In article , David O'H . wrote:

We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his front
paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to me that the dog
doesn't like some of the sounds he hears.

Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he tends to
lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind the kick drum. I
suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the dog, so he stays nearby.

What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any ideas?
Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks around
who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here.

hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why not
one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and a
plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little engineering
you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have
it double for shipping instruments around too.

I can't imagine dogs would accept earplugs, but a vet might know. I'm sure
you could get earmolds done for dogs but I'm not sure the dog would let you
use them.
--scott

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
In article , David O'H . wrote:

What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any
ideas?
Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks
around
who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here.

hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why
not
one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and
a
plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little
engineering
you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably
have
it double for shipping instruments around too.

I was thinking something along similar lines, but simply using a dog
crate - the kind they use to transport dogs in - they have solid sides up
to about 3/4 of the way up & then they're vented with a metal cagelike
grid, and the door is a metal grid, as well. You've probably seen 'em, yes?
You can get one for less than $100 at Petsmart, or similar places, in a
size appropirate for that breed; and if you get one the next size up from
that which would be recommended for that size dog, then you'd have room to
line it with some kind of sound-insulating material & still give him room
to move around/stand up/lay with his head near the back instead of the
open front (which is what the poor ******* would probably do if he had the
chance). Even one of those without any insulation/padding would cut the
noise level drastically for him. This way he could still be near his owner
& not go deaf.

Blind guy/deaf guide dog... not a great combination.

Man, that's one loyal dog - I feel bad for him.
--


Neil Henderson
Progressive Rock
http://www.saqqararecords.com

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
In article , David O'H . wrote:

What can we do for hearing protection for the dog? Has anyone any
ideas?
Google wasn't much help; I figure that if there's a bunch of folks
around
who could answer this peculiar question, it'd be the folks here.

hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go around a drum set. Why
not
one that goes around the dog? Or a little doghouse with foam inside and
a
plexiglass door that the dog can open and close? With a little
engineering
you could probably make something out of a big Anvil case and probably
have
it double for shipping instruments around too.

I was thinking something along similar lines, but simply using a dog
crate - the kind they use to transport dogs in - they have solid sides up
to about 3/4 of the way up & then they're vented with a metal cagelike
grid, and the door is a metal grid, as well. You've probably seen 'em, yes?
You can get one for less than $100 at Petsmart, or similar places, in a
size appropirate for that breed; and if you get one the next size up from
that which would be recommended for that size dog, then you'd have room to
line it with some kind of sound-insulating material & still give him room
to move around/stand up/lay with his head near the back instead of the
open front (which is what the poor ******* would probably do if he had the
chance). Even one of those without any insulation/padding would cut the
noise level drastically for him. This way he could still be near his owner
& not go deaf.

Blind guy/deaf guide dog... not a great combination.

Man, that's one loyal dog - I feel bad for him.
--


Neil Henderson
Progressive Rock
http://www.saqqararecords.com

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On 2004-05-13 (ScottDorsey) said:
We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his
front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to
me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears.
Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he
tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind
the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the
dog, so he stays nearby.
snip
hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go
around a drum set. Why not one that goes around the dog? Or a
little doghouse with foam inside and a plexiglass door that the dog
can open and close? With a little engineering you could probably
make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have it double
for shipping instruments around too. I can't imagine dogs would
accept earplugs, but a vet might know. I'm sure you could get
earmolds done for dogs but I'm not sure the dog would let you use
them. --scott
I don't think anybody's done it.

NOw here it's a matter of philosophy, but when I was a young man
people kept telling me I should get a dog guide. I like dogs, but
they've been guard animals instead of guide animals. One of the
reasons I chose not to use a dog for a travel aide was my choice to
play and record music. First the hours can be long. Pooch needs time
to get out of that harness and relax, and if he's in harness he's
working. THat means that he's not to accept candy or treats from
strangers, he's supposed to be where I reach down grab the harness and
say let's go.

My white cane otoh doesn't require feeding, it stands in a corner or
if I choose one of the collapsible varieties stashes in toolbox or
drawer. DOgs are nice, I love them and have had some good ones,
however theyr'e not compatible with life on a bandstand imho.

I suggest your drummer associate choose a white cane for his outings
to play the drums or devise a way to protect his dog's hearing. THe
dog gets as many cues from his environment which enable him to move
about safely with his ears as does the blind man. YEs Virginia, the
dog can't tell what color the ****ing light is, he's color blind! HIs
nose and his ears give him many of the cues he needs about his
immediate environment.

I've asked other blind performers the same question btw. I've found
it strange that people will do that to the animals that give them
mobility and are their partners. Unless my dog was used to staying
in the band trailer or truck I'd leave it home were I your associate.

A guy I used to know in sOuth Dakota had his dog with him. HE played
acoustic guitar with some kind of pickup. HIs dog used to wander
around the club cadging munchies from regular customers while his band
did a set at this club where I met him.

Once again SCcot has the other good solution. Build it a cage it can
leave easily enough, that is if he insists he has to use the dog.
Not saying leave the dog home always, just when he goes to play music.






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Electric Spider Productions
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On 2004-05-13 (ScottDorsey) said:
We've noticed, and commented, that the dog has on occasion put his
front paws over his ears while music is playing. This suggests to
me that the dog doesn't like some of the sounds he hears.
Of course the dog is trained to stay right near his human, so he
tends to lie on the floor behind the drum throne, and thus behind
the kick drum. I suspect that loyalty trumps discomfort in the
dog, so he stays nearby.
snip
hmm... you see plexiglas isolation boxes that go
around a drum set. Why not one that goes around the dog? Or a
little doghouse with foam inside and a plexiglass door that the dog
can open and close? With a little engineering you could probably
make something out of a big Anvil case and probably have it double
for shipping instruments around too. I can't imagine dogs would
accept earplugs, but a vet might know. I'm sure you could get
earmolds done for dogs but I'm not sure the dog would let you use
them. --scott
I don't think anybody's done it.

NOw here it's a matter of philosophy, but when I was a young man
people kept telling me I should get a dog guide. I like dogs, but
they've been guard animals instead of guide animals. One of the
reasons I chose not to use a dog for a travel aide was my choice to
play and record music. First the hours can be long. Pooch needs time
to get out of that harness and relax, and if he's in harness he's
working. THat means that he's not to accept candy or treats from
strangers, he's supposed to be where I reach down grab the harness and
say let's go.

My white cane otoh doesn't require feeding, it stands in a corner or
if I choose one of the collapsible varieties stashes in toolbox or
drawer. DOgs are nice, I love them and have had some good ones,
however theyr'e not compatible with life on a bandstand imho.

I suggest your drummer associate choose a white cane for his outings
to play the drums or devise a way to protect his dog's hearing. THe
dog gets as many cues from his environment which enable him to move
about safely with his ears as does the blind man. YEs Virginia, the
dog can't tell what color the ****ing light is, he's color blind! HIs
nose and his ears give him many of the cues he needs about his
immediate environment.

I've asked other blind performers the same question btw. I've found
it strange that people will do that to the animals that give them
mobility and are their partners. Unless my dog was used to staying
in the band trailer or truck I'd leave it home were I your associate.

A guy I used to know in sOuth Dakota had his dog with him. HE played
acoustic guitar with some kind of pickup. HIs dog used to wander
around the club cadging munchies from regular customers while his band
did a set at this club where I met him.

Once again SCcot has the other good solution. Build it a cage it can
leave easily enough, that is if he insists he has to use the dog.
Not saying leave the dog home always, just when he goes to play music.






Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
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