In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

BTW the B & W 802s are Musical ****.

Well, if you think all cds sound bad, then their reputation as classical
music monitors isn't a plus!

I listened to the first mvmt of the Koncertstucke and I think the re-eq
is sincere. The solo horns probably sound more like what it's like to be
near real horns (really near!) than the raw tape, but at the cost of
integrity in a recording that didn't have much to spare.

Losing the high end to eliminate tape hiss is a nose-spite-face deal.
How does it help harmonic balance to eliminate those higher partials?

Stephen

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:41:55 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

BTW the B & W 802s are Musical ****.

Well, if you think all cds sound bad, then their reputation as classical
music monitors isn't a plus!

I listened to the first mvmt of the Koncertstucke and I think the re-eq
is sincere. The solo horns probably sound more like what it's like to be
near real horns (really near!) than the raw tape, but at the cost of
integrity in a recording that didn't have much to spare.

Losing the high end to eliminate tape hiss is a nose-spite-face deal.
How does it help harmonic balance to eliminate those higher partials?

Stephen

I only eliminated the partials that were boosted by the guy who
mastered the 3 3/4 open reel

Abbedd

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:41:55 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

BTW the B & W 802s are Musical ****.

Well, if you think all cds sound bad, then their reputation as classical
music monitors isn't a plus!

I listened to the first mvmt of the Koncertstucke and I think the re-eq
is sincere. The solo horns probably sound more like what it's like to be
near real horns (really near!) than the raw tape, but at the cost of
integrity in a recording that didn't have much to spare.

Losing the high end to eliminate tape hiss is a nose-spite-face deal.
How does it help harmonic balance to eliminate those higher partials?

I only eliminated the partials that were boosted by the guy who
mastered the 3 3/4 open reel

Well, the shoe's on the other foot now. How do *you* know what the
source material really was?

Stephen

"MINe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:41:55 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

BTW the B & W 802s are Musical ****.

Well, if you think all cds sound bad, then their reputation as
classical
music monitors isn't a plus!

I listened to the first mvmt of the Koncertstucke and I think the re-eq
is sincere. The solo horns probably sound more like what it's like to
be
near real horns (really near!) than the raw tape, but at the cost of
integrity in a recording that didn't have much to spare.

Losing the high end to eliminate tape hiss is a nose-spite-face deal.
How does it help harmonic balance to eliminate those higher partials?

I only eliminated the partials that were boosted by the guy who
mastered the 3 3/4 open reel

Well, the shoe's on the other foot now. How do *you* know what the
source material really was?

Stephen

Mastering is making the original session recording into a production piece.
It is NOT copying a high speed duplicated consumer tape onto a computer....
This is just about as far from the source material as you can get
Not only that, the copy tape is probably 20 years old or better, probably
not correctly stored, and sourced on a consumer reel machine.
The LP version would probably give you a hint of what this thing is supposed
to sound like...
And it's probably available on CD anyway
I think this guy needs to get a CD player, a decent amp and a pair of
speakers, Energy Veritas, Infinity Intermezzo, Martin Logan Statement,
Monitor Audio Silver, Paradigm Monitor 90, Polk RT5000, PSB Stratus all come
to mind actually. Any one would blow those bozaks into the basement
ratskeller.... and you can get em all used.... oh I forgot Vandersteen 3A

Carl



Carl

In article ,
"Carl Valle" wrote:

I think this guy needs to get a CD player, a decent amp and a pair of
speakers, Energy Veritas, Infinity Intermezzo, Martin Logan Statement,
Monitor Audio Silver, Paradigm Monitor 90, Polk RT5000, PSB Stratus all come
to mind actually. Any one would blow those bozaks into the basement
ratskeller.... and you can get em all used.... oh I forgot Vandersteen 3A

But then his eq's files wouldn't sound good anymore! :-)

Remember, everyone, he's not here for equipment recommendations. He
wants to be told his Fisher/Bozak is good enough to support his
arguments about recorded sound quality.

Stephen

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:05:23 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:41:55 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

BTW the B & W 802s are Musical ****.

Well, if you think all cds sound bad, then their reputation as classical
music monitors isn't a plus!

I listened to the first mvmt of the Koncertstucke and I think the re-eq
is sincere. The solo horns probably sound more like what it's like to be
near real horns (really near!) than the raw tape, but at the cost of
integrity in a recording that didn't have much to spare.

Losing the high end to eliminate tape hiss is a nose-spite-face deal.
How does it help harmonic balance to eliminate those higher partials?

I only eliminated the partials that were boosted by the guy who
mastered the 3 3/4 open reel

Well, the shoe's on the other foot now. How do *you* know what the
source material really was?

Stephen

Because I know what instruments sound like and the capabilities of
mics and tape decks. If record companies presented flat recordings
there would be a revolt. Look at thre **** I am gettting. It is
unfortunate that by coincidence my mp3s of the week featured poor
sources.

Believe me, whatever "Music" was on that open reel, I found it.


Abbedd

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:05:23 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:41:55 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

BTW the B & W 802s are Musical ****.

Well, if you think all cds sound bad, then their reputation as classical
music monitors isn't a plus!

I listened to the first mvmt of the Koncertstucke and I think the re-eq
is sincere. The solo horns probably sound more like what it's like to be
near real horns (really near!) than the raw tape, but at the cost of
integrity in a recording that didn't have much to spare.

Losing the high end to eliminate tape hiss is a nose-spite-face deal.
How does it help harmonic balance to eliminate those higher partials?

I only eliminated the partials that were boosted by the guy who
mastered the 3 3/4 open reel

Well, the shoe's on the other foot now. How do *you* know what the
source material really was?

Stephen

Because I know what instruments sound like and the capabilities of
mics and tape decks. If record companies presented flat recordings
there would be a revolt. Look at thre **** I am gettting. It is
unfortunate that by coincidence my mp3s of the week featured poor
sources.

Some folks around here might prefer fidelity to the recording rather
than hear someone else's view of what it should have sounded like. We're
the ones who own those nutty preamps with no tone controls: Pearl vs
Dutton.

Believe me, whatever "Music" was on that open reel, I found it.

How about a short sample of the original for comparison?

Stephen

"ansermetniac" wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:05:23 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:41:55 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

In article ,
ansermetniac wrote:

BTW the B & W 802s are Musical ****.

Well, if you think all cds sound bad, then their reputation as
classical
music monitors isn't a plus!

I listened to the first mvmt of the Koncertstucke and I think the re-eq
is sincere. The solo horns probably sound more like what it's like to
be
near real horns (really near!) than the raw tape, but at the cost of
integrity in a recording that didn't have much to spare.

Losing the high end to eliminate tape hiss is a nose-spite-face deal.
How does it help harmonic balance to eliminate those higher partials?

I only eliminated the partials that were boosted by the guy who
mastered the 3 3/4 open reel

Well, the shoe's on the other foot now. How do *you* know what the
source material really was?

Stephen

Because I know what instruments sound like

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Obviously not!

and the capabilities of
mics and tape decks.

You haven't got a clue. That mp.3 destroyed you for good.

If record companies presented flat recordings
there would be a revolt.

Not many people use obsolete equipment like yours anymore. Have you checked
whether there's any foam left in your driver surrounds? It probably rotted
away 10 years ago and that would explain your horrible "mix".

Look at thre **** I am gettting.

BAAAHHH! Poor little baby. Comes here looking for support but decides to
disguise it as "need opinions please" hoping that the link to his website
will convince everyone of his status as a major player in the biz and
consequently give an automatic heads up. Too bad houses built of hair don't
hold up in the wind.

That other guy was right on the money. You're an incompetent charlatan with
substandard equipment.

It is
unfortunate that by coincidence my mp3s of the week featured poor
sources.

It is not coincidence, you dunce. You "re-engineered" it. You claimed it was
something "better" when in fact it is laughably bad compared to anything
besides SW radio. You are clearly incompetent and people recognize it. If I
was that boss of yours, I'd kick the crap outta you for unveiling the
company skeletons that have resided in the closet since the get-go. Surely
your bosses little mouthpiece operation needs a better mouthpiece than you.


Believe me, whatever "Music" was on that open reel, I found it.


I agree. You found it and ****ed it up.

I think that your entire mouthpiece operation must be what people call
"snakeoil" and "flooby dust" in these circles.

Cheers,

Margaret

"ansermetniac" wrote in message
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I only eliminated the partials that were boosted by the guy who
mastered the 3 3/4 open reel



Abbedd,

I think you basically said it all right there...
There is simply no way a 3.75ips tape can even be called a 'master'
what was on that tape was all you had and then you filtered some out
you have something less than a consumer mass produced tape now...
Not only that, but the wow and flutter of your copy is simply awful
either the tape is bad or you have a bad deck. It is very difficult to get
past that defect.

The idea of re-mastering, which is actually what you did, even from a bad
original, is to preserve everything that is there. Then you can apply some
equalization at playback, maybe some filtering to cut hiss...
Your Mp3 file certainly is worse sounding than most nonesuch tapes I have.

The idea of criticizing, broad band, CD recordings, SS amps, and BW's to me
makes absolutely no sense. Perhaps you think they are overkill, but
certainly I can make my (or anybody else's for that matter) system sound
just as bad as your file by squashing the dynamics with a Behringer and
setting my equalizer to a bell curve. I cannot as easily reproduce your wow
and flutter however because my tape decks are all direct drive...

I listened to only the first of the Mp3 on a extigy usb and a pair of tried
and true koss phones. Your other files may sound better. I feel that you
need to re-think what you are doing and back off a bit on your editorial
opinions on the state of the art. I agree with most of the other posters on
here that your equipment may be leading you astray. Perhaps you should go
out and listen to something a little better.

Carl