In article writes:

Does any one in the band run a business? Try asking a constuction
company owner in the band to put an addtion on your house, or paint your
apt for free.

Certainly reasonable, if that's where the band rehearses.

Ask the restraunt owner to feed you and your family for
free for a couple months.

Well, maybe not your family, but feed the band after every gig, and
provide food for the recording sessions.

It's just as rediculous as using your studio for nothing.

Of course. I was just kidding.

What if a multi track goes down mid session? Your gonna need, $200-600
just to get it back up and running (I just paid $650 to get mine back up
and running). Who's gonna pay for that? If they are not paying you, how
can you pay for it?

That's a little different. If someone in the band dumped a coke into
the multitrack, it would be reasonable to expect them to pay for the
repair. But given that this is a working studio, equipment fails and
it can fail at any time. You don't use the money you get from one
session to pay for what breaks during that session, you get enough
money from EVERY session so that you have a fund to pay for
maintenance when you need it. It's like paying every month for your
health insurance. But if you do a session at no cost, you don't have
that session's contribution to your maintenance fund.

I still think the best approach for this band is to go to another
studio. It's hard to play your best when you're recording, and even
harder if you're the recording engineer. The most important thing
about recording is to give a top flight performance. I don't think it
would be difficult for the original poster to convince the band that
they'd get a better recording if he could concentrate on making music
rather than technical details (and how he's going to feed his family
that week because he wasn't getting any income from the studio).



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(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1069768399k@trad...
In article writes:

I still think the best approach for this band is to go to another
studio. It's hard to play your best when you're recording, and even
harder if you're the recording engineer. The most important thing
about recording is to give a top flight performance. I don't think it
would be difficult for the original poster to convince the band that
they'd get a better recording if he could concentrate on making music
rather than technical details (and how he's going to feed his family
that week because he wasn't getting any income from the studio).

He wouldn't get income for the week that he is recording in another
studio either. If the band records in his studio, then he is the only
guy who gets paid that week. Also, I'd be interested in what %age
booked his studio is. If he isn't turning away customers, then it
wouldn't cost him that much to bring the band in. Without knowing the
individual, we don't know whether he does a session a week or a works
12 hour days in the studio. Is this a PC with Cubase or a functional
studio with rent to pay? Is his hourly rate a market rate at which he
is booked to capacity or something that he wishes was his hourly rate?

Which is not to say that he shouldn't get paid something. There is
rent, utilities, amortization of equipment, cost of media. But if
no-one else is getting paid for that week and they're making
sacrifices then why shouldn't he? I would regard the fair amount as
the hourly cost of the studio less the hourly cost of his labor,
because everyone else is not making their labor costs for this period
as well.

I wouldn't charge my own band for this if I was in his position,
because anyone can see that this is going to cause a problem. The
correct solution is, as Mike says, to do it somewhere else. Doing it
this way is going to lead to both sides feeling ripped off.
Compartmentalize your life. Be one of those annoying musicians who
goes to someone else's studio and offers continual friendly advice on
how the engineer should be doing his job.

He wouldn't get income for the week that he is recording in another
studio either.

He won't have to be there to engineer all the tracking, mixing,
editing,,etc..etc.

If the band records in his studio, then he is the only
guy who gets paid that week.

And he is the only guy using the studio to make a living. That's like driving
your band around in your cab for nothing.



Is this a PC with Cubase or a functional
studio with rent to pay?

Not necessarily mutually exclusive

.. I would regard the fair amount as
the hourly cost of the studio less the hourly cost of his labor,
because everyone else is not making their labor costs for this period

I agree on his labor but did he say the other band members get paid for
recording otherwise? They may have to take time off from work which may be
figured in.


Be one of those annoying musicians who
goes to someone else's studio and offers continual friendly advice on
how the engineer should be doing his job.

You know how we all love that!!!!




John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

In article writes:

He wouldn't get income for the week that he is recording in another
studio either.

True, if the band was in the studio full time, but if they recorded 3
hours a day, he could book four hours in his own studio and he
wouldn't have his band hanging around wanting to hear the playbacks
and do another overdub and go out for a pizza. It's easier to handle
business when you're not among friends.



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they call me frenchy wrote:
Where do I go from here? Even if it is too late for this session, how
do I handle such situations in the future? Am I morally inept? Do we
need a business mediator/consultant?

Personally, I prefer not to record the band I'm in at all, because
that way I get the pressure of being in the band, performance
pressure and engineering/mixing pressure all at once. It builds up
and it can get really stressful, especially if the rest of the band
don't undertand to appreaciate my efforts.

But whenever I do, I do it for free with a rule that I make sure
is strictly obeyed: Paying customers get priority. Our current
demo has been in the works for 2 years now, I think.....

Timo

I was once asked this question?
Is this a band or a herd?
Might be time to Mooooove **** around.
Tom





"Timo Haanpää" wrote in message
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they call me frenchy wrote:
Where do I go from here? Even if it is too late for this session, how
do I handle such situations in the future? Am I morally inept? Do we
need a business mediator/consultant?

Personally, I prefer not to record the band I'm in at all, because
that way I get the pressure of being in the band, performance
pressure and engineering/mixing pressure all at once. It builds up
and it can get really stressful, especially if the rest of the band
don't undertand to appreaciate my efforts.

But whenever I do, I do it for free with a rule that I make sure
is strictly obeyed: Paying customers get priority. Our current
demo has been in the works for 2 years now, I think.....

Timo