[someone[_2_]]

Anyone have experience to share in regard to fitting a Delta 44 sound card into a new pc?

I@m in need of a pc update and the one I have in mind only has a pci express slot. So I need a pci express to pci adapter.

I asked Startech's advice and was told that because the Delta 44 is a full height card the only solution is a PCI expansion enclosure. \'a3200+ to fit a sound card!

Startech do an adapter (PEX1PCI1) which according the feedback on Amazon will work - in a clunky sort of way.

My thoughts: Can't I use the above adapter in the pic express slot, fit the Delta into the pc in the usual way and connect the two with a ribbon cable?

Along the same lines, can't I simply use a pci express to pci cable adapter, e.g. Ablytech pciex 1 to pci adapter?

Plug that into the pci express slot and the other end into the Delta?

Many thanks - Chris

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/1/2015 10:29 AM, someone wrote:
Anyone have experience to share in regard to fitting a Delta 44 sound card into a new pc?

I have lots of old hardware, and my solution has been to not buy new
PCs. Newer PCs, yes, but old enough to accommodate the hardware that I
want to use. Or replace the Delta 44 with a new interface that connects
via USB. That's not hard to do with today's choices, and you might even
get improved sound along with it.

But I understand. I hate to spend money in order to use something that
I've already spent money on. I get 3-4 year old Dells at the local used
computer store for $150-200, and usually need to put a larger hard drive
and more memory in them, but I then know just what I have.

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[Phil W]

"someone":

Anyone have experience to share in regard to fitting a Delta 44 sound card
into a new pc?

I@m in need of a pc update and the one I have in mind only has a pci
express slot. So I need a pci express to pci adapter.

What PC brand/model is it? When looking at mainboards (for people, who put
together their own choice of modules), there are still many with at least 1
PCI slot for older cards.

In short my (general) advice: get a mainboard from "Gigabyte", that fits
your needs, add the rest and put the stuff into to old PC´s case.
It´s probably cheaper and definitely better than any "complete PC" out
there.

Phil

[Tobiah]

In short my (general) advice: get a mainboard from "Gigabyte", that
fits your needs, add the rest and put the stuff into to old PC´s
case. It´s probably cheaper and definitely better than any "complete
PC" out there.

I agree. I normally build my own PC, but a while back I got a great
deal on a refurbished HP. I regretted it though. There was only enough
space for the stuff that the computer came with, and it was difficult
to work on, and the motherboard would not accept everything I wanted
to expand it with.

Best go to newegg.com and get a MB/CPU/Mem package and stuff it in
your old case. You can probably still get an old PCI slot on one.

I used to go to Fry's here in California, but I caught on that every
one of their motherboards had some subtle defect. For instance, one
of them had a network interface that would die after a reboot. I had
to power off the switch in the back for 10 seconds or so (after which
I would hear a sound that sounded like a capacitor discharging if that
made a sound) then the network would come up fine.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Phil W wrote:
"someone":

Anyone have experience to share in regard to fitting a Delta 44 sound
card into a new pc?

I@m in need of a pc update and the one I have in mind only has a pci
express slot. So I need a pci express to pci adapter.

What PC brand/model is it? When looking at mainboards (for people, who
put together their own choice of modules), there are still many with at
least 1 PCI slot for older cards.

In short my (general) advice: get a mainboard from "Gigabyte", that fits
your needs, add the rest and put the stuff into to old PC´s case.
It´s probably cheaper and definitely better than any "complete PC" out
there.

Phil


The last PC I bought, I found the motherboard I wanted, then found a
box store version of it so I didn't have to buy the O/S.

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[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Tobiah wrote:
In short my (general) advice: get a mainboard from "Gigabyte", that
fits your needs, add the rest and put the stuff into to old PC´s
case. It´s probably cheaper and definitely better than any "complete
PC" out there.

I agree. I normally build my own PC, but a while back I got a great
deal on a refurbished HP. I regretted it though. There was only enough
space for the stuff that the computer came with, and it was difficult
to work on, and the motherboard would not accept everything I wanted
to expand it with.

Best go to newegg.com and get a MB/CPU/Mem package and stuff it in
your old case. You can probably still get an old PCI slot on one.


You can.

I used to go to Fry's here in California, but I caught on that every
one of their motherboards had some subtle defect. For instance, one
of them had a network interface that would die after a reboot. I had
to power off the switch in the back for 10 seconds or so (after which
I would hear a sound that sounded like a capacitor discharging if that
made a sound) then the network would come up fine.



--
Les Cargill

[Chuck[_12_]]

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 23:07:24 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote:

Phil W wrote:
"someone":

Anyone have experience to share in regard to fitting a Delta 44 sound
card into a new pc?

I@m in need of a pc update and the one I have in mind only has a pci
express slot. So I need a pci express to pci adapter.

What PC brand/model is it? When looking at mainboards (for people, who
put together their own choice of modules), there are still many with at
least 1 PCI slot for older cards.

In short my (general) advice: get a mainboard from "Gigabyte", that fits
your needs, add the rest and put the stuff into to old PC´s case.
It´s probably cheaper and definitely better than any "complete PC" out
there.

Phil


The last PC I bought, I found the motherboard I wanted, then found a
box store version of it so I didn't have to buy the O/S.


Just a heads up. The new Dell Optiplex desktop computers come with a
power supply that only puts out 12 volts. Any video card replacement
is pretty much impossible because of the low wattage of the power
supply and the capacity of the voltage regulators on the motherboard.

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[Neil[_9_]]

On 9/2/2015 12:23 PM, Chuck wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 23:07:24 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote:

Phil W wrote:
"someone":

Anyone have experience to share in regard to fitting a Delta 44 sound
card into a new pc?

I@m in need of a pc update and the one I have in mind only has a pci
express slot. So I need a pci express to pci adapter.

What PC brand/model is it? When looking at mainboards (for people, who
put together their own choice of modules), there are still many with at
least 1 PCI slot for older cards.

In short my (general) advice: get a mainboard from "Gigabyte", that fits
your needs, add the rest and put the stuff into to old PC´s case.
It´s probably cheaper and definitely better than any "complete PC" out
there.

Phil


The last PC I bought, I found the motherboard I wanted, then found a
box store version of it so I didn't have to buy the O/S.


Just a heads up. The new Dell Optiplex desktop computers come with a
power supply that only puts out 12 volts. Any video card replacement
is pretty much impossible because of the low wattage of the power
supply and the capacity of the voltage regulators on the motherboard.

A new computer chassis with a power supply that has leads compatible
with newer motherboards is a well under $100US (I've seldom paid more
than half that). It's a pretty cheap investment that can save one a lot
of time.

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Neil

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/2/2015 12:23 PM, Chuck wrote: (I think, don't get sore if it was someone else)
Just a heads up. The new Dell Optiplex desktop computers come with a
power supply that only puts out 12 volts. Any video card replacement
is pretty much impossible because of the low wattage of the power
supply and the capacity of the voltage regulators on the motherboard.

On 9/2/2015 3:39 PM, Neil wrote:
A new computer chassis with a power supply that has leads compatible
with newer motherboards is a well under $100US (I've seldom paid more
than half that). It's a pretty cheap investment that can save one a lot
of time.

At least the way my generation of Dells is constructed, it would be very
difficult to transplant another mother board of power supply into the
case, or transplant the Dell guts into a more standard case. This is why
I suggest getting a computer that's 2-4 years old, or, as others have
advised, get parts and assemble them. But some people just aren't
inclined to do that, and that's OK. It's why there's Dell and Apple and
lots of other off-the-shelf computers.

I buy my old computers from a used computer shop that's a licensed
Microsoft refurbisher. They come with Windows installed (some now with
Win7) with a practically bloat-free installation, and most important, a
warranty. Or for less money, you can install your own system if you have
an installer that will let you validate it on a new computer.




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[JackA]

On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:45:21 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/2/2015 12:23 PM, Chuck wrote: (I think, don't get sore if it was someone else)
Just a heads up. The new Dell Optiplex desktop computers come with a
power supply that only puts out 12 volts. Any video card replacement
is pretty much impossible because of the low wattage of the power
supply and the capacity of the voltage regulators on the motherboard.

On 9/2/2015 3:39 PM, Neil wrote:
A new computer chassis with a power supply that has leads compatible
with newer motherboards is a well under $100US (I've seldom paid more
than half that). It's a pretty cheap investment that can save one a lot
of time.

At least the way my generation of Dells is constructed, it would be very
difficult to transplant another mother board of power supply into the
case, or transplant the Dell guts into a more standard case. This is why
I suggest getting a computer that's 2-4 years old, or, as others have
advised, get parts and assemble them. But some people just aren't
inclined to do that, and that's OK. It's why there's Dell and Apple and
lots of other off-the-shelf computers.

I buy my old computers from a used computer shop that's a licensed
Microsoft refurbisher. They come with Windows installed (some now with
Win7) with a practically bloat-free installation, and most important, a
warranty. Or for less money, you can install your own system if you have
an installer that will let you validate it on a new computer.

I'm sticking with XP (at least on old Acer laptop), feel it's M$'s last decent OS. I don't need NSA M$ modifying its Windows Explorer with worthless garbage and I don't enjoy as it snoops and disallows you to put files wherever you wish. Maybe OS's of today are for brain-dead people. I bring home my USB sticks from work (w/ MP3s), and images are mixed in with music (Win 7).. Assume Media Player spies and downloads an appropriate (CD) image, that is often incorrect.

Ah, well. Dell is okay, never had any major quality issues with their equipment.

Jack




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[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Mike Rivers wrote:
At least the way my generation of Dells is constructed, it would be very
difficult to transplant another mother board of power supply into the
case, or transplant the Dell guts into a more standard case. This is why
I suggest getting a computer that's 2-4 years old, or, as others have
advised, get parts and assemble them. But some people just aren't
inclined to do that, and that's OK. It's why there's Dell and Apple and
lots of other off-the-shelf computers.

For the most part, you can swap motherboards and power supplies with
impunity because they are standardized. The ONE manufacturer that
perpetually makes nonstandard size power supplies and motherboards is
Dell.

People that intend on keeping systems for a long time and who intend on
doing upgrades in place, therefore, avoid Dell like the plague.
--scott
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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/2/2015 7:26 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
For the most part, you can swap motherboards and power supplies with
impunity because they are standardized. The ONE manufacturer that
perpetually makes nonstandard size power supplies and motherboards is
Dell.

People that intend on keeping systems for a long time and who intend on
doing upgrades in place, therefore, avoid Dell like the plague.

I figure that if I'm going to replace a motherboard, I might as well
replace the computer, because there are always other things that may
need to go along with it like new memory, and new drivers. The power
supply is another thing, though and Dell power supplies are indeed
non-standard. There are a lot of plastic nozzles and chimneys designed
to keep things cool that aren't a good mechanical match for anything else.

I did have a motherboard go bad on a Dell, but I had the computer for 12
years (it was powered on full time for most of that period) and it was a
few years old when I got it. Leaky electrolytic capacitors. Just not
worth repairing, but not impossible.

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[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Chuck wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 23:07:24 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote:

Phil W wrote:
"someone":

Anyone have experience to share in regard to fitting a Delta 44 sound
card into a new pc?

I@m in need of a pc update and the one I have in mind only has a pci
express slot. So I need a pci express to pci adapter.

What PC brand/model is it? When looking at mainboards (for people, who
put together their own choice of modules), there are still many with at
least 1 PCI slot for older cards.

In short my (general) advice: get a mainboard from "Gigabyte", that fits
your needs, add the rest and put the stuff into to old PC´s case.
It´s probably cheaper and definitely better than any "complete PC" out
there.

Phil


The last PC I bought, I found the motherboard I wanted, then found a
box store version of it so I didn't have to buy the O/S.


Just a heads up. The new Dell Optiplex desktop computers come with a
power supply that only puts out 12 volts. Any video card replacement
is pretty much impossible because of the low wattage of the power
supply and the capacity of the voltage regulators on the motherboard.

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I would never buy anything from Dell.

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[Scott Dorsey]

Les Cargill wrote:
Chuck wrote:

Just a heads up. The new Dell Optiplex desktop computers come with a
power supply that only puts out 12 volts. Any video card replacement
is pretty much impossible because of the low wattage of the power
supply and the capacity of the voltage regulators on the motherboard.

I would never buy anything from Dell.

There are things I would buy from Dell, but the Optiplexes are designed
to be the absolute cheapest machines possible, for applications like point
of sale terminals. They're not intended for engineering workstations.
--scott
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[geoff]

On 3/09/2015 1:58 p.m., Les Cargill wrote:

I would never buy anything from Dell.



I did. They make some fantastic laptop workstations.

i7, real video adaptor, IPS display, USB 2 and 3, Firewire, eSata, etc,
etc, etc. All-metal too !

geoff

[Trevor]

On 3/09/2015 9:26 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
For the most part, you can swap motherboards and power supplies with
impunity because they are standardized. The ONE manufacturer that
perpetually makes nonstandard size power supplies and motherboards is
Dell.

Dell certainly does, but so do Lenovo, HP/Compaq and many others on at
least some of their models.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 3/09/2015 11:58 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
I would never buy anything from Dell.

I like Dell monitors. Have 2 I am happy with.

Trevor.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/2/2015 9:58 PM, Les Cargill wrote:

I would never buy anything from Dell.

I would never buy anything from Starbucks. So what?



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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/2/2015 10:47 PM, geoff wrote:
On 3/09/2015 1:58 p.m., Les Cargill wrote:
I would never buy anything from Dell.


I did. They make some fantastic laptop workstations.

i7, real video adaptor, IPS display, USB 2 and 3, Firewire, eSata, etc,
etc, etc. All-metal too !

Gee, that must be an older one. I haven't seen Firewire on any
over-the-counter computer, particularly a laptop, in at least three
years. Where can I get one like that?

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[Chuck[_12_]]

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 20:55:25 -0400, Mike Rivers
wrote:

On 9/2/2015 7:26 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
For the most part, you can swap motherboards and power supplies with
impunity because they are standardized. The ONE manufacturer that
perpetually makes nonstandard size power supplies and motherboards is
Dell.

People that intend on keeping systems for a long time and who intend on
doing upgrades in place, therefore, avoid Dell like the plague.

I figure that if I'm going to replace a motherboard, I might as well
replace the computer, because there are always other things that may
need to go along with it like new memory, and new drivers. The power
supply is another thing, though and Dell power supplies are indeed
non-standard. There are a lot of plastic nozzles and chimneys designed
to keep things cool that aren't a good mechanical match for anything else.

I did have a motherboard go bad on a Dell, but I had the computer for 12
years (it was powered on full time for most of that period) and it was a
few years old when I got it. Leaky electrolytic capacitors. Just not
worth repairing, but not impossible.
The Optiplex 9020 that I use at work had the new 12V only power supply
die after 1 month of use. The supply weighs about 1 and a half
pounds.

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/3/2015 10:17 AM, Chuck wrote:
The Optiplex 9020 that I use at work had the new 12V only power supply
die after 1 month of use. The supply weighs about 1 and a half
pounds.

Was it replaced? Did the replacement die after 1 month also?

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[Neil[_9_]]

On 9/2/2015 4:45 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/2/2015 3:39 PM, Neil wrote:
A new computer chassis with a power supply that has leads compatible
with newer motherboards is a well under $100US (I've seldom paid more
than half that). It's a pretty cheap investment that can save one a lot
of time.

At least the way my generation of Dells is constructed, it would be very
difficult to transplant another mother board of power supply into the
case, or transplant the Dell guts into a more standard case. This is why
I suggest getting a computer that's 2-4 years old, or, as others have
advised, get parts and assemble them. But some people just aren't
inclined to do that, and that's OK. It's why there's Dell and Apple and
lots of other off-the-shelf computers.

I still would recommend using a new, generic chassis with power supply
because it less than a used computer and eliminates most of the
connector compatibility issues. If someone is savvy enough to retrofit a
new motherboard into a dated brand chassis, a generic chassis is a lot
easier and likely to be reliable for a longer period of time.

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[geoff]

On 3/09/2015 11:01 p.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/2/2015 10:47 PM, geoff wrote:
On 3/09/2015 1:58 p.m., Les Cargill wrote:
I would never buy anything from Dell.


I did. They make some fantastic laptop workstations.

i7, real video adaptor, IPS display, USB 2 and 3, Firewire, eSata, etc,
etc, etc. All-metal too !

Gee, that must be an older one. I haven't seen Firewire on any
over-the-counter computer, particularly a laptop, in at least three
years. Where can I get one like that?


Many variations available. Here's one :
http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-precision-m4600/

Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Precision

Can be found new or used on eBay, etc.

geoff

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/3/2015 5:53 PM, geoff wrote:
On 3/09/2015 11:01 p.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
Gee, that must be an older one. I haven't seen Firewire on any
over-the-counter computer, particularly a laptop, in at least three
years.

Many variations available. Here's one :
http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-precision-m4600/

That model was released in 2011. Like I said:

1. It must be at least 3 years old and
2. I usually buy old computers

Honestly, I feel a little guilty about not assembling my own custom
computer, but motherboards and CPUs (and their associated memory) change
a few times a year. As someone who gets a computer every few years,
there's a lot of learning what's what required for a one-off buy. None
of my applications require cutting edge hardware. and buying one that
just works without having to buy and install an operating system and
chase down drivers.

And, besides, if it's a laptop that you want, build-it-yourself isn't
really an option, or it's a very limited one.

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[geoff]

On 4/09/2015 12:53 p.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/3/2015 5:53 PM, geoff wrote:
On 3/09/2015 11:01 p.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
Gee, that must be an older one. I haven't seen Firewire on any
over-the-counter computer, particularly a laptop, in at least three
years.

Many variations available. Here's one :
http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-precision-m4600/

That model was released in 2011. Like I said:

1. It must be at least 3 years old

Just like me !


Some models 2013 vintage. No huge advances CPU or D-RAM-wise in the last
few years it would seem.

geoff

[Nil[_2_]]

On 03 Sep 2015, Mike Rivers wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

Honestly, I feel a little guilty about not assembling my own
custom computer, but motherboards and CPUs (and their associated
memory) change a few times a year. As someone who gets a computer
every few years, there's a lot of learning what's what required
for a one-off buy.

I'm starting to go through that process right now. My current main
computer is almost 10 years old - it's been a great, solid, capable
machine, but it's time. I know I could buy an off-the-shelf computer
that would probably be just about good enough, but putting my own
together will let me get acquainted with the current technology and
will (I hope) result in a computer that performs great and won't become
obsolete as fast.

Also, I think it's fun.




None of my applications require cutting edge
hardware. and buying one that just works without having to buy and
install an operating system and chase down drivers.

And, besides, if it's a laptop that you want, build-it-yourself
isn't really an option, or it's a very limited one.

[Chuck[_12_]]

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:43:46 -0400, Mike Rivers
wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:17 AM, Chuck wrote:
The Optiplex 9020 that I use at work had the new 12V only power supply
die after 1 month of use. The supply weighs about 1 and a half
pounds.

Was it replaced? Did the replacement die after 1 month also?
Yes, Dell replaced the power supply. No, the replacement has run for 2
months. We normally keep computers on for 24 hours a day. After
seeing how poorly the supply is constructed, I have been shutting the
computer off after 8 hours.

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/4/2015 10:11 AM, Chuck wrote:
Dell replaced the power supply. No, the replacement has run for 2
months. We normally keep computers on for 24 hours a day. After
seeing how poorly the supply is constructed, I have been shutting the
computer off after 8 hours.

It's amazing how good something can be made cheaply these days, but QA
isn't what it used to be. I think you were just unlucky. By turning the
computer off and on you might be doing more to shorten the life than
keeping it on all the time, assuming that the construction is such that
there's good ventilation and air circulation internally so that it
doesn't get unusually hot. Dell has traditionally been pretty good about
that, though maybe things have changed. Try it your way.

There are things that can be done to make a power supply last for 20
years, but I suspect that they're shooting for a life cycle of about 5
years. These things are remarkably predictable. Just ask the people who
sell car batteries or home hot water heaters.

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[Chuck[_12_]]

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 10:36:33 -0400, Mike Rivers
wrote:

On 9/4/2015 10:11 AM, Chuck wrote:
Dell replaced the power supply. No, the replacement has run for 2
months. We normally keep computers on for 24 hours a day. After
seeing how poorly the supply is constructed, I have been shutting the
computer off after 8 hours.

It's amazing how good something can be made cheaply these days, but QA
isn't what it used to be. I think you were just unlucky. By turning the
computer off and on you might be doing more to shorten the life than
keeping it on all the time, assuming that the construction is such that
there's good ventilation and air circulation internally so that it
doesn't get unusually hot. Dell has traditionally been pretty good about
that, though maybe things have changed. Try it your way.

There are things that can be done to make a power supply last for 20
years, but I suspect that they're shooting for a life cycle of about 5
years. These things are remarkably predictable. Just ask the people who
sell car batteries or home hot water heaters.


Mike,

I have disassembled the Dell supplies that came with the Optiplex 790.
There was a 100% power supply failure rate of those on our campus.
(over 150) There was a poor quality Chinese electrolytic cap causing
some failures and a shorted ceramic cap which caused multiple solid
state device failures. I shut the computer down because heat kills
the lesser quality electrolytics used. Chuck

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/10/2015 9:42 AM, Chuck wrote:
have disassembled the Dell supplies that came with the Optiplex 790.
There was a 100% power supply failure rate of those on our campus.
(over 150) There was a poor quality Chinese electrolytic cap causing
some failures and a shorted ceramic cap which caused multiple solid
state device failures. I shut the computer down because heat kills
the lesser quality electrolytics used.

I had an Optiplex 270 that died of capacitor failure, but on the
motherboard, not the power supply. I was told (then) that this model and
its successor, the 280, had problems with failing capacitors. But this
one was 12 years old or so when it failed,

There were a lot of bogus capacitors shipped by legitimate distributors
back in the 1998-2005 period. Most were purchased honestly, but the
distributors didn't get what they thought they were selling. They even
had counterfeit manufacturer's names and date codes. I don't know the
Dell story. I do know the Mackie story. They were replacing capacitors
in d8b consoles right and left, some caught in production test, others
not showing up as faulty until a couple of years of use. And the sad
part about it was that Mackie didn't even get a "deal" on that lot of
capacitors, they paid the ordinary price from their ordinary
distributor. The distributor covered the parts, but not the labor.

Yes, Dell does make some inexpensive computers, and one of the ways they
do that is to cut corners on parts. But Dell also makes some very highly
reliable products. Your school's problem was that they bought the cheap
computers.

The way to save a computer from failure due to a marginal part isn't to
use it less, it's to replace the part with what should have been there
in the first place.

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[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/10/2015 9:42 AM, Chuck wrote:
snip

Yes, Dell does make some inexpensive computers, and one of the ways they
do that is to cut corners on parts. But Dell also makes some very highly
reliable products. Your school's problem was that they bought the cheap
computers.


And good luck telling which is which beyond a wild guess based on price.

The way to save a computer from failure due to a marginal part isn't to
use it less, it's to replace the part with what should have been there
in the first place.


--
Les Cargill