[Ron C[_2_]]

OK, I've never worked in a major studio, so
I'm looking for a reality check.

On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.
(Seemingly for having the vocals too low.)
[OK, American Idol/Reality non sequitur noted.]

Questions:

[1] Is Jimmy Iovine THAT good?
[2] Is the help THAT bad?
[3] How does anyone get anything done
with that kind of turn over rate?
[4] Any other reality checks, etc.?

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Sean Conolly]

"Ron C" wrote in message
...
OK, I've never worked in a major studio, so
I'm looking for a reality check.

On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.
(Seemingly for having the vocals too low.)
[OK, American Idol/Reality non sequitur noted.]

Questions:

[1] Is Jimmy Iovine THAT good?
[2] Is the help THAT bad?
[3] How does anyone get anything done
with that kind of turn over rate?
[4] Any other reality checks, etc.?

==

Here's his list of credits from AllMusic:
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/jimmy...353668/credits

I don't know how he ranks among the 'great' producers, since I don't really
pay a lot of attentiot to that stuff. I would count myself damn lucky if he
ever wanted to produce anything I was involved with, so that's my reality
check.

Sean

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:30:42 PM UTC-4, Ron C wrote:
[1] Is Jimmy Iovine THAT good?

If he really did fire that many assistants, the better question is "Is Jimmy Iovine really that big of a dick?"

--Ethan

[hank alrich]

wrote:

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:30:42 PM UTC-4, Ron C wrote:
[1] Is Jimmy Iovine THAT good?

If he really did fire that many assistants, the better question is "Is
Jimmy Iovine really that big of a dick?"

--Ethan

Easy enough to judge from a distance.

Examine the man's credits, then let's all talk our action.

Get work at that level and then find an assistant that meets our own
standard. Most of those came out of some audio school where their
parents overpaid for a mediocre technical education.

Understand that at the highest levels of the pop music industry, company
execs, who are often also producers, are sometimes not nice guys. No big
surprise there.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 3/25/2013 5:25 PM, hank alrich wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:30:42 PM UTC-4, Ron C wrote:
[1] Is Jimmy Iovine THAT good?

If he really did fire that many assistants, the better question is "Is
Jimmy Iovine really that big of a dick?"

--Ethan

Easy enough to judge from a distance.

Examine the man's credits, then let's all talk our action.

Get work at that level and then find an assistant that meets our own
standard. Most of those came out of some audio school where their
parents overpaid for a mediocre technical education.

Understand that at the highest levels of the pop music industry, company
execs, who are often also producers, are sometimes not nice guys. No big
surprise there.

I never said he didn't have serious credentials.
Just wondering if 110 fired assistants in 3 years,
is typical and if so why? If those schools are that
bad why would they hire so many of their grads
just to fire them a few days later?

Anyway, I'm guessing you'd vote yes to:
[2] Is the help THAT bad?

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[hank alrich]

Ron C wrote:

On 3/25/2013 5:25 PM, hank alrich wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:30:42 PM UTC-4, Ron C wrote:
[1] Is Jimmy Iovine THAT good?

If he really did fire that many assistants, the better question is "Is
Jimmy Iovine really that big of a dick?"

--Ethan

Easy enough to judge from a distance.

Examine the man's credits, then let's all talk our action.

Get work at that level and then find an assistant that meets our own
standard. Most of those came out of some audio school where their
parents overpaid for a mediocre technical education.

Understand that at the highest levels of the pop music industry, company
execs, who are often also producers, are sometimes not nice guys. No big
surprise there.

I never said he didn't have serious credentials.
Just wondering if 110 fired assistants in 3 years,
is typical and if so why? If those schools are that
bad why would they hire so many of their grads
just to fire them a few days later?

Anyway, I'm guessing you'd vote yes to:
[2] Is the help THAT bad?

I think it's a perfect storm of factors, including [2}, Ron.

That work is loaded with tiny details. One mistake is usually enough to
allow one's dismissal.

And maybe he was just bragging. g

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[Marc Wielage[_2_]]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:30:42 -0700, Ron C wrote
(in article ) :

OK, I've never worked in a major studio, so
I'm looking for a reality check.

On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.
(Seemingly for having the vocals too low.)
------------------------------snip------------------------------

Since when does an *assistant* have the responsibility for vocals
in a mix?

I'd fire most of his engineers for having the Auto-Tune turned too high.
(And they aren't responsible for that, either.)

Jimmy is an extremely-aware former-engineer/producer/exec, so he does know
the technical end very well (going back 40 years). I'm hoping he said this
just to be controversial and wacky.

On the other hand, he's one of the brains behind Dr. Dre's "Beats"
headphones, so you gotta wonder what Iovine thinks sounds good these days
(from a strictly technical perspective).

--MFW

[Steve King]

Marc Wielage wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:30:42 -0700, Ron C wrote
(in article ) :

OK, I've never worked in a major studio, so
I'm looking for a reality check.

On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.
(Seemingly for having the vocals too low.)
------------------------------snip------------------------------

Since when does an *assistant* have the responsibility for vocals
in a mix?

I'd fire most of his engineers for having the Auto-Tune turned too
high. (And they aren't responsible for that, either.)

Jimmy is an extremely-aware former-engineer/producer/exec, so he does
know the technical end very well (going back 40 years). I'm hoping
he said this just to be controversial and wacky.

On the other hand, he's one of the brains behind Dr. Dre's "Beats"
headphones, so you gotta wonder what Iovine thinks sounds good these
days (from a strictly technical perspective).

--MFW

$$$$

Steve King

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Marc Wielage wrote:
snip

On the other hand, he's one of the brains behind Dr. Dre's "Beats"
headphones, so you gotta wonder what Iovine thinks sounds good these days
(from a strictly technical perspective).


he probably likes money just like everyone else.

--MFW


--
Les Cargill

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Ron C wrote:

On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.

How come he is so bad at hiring suitable staff?

Ron Capik

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
handcrafted ascii by Peter Larsen

[Trevor]

"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
. ..
Ron C wrote:
On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.

How come he is so bad at hiring suitable staff?

Obviously none are ever suitable for him. That would indicate the problem is
not with them IMO.

Trevor.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Trevor wrote:
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
. ..
Ron C wrote:
On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.

How come he is so bad at hiring suitable staff?

Obviously none are ever suitable for him. That would indicate the problem is
not with them IMO.

Trevor.



I apologize for this in advance, but it's the closest thing to a
reproducible definition of "asshole" I ever ran into:

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole.
If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole." -Raylan Givens,
Justified

I expect that was at least approved by Elmore Leonard, so it's
worth listening to...

--
Les Cargill

[Tom McCreadie]

Obviously none are ever suitable for him. That would indicate the problem is
not with them I

Agreed. People like him are giving arseholes a bad name
--
Tom McCreadie

Live at The London Palindrome - ABBA

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
Peter Larsen wrote:
Ron C wrote:

On American Idol the other night Jimmy Iovine
said he fired 110 assistants in three years.

How come he is so bad at hiring suitable staff?

One of the interesting things about the music business is that it has a
tendency to accept assholes at all levels. This is not always a bad thing
although it can sometimes seem that way when you're having to work with
such or have one work for you. In the end, what matters is that the job
gets done.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."