"dave weil" wrote in message
...

Minute by minute blow-by-blows can go private.

You have a right to express your opinion no matter how big an ass it
shows you to be.

ScottW

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"David Joslin" wrote in message

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
news
Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.

You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?

Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current
and specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the
various field reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big
picture and not terribly up to date.

Here's a challenge. Find something said on RAO that isn't represented
more
accurately, wiht more detail, and more up-to-date on:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/

especially:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/ataglance.html

and

http://www.msnbc.com/news


Actually, most of the best information I'm getting is coming from friends
and relatives going out and looking and then calling each other. The next
best comes from blogs and people on the ground--like Scott--who report what
they see and know to everyone else. Right now with things changing by the
minute bottom up beats top down big time. It's what makes the Internet
great, hell, it's what makes democracy great. It's too bad you don't have a
good word for it.

Thanks for the urls, I check them too.

David Joslin

"dave weil" wrote in message
...


BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
sure you will be relieved.

Lighten up, Dave.
You too have posted stuff that I
(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
So what? I passed them by.
But I respect and admire that you have other interests
besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
couple of others here on this group.

You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.




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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"David Joslin" wrote in message


Here's a challenge. Find something said on RAO that isn't represented
more
accurately, wiht more detail, and more up-to-date on:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/

especially:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/ataglance.html

and

http://www.msnbc.com/news


These are exactly what I have been following.
MSNBC (the home page on my pc at home and at work) is short on details, but
is timely on major events
The newspaper is a little better on details, but
not very timely. Scott, keeping up with local radio
and tv, was timely and had more specific info
that was of interest to me.




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Yustabe said:

"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .


BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
sure you will be relieved.

Lighten up, Dave.
You too have posted stuff that I
(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
So what? I passed them by.
But I respect and admire that you have other interests
besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
couple of others here on this group.

You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.

Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might not be
of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition, I'm
watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three miles of
where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
because I'm seeing embers here and there.

In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.

Boon

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:48:14 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
sure you will be relieved.

I guess that you'll be rid of yourself for 4 or 5 hours also...

Well, I'm back and I'm *still* not rid of me, although I'll have to
say that I've enjoyed myself on the distributor's dime...

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:16:27 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .

Minute by minute blow-by-blows can go private.

You have a right to express your opinion no matter how big an ass it
shows you to be.

Well yes, that's why you're here, right?

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

On 28 Oct 2003 18:03:52 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

Yustabe said:

"dave weil" wrote in message
. ..


BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
sure you will be relieved.

Lighten up, Dave.
You too have posted stuff that I
(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
So what? I passed them by.
But I respect and admire that you have other interests
besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
couple of others here on this group.

You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.

Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might not be
of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition, I'm
watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three miles of
where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
because I'm seeing embers here and there.

In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.

Boon

Just to clarify, I simply said this:

"Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates"?

And then Scott ( and a couple of others) felt like he had to jump on
me.

I sympathize with those few of you who are being affected by this. But
to have an ASSHOLE - (yes, guys, I know that you've actually visited
Scott, so you have a different perspective), a guy who's whole life
here on RAO is to be judge, jury and executioner in as few words as
possible, start posting mountains of information about minute to
minute changes in the wind just rubbed me the wrong way. It seemed
self-pitying and self-serving as well. And frankly, I could have been
far more caustic than I was - I simply noted that posting scores of
updates (which is how it seemed to be going) was worth commenting on.

The fact that I gave updates on 9-11 seems to me to be a whole
different dimension of interest to the group. Sure, the fires in So.
Cal. are fairly bad fires of the type that we seem to suffer each year
in different parts of the country. And I didn't really mind a couple
of postings. But to post stuff that probably had specific relevance to
virtually nobody, just seemed like an effort to garner sympathy.

I notice that *you* and Art didn't feel compelled to act like Jesus on
the cross. and yet, I hope that all works out for you, obviously. for
Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
roof.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:39 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

That might be your perspective. I'd have to say though that 9-11
affected me (and *everyone* on this group, regardless of what country
they're from) far more than the fires in So. Cal is going to.

The main reason that I continued posting about it was that several
people wrote me privately and said that they were at work and didn't
have access to the media (and so I figured that, given word to the
contrary, there were likely a lot of people in that same boat). And
nobody thought (at least not articulated) that my "reportage" was
excessive. I was *asked* to continue posting what *some* of us were
seeing on CNN and NBC. Not one person said that it was excessive.

If it had bothered you, you should have said something, just like *I*
did.

shrug

Nice to find out that I've had such an effect on you though. It swells
me with pride...

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:23:17 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:39 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

That might be your perspective. I'd have to say though that 9-11
affected me (and *everyone* on this group, regardless of what country
they're from) far more than the fires in So. Cal is going to.

The main reason that I continued posting about it was that several
people wrote me privately and said that they were at work and didn't
have access to the media (and so I figured that, given word to the
contrary, there were likely a lot of people in that same boat).

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?

And
nobody thought (at least not articulated) that my "reportage" was
excessive. I was *asked* to continue posting what *some* of us were
seeing on CNN and NBC. Not one person said that it was excessive.

If it had bothered you, you should have said something, just like *I*
did.

shrug

Nice to find out that I've had such an effect on you though. It swells
me with pride...

You're next on the list, pal...




I'm kidding, of course!

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
roof.

I hope you suffer no misfortunes Dave. Taking RAO a little too
seriously is misfortune enough.

ScottW

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
...

Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might
not be
of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition,
I'm
watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three
miles of
where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
because I'm seeing embers here and there.

In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.

Wow, good luck Marc. All we have is a little smoke today.

ScottW

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:06:29 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .

Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
roof.

I hope you suffer no misfortunes Dave. Taking RAO a little too
seriously is misfortune enough.

Hmmmm, maybe you should take your *own* advice.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:48:13 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:23:17 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:39 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil
wrote:



Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nb...&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

That might be your perspective. I'd have to say though that 9-11
affected me (and *everyone* on this group, regardless of what country
they're from) far more than the fires in So. Cal is going to.

The main reason that I continued posting about it was that several
people wrote me privately and said that they were at work and didn't
have access to the media (and so I figured that, given word to the
contrary, there were likely a lot of people in that same boat).

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?

Apparently people who probably couldn't monitor CNN because of their
work conditions.

Still, equating the So. Cal. fires with 9-11 is a stretch.

And
nobody thought (at least not articulated) that my "reportage" was
excessive. I was *asked* to continue posting what *some* of us were
seeing on CNN and NBC. Not one person said that it was excessive.

If it had bothered you, you should have said something, just like *I*
did.

shrug

Nice to find out that I've had such an effect on you though. It swells
me with pride...

You're next on the list, pal...




I'm kidding, of course!

Whatever *that* meant, of course.

"Dogma4e" wrote in message
...

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?



Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
locations of affected areas.




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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"Dogma4e" wrote in message
...

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?



Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
locations of affected areas.

Even the local news was screwed at times as they were
in information overload. I saw a map of road closures
on KUSI that had an arrow on Highway 78 saying
closed at Pine Bluff Road. Trouble was the arrow was
about where my house is and Pine Bluff Road is about
20 miles east on the other side of Escondido.

Apparently (my kid's info from AIM) his school is closing the
rest of the week due to the smoke.

ScottW

dave said:

On 28 Oct 2003 18:03:52 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

Yustabe said:

"dave weil" wrote in message
...


BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
sure you will be relieved.

Lighten up, Dave.
You too have posted stuff that I
(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
So what? I passed them by.
But I respect and admire that you have other interests
besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
couple of others here on this group.

You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.

Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might not
be
of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition, I'm
watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three miles
of
where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
because I'm seeing embers here and there.

In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.

Boon

Just to clarify, I simply said this:

"Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates"?

And then Scott ( and a couple of others) felt like he had to jump on
me.

I sympathize with those few of you who are being affected by this. But
to have an ASSHOLE - (yes, guys, I know that you've actually visited
Scott, so you have a different perspective), a guy who's whole life
here on RAO is to be judge, jury and executioner in as few words as
possible, start posting mountains of information about minute to
minute changes in the wind just rubbed me the wrong way. It seemed
self-pitying and self-serving as well. And frankly, I could have been
far more caustic than I was - I simply noted that posting scores of
updates (which is how it seemed to be going) was worth commenting on.

The fact that I gave updates on 9-11 seems to me to be a whole
different dimension of interest to the group. Sure, the fires in So.
Cal. are fairly bad fires of the type that we seem to suffer each year
in different parts of the country. And I didn't really mind a couple
of postings. But to post stuff that probably had specific relevance to
virtually nobody, just seemed like an effort to garner sympathy.

I notice that *you* and Art didn't feel compelled to act like Jesus on
the cross. and yet, I hope that all works out for you, obviously. for
Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
roof.

I understand all of that. I'm not trying to say that one person is right and
the other is wrong. But it is really scary to be in the middle of all this,
and maybe Scott's updates made him feel at least a little bit better.

BTW, I was in Scott's neck of the woods today, and I'm sure I was only a few
miles from the fire. In other words, I traveled almost 140 miles from my
house, where there was fire, to Scott's house, where there was fire. That kind
of puts a perspective on the size of this thing. In Scott's city, you can't
see more than a hundred yards because of the smoke. In my city, you can
clearly see the fire's progress along the top of the hills above my home. I'm
not sure which is more unnerving.

Boon

Scott said:

Wow, good luck Marc. All we have is a little smoke today.


You had a lot of smoke today...I was there, at the new Sav-On they're opening
tomorrow. My eyes are really burning.

Boon

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message

"Dogma4e" wrote in message
...

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?



Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
locations of affected areas.

Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message

"Dogma4e" wrote in message
...

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?



Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
locations of affected areas.

Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.



How would you know how accurate they were?
They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
sites you offered up.
You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!





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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message


"Dogma4e" wrote in message
...

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?

Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
locations of affected areas.

LOL!

Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.

How would you know how accurate they were?

Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Scott. You
obviously didn't read them. Something about pictures and charts being worth
a thousand words (each), and a thousand words is far more the skimpy
hysterical pieces that you posted.

They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
sites you offered up.

You're delusional, Scott. All the time. Look at who you call your friends!
More like fiends, if you ask me.

You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!

I know rank, stinking panic when I read it. You're in love with fiends
because they pay attention to you when you deserve to be ignored.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message


(correction)

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message


"Dogma4e" wrote in message
...

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?

Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
locations of affected areas.

LOL!

Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.

They were highly limited and reflected a lot of panic.

How would you know how accurate they were?

Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Yustabe.


You obviously didn't read them. Something about pictures and charts
being worth a thousand words (each), and a thousand words is far more
the skimpy hysterical pieces that Scott posted.

They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
sites you offered up.

You're delusional, Yustabe. All the time. Look at who you call your
friends! More like fiends, if you ask me.

You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!

I know rank, stinking panic when I read it. You're in love with fiends
because they pay attention to you when you deserve to be ignored.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message


How would you know how accurate they were?

Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Scott. You
obviously didn't read them. Something about pictures and charts being
worth
a thousand words (each), and a thousand words is far more the skimpy
hysterical pieces that you posted.


you are ahving another major brain fart!
you are responding to Art


They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
sites you offered up.

You're delusional, Scott. All the time. Look at who you call your friends!
More like fiends, if you ask me.


That was a stinky brain fart!

You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!

I know rank, stinking panic when I read it. You're in love with fiends
because they pay attention to you when you deserve to be ignored.


I know raving, incurable dementia when I see it. You can't keep the
simplest things straight. We certainly can't trust you when things get
complicated.




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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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(correction)


Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Yustabe.


I am glsd to see thet you have recovered to your
normal abnormal state.




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Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.

Must have been incredible fat people since there were
4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
northern end of the county to the Mexican border.

In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
miles of the "fires".

Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.

ScottW

ScottW said:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.

Must have been incredible fat people since there were
4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
northern end of the county to the Mexican border.

In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
miles of the "fires".

Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.

Such is the life of an Internet geek. They pretend to know everything, yet
they are incredible failures in real life.

Boon

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:iK_nb.46667$gi2.37781@fed1read01...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.

Must have been incredible fat people since there were
4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
northern end of the county to the Mexican border.

In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
miles of the "fires".

Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.


Not to mention the disdain of the rest of us.




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Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.

Not to mention the disdain of the rest of us.

Maybe Arnii will give us an update on his fabulous collection of
turds.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:31:39 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.

Must have been incredible fat people since there were
4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
northern end of the county to the Mexican border.

In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
miles of the "fires".

Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.

ScottW

Taking RAO too seriously again, I see.

s******

Lionel wrote:

Do you really think that this British midinette knows "L.A. Woman" ?

She probably fantasizes about being one.


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