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Ty Ford wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:29:20 -0500, George Gleason wrote (in article ): Blind Joni wrote: What is it about George's input that makes it "zero ability to control his cyber mouth"? This is purely ad hominem. He controls it within _his_ parameters, not the self styled charter enforcement commitee's. No, he posts illogical responses and ignores the point made..often. Conversation is valuable..illogical proclamations are not. Then refresh me on the logic used to create the God you put your faith in is derived? sounds like illogical proclamination to me G Shut the **** up George. Yeah thats gonna work Do you have the slightest clue to what a ****** you have become? perhaps a session at Dale Carnegie should be in your future G |
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Ty Ford wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:09:55 -0500, Wayne wrote (in article ): Hank wrote Funny, in a twisted but clueless way; Ty has contributed so much good info here you could work the rest of your life struggling to be on topic and still not catch up. What's you take on the new AKG 414's? -- ha Hank, don't waste your energy. He doesn't even understand "freedom of speech". He has the freedom to say whatever he wants to whomever he wants, but the action can and sometimes has consequences. The last part is what most of these "complainers" don't understand. BTW, I haven't heard the new 414's, but what I've heard from some is they aren't that much different from current models. Maybe a repackaging tool? --Wayne -"sounded good to me"- There are several major differences. (My review is in the latest issue of PAR. ) As regards your "review" and mine, Wayne, I do it for a living and you quote what you think other people heard. How's that workin' for you? And, there's also a major difference between what YOU call free speech and the rules that govern the operation of a newsgroup as declared in its charter. The whiners aren't us, the whiners are the 5-6 jerks who don't know how to respect the rules of the group and don't have the balls to go to a newsgroup where they can to people who actually give a **** about religion and politics. That's pretty limp-wristed. or the whiners who expect the entire world to create the on line experience they desire taking NO responsibility to use the simplest of tools to make reading a newsgroup fit their needs but rather spend hours and hours each week waving charters and telling people who aren't talking to them to shut the **** up you don't want to see me just make it happen but all your whining is doing is creating more off topic posts G |
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Ty Ford wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:51:37 -0500, Johnston West wrote (in article ): (Mike Rivers) wrote in message 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. So why are you starting a new one???? Just ingnore them and they won't go away anyway........ It's call FREEDOM OF SPEECH ...... Try and live with it. It beats Fascism. Freedom of speech does not entitle you to shoot your mouth off anytime you want to about anything you want. Get a ****ing clue. Are you really George Gleason under a new name? yup I am the only one here its just me and you now lil buddy George |
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Blind Joni wrote:
Then refresh me on the logic used to create the God you put your faith in is derived? sounds like illogical proclamination to me First, you never read me making statements about my faith in anything..I always refer to your response to others who opinion you disagree with..which is what it is ..and you keep insisting it is more than that. That's my point..I am commenting on the logic..you are agruing to be right. Why do you care so much that you can believe you are right about something?..this is an attitude that causes so much misery. Just pointing out the gross double standard you have G |
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:28:46 -0500, Ty Ford
wrote: Freedom of speech does not entitle you to shoot your mouth off anytime you want to about anything you want. You heard it here first... |
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It does effect change if anything does. The political newsgroups are
just a memory hole. And who goes outside anymore? Ty Ford wrote [...] Posting them here simply pollutes the water. If you really want to effect change STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER. GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING. IF YOU THING BSING ON THE COMPUTER IN A NEWSGROUP WILL EFFECT CHANGE, YOU'RE ****ING CRAZY. Ty Ford |
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Ty Ford wrote in message .
Freedom of speech does not entitle you to shoot your mouth off anytime you want to about anything you want. Get a ****ing clue. Ty Ford Oh I see ..... But it entitles you to "shoot your mouth off anytime you want" huh? Gee Ty, you're proving both of us right. I'd suggest you "Shut the **** up", "go crap on someones lawn" and "get a ****ing clue" as you've so eloquently put it here numerous time. Your name pops up on these OT threads amd furthers them as much as any other person. You also win the award for the foulist mouth. Have you no shame or regard for your reputation Ty. J_West |
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Usenet is the CB radio of the modern world. It is, at best, fun for
venting, cheering up one's self, and for trying out new arguments. But it is almost entirely irrelevant to the science, commerce and politics of the real world, in my experience. Usenet is ineffective for marketing, unreliable for data collection and unsuitable for good communication. Few successful professionals pay any attention to it. Sincerely, Earl R. Satz "There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't." |
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Usenet is the CB radio of the modern world. It is, at best, fun for
venting, cheering up one's self, and for trying out new arguments. But it is almost entirely irrelevant to the science, commerce and politics of the real world, in my experience. Usenet is ineffective for marketing, unreliable for data collection and unsuitable for good communication. Few successful professionals pay any attention to it. Sincerely, Earl R. Satz "There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't." |
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Earl R. Satz wrote:
Usenet is the CB radio of the modern world. It is, at best, fun for venting, cheering up one's self, and for trying out new arguments. But it is almost entirely irrelevant to the science, commerce and politics of the real world, in my experience. I beg to differ. I found more technical ressources on usenet that in every book, magazines, schools or real-life discussion that I could be exposed to. Not just audio, but several other non-related topics as well. Books are obsolete the day they comes out, magazines and web sites are often biased by whatever sponsor/advertiser they have. Usenet is 100% free, it's real people exchanging. Ot's great! CB radio would compare better with IRC chat imho. -- Eric (Dero) Desrochers http://homepage.mac.com/dero72 Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 |
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Earl R. Satz wrote:
Usenet is the CB radio of the modern world. It is, at best, fun for venting, cheering up one's self, and for trying out new arguments. But it is almost entirely irrelevant to the science, commerce and politics of the real world, in my experience. I beg to differ. I found more technical ressources on usenet that in every book, magazines, schools or real-life discussion that I could be exposed to. Not just audio, but several other non-related topics as well. Books are obsolete the day they comes out, magazines and web sites are often biased by whatever sponsor/advertiser they have. Usenet is 100% free, it's real people exchanging. Ot's great! CB radio would compare better with IRC chat imho. -- Eric (Dero) Desrochers http://homepage.mac.com/dero72 Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 |
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Eric Desrochers wrote:
Books are obsolete the day they comes out True for some books, and false for others. For instance, the original _Audio Cyclopedia_ might not be right up to date with the newest technology but it's still solid on the basics and chock full of valuable info. But I agree on the value of information glenaed from Usenet discourse, assuming one picks intelligently. -- ha |
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Eric Desrochers wrote:
Books are obsolete the day they comes out True for some books, and false for others. For instance, the original _Audio Cyclopedia_ might not be right up to date with the newest technology but it's still solid on the basics and chock full of valuable info. But I agree on the value of information glenaed from Usenet discourse, assuming one picks intelligently. -- ha |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:52:50 -0500, Earl R. Satz wrote
(in article ) : Usenet is the CB radio of the modern world. It is, at best, fun for venting, cheering up one's self, and for trying out new arguments. But it is almost entirely irrelevant to the science, commerce and politics of the real world, in my experience. Usenet is ineffective for marketing, unreliable for data collection and unsuitable for good communication. Few successful professionals pay any attention to it. Sincerely, Earl R. Satz "There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't." Earl, As formerly KMI-2870, I understand and appreciate the concept. I witnessed the devaluation of CB throughout the 1070s. When I started, you could have decent conversations with people some 30 miles away. That was in the 1960s. Having nice things easily destroyed by a few is a universal concept. It wasn't that way in this (and other groups) as recently as earlier this year. With the original CB radio users, there was respect and civility. I watched it slide. I and others made subtle requests, found they were ignored, and then stepped up to match the same levels of abuse of those who were abusing the charter. They are right; it is a public place. When access is free, one never knows who will walk in or when they will walk out. Too bad though; rap used to be a lot nicer. What's saddest of all, perhaps, is that some of these folks just lost the desire to talk discuss audio. They don't have the fire anymore. It has been replaced by some need to discuss religion and politics, matters which they can do nothing about. This change in topic (or to OFF TOPIC) speaks volumes about their response to their own very personal hopelessness. Their way of dealing with the issue is to attempt to achieve control by their unwelcomed comments on the newsgroup. Problem is, asserting one's opinion about religion and politics actually does nothing to regain control. Control and "face" are highly prized in any community. There they are, trapped in thier misbehavior and then called on it by many others, myself included. If they stop their bad behavior, they feel they lose more control, or at the very least, they lose face in the community because stopping the misbehavior requires that they admit to having done something bad. It's a downward spiral. Sure, they are frustrated about their perceived loss of control. They have yet to realize that, like everyone in rap, we never really had any control to begin with. So, technically, the best way to handle it is to arrange for a situation to occur in which they don't lose face, but stop the misbehavior. Traditionally, when this sort of dynamic happens within a family, "time heals all wounds." If nobody talks about the misbehavior and it stops, after a while, the issue is so old (and has been replaced by newer more valid communication) that it doesn't matter. In the absence of this correction, you simply have a chronic, dysfunctional "family." I'd prefer that not happen with rap, but, as stated earlier, neither I or anyone here has the control make that (or anything) happen. The question is sometimes asked, "Well why not just give them what they want?" That of course, implies that we become enablers or co-dependents; both of which are bad ideas. Besides, we can't give them what they want because what they want is control. Since none of us have it, we can't give it. In my original draft of this post, I named the individuals who were causing the problem. In an effort to give them the "out" they need, I decided to remove that paragraph. RAP has been a mess for too long. Let the healing begin. Sincerely, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:52:50 -0500, Earl R. Satz wrote
(in article ) : Usenet is the CB radio of the modern world. It is, at best, fun for venting, cheering up one's self, and for trying out new arguments. But it is almost entirely irrelevant to the science, commerce and politics of the real world, in my experience. Usenet is ineffective for marketing, unreliable for data collection and unsuitable for good communication. Few successful professionals pay any attention to it. Sincerely, Earl R. Satz "There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't." Earl, As formerly KMI-2870, I understand and appreciate the concept. I witnessed the devaluation of CB throughout the 1070s. When I started, you could have decent conversations with people some 30 miles away. That was in the 1960s. Having nice things easily destroyed by a few is a universal concept. It wasn't that way in this (and other groups) as recently as earlier this year. With the original CB radio users, there was respect and civility. I watched it slide. I and others made subtle requests, found they were ignored, and then stepped up to match the same levels of abuse of those who were abusing the charter. They are right; it is a public place. When access is free, one never knows who will walk in or when they will walk out. Too bad though; rap used to be a lot nicer. What's saddest of all, perhaps, is that some of these folks just lost the desire to talk discuss audio. They don't have the fire anymore. It has been replaced by some need to discuss religion and politics, matters which they can do nothing about. This change in topic (or to OFF TOPIC) speaks volumes about their response to their own very personal hopelessness. Their way of dealing with the issue is to attempt to achieve control by their unwelcomed comments on the newsgroup. Problem is, asserting one's opinion about religion and politics actually does nothing to regain control. Control and "face" are highly prized in any community. There they are, trapped in thier misbehavior and then called on it by many others, myself included. If they stop their bad behavior, they feel they lose more control, or at the very least, they lose face in the community because stopping the misbehavior requires that they admit to having done something bad. It's a downward spiral. Sure, they are frustrated about their perceived loss of control. They have yet to realize that, like everyone in rap, we never really had any control to begin with. So, technically, the best way to handle it is to arrange for a situation to occur in which they don't lose face, but stop the misbehavior. Traditionally, when this sort of dynamic happens within a family, "time heals all wounds." If nobody talks about the misbehavior and it stops, after a while, the issue is so old (and has been replaced by newer more valid communication) that it doesn't matter. In the absence of this correction, you simply have a chronic, dysfunctional "family." I'd prefer that not happen with rap, but, as stated earlier, neither I or anyone here has the control make that (or anything) happen. The question is sometimes asked, "Well why not just give them what they want?" That of course, implies that we become enablers or co-dependents; both of which are bad ideas. Besides, we can't give them what they want because what they want is control. Since none of us have it, we can't give it. In my original draft of this post, I named the individuals who were causing the problem. In an effort to give them the "out" they need, I decided to remove that paragraph. RAP has been a mess for too long. Let the healing begin. Sincerely, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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Ty Ford wrote:
They are right; it is a public place. When access is free, one never knows who will walk in or when they will walk out. Too bad though; rap used to be a lot nicer. What's saddest of all, perhaps, is that some of these folks just lost the desire to talk discuss audio. They don't have the fire anymore. It has been replaced by some need to discuss religion and politics, matters which they can do nothing about. This change in topic (or to OFF TOPIC) speaks volumes about their response to their own very personal hopelessness. This OT crap is not exclusive to R.A.P. I currently subscribe to totally diverse groups, like : rec.audio.pro atl.autos.toyota comp.sys.mac.system rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled alt.satellite.expressvu rec.audio.car alt.audio.pro.live-sound All of them are flooded by OT post, mostly USA politic crap. RAP is no worst than the five thousands+ usenet groups in existance. Only moderated web forums seem to be mostly clear. (I should learn how to set up some kill file/junk filter) -- Eric (Dero) Desrochers http://homepage.mac.com/dero72 Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 |
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Ty Ford wrote:
They are right; it is a public place. When access is free, one never knows who will walk in or when they will walk out. Too bad though; rap used to be a lot nicer. What's saddest of all, perhaps, is that some of these folks just lost the desire to talk discuss audio. They don't have the fire anymore. It has been replaced by some need to discuss religion and politics, matters which they can do nothing about. This change in topic (or to OFF TOPIC) speaks volumes about their response to their own very personal hopelessness. This OT crap is not exclusive to R.A.P. I currently subscribe to totally diverse groups, like : rec.audio.pro atl.autos.toyota comp.sys.mac.system rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled alt.satellite.expressvu rec.audio.car alt.audio.pro.live-sound All of them are flooded by OT post, mostly USA politic crap. RAP is no worst than the five thousands+ usenet groups in existance. Only moderated web forums seem to be mostly clear. (I should learn how to set up some kill file/junk filter) -- Eric (Dero) Desrochers http://homepage.mac.com/dero72 Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 |
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