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It's Happening Again
144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT
politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. -- -Hev Find Me He www.michaelROBOTSspringerBEGONE.com |
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"Hev" wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote: 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Whatever. Do what you will, but if you're going to insist on ****ing in the pool, don't be surprised that it's annoying to others. -jw |
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"John Washburn" wrote in message
... "Hev" wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote: 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Whatever. Do what you will, but if you're going to insist on ****ing in the pool, don't be surprised that it's annoying to others. ****ing in the pool? How hard is it not to read something? These threads obviously have to do with the elections that were supposed to be 'the most important ever" or whatever. They will die down soon enough and we can beat the ol' digital versus analog crap again... or feel superior over someone asking "what mic is best for under $200". -- -Hev Find Me He www.michaelROBOTSspringerBEGONE.com |
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Hev wrote:
You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Those who are unable to govern their own behavior are unconvincing models of anyone capable of revising the foreign policies of theocratic idiocracies. The behavior underlying your response is much like Bush's response to the world, our former allies, and the UN: "Nevermind the rules, pal, because this _is_ what _I_ am going to _do_." -- ha |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo My killfile is eliminating about 30-45% of the posts daily. Most of those are OT, and I can live without the audio contributions that get lost, few as they are, by the flagrant violators. Steve King |
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"Hev" wrote
"John Washburn" wrote: "Hev" wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote: 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Whatever. Do what you will, but if you're going to insist on ****ing in the pool, don't be surprised that it's annoying to others. ****ing in the pool? How hard is it not to read something? Regardless of how benign it might seem to you and others, it's still annoying to the people who find it annoying. I think what compounds that is that a lot of the people who don't think it's problematic refuse to acknowledge that those offended might have a valid position. My point isn't to police the OT threads, but that it shouldn't be surprising when people object to them. These threads obviously have to do with the elections that were supposed to be 'the most important ever" or whatever. They will die down soon enough and we can beat the ol' digital versus analog crap again... or feel superior over someone asking "what mic is best for under $200". I hope so, I think. It not like the daily "best mic for under $200" barrage was that much better. Oh well. -jw |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:55:57 GMT, "Hev" wrote:
"John Washburn" wrote in message . .. "Hev" wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote: 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Whatever. Do what you will, but if you're going to insist on ****ing in the pool, don't be surprised that it's annoying to others. ****ing in the pool? How hard is it not to read something? These threads obviously have to do with the elections that were supposed to be 'the most important ever" or whatever. Isn't there an alt.politics or some similar newsgroup, where such posts would be ON TOPIC? Does the concept of on-topicness have any meaning anymore? They will die down soon enough One can only hope... and we can beat the ol' digital versus analog crap again... or feel superior over someone asking "what mic is best for under $200". Stop it! You're making me long for the good old days! ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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I agree that there is a unusual amount of OT posts here lately and usually I
do ignore them. When someone ****es on my country (Canada) I couldn't resist. I will try to restrain myself in the future but it is hard to ignore a bully sometimes. Perhaps a rec.audio.pro.ot (or something like that) board is in order if this trend continues. This format has been succesful on some other boards I am on. Just a thought. ciao, ken "Steve King" wrote in message ... "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo My killfile is eliminating about 30-45% of the posts daily. Most of those are OT, and I can live without the audio contributions that get lost, few as they are, by the flagrant violators. Steve King |
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Hev wrote:
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. You know, when someone is being rude, and then someone else says, "Hey, you're being rude," and then the first person says, "No, I'm not, there's something wrong with you if this bothers you," this does not make the first person not rude; instead, it makes them doubly rude. I'm honestly a bit ticked with the continuing level of off-topic political stuff. The election was over two days ago. As so often happens in elections, one of the candidates won and the other lost. (And, this time, the Supreme Court didn't even have to get involved.) As it turns out, many of the races were decided opposite to the way I personally voted, including the presidental race. But that's life. More to the point, what reason is there to continue to discuss it? It just makes one look like a spiteful person who can't accept defeat with any kind of grace and instead has to continue to whine on and on about things that are in the past and can't be changed. - Logan |
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"Hev" wrote in message
news:lvuid.832$oa1.741@trnddc03 "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. But I am forced to skip over them. And politics affect all of us. So find a politics newsgroup and enjoy! There are about 750 NGs with politics in their name. Not enough for you? Hate the game, not the player. Basically, the OT posts are dominated by people who lack focus and personal discipline. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Provide me with a reasonably small set of rules for Outlook Express that will eliminate only OT posts. |
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More to the point, what reason is there to continue to discuss it?
It just makes one look like a spiteful person who can't accept defeat with any kind of grace and instead has to continue to whine on and on about things that are in the past and can't be changed. What is happening is a discussion of thought processes and values ..not the election. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"Blind Joni" wrote: What is happening is a discussion of thought processes and values ..not the election. Maybe, but it's still annoying and isn't anymore on topic. -jw |
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What is happening is a discussion of thought processes and values ..not
the election. Maybe, but it's still annoying and isn't anymore on topic. You could be right but..I find it interesting that people doing the very same job have radically different basic viewpoints..interesting if nothing else. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"Blind Joni" wrote:
What is happening is a discussion of thought processes and values ..not the election. Maybe, but it's still annoying and isn't anymore on topic. You could be right but..I find it interesting that people doing the very same job have radically different basic viewpoints..interesting if nothing else. It is interesting... for about a week. When OT posts were a small percentage of total posts, it wasn't that big a deal and even made sense--rather than get to know a whole new pile of people to discuss a subject of potentially common interest that's also off topic (BBQ, Scotch, etc) one could banter it about a little and then get back to business because the conversation existed in the context of people with common interests. But when the subject in the name of the group ceases to have primacy for a significant proportion of the posting populous it becomes inconsiderate to those who aren't here for politics, values, elections, etc. But most of the typical OT posts bother me a thousand times less than the posts where people try to shush people who complain about OT posts. I just think that's really rude. -jw |
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Hev wrote: You aren't forced to read the posts. Problem seems to be that some of the founding fathers still bulk download everything over dialup so they can read it with a text editor offline. It would be of little or no consequence otherwise. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message
.. . Hev wrote: You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Those who are unable to govern their own behavior are unconvincing models of anyone capable of revising the foreign policies of theocratic idiocracies. Believe it or not I have gained some insight even in the pettily bickering. The behavior underlying your response is much like Bush's response to the world, our former allies, and the UN: "Nevermind the rules, pal, because this _is_ what _I_ am going to _do_." Point taken. But if the world, our former allies, and the U.N. could just not look at Bush and Bush wouldn't affect them then your point would weigh even heavier. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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"Logan Shaw" wrote in message
... More to the point, what reason is there to continue to discuss it? I have a deep desire to understand what is going on to our country and I relate with audio people in general. It felt like a good place to learn. I mean... most of these people don't even realize there is a pentagram in the design of Washington D.C. Not only a pentagram but a devils/goat head, and compass. And we haven't even gotten that far yet. But yes, it is off topic for this audio NG. Lets get back to something more solid, like people's opinions of what the best gear is. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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I've just realized that this bitching about OT posts in R.A.P. occurs on a
very regular basis. Do a google search and see for yourself. Why not just start a rec.audio.pro.ot or whatever would be a legal name. Then when an OT post develops it can quickly be moved to the OT newsgroup. Everyone is happy and audio geeks get to discuss and bicker all the OT dribble they (I) wish. This is like the offering condoms to students discussion. You know it's gonna happen, might as well prepare for it. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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Hev wrote:
You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. No, the curent political talk interests only you American. This is a global newsgroup. Those politic discussions are going on for several months on every f*cking forums I go, from aircooled Volkswagens to home theater to Macintosh computers... Now that your election is over, can you put this to rest for the next 48 months, please? -- Eric (Dero) Desrochers http://homepage.mac.com/dero72 Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 |
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Eric Desrochers wrote:
No, the curent political talk interests only you American. This is a global newsgroup. Those politic discussions are going on for several months on every f*cking forums I go, from aircooled Volkswagens to home theater to Macintosh computers... Now that your election is over, can you put this to rest for the next 48 months, please? Okay, but what about air cooled vs. water cooled debates? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Eric Desrochers wrote: No, the curent political talk interests only you American. This is a global newsgroup. Those politic discussions are going on for several months on every f*cking forums I go, from aircooled Volkswagens to home theater to Macintosh computers... Now that your election is over, can you put this to rest for the next 48 months, please? Okay, but what about air cooled vs. water cooled debates? --scott So long as Robert Pease is in the debate, those are fun. -- Les Cargill |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: Now that your election is over, can you put this to rest for the next 48 months, please? Okay, but what about air cooled vs. water cooled debates? Do you live in the desert? |
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"agent86" wrote in message t... Hev wrote: This is like the offering condoms to students discussion. You know it's gonna happen, might as well prepare for it. Then again, there is the expectation that the typical RAP poster is not a high schooler. WTF? You skip over my idea to rid R.A.P. of OT discussion to add this tidbit of genius? -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). Sorry. jb |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Eric Desrochers wrote: No, the curent political talk interests only you American. This is a global newsgroup. Those politic discussions are going on for several months on every f*cking forums I go, from aircooled Volkswagens to home theater to Macintosh computers... Now that your election is over, can you put this to rest for the next 48 months, please? Okay, but what about air cooled vs. water cooled debates? A GW is definately water cooled. jb |
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Hev wrote:
This is like the offering condoms to students discussion. You know it's gonna happen, might as well prepare for it. Then again, there is the expectation that the typical RAP poster is not a high schooler. |
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Eric Desrochers wrote:
Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 You need to update your scorecard Eric. Windows is in the lead with 98 points now. |
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Hev wrote:
WTF? You skip over my idea to rid R.A.P. of OT discussion to add this tidbit of genius? It's not exactly your idea. Google rec.audio.pro.saloon If you'd been paying any attention at all, you'd have known that. |
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"Hev" wrote in message news:1Xuid.835$oa1.667@trnddc03...
...They will die down soon enough and we can beat the ol' digital versus analog crap again... Unfortunately that is exactly what some of the regulars here have been saying for at least a few months now. They were saying that things would die down once the election was over, and yet the OT political stuff is just as bad as ever (if not worse). |
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Arny Krueger wrote: Basically, the OT posts are dominated by people who lack focus and personal discipline. And the complainers are dominated by people like to dominate others and put them in silly little boxes like the above. Annoyance is a personal choice. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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It's just a hunch, but it seems to me that there are probably people on here
for whom this is the *only* internet (or usenet) discussion group they frequent, and therefore it is the place where they vent *all* their concerns on all topics. Unfortunately, usenet is unmoderated, so all the OT stuff that would otherwise be deleted in minutes on a moderated board is allowed to grow here like mutant weeds around a nuclear waste dump. Incredibly, there would appear to be some people for whom OT, and particularly politically oriented posts, are the majority if not the near entirety of their activity here. Sure you can just ignore those threads, as I do 99.9% of the time, but it's a bit like going to a ball game or something and finding yourself surrounded by doctors yacking about insurance rates. You could get up and move to an empty seat, but you chose the one you're in, and...we're at a freakin' *ball game*, docs...take the shop talk to a medical convention... Since there is no way to enforce any kind of "topic discipline" here, I have little doubt the signal to noise ratio will continue to decline as pro audio-only types get discouraged and stop coming back, as many, many have already. My own time here is probably about 20% of what it was a few years ago due to the seemingly unstoppable increase in OT threads and the departure, one by one, of some of the most informed pro audio/music business professionals we could once count on for lively, relevant contributions on a regular basis. It's sad. I fear that as this trend continues RAP will become an almost complete waste of time to visit. It will be a very long fall from it's vibrant past. Ted Spencer, NYC "No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about "Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:26:25 -0500, Hev wrote
(in article lvuid.832$oa1.741@trnddc03): "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. The newsgroup charter states that OT posts are not allowed. Hey Hev, send me your address. Next time I need to take a crap I'll come over to your place and take a dump on your front lawn. Don't worry, you can step around it. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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"Bob Cain" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Basically, the OT posts are dominated by people who lack focus and personal discipline. And the complainers are dominated by people like to dominate others and put them in silly little boxes like the above. Defensive much? ;-) Annoyance is a personal choice. Some would like us to believe that newsgroups have titles and charters so that nobody can tell the difference among them, based on their actual topics of conversation. I don't care about a few OT comments, but when the discussion is 25-60% OT for months at a time, well... |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:55:57 -0500, Hev wrote
(in article 1Xuid.835$oa1.667@trnddc03): "John Washburn" wrote in message ... "Hev" wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote: 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Whatever. Do what you will, but if you're going to insist on ****ing in the pool, don't be surprised that it's annoying to others. ****ing in the pool? How hard is it not to read something? These threads obviously have to do with the elections that were supposed to be 'the most important ever" or whatever. They will die down soon enough and we can beat the ol' digital versus analog crap again... or feel superior over someone asking "what mic is best for under $200". Sounds like you've grown out of this newsgroup Hev. It happens. Do us all a favor (yourself included) step off. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:23:23 -0500, hank alrich wrote
(in article ): Hev wrote: You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. Those who are unable to govern their own behavior are unconvincing models of anyone capable of revising the foreign policies of theocratic idiocracies. The behavior underlying your response is much like Bush's response to the world, our former allies, and the UN: "Nevermind the rules, pal, because this _is_ what _I_ am going to _do_." -- ha Ya know, when you do that, people get ****ed off enough to fly planes into buildings. Regards, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:10:06 -0500, Hev wrote
(in article ): "Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... More to the point, what reason is there to continue to discuss it? I have a deep desire to understand what is going on to our country and I relate with audio people in general. It felt like a good place to learn. I mean... most of these people don't even realize there is a pentagram in the design of Washington D.C. Not only a pentagram but a devils/goat head, and compass. And we haven't even gotten that far yet. But yes, it is off topic for this audio NG. Lets get back to something more solid, like people's opinions of what the best gear is. Hev, You have an invalid input/output config. The correct newsgroup for that is rec.audio.opinion, not rec.audio.pro. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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"Ty Ford" wrote in message
... On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:26:25 -0500, Hev wrote (in article lvuid.832$oa1.741@trnddc03): "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1099574920k@trad... 144 new posts since I logged on last. 118 of them unread because of OT politicaly oriented subjects. If you talk about audio in this newsgroup, don't tag on to an off topic message. You will be ignored (by more than just me). You aren't forced to read the posts. And politics affect all of us. Hate the game, not the player. You can filter away the threads just as easily as the posters. The newsgroup charter states that OT posts are not allowed. Hey Hev, send me your address. Next time I need to take a crap I'll come over to your place and take a dump on your front lawn. Don't worry, you can step around it. Sorry, I live in an apartment. If you can climb up onto the balcony you can be my guest. Or you can come inside and we can talk audio and/or politics. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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