Sorry for the music-related post, but I was just wondering if anyone here has
heard the new William Hung CD. For those of you who don't remember, he was one
of the more notorious contestants on American Idol. Truly a terrible singer.
Evidently there was some sort of a pity movement behind him because of the way
Simon tore him up. Anyway, his new CD is available for listening for free on
AOL. He includes such hits as "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Hotel California." I
don't really know how to even describe this piece of ****, other than I suspect
the thing was orchestrated from the start... "hey lets put a really terrible
guy up for Simon to destroy, and then once he rips him a new one, we'll put out
an album!"

It's very depressing.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

The problem with the album is that's it's neither bad enough nor good enough.

It would have been a hoot if it was like his goofy performance on Idol.


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Well, they only have to wonder why CD sales are still down..


Dave

"EggHd" wrote in message
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The problem with the album is that's it's neither bad enough nor good
enough.

It would have been a hoot if it was like his goofy performance on Idol.


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Well, they only have to wonder why CD sales are still down..

I don't believe this has anything to with that. He has press and someone at an
indie decided to get involved.


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(John)
Sorry for the music-related post, but I was just wondering if anyone here
has
heard the new William Hung CD. For those of you who don't remember, he was one
of the more notorious contestants on American Idol. Truly a terrible singer.


Yeah... Simon said something like "Well you can't dance and you can't
sing, so what's the point?" And William Hung said "I did my best, so I have
absolutely NO regrets." That made Paula smile and she said he probably had the
best attitude of all the Idol contestants. That was a funny moment.

I think just because you aren't "talented" technically doesn't mean you
can't be entertaining. Little kids for example can rarely hold pitch and I
love to hear them sing. And at least he doesn't stand up in front of an
audience thinking about how he might exploit as much love and admiration from
them as he can get, like some Pop stars I can think of.


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

He's had more press and more pr than most of us will ever get. And most likely
he will make more money this year than I have in ten.
I heard he was going on tour opening for Britney Spears.

"EggHd" wrote in message
...
Well, they only have to wonder why CD sales are still down..

I don't believe this has anything to with that. He has press and someone
at an
indie decided to get involved.



No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even saturday
mornings.

jb

"WillStG" wrote in message
...
Yeah... Simon said something like "Well you can't dance and you
can't
sing, so what's the point?" And William Hung said "I did my best, so I
have
absolutely NO regrets." That made Paula smile and she said he probably
had the
best attitude of all the Idol contestants. That was a funny moment.


But if these kids are really wanting to get into the business they are going
to run into people who make Simon look polite. They're not trying to be
rude, but this is business. No use wasting their time and yours and
all...But I do have a hard problem telling people. I try to find at least
one good thing to focus on or complement them on and offer positive
criticism for the other stuff. But it also isn't good (even for the
"performer") for you to act like they might could make it when you know
they're never going to make it or even come close. I'm for following dreams
and all, but not professionaly. And not if those dreams aren't attainable.

I think just because you aren't "talented" technically doesn't mean
you
can't be entertaining.

It took me the longest time to understand "entertainer". I remember as a kid
getting ticked off usually every time the "Entertainer of the Year" in any
give genre was announced. I was like, "they have no talent at all! they're
the worst of the lot!, etc.". But I finally realized they had talent, it
just wasn't musical talent (even though they were "singing", etc.)
Entertaining an audience is a gift and art form all in itself. I've seem
many great musicians that were "boring" to the general audience. But anybody
that is good at entertaining has worked their butt of somewhere along the
long and I respect them.

"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message
news:TEpcc.193397$_w.1902966@attbi_s53...
"WillStG" wrote in message
...

But if these kids are really wanting to get into the business they are
going
to run into people who make Simon look polite. They're not trying to be
rude, but this is business. No use wasting their time and yours and
all...

Years ago I heard an interview with the lady who ran the comedy club where
Sam Kinnison was discovered, and she said something that I thought was very
valid - "Never encourage someone who doesn't have talent". The idea being
that you're not doing them any favors.

But then again, some might say some very famous recording "artists" aren't
all that talented. There was a SNL skit recently "American Idol for people
already famous for singing". I thought it was a hoot.

"reddred"

No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even saturday
mornings.

Yep, Fox is pretty much batting 1.000 in the "bad for America" category,
aren't they?

How *do* they do it?

"Ricky W. Hunt"

But if these kids are really wanting to get into the business they are going
to run into people who make Simon look polite.

Very, very true, but OTOH, we're entering the new era where music and
entertainment are going to be separate in a way you've never seen before..

5-10 years from now, *real* music acts will no longer look at corporations and
their slave contracts for validity; they'll simply prosper (like never before)
via online sales, touring and merch. Major labels will exist as part of the
"entertainment" industry. In order to be a good "entertainer", you must "sing";
it'll be like being able to dance and act.

It'll have nothing to do with music.

"reddred"
No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even saturday
mornings.

Well "American Idol" is I beleive the highest rated show on the Fox
Broadcast Network, and his "success" (if that's what you call, what was it, a
"$10,000 recording contract"?) is a good cross promotion.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"Ricky W. Hunt"
But if these kids are really wanting to get into the business they are going
to run into people who make Simon look polite. They're not trying to be
rude, but this is business.

I'm not faulting Simon really, just it was funny to hear William Hung say
"I've done my best, made my best effort I have NO regrets." He is an engaging
fellow, even if he really can't sing and has no sense of rhythm.

No use wasting their time and yours and
all...But I do have a hard problem telling people. I try to find at least one
good thing to focus on or complement them on and offer positive criticism for
the other stuff. But it also isn't good (even for the "performer") for you to
act like they might could make it when you know they're never going to make it
or even come close. I'm for following dreams and all, but not professionaly.
And not if those dreams aren't attainable.

Hey, these people are actually really big stars, but they're just trapped
in the body of a lesser Idol! Not that there's anything wrong with that, is
there? g

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Who's this Hung guy? And is Britney interested in him?

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Mike Rivers wrote:

Who's this Hung guy?

Is he a basso profundo? Next product name: you can see it.. uhh..
coming...

And is Britney interested in him?

Not yet. She's still trying to find her tits. They're almost everywhere
apparently.

--
ha

Ricky W. Hunt wrote:
It took me the longest time to understand "entertainer". I remember as a kid
getting ticked off usually every time the "Entertainer of the Year" in any
give genre was announced. I was like, "they have no talent at all! they're
the worst of the lot!, etc.". But I finally realized they had talent, it
just wasn't musical talent (even though they were "singing", etc.)
Entertaining an audience is a gift and art form all in itself. I've seem
many great musicians that were "boring" to the general audience. But anybody
that is good at entertaining has worked their butt of somewhere along the
long and I respect them.

The problem is that this is an important skill on stage, but one that does
not seem to come across very well on records, except perhaps on a few live
concert recordings.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

ospam (WillStG) wrote in message ...
"reddred"
No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even saturday
mornings.

Well "American Idol" is I beleive the highest rated show on the Fox
Broadcast Network, and his "success" (if that's what you call, what was it, a
"$10,000 recording contract"?) is a good cross promotion.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits


....And Mcdonald's has the biggest selling hamburger....yummm.

Analogeezer

WillStG wrote:

"reddred"
No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even saturday
mornings.

Well "American Idol" is I beleive the highest rated show on the Fox
Broadcast Network, and his "success" (if that's what you call, what was it, a
"$10,000 recording contract"?) is a good cross promotion.

I don't know about recent ones, but the contract Kelly Clarkson had to
sign in order to be a finalist took away any hope she had of profiting
from a real career, she signed away her likeness, anything she sang or
said or did, anything she MIGHT have sung or said or done, anything her
likeness might have... etc... "throughout the universe" and for
"eternity" (those were the actual terms). And she had to participate in
another idol contest for $1100.

Who's this Hung guy?

He is an American Idol first round loser. He did this goofy version of a Ricky
martin hit, She Bangs and got a ton of press for it and ending getting a record
deal with Koch.



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I don't know about recent ones, but the contract Kelly Clarkson had to
sign in order to be a finalist took away any hope she had of profiting
from a real career, she signed away her likeness, anything she sang or
said or did, anything she MIGHT have sung or said or done, anything her
likeness might have... etc... "throughout the universe" and for
"eternity" (those were the actual terms). And she had to participate in
another idol contest for $1100.

This is not correct. She is making a fortune on this tour.



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S O'Neill wrote:

WillStG wrote:

"reddred"
No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even saturday
mornings.

Well "American Idol" is I beleive the highest rated show on the Fox
Broadcast Network, and his "success" (if that's what you call, what was
it, a "$10,000 recording contract"?) is a good cross promotion.

I don't know about recent ones, but the contract Kelly Clarkson had to
sign in order to be a finalist took away any hope she had of profiting
from a real career, she signed away her likeness, anything she sang or
said or did, anything she MIGHT have sung or said or done, anything her
likeness might have... etc... "throughout the universe" and for
"eternity" (those were the actual terms). And she had to participate in
another idol contest for $1100.

When the FOX gets into the chickenhouse _everything_ gets eaten, the
hens, the chicks, the eggs and the rooster, too. Nice. I wonder how much
publicity she might have garnered had she told them to stuff that last
round, and then had her agent tell the world why she did that? That'd
take courage, but right here we're seeing the complete rape of
creativity and talent.

This is precisely the type of greed for which the music business at some
levels has earned a reputation that gets them no respect from what might
be a majority of their potential customers.

--
ha

hank alrich wrote:
S O'Neill wrote:


WillStG wrote:


"reddred"
No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even saturday
mornings.


Well "American Idol" is I beleive the highest rated show on the Fox
Broadcast Network, and his "success" (if that's what you call, what was
it, a "$10,000 recording contract"?) is a good cross promotion.


I don't know about recent ones, but the contract Kelly Clarkson had to
sign in order to be a finalist took away any hope she had of profiting
from a real career, she signed away her likeness, anything she sang or
said or did, anything she MIGHT have sung or said or done, anything her
likeness might have... etc... "throughout the universe" and for
"eternity" (those were the actual terms). And she had to participate in
another idol contest for $1100.


When the FOX gets into the chickenhouse _everything_ gets eaten, the
hens, the chicks, the eggs and the rooster, too. Nice. I wonder how much
publicity she might have garnered had she told them to stuff that last
round, and then had her agent tell the world why she did that? That'd
take courage, but right here we're seeing the complete rape of
creativity and talent.

This is precisely the type of greed for which the music business at some
levels has earned a reputation that gets them no respect from what might
be a majority of their potential customers.

It was all detailed in an article I read sometime last year. It wasn't
FOX, though, it was some greedy *******s who cooked up the whole thing
and sold it to FOX, turnkey. They're the ones who benefitted most.

It was all detailed in an article I read sometime last year. It wasn't
FOX, though, it was some greedy *******s who cooked up the whole thing
and sold it to FOX, turnkey. They're the ones who benefitted most.

The show was a hitin the UK (Pop Idol) and brought to the US as... You guessed
it American Idol.

Who's show is it? Simon.



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(Analogeezer)
...And Mcdonald's has the biggest selling hamburger....yummm.

And fries. When my kid was around a year old I gave him a couple of fries
one day when I was at McDonalds. Next time I drove by McDonald's I heard this
"tsm tsm tsm" noise from the carseat in back.. "Hmm..." Next time I drove
past the place, again, "tsm, tsm, tsm" from the back.. "Naaah, couldn't be."
After the third time though there was no doubt, after having fries at
McDonald's ONE time he remembered those "Golden Arches" and he was saying he
sure liked those fries!
He's a pretty funny kid, and by 2 he knew all the store and restaurant
names on our local strips by what their Logo looks like.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

John wrote:
Sorry for the music-related post, but I was just wondering if anyone
here has heard the new William Hung CD. For those of you who don't
remember, he was one of the more notorious contestants on American
Idol. Truly a terrible singer. Evidently there was some sort of a
pity movement behind him because of the way Simon tore him up.
Anyway, his new CD is available for listening for free on AOL. He
includes such hits as "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Hotel California."
I don't really know how to even describe this piece of ****, other
than I suspect the thing was orchestrated from the start... "hey lets
put a really terrible guy up for Simon to destroy, and then once he
rips him a new one, we'll put out an album!"

If he'd been smart, he'd have called it " Will Hung - Well Hung" .

geoff

WillStG wrote:
"reddred"
No, this is definately a Fox thing. He is all over Fox, even
saturday mornings.

Well "American Idol" is I beleive the highest rated show on the
Fox Broadcast Network, and his "success" (if that's what you call,
what was it, a "$10,000 recording contract"?) is a good cross
promotion.


Just as well ratings are a guide to artist virtue (as they are not to
journalistic integrity either).

geoff

BLCKOUT420 wrote:
He's had more press and more pr than most of us will ever get. And
most likely he will make more money this year than I have in ten.
I heard he was going on tour opening for Britney Spears.

An 'opening' with Britney Spears conjures up images a cutting-room-floor
segment of her Toxic video.

geoff

EggHd wrote:

z., She Bangs and got a ton of press for it and
ending getting a record deal with Koch.


Reminds me of a guy in vinyl days, goes into a record store and asks "Do you
have Jingle Bells on a 12 inch ?".

The spotty young attendant answers "No, but I've got dangle-balls on a 7
inch".

The Shopper queries "Is that a record ???!"

Attendant - "I don't know, but I'm only 17 ...."

geoff

Man I love that guy. He cracks me up to watch him sing. I wish I had
his confidence. Such an endearing kook he is. Tell me the album is
called "Well hung"




(John) wrote in message ...
Sorry for the music-related post, but I was just wondering if anyone here has
heard the new William Hung CD. For those of you who don't remember, he was one
of the more notorious contestants on American Idol. Truly a terrible singer.

"Shawn" wrote in message
om...
Man I love that guy. He cracks me up to watch him sing. I wish I had
his confidence. Such an endearing kook he is. Tell me the album is
called "Well hung"

Most really talented people never have his kind of heart. People always want
what they don't have.

From: "Ricky W. Hunt"

Most really talented people never have his kind of heart. People always want
what they don't have.

You know what's worse though... If he even did have a smidge of talent, he'd be
nowhere. He's famous because he sucks ass with a smile on his face.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

"John" wrote in message
...

You know what's worse though... If he even did have a smidge of talent,
he'd be
nowhere. He's famous because he sucks ass with a smile on his face.

That's probably true. There's not much "in between" in pop stardom. Looks
are the same way. You either have to be perfectly gorgeous or Bob Dylan,
Lyle Lovett, Neil Young, etc.

Bob Dylan or Neil Young would never make it in 2004 if they were new artists.

(BLCKOUT420)

Bob Dylan or Neil Young would never make it in 2004 if they were new artists.

Well maybe if they did some Victoria's Secret ads or something...


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:

(BLCKOUT420)

Bob Dylan or Neil Young would never make it in 2004 if they were new artists.

Well maybe if they did some Victoria's Secret ads or something...

Heh! Hose my panties, baby!

--
ha

(BLCKOUT420)

Bob Dylan or Neil Young would never make it in 2004 if they were new
artists.

Would today's insipid crop make it back then, even if they were 'artists'.

geoff

(hank alrich)

WillStG wrote:

(BLCKOUT420)
Bob Dylan or Neil Young would never make it in 2004 if they were new
artists.

Well maybe if they did some Victoria's Secret ads or something...

Heh! Hose my panties, baby!

You can't make this kind of thing up...


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Would today's insipid crop make it back then, even if they were 'artists'.

Without autotune?

Would today's insipid crop make it back then, even if they were 'artists'.


Fabian? Ed "Kookie" Burns?



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Without autotune?

The name of the software is auto tune. It's like like peoiple didn't do manual
tune before that or have studio singers double the lead vocals.



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