It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the
direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 5005, as amended )
Vote Number: 249 Vote Date: November 19, 2002, 07:34 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 5005 (Homeland Security Act of 2002 )
Measure Title: A bill to establish the Department of Homeland
Security, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 90
NAYs 9
Not Voting 1

Cleland (D-GA), Yea

NAYs ---9
Akaka (D-HI)
Byrd (D-WV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Levin (D-MI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)

Not Voting - 1
Murkowski (R-AK)

It appears that even those of us who are vigilant and well aware of the
vast Republican lie machine can still get sucked in. It would seem
that, once again, any debate or procedural matters going against the
Republicans is unpatriotic.

You can confirm this at:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...2&vote =00249

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

Any possibilty of taking discussions about US politics to a more appropriate forum ?

Graham

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"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

Any possibilty of taking discussions about US politics to a more
appropriate forum ?


Sure, invite us to your next backyard barbeque.



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Pooh Bear wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

Any possibilty of taking discussions about US politics to a more appropriate forum ?


Let's just expand it to include Euro politics so you don't feel so
left out .

This balls been in your court and now for good reason as much of
Europe will soon be "in range".... What do you think Europe should do
about it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story...677542,00.html

ScottW

ScottW wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote:

Read this and enjoy your depression .

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760


ScottW

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Pooh Bear wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

Any possibilty of taking discussions about US politics to a more
appropriate forum ?


Let's just expand it to include Euro politics so you don't feel so
left out .

This balls been in your court and now for good reason as much of
Europe will soon be "in range".... What do you think Europe should do
about it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story...677542,00.html

ScottW

If I'm not mistaken, isn't the Guardian just a bit left of Marx?

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Pooh Bear wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

Any possibilty of taking discussions about US politics to a more
appropriate forum ?


Let's just expand it to include Euro politics so you don't feel so
left out .

This balls been in your court and now for good reason as much of
Europe will soon be "in range".... What do you think Europe should do
about it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story...677542,00.html



You know the way western Europe is, it depends on which way the wind blows!



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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...


"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

Any possibilty of taking discussions about US politics to a more
appropriate forum ?

**Are you new here?


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www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson said to Poopie:

**Are you new here?

Hardly™. The Poopster is a 'borg, and you know how They cherish
hypocrisy.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...
It seems the Republican lie machine got us both regarding Cleland's
vote on the Home Defense Bill. He voted for it:

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the
direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 5005, as amended )
Vote Number: 249 Vote Date: November 19, 2002, 07:34 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 5005 (Homeland Security Act of 2002 )
Measure Title: A bill to establish the Department of Homeland
Security, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 90
NAYs 9
Not Voting 1

Cleland (D-GA), Yea

NAYs ---9
Akaka (D-HI)
Byrd (D-WV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Levin (D-MI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)

Not Voting - 1
Murkowski (R-AK)

It appears that even those of us who are vigilant and well aware of the
vast Republican lie machine can still get sucked in. It would seem
that, once again, any debate or procedural matters going against the
Republicans is unpatriotic.

You can confirm this at:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...2&vote =00249

Just so you know, I don't support the GOP as a matter of course. Only when
I find the Democrat lie machine to working full time on them. There is very
little occaison for me to defend the Democrats against the GOP since it
seems, from my experience, that the Democrats are vastly more prolific, not
to mention vastly more harmful to the security of the United States.

duh-Mikey confirms widespread suspicions about his mental state.

I don't support the GOP as a matter of course.

What is it then -- a matter of routine? reflex? your prime directive?

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


duh-Mikey confirms widespread suspicions about his mental state.

I don't support the GOP as a matter of course.

What is it then -- a matter of routine? reflex? your prime directive?



Fairness.

Just as I would defend you against someone who told a lie about you.
Not that there's much chance that someone would NEED to lie about you to
make you look bad.

If Mickey had a kingdom, he'd ransom it for a bucket of bugs.

Not that there's much chance that someone would NEED to lie about you to
make you look bad.

For your information, Mr. Potato Head, I look FABulous.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...



If Mickey had a kingdom, he'd ransom it for a bucket of bugs.

Not that there's much chance that someone would NEED to lie about you to
make you look bad.

For your information, Mr. Potato Head, I look FABulous.



But you have a soul of pure excrement.

Just so you know, I don't support the GOP as a matter of course. Only when
I find the Democrat lie machine to working full time on them. There is very
little occaison for me to defend the Democrats against the GOP since it
seems, from my experience, that the Democrats are vastly more prolific, not
to mention vastly more harmful to the security of the United States.

Let me guess: you listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, those
illustrious purveyors of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

Nobody with an ounce of reasoning skills could state what you just did
and actually mean it.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just so you know, I don't support the GOP as a matter of course. Only
when
I find the Democrat lie machine to working full time on them. There is
very
little occaison for me to defend the Democrats against the GOP since it
seems, from my experience, that the Democrats are vastly more prolific,
not
to mention vastly more harmful to the security of the United States.

Let me guess: you listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, those
illustrious purveyors of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

Nobody with an ounce of reasoning skills could state what you just did
and actually mean it.

I listen to them and others, I also frequenmtly check in with factcheck.org
to see who's lying today.


Try remembering things like Tammany Hall and how JFK would be treated by the
current Democrats and remember that he would have voted for Nixon had he
himself not won the nomination.

I can say what I said and mean it because history and the facts are on my
side.
Try taking off the blinders and looking at both sides.

Here's an example or two:

http://www.factcheck.org/article358.html

http://www.factcheck.org/article360.html

http://www.factcheck.org/article362.html

http://www.factcheck.org/article366.html

http://www.factcheck.org/article365.html

From:
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:52:31 GMT

My god. You have no brain.

http://www.factcheck.org/article358.html

Shows that Bush and particularly Cheney exaggerated 'facts' to the
public, the congress, and the rest of the world (including the UN).
Let's not forget that Cheney beat that dead horse MONTHS after is was
disproven.

http://www.factcheck.org/article360.html

Shows that the statements about Alito were largely true.

http://www.factcheck.org/article362.html

Oooops! Only 12 billion of the 14 billion went to Big Oil. The other
2.6 billion went to other tax credits. Dems say he votes 4 out of 5
time with Bush, turns out it's 82%, math is good.

http://www.factcheck.org/article366.html

Says *Bush* is painting a picture that's too rosy, but says
*moveon.org* is also exaggerating. I'll give you this one if you'll
agree that the swift boats deal was a deliberate republican-directed
activity. Otherwise, this isn't the Dems.

http://www.factcheck.org/article365.html

Um, if you're trying to prove to me that Bush is a liar, you don't need
to: I already know that.

I see a few spots where some of the Dems made some statements that were
wrong, in my opinion.

I see a deliberate, pervasive effort to lie, distort, and otherwise
corrupt information by the republicans (yes, continually and
intentionally small case).

I also notice that you deliberately did not include this one:

http://www.factcheck.org/article364.html

Did you see where the lies and distortions were so egregious that a
republican senator told the rNC it was inappropriate?

And you tell ME to take MY blinders off? Wow.

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...
From:
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:52:31 GMT

My god. You have no brain.

http://www.factcheck.org/article358.html

Shows that Bush and particularly Cheney exaggerated 'facts' to the
public, the congress, and the rest of the world (including the UN).
Let's not forget that Cheney beat that dead horse MONTHS after is was
disproven.

What a lovely partisan spin on an article that says both sides are
strecthing the truth but which also specifically says:
No hard evidence has surfaced to support claims that Bush somehow
manipulated the findings of intelligence analysts. In fact, two bipartisan
investigations probed for such evidence and said they found none. So Dean's
claim that intelligence was "corrupted" is unsupported.



http://www.factcheck.org/article360.html

Shows that the statements about Alito were largely true.


But as usual distorted to make it seem like something other than what really
happened.

http://www.factcheck.org/article362.html

Oooops! Only 12 billion of the 14 billion went to Big Oil. The other
2.6 billion went to other tax credits. Dems say he votes 4 out of 5
time with Bush, turns out it's 82%, math is good.



Wouldn't it be nice to see or hear an ad that was completely accurate and in
context?
It would make political advertsing much duller.

http://www.factcheck.org/article366.html

Says *Bush* is painting a picture that's too rosy, but says
*moveon.org* is also exaggerating.

moveon.org is just telling another in an endless series of lie and
distortions
when they leave out info like the following:
What MoveOn ignores is that most Iraqis don't want the US to leave
immediately.



I'll give you this one if you'll
agree that the swift boats deal was a deliberate republican-directed
activity. Otherwise, this isn't the Dems.


I can't say that about the swift boats deal because I don't know that to be
true.

Saying moveon.org is not the dems is like denying the sun comes up.


http://www.factcheck.org/article365.html

Um, if you're trying to prove to me that Bush is a liar, you don't need
to: I already know that.

Still being outdistanced by the other side, though.


I see a few spots where some of the Dems made some statements that were
wrong, in my opinion.

I see a deliberate, pervasive effort to lie, distort, and otherwise
corrupt information by the republicans (yes, continually and
intentionally small case).

And I see that both sides have their own problems with the exact truth but
one side, the left has a much bigger problem.

I also notice that you deliberately did not include this one:

http://www.factcheck.org/article364.html


I figured you would find it all by yourself, which you obviously did. You
had to after all that stink showing the Dems are regular liars.

Did you see where the lies and distortions were so egregious that a
republican senator told the rNC it was inappropriate?

And you tell ME to take MY blinders off? Wow.

Indeed. The way you charcterize the articles you read shows that you are
indeed blind.