What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

You clearly pontificate in the expectation that your opinions will be
treated with respect. It is a fair question to ask what you think you
might have done to earn that respect.

The rest of you guys, give Mr Krueger the same chance to answer you
would expect him to give you.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

You clearly pontificate in the expectation that your opinions will be
treated with respect. It is a fair question to ask what you think you
might have done to earn that respect.

The rest of you guys, give Mr Krueger the same chance to answer you
would expect him to give you.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review


Andre,

How's that saying go? "Get a life!"

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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Every time I mix another recording or live event I do a tiny little
*something* for audio, about the same as anybody else.

You clearly pontificate in the expectation that your
opinions will be treated with respect.

Not at all. Given that I post on RAO and AAPLS it is a sure thing that my
posts there will be treated with disrespect.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Every time I mix another recording or live event I do a tiny little
*something* for audio, about the same as anybody else.

You clearly pontificate in the expectation that your
opinions will be treated with respect.

Not at all. Given that I post on RAO and AAPLS it is a sure thing that my
posts there will be treated with disrespect.


How about ProSoundWeb?

Cheers,

Margaret

"Margaret von B." wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Every time I mix another recording or live event I do a
tiny little *something* for audio, about the same as
anybody else.
You clearly pontificate in the expectation that your
opinions will be treated with respect.

Not at all. Given that I post on RAO and AAPLS it is a
sure thing that my posts there will be treated with
disrespect.

How about ProSoundWeb?

It was fun while it lasted, but as usual around here idiocy, fear and hatred
prevailed.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Margaret von B." wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Every time I mix another recording or live event I do a
tiny little *something* for audio, about the same as
anybody else.
You clearly pontificate in the expectation that your
opinions will be treated with respect.

Not at all. Given that I post on RAO and AAPLS it is a
sure thing that my posts there will be treated with
disrespect.

How about ProSoundWeb?

It was fun while it lasted, but as usual around here idiocy, fear and
hatred prevailed.


Just how long/how many posts did it last?

Cheers,

Margaret

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Every time I mix another recording or live event I do a
tiny little *something* for audio, about the same as
anybody else.
You clearly pontificate in the expectation that your
opinions will be treated with respect.

Not at all. Given that I post on RAO and AAPLS it is a
sure thing that my posts there will be treated with
disrespect.

How about ProSoundWeb?

It was fun while it lasted, but as usual around here
idiocy, fear and hatred prevailed.


Just how long/how many posts did it last?

Go look for yourself.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept, but you
certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it computer based.


Kind regards & Seasons Greetings

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Peter Larsen said:

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept [aBxism], but you
certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it computer based.

..... if all you want to test is computer-based snippets of sounds
without an actual audio system.

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Peter Larsen said:

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept [aBxism],
but you certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it computer
based.

.... if all you want to test is computer-based snippets of sounds
without an actual audio system.

Quality audio today is computer based and an actual audio system
consisting of a computer, a power amp and a pair of loudspeakers is very
cost efficient. You are however quite right that it is for comparing
digitized audio. Some months ago I was on a listening panel listening to
alternative versions of the new Elberg MD12 MK2, see:

http://vadlyd.dk/English/RIAA_and_78_RPM_preamp.html

tests were blind and remote, ie. all participants listened to a couple
of CD's with audio from the different versions that were betatested and
rated them. A very procedure because the entire panel could listen on
each their preferred playback systems.


Kind regards & Seasons Greetings

Peter Larsen

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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept, but you
certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it computer based.


Well, at least he stole it globally.


Cheers,

Margaret

"Peter Larsen" wrote in
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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept,
but you certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it
computer based.

Check the ABX JAES paper by Clark. I'm in it.

Ask Clark - he'll tell you that I built the first ABX Comparator and did the
first ABX test. You can find Clark's phone at his DLC Design web site:

http://www.dlcdesignaudio.com/

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Peter Larsen" wrote in
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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept,
but you certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it
computer based.

Check the ABX JAES paper by Clark. I'm in it.

Ask Clark - he'll tell you that I built the first ABX Comparator and did
the first ABX test. You can find Clark's phone at his DLC Design web site:

http://www.dlcdesignaudio.com/


This Clark seems to employ your master and guardian Nousaine. Therefore,
he's not qualified to discuss you or your alleged accomplishments. Sorry to
bust you, Arnii.

Cheers,

Margaret

Arny Krueger wrote:

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept,
but you certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it
computer based.

Check the ABX JAES paper by Clark. I'm in it.

Interesting. I should obviously have read your site with more care.

Ask Clark - he'll tell you that I built the first ABX Comparator
and did the first ABX test. You can find Clark's phone at his DLC
Design web site:

http://www.dlcdesignaudio.com/

A perhaps more useful link is:

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx.htm

since it tells the story. I had underestimated your part in this, thank
you for clearing it up.


Kind regards & Seasons Greetings

Peter Larsen

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Arny Krueger wrote:

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept,
but you certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it
computer based.

Check the ABX JAES paper by Clark. I'm in it.

Interesting. I should obviously have read your site with more care.


Don't overlook the two second castanet snippets!



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Peter Larsen wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:


Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept,
but you certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it
computer based.



Check the ABX JAES paper by Clark. I'm in it.


Interesting. I should obviously have read your site with more care.


Ask Clark - he'll tell you that I built the first ABX Comparator
and did the first ABX test. You can find Clark's phone at his DLC
Design web site:



http://www.dlcdesignaudio.com/


A perhaps more useful link is:

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx.htm

since it tells the story. I had underestimated your part in this, thank
you for clearing it up.

Thanks you for the post Peter as it is informative as to who "invented"
this ABX.




Kind regards & Seasons Greetings

Peter Larsen

"Peter Larsen" wrote in
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Arny Krueger wrote:

Arny, I am not _really_ sure you invented that concept,
but you certainly promoted it and made it easy to do it
computer based.

Check the ABX JAES paper by Clark. I'm in it.

Interesting. I should obviously have read your site with
more care.

Ask Clark - he'll tell you that I built the first ABX
Comparator and did the first ABX test. You can find
Clark's phone at his DLC Design web site:

http://www.dlcdesignaudio.com/

A perhaps more useful link is:

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx.htm

since it tells the story. I had underestimated your part
in this, thank you for clearing it up.

It seems to be a common misapprehension.

You're almost always very fair, Peter.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.


ABX is a nonsolution to a nonproblem of noninterest to anyone. Why
don't you build a tube amp and have some fun? You will never convince
anyone they don't sound better, any more than you will convince the
Pope the Immaculate Conception is not in the Bible and that Mary was
not beamed up to the celestial starship. Or Margaret that she has a
fishy issue to deal with.

Why don't you build something useful like a car that doesn't rust or a
homebuilt airplane that doesn't take a piece of **** Lycoming engine?
If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.


ABX is a nonsolution to a nonproblem of noninterest to
anyone.

Yeah sure. That's why all those 1,000's of people have downloaded software
and test files from www.pcabx.com. That's why the origional ABX Compartor
article was referred and published in the JAES.

Why don't you build a tube amp and have some fun?

By the time we built the 60 or so comparators that we sold in the 80s, we
already had good SS amps.

BTW some of our earliest tests compared good tubed amps (not SETs) to good
SS amps.

You will never convince anyone they don't sound better,
any more than you will convince the Pope the Immaculate
Conception is not in the Bible and that Mary was not
beamed up to the celestial starship. Or Margaret that she
has a fishy issue to deal with.

We've already convinced 1,000's of people. If you are not convinced, well
good for you!

Why don't you build something useful like a car that
doesn't rust or a homebuilt airplane that doesn't take a
piece of **** Lycoming engine? If audio is a solved
problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

After we did the original ABX work we got really interested in loudspeakers
and rooms.

On 28 Dec 2005 14:01:09 -0800, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:


Arny Krueger wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.


ABX is a nonsolution to a nonproblem of noninterest to anyone. Why
don't you build a tube amp and have some fun? You will never convince
anyone they don't sound better,

Some of us already know that they don't sound better, so we don't need
to be convinced.......

any more than you will convince the
Pope the Immaculate Conception is not in the Bible and that Mary was
not beamed up to the celestial starship. Or Margaret that she has a
fishy issue to deal with.

Why don't you build something useful like a car that doesn't rust

You built a tube amp from a de Lorean? :-)

or a
homebuilt airplane that doesn't take a piece of **** Lycoming engine?

Bede BD-5

If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

Speakers are in no way a solved problem - although they're a heck of a
lot better than they used to be.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

From: Stewart Pinkerton
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:39:24 +0000 (UTC)

Bede BD-5

Jet or prop? Those little jets were pretty cool, IMO.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
From: Stewart Pinkerton
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:39:24 +0000 (UTC)

Bede BD-5

Jet or prop? Those little jets were pretty cool, IMO.

The 5J was the only one that ever worked but there never was an
available engine. Thanks to the liability load of horse**** blown by
the incompetents of Sedgwick County and promulgated by sons of whores
like Collins, Mclellan, Lert and others, and probably also some
underhanded DoD machinations, every vendor of these mysteriously
refused to sell.

The successful-such as it is-application has been either Rotax or
Honda power.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

snip
any more than you will convince the
Pope the Immaculate Conception is not in the Bible and that Mary was
not beamed up to the celestial starship. Or Margaret that she has a
fishy issue to deal with.

Why don't you build something useful like a car that doesn't rust

You built a tube amp from a de Lorean? :-)

ROTFLMAO! The stainless outer panels don't rust...but the frame sure
does. Several have broken in half.


or a
homebuilt airplane that doesn't take a piece of **** Lycoming engine?

Bede BD-5

ROTFLMAO^2! Juim Bede is a con man, mountebank snd general goofball par
excellence. The BD-5 was a debacle that sent experimental aviation back
20 years.

If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

Speakers are in no way a solved problem - although they're a heck of a
lot better than they used to be.

Many are not. Upgraded vintage designs are often better than what is
in the saloons today.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

Globally? ABX.


ABX is a nonsolution to a nonproblem of noninterest to anyone. Why
don't you build a tube amp and have some fun?

Because they don't reproduce recordings accurately. They are inefficient,
distorted, unrelaible and inferior.

You will never convince
anyone they don't sound better, any more than you will convince the
Pope the Immaculate Conception is not in the Bible and that Mary was
not beamed up to the celestial starship. Or Margaret that she has a
fishy issue to deal with.


Better is a subjective term, accurate is not. If you find that you prefer
the sound of tubes, then go for it. I and others prefer to hear what teh
recording actually is supposed to sound like.

Why don't you build something useful like a car that doesn't rust or a
homebuilt airplane that doesn't take a piece of **** Lycoming engine?
If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

What did you compare the QSC amp you spoke of with?

Or were you just talking out your ass as usual?

wrote:
snip
ABX is a nonsolution to a nonproblem of noninterest to anyone. Why
don't you build a tube amp and have some fun?

Because they don't reproduce recordings accurately. They are inefficient,
distorted, unrelaible and inferior.

It's simply not true. At least in many cases. There are terrible tube
amps but there are also terrible solid state amps.


You will never convince
anyone they don't sound better, any more than you will convince the
Pope the Immaculate Conception is not in the Bible and that Mary was
not beamed up to the celestial starship. Or Margaret that she has a
fishy issue to deal with.


Better is a subjective term, accurate is not. If you find that you prefer
the sound of tubes, then go for it. I and others prefer to hear what teh
recording actually is supposed to sound like.

Why don't you build something useful like a car that doesn't rust or a
homebuilt airplane that doesn't take a piece of **** Lycoming engine?
If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

What did you compare the QSC amp you spoke of with?

Or were you just talking out your ass as usual?

I didn't compare the QSC amp at all. Your reading comprehension is
deficient.

Bret Ludwig wrote:

If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

QSC amps are hardly the pinnacle of modern audio technology or indeed
fidelity.

Graham

Pooh Bear wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:

If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

QSC amps are hardly the pinnacle of modern audio technology or indeed
fidelity.

QSC amps are reasonably well made, well designed and fairly priced
equipment for their design purpose. There are even places where they
are a useful part of the armamentarium for quality home sound, but it's
not a very big place. When driving efficient speakers at domestic
levels their quality of sound is going to be less than many other
solutions.

Bret Ludwig wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:

If audio is a solved problem, listen to your QSC amps and do something
different.

QSC amps are hardly the pinnacle of modern audio technology or indeed
fidelity.

QSC amps are reasonably well made, well designed and fairly priced
equipment for their design purpose.

Which is sound reinforcement.

There are even places where they
are a useful part of the armamentarium for quality home sound, but it's
not a very big place.

I would differ with you regarding the attribute of 'quality'. At least 'high
quality'.

When driving efficient speakers at domestic levels their quality of sound is
going to be less than many other
solutions.

Why do you say that now ?

Graham

Bret Ludwig wrote:

ABX is a nonsolution to a nonproblem of noninterest to anyone.

Really? Even to designers of audio equipment to want to see if design
changes have altered the sound (for better or for worse)?

dizzy wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:


ABX is a nonsolution to a nonproblem of noninterest to anyone.


Really? Even to designers of audio equipment to want to see if design
changes have altered the sound (for better or for worse)?

YES ...Really!!

Andre Jute wrote:

What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

As asked, in my opinbion: His web sites. His r.a.t. participation,
repair advice included.

Andre Jute


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:55:45 +0100, Peter Larsen
wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

As asked, in my opinbion: His web sites. His r.a.t. participation,
repair advice included.

Andre Jute


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

The question was what he had done FOR audio, not TO audio.

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:55:45 +0100, Peter Larsen
wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

What have you ever done for audio, Arny?

As asked, in my opinbion: His web sites. His r.a.t. participation,
repair advice included.

Andre Jute


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

The question was what he had done FOR audio, not TO audio.

Arny does have some good knowledge and has made some useful contributions to
discussions at times

Sadly he is more well known today for the spectacular results of his mental
illness and his constant humiliation. Before that set in he was a respected
and well-known contributor on domestic hifi and computer soundcards. Since
then he has become nothing more than a figure of fun. Hopefully his friends
(if he has any left) or family will do an intervention on him some time soon
and he will get the help he needs so he can get back to being a useful
contributor, earning back the respect he once had.

Phildo

"Phildo" wrote in message


Sadly he is more well known today for the spectacular
results of his mental illness and his constant
humiliation.

I'll only tell this to you once, for pretty obvious reasons. So Phildo
listen up!

People who make a bit point of going around calling other people mentally
ill often are a bit unnh overstressed themselves.

People who make a habit of regularly bragging about how they have humiliated
other people obviously have some pretty severe personality issues of their
own.

The hidden irony of that phrase "Paranoid Personality Disorder" is that one
strong symptom of PPD is talking about it all the time, and accusing others
of having it.


If the shoe fits, wear it!

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:01:47 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

The hidden irony of that phrase "Paranoid Personality Disorder" is that one
strong symptom of PPD is talking about it all the time, and accusing others
of having it.

You mean, like now?

Or like this:

Dr. Gindi: PARANOID PERSONALITY DISORDER


A. pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their
motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood
and present
in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the
following:


1-suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting,
harming, or deceiving him or her
2- is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
trustworthiness of friends or associates
3- is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
4- reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
remarks or events
5-persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
injuries, or slights
6- perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are
not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
counterattack
7-has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
fidelity of spouse or sexual partner

Arnold: Is that your excuse, Dr. Gindi?

I guess, in this case, he's just aking acue from a former Detroit
mayor, who conspicuously talked about paranoia...

In article , says...




Arny K. said:


If the shoe fits, wear it!


But even when the shoe does fit..
There are some who refuse to admit
And when caught flat-out
They yell and shout,
And claim their s--t is legit.

Of course no one here is guilty of this. Agreed?

Hammingaway

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

People who make a bit point of going around calling other people mentally
ill often are a bit unnh overstressed themselves.

People who make a habit of regularly bragging about how they have
humiliated other people obviously have some pretty severe personality
issues of their own.


Irony alert!



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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Phildo" wrote in message


Sadly he is more well known today for the spectacular
results of his mental illness and his constant
humiliation.

I'll only tell this to you once, for pretty obvious reasons. So Phildo
listen up!

People who make a bit point of going around calling other people mentally
ill often are a bit unnh overstressed themselves.

People who make a habit of regularly bragging about how they have humiliated
other people obviously have some pretty severe personality issues of their
own.

The hidden irony of that phrase "Paranoid Personality Disorder" is that one
strong symptom of PPD is talking about it all the time, and accusing others
of having it.


If the shoe fits, wear it!

Phildo scores!

Boon