[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 13:31, George M. Middius wrote:



On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care

Whatcha got?

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 18:40, George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care



I am with you on both, probably we don't agree on the
mechanism for #2, though. Let's not destroy the system we already
have.


here are some mo

legalizing prostitution
campaign finance reform
protecting our borders
giving illegals already here a legal non citizen status
national law to allow civil unions for same sex relationships
abolish income taxes and replace them with a VAT consumer tax
(some necessities like food and medicine excluded and other
necessities like clothing and school supplies at a lower rate)
(Rich people who spend more will pay more taxes, and lose their
shelters)
School vouchers, but only where there are failed school systems

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care

I am with you on both, probably we don't agree on the
mechanism for #2, though. Let's not destroy the system we already
have.

Whatever.

legalizing prostitution
campaign finance reform
protecting our borders
giving illegals already here a legal non citizen status
national law to allow civil unions for same sex relationships
abolish income taxes and replace them with a VAT consumer tax
School vouchers, but only where there are failed school systems

Only one of those positions is what I'd call conservative. The others are
progressive. Some are even farsighted.

In what sense do you consider yourself a "conservative"? Your love affair
with Dumbya doesn't qualify you, IMO, because he's radically reactionary
and anti-American.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 18:40, George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

you are off your rocker. Git back on it!!!!

If I'm wrong, tell us some things in our country that you believe need
fixing. I'll start off the list with a couple of pipe dreams that won't
happen in our lifetimes:

1. legalizing narcotics
2. universal health care

Whatcha got?

BTW, it was a very good question, so I answered it.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

Whatcha got?

BTW, it was a very good question, so I answered it.

It's not working. You need a new pose.

[avidlistener]

On Sep 5, 10:31*am, George M. Middius
wrote:
Shhhh! said:

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

That can't be true or Palin would not have found any corrupt persons
from her own party when she took office, and the record is clear, she
did find such people and they were dealt with accordingly.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Mickey McMickey chirped:

On the other side of the coin, an essential component of "loving your
country" is never admitting there's anything that needs fixing. It's the
"conservatives" who excel at that peculiar type of denial.

That can't be true or Palin would not have found any corrupt persons
from her own party when she took office, and the record is clear, she
did find such people and they were dealt with accordingly.

You just love Ms. Palin, don't you, Mickey? She's a hypocrite, a panderer,
a religious extremist, and a fascist. Right smack in your comfort zone.

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 5 Sep, 18:35, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority.


You are asserting that blacks and Latinos have less patriotism
and pride in their country as do white anglo's. Better watch
it there!!!!! It's quite a nasty bit of racism you
just put out there.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 5 Sep, 18:35, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 5 Sep, 12:53, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
There seems to be a lot of interest in whether Michele Obama is
"proud", "really proud", or "not proud" of the US. Equally important
is when John McCain "fell in love with" the US.

Specifically to 2pid and Clyde, are both of you "always really proud"
of the US? Do you always believe in "Country first", like the signs
said at the GOP convention? Do you "love" the US, no matter what she
does?

I am much more proud of the US than ashamed of it.
We haven't always done the right things, but overall
this nation has been of benefit to the world,
especially in comparison to most other nations.

I was proud of this country since I was a kid,
I didn't have to wait until I was older than 40 years
old to have my first instance of being
proud, or really proud, of the US.

I'll guess you didn't grow up as a minority.


You are asserting that blacks and Latinos have less patriotism
and pride in their country as do white anglo's. Better watch
it there!!!!! It's quite a nasty bit of racism you
just put out there.

Am not. If military service is a measure of patriotism, they have more.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

so, you negated your own point, Arny does that, too.