[Don Pearce]

On 11 Mar 2007 03:04:47 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 10, 10:56 pm, "Radium" wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote:

The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's
brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting
audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular
sound.

As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh,
and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would
hear w/out the voice-canceller.

That's a subjective impression. Now try to convert that into an
objective one.

What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it
sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW:
you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so
nobody will be able to help you in that regard.

So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones
that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262?

Yes, it is. I just posted a link to a web-site for a DIY synth that is
just exactly what you wanted. Failing that, you could simply collect
old PCs with SoundBlaster 16 cards. And, failing even that, you could
get yourself a copy of DosBox, which has an extremely accurate
emulation of the OLP3 chip and is entirely free.

http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/

And for making music on your beloved YMF262, you could use a tracker
like the Adlib Tracker II:

http://www.adlibtracker.net/

Heck, if you're hell-bent on getting your way, you could even try to
make your FM-synth/voice canceller hybrid in something like MAX/MSP:

http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp

Be creative and try to come up with solutions that are both fun and
practical. Griping on public forums about obsolete technology won't
help you in the least.

To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called
Wavelab. I do the following

1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a
44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file.

2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase
of one of the channels [left or right]

3. I then convert this file to mono.

Voila! My favorite effect!!!!

So you essentially *sample* the chip and then apply effects to it. So
why don't you put those samples in a sampler and then make some music
with it? If you really hate software samplers, you could even get
yourself a second-hand Boss SP-303 and have a ball.

As I said: try to be creative.

NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM
synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary.

Yes, it lets you sample the output directly, e.g. it makes samples out
of stuff you play in real time.

Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220.

Which is relevant *how*?

I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the
idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to
gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way.
That's not a very productive way to spend your time.

RS

As much as I admire your patience, do you reckon you could now dump
him in your killfile? Then the rest of us wouldn't still be seeing his
tedious posts at second hand.

Please?

d

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