[Don Pearce]

On 11 Mar 2007 03:04:47 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 10, 10:56 pm, "Radium" wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote:

The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's
brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting
audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular
sound.

As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh,
and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would
hear w/out the voice-canceller.

That's a subjective impression. Now try to convert that into an
objective one.

What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it
sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW:
you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so
nobody will be able to help you in that regard.

So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones
that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262?

Yes, it is. I just posted a link to a web-site for a DIY synth that is
just exactly what you wanted. Failing that, you could simply collect
old PCs with SoundBlaster 16 cards. And, failing even that, you could
get yourself a copy of DosBox, which has an extremely accurate
emulation of the OLP3 chip and is entirely free.

http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/

And for making music on your beloved YMF262, you could use a tracker
like the Adlib Tracker II:

http://www.adlibtracker.net/

Heck, if you're hell-bent on getting your way, you could even try to
make your FM-synth/voice canceller hybrid in something like MAX/MSP:

http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp

Be creative and try to come up with solutions that are both fun and
practical. Griping on public forums about obsolete technology won't
help you in the least.

To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called
Wavelab. I do the following

1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a
44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file.

2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase
of one of the channels [left or right]

3. I then convert this file to mono.

Voila! My favorite effect!!!!

So you essentially *sample* the chip and then apply effects to it. So
why don't you put those samples in a sampler and then make some music
with it? If you really hate software samplers, you could even get
yourself a second-hand Boss SP-303 and have a ball.

As I said: try to be creative.

NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM
synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary.

Yes, it lets you sample the output directly, e.g. it makes samples out
of stuff you play in real time.

Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220.

Which is relevant *how*?

I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the
idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to
gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way.
That's not a very productive way to spend your time.

RS

As much as I admire your patience, do you reckon you could now dump
him in your killfile? Then the rest of us wouldn't still be seeing his
tedious posts at second hand.

Please?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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On Mar 11, 11:13 am, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On 11 Mar 2007 03:04:47 -0700, wrote:



On Mar 10, 10:56 pm, "Radium" wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote:

The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's
brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting
audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular
sound.

As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh,
and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would
hear w/out the voice-canceller.

That's a subjective impression. Now try to convert that into an
objective one.

What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it
sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW:
you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so
nobody will be able to help you in that regard.

So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones
that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262?

Yes, it is. I just posted a link to a web-site for a DIY synth that is
just exactly what you wanted. Failing that, you could simply collect
old PCs with SoundBlaster 16 cards. And, failing even that, you could
get yourself a copy of DosBox, which has an extremely accurate
emulation of the OLP3 chip and is entirely free.

http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/

And for making music on your beloved YMF262, you could use a tracker
like the Adlib Tracker II:

http://www.adlibtracker.net/

Heck, if you're hell-bent on getting your way, you could even try to
make your FM-synth/voice canceller hybrid in something like MAX/MSP:

http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp

Be creative and try to come up with solutions that are both fun and
practical. Griping on public forums about obsolete technology won't
help you in the least.

To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called
Wavelab. I do the following

1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a
44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file.

2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase
of one of the channels [left or right]

3. I then convert this file to mono.

Voila! My favorite effect!!!!

So you essentially *sample* the chip and then apply effects to it. So
why don't you put those samples in a sampler and then make some music
with it? If you really hate software samplers, you could even get
yourself a second-hand Boss SP-303 and have a ball.

As I said: try to be creative.

NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM
synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary.

Yes, it lets you sample the output directly, e.g. it makes samples out
of stuff you play in real time.

Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220.

Which is relevant *how*?

I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the
idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to
gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way.
That's not a very productive way to spend your time.

RS

As much as I admire your patience, do you reckon you could now dump
him in your killfile? Then the rest of us wouldn't still be seeing his
tedious posts at second hand.

You could just ignore the posts or - failing that - put *me* in your
kill file. I don't care either way.

RS

[Don Pearce]

On 11 Mar 2007 03:56:20 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 11, 11:13 am, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On 11 Mar 2007 03:04:47 -0700, wrote:



On Mar 10, 10:56 pm, "Radium" wrote:
On Mar 10, 1:35 am, wrote:

The "karaoke" effect doesn't have anything to do with FM though. It's
brute force phase cancellation, e.g. something you do on the resulting
audio. I would advise you to find out *why* you like that particular
sound.

As I said before, I like that sound because its warm, bright, fresh,
and rejuventing to me. Compare that to the cheesiness that you would
hear w/out the voice-canceller.

That's a subjective impression. Now try to convert that into an
objective one.

What is going on when you apply the effect? And why does it
sound good to you especially in combination with the YMF262 chip? BTW:
you never even mention the brand and type of the karaoke effect, so
nobody will be able to help you in that regard.

So, it would not be possible to built an FM synth based on the tones
that were out-of-phase on the original YMF262?

Yes, it is. I just posted a link to a web-site for a DIY synth that is
just exactly what you wanted. Failing that, you could simply collect
old PCs with SoundBlaster 16 cards. And, failing even that, you could
get yourself a copy of DosBox, which has an extremely accurate
emulation of the OLP3 chip and is entirely free.

http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/

And for making music on your beloved YMF262, you could use a tracker
like the Adlib Tracker II:

http://www.adlibtracker.net/

Heck, if you're hell-bent on getting your way, you could even try to
make your FM-synth/voice canceller hybrid in something like MAX/MSP:

http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp

Be creative and try to come up with solutions that are both fun and
practical. Griping on public forums about obsolete technology won't
help you in the least.

To get the effect that I desire, I use a Wave editing software called
Wavelab. I do the following

1. Record audio from the MIDI [within the computer itself*] into a
44.1 Khz, 16-bit, stereo Wave file.

2. After I have completed recording the MIDI song, I invert the phase
of one of the channels [left or right]

3. I then convert this file to mono.

Voila! My favorite effect!!!!

So you essentially *sample* the chip and then apply effects to it. So
why don't you put those samples in a sampler and then make some music
with it? If you really hate software samplers, you could even get
yourself a second-hand Boss SP-303 and have a ball.

As I said: try to be creative.

NOTE: My soundcard allows me to directly record audio from the FM
synth into a wave file, so not external equipment is necessary.

Yes, it lets you sample the output directly, e.g. it makes samples out
of stuff you play in real time.

Both Creative Music Synth and "SB16 Wave In" are at I/O address 220.

Which is relevant *how*?

I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the
idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to
gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way.
That's not a very productive way to spend your time.

RS

As much as I admire your patience, do you reckon you could now dump
him in your killfile? Then the rest of us wouldn't still be seeing his
tedious posts at second hand.

You could just ignore the posts or - failing that - put *me* in your
kill file. I don't care either way.

RS


No prob - done.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Shawn O'Connor]

I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the
idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to
gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way.
That's not a very productive way to spend your time.

RS

As much as I admire your patience, do you reckon you could now dump
him in your killfile? Then the rest of us wouldn't still be seeing his
tedious posts at second hand.

You could just ignore the posts or - failing that - put *me* in your
kill file. I don't care either way.

RS


Sadly, I've been somewhat entertained by this whole sideshow and the
incredible patience of people trying to be helpful long past when I would
have been completely over it.

I have to wonder if this is akin to explaining quantum physics to a caveman
(sorry Geico cavemen)

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On Mar 11, 12:21 pm, "Shawn O'Connor" wrote:
I and others have posted numerous solutions to your problem. I get the
idea though that you're not really interested in them and just want to
gripe about stuff, instead of tackling whatever issues come your way.
That's not a very productive way to spend your time.

RS

As much as I admire your patience, do you reckon you could now dump
him in your killfile? Then the rest of us wouldn't still be seeing his
tedious posts at second hand.

You could just ignore the posts or - failing that - put *me* in your
kill file. I don't care either way.

RS

Sadly, I've been somewhat entertained by this whole sideshow and the
incredible patience of people trying to be helpful long past when I would
have been completely over it.

I have to wonder if this is akin to explaining quantum physics to a caveman
(sorry Geico cavemen)

Most replies to him were in the vein of "what you want is obsolete and
therefore stupid", which I don't really agree with, since those old
chips do have a certain sound quality that some people go for. I
figured that me might stop his incessant whining if he got some
serious advice on the OPL3 chip and how to get the sound he wants.
Alas, he is really not interested in that at all and appearantly just
posts to get attention. I will likely ignore him from now on. Live and
learn.

RS

[Radium]

On Mar 11, 4:39 am, wrote:

I
figured that me might stop his incessant whining if he got some
serious advice on the OPL3 chip and how to get the sound he wants.

My most recent posts to your messages were not complaints, rather I
was giving info on just how I achieve the "voice-cancellation"
effect.

Alas, he is really not interested in that at all and appearantly just
posts to get attention.

Actually I am interested. Sorry if it seems that I am whining. I admit
that many of my posts in the past have been complaints. However, the
ones in response to your posts were not. As I said, I was just telling
what means I use to get my desired effect.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

BTW, thanks for the additional links.

[dave king]

wrote:

Most replies to him were in the vein of "what you want is obsolete and
therefore stupid", which I don't really agree with, since those old
chips do have a certain sound quality that some people go for. I
figured that me might stop his incessant whining if he got some
serious advice on the OPL3 chip and how to get the sound he wants.
Alas, he is really not interested in that at all and appearantly just
posts to get attention. I will likely ignore him from now on. Live and
learn.

RS



Why doesn't everyone just stop feeding the troll?

[[email protected]]

On Mar 12, 9:12 am, dave king wrote:
wrote:
Most replies to him were in the vein of "what you want is obsolete and
therefore stupid", which I don't really agree with, since those old
chips do have a certain sound quality that some people go for. I
figured that me might stop his incessant whining if he got some
serious advice on the OPL3 chip and how to get the sound he wants.
Alas, he is really not interested in that at all and appearantly just
posts to get attention. I will likely ignore him from now on. Live and
learn.

RS

Why doesn't everyone just stop feeding the troll?

Why does everyone keep responding to threads they don't like? Really,
if you don't want to see it, just skip it.

RS

[Michael A. Terrell]

Shawn O'Connor wrote:


I have to wonder if this is akin to explaining quantum physics to a caveman
(sorry Geico cavemen)


That's no caveman, its just another dirty old hippy.


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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida