"Triangle" sample for evaluation [Archive]

Arny Krueger

September 27th 06, 04:35 PM

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>> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of
>> >> any
>> >> of
>> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise
>> >> gate"
>> >> in
>> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
>>
>> > No, they don't.
>>
>> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the
>> noise
>> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out
>> when
>> it didn't,
>
> I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file, delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

>> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
>> cutlery hanger sample.
>>
>> She said and I quote:
>>
>> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

> You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting. This file has
only LP-type dynamic range, no doubt due to cheap equipment and/or careless
production.

You missed my comments about the fact that this file really does cut off
around -60 dB, or did you Jenn?

Jenn

September 27th 06, 05:00 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of
> >> >> any
> >> >> of
> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise
> >> >> gate"
> >> >> in
> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
> >>
> >> > No, they don't.
> >>
> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the
> >> noise
> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out
> >> when
> >> it didn't,
> >
> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?
>
> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file, delete
> some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?

>
> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
> >> cutlery hanger sample.
> >>
> >> She said and I quote:
> >>
> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
>
> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
>
> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Arny Krueger

September 27th 06, 05:03 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> any
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise
>> >> >> gate"
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
>> >>
>> >> > No, they don't.
>> >>
>> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the
>> >> noise
>> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut
>> >> out
>> >> when
>> >> it didn't,
>> >
>> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?
>>
>> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file,
>> delete
>> some of it, and do the screen dump.
>
> Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove to
> you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
>
>>
>> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
>> >> cutlery hanger sample.
>> >>
>> >> She said and I quote:
>> >>
>> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
>>
>> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

>> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

> All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
> file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than you've
ever heard it play, right?

Jenn

September 27th 06, 05:10 PM

Arny Krueger

September 27th 06, 05:42 PM

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>> >> >
>> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
>> >> >> >> aware
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
>> >> >> >> "noise
>> >> >> >> gate"
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > No, they don't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> noise
>> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> it didn't,
>> >> >
>> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
>> >> > not?
>> >>
>> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file,
>> >> delete
>> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
>> >
>> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove
>> > to
>> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
>> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> She said and I quote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
>> >>
>> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
>>
>> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
>>
>> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
>> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
>>
>> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
>> you've
>> ever heard it play, right?

> Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
heard my file in its entirety.

Secondly, there's not a lot nice about the cutlery file, and I'm surprized
that you never noticed its obvious faults.

For example the cutlery file's inital strike is very harsh-sounding compared
to the triangle file.

It also has a rather pathological decay. The decay is not monotonic, but
rather it increases and decreases quite audibly at least 6 times before it
cuts off. The pathological decay comes from some resonances that are very
unevenly spaced, unlike a fine orchestral triangle.

Then, there's the slight matter of what the cutlery file decays into - some
rather raucuous-sounding noise at a relatively high level.

Of course having a vinyl-lover's noise gate built into your hearing Jenn,
you probably never noticed any of this.

>So how is that "claiming that the Triangle sample cut out when it didn't"

You did that before the cutlery file was posted.

>and how is the cutlery sample not "ringing for 9 1/2 seconds"?

You said the cutlery file had "a nice 9 1/2 second ring", when it obviously
doesn't. It is nasty and pathological compared to a regular musical
instrument triangle.

> I can only hear what is there, yes?

Well Jenn, you've already claimed that you knew what my triangle file sounds
like, while you also admitted that you've never listened to most of it. No
matter, you also got relevant facts wrong about the part you heard.

Jenn

September 27th 06, 06:10 PM

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"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
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> ...
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> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
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> >> >>
> >> >> gy.
> >> >> com
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
> >> >> >> >> aware
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
> >> >> >> >> "noise
> >> >> >> >> gate"
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> noise
> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut
> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> it didn't,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
> >> >> > not?
> >> >>
> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file,
> >> >> delete
> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
> >> >
> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove
> >> > to
> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
> >> >>
> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
> >>
> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
> >>
> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
> >>
> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
> >> you've
> >> ever heard it play, right?
>
> > Yep.
>
> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
> heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the record.

>
> Secondly, there's not a lot nice about the cutlery file, and I'm surprized
> that you never noticed its obvious faults.
>
> For example the cutlery file's inital strike is very harsh-sounding compared
> to the triangle file.
>
> It also has a rather pathological decay. The decay is not monotonic, but
> rather it increases and decreases quite audibly at least 6 times before it
> cuts off. The pathological decay comes from some resonances that are very
> unevenly spaced, unlike a fine orchestral triangle.

Which yours isn't.

>
> Then, there's the slight matter of what the cutlery file decays into - some
> rather raucuous-sounding noise at a relatively high level.
>
> Of course having a vinyl-lover's noise gate built into your hearing Jenn,
> you probably never noticed any of this.

Incorrect, yet again. I wasn't commenting on the quality of the "music"
made by the cutlery, only that it rang for the time indicated. We were
discussing the length of the 2 files, remember?

>
> >So how is that "claiming that the Triangle sample cut out when it didn't"
>
> You did that before the cutlery file was posted.

But BEFORE I knew that the file was actually longer, as clearly
indicated by the record.

>
> >and how is the cutlery sample not "ringing for 9 1/2 seconds"?
>
> You said the cutlery file had "a nice 9 1/2 second ring", when it obviously
> doesn't. It is nasty and pathological compared to a regular musical
> instrument triangle.

Again, all I was discussing was the length of the file. Context, Arny.

Arny Krueger

September 27th 06, 06:20 PM

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>> >> ...
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>> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >
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>> >> >>
>> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> com
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
>> >> >> >> >> aware
>> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
>> >> >> >> >> "noise
>> >> >> >> >> gate"
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
>> >> >> >> failed
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> noise
>> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample
>> >> >> >> cut
>> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> it didn't,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
>> >> >> > not?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
>> >> >> file,
>> >> >> delete
>> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
>> >> > prove
>> >> > to
>> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
>> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
>> >>
>> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
>> >>
>> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to
>> >> > your
>> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
>> >> you've
>> >> ever heard it play, right?
>>
>> > Yep.
>>
>> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
>> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
>> heard my file in its entirety.
>
> Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew that
> the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b48575d0bbb6d584

You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/6f13bd147769869d

End of story.

Jenn

September 27th 06, 06:24 PM

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"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
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> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
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> >> >>
> >> >> gy.
> >> >> com
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> com
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
> >> >> >> >> >> aware
> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
> >> >> >> >> >> "noise
> >> >> >> >> >> gate"
> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
> >> >> >> >> failed
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> noise
> >> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample
> >> >> >> >> cut
> >> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> >> it didn't,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
> >> >> >> > not?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
> >> >> >> file,
> >> >> >> delete
> >> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
> >> >> > prove
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
> >> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
> >> >>
> >> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
> >> >> you've
> >> >> ever heard it play, right?
> >>
> >> > Yep.
> >>
> >> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
> >> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
> >> heard my file in its entirety.
> >
> > Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew that
> > the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the record.
>
> Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
> discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b48575d0bbb6d584
>
> You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
> that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
> last night:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/6f13bd147769869d
>
> End of story.

OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

Arny Krueger

September 27th 06, 06:29 PM

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...
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>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> .
>> >> com
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >
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>> >> >>
>> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> com
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> com
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not
>> >> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> >> aware
>> >> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
>> >> >> >> >> >> "noise
>> >> >> >> >> >> gate"
>> >> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
>> >> >> >> >> failed
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> noise
>> >> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
>> >> >> >> >> sample
>> >> >> >> >> cut
>> >> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> >> it didn't,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it
>> >> >> >> > or
>> >> >> >> > not?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
>> >> >> >> file,
>> >> >> >> delete
>> >> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
>> >> >> > prove
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
>> >> >> than
>> >> >> you've
>> >> >> ever heard it play, right?
>> >>
>> >> > Yep.
>> >>
>> >> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
>> >> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
>> >> never
>> >> heard my file in its entirety.
>> >
>> > Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
>> > that
>> > the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
>> > record.
>>
>> Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
>> discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b48575d0bbb6d584

In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded to
the invitation.

>> You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
>> that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
>> last night:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/6f13bd147769869d

In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds long.
Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To the
best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds of
my file.

>> End of story.
>
> OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
> on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

Denial of the obvious, noted.

Jenn

September 27th 06, 06:34 PM

oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.

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> >> >> gy.
> >> >> com
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> com
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> com
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> aware
> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "noise
> >> >> >> >> >> >> gate"
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
> >> >> >> >> >> failed
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> noise
> >> >> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
> >> >> >> >> >> sample
> >> >> >> >> >> cut
> >> >> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> >> >> it didn't,
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it
> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> > not?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
> >> >> >> >> file,
> >> >> >> >> delete
> >> >> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
> >> >> >> > prove
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> you've
> >> >> >> ever heard it play, right?
> >> >>
> >> >> > Yep.
> >> >>
> >> >> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
> >> >> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
> >> >> never
> >> >> heard my file in its entirety.
> >> >
> >> > Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
> >> > that
> >> > the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
> >> > record.
> >>
> >> Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
> >> discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b48575d0bbb6d584
>
> In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded to
> the invitation.

I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
Any normal person can see that, Arny.

>
> >> You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
> >> that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
> >> last night:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/6f13bd147769869d
>
> In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds long.

Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
BEFORE that, Arny.

> Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To the
> best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds of
> my file.

Correct.

>
> >> End of story.
> >
> > OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
> > on the quality of your files? Stop lying.
>
> Denial of the obvious, noted.

Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
conclusions.

Arny Krueger

September 27th 06, 06:42 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.
>
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> .
>> >> com
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >>
>> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> com
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> com
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> .pr
>> >> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> >> com
>> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >,
>> >> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> aware
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> built-in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "noise
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> gate"
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> levels.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
>> >> >> >> >> >> failed
>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> noise
>> >> >> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
>> >> >> >> >> >> sample
>> >> >> >> >> >> cut
>> >> >> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> >> >> it didn't,
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see
>> >> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> >> > or
>> >> >> >> >> > not?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the
>> >> >> >> >> good
>> >> >> >> >> file,
>> >> >> >> >> delete
>> >> >> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > prove
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as
>> >> >> >> > opposed
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > your
>> >> >> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
>> >> >> >> than
>> >> >> >> you've
>> >> >> >> ever heard it play, right?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Yep.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
>> >> >> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> heard my file in its entirety.
>> >> >
>> >> > Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
>> >> > that
>> >> > the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
>> >> > record.
>> >>
>> >> Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
>> >> discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:
>> >>
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b48575d0bbb6d584
>>
>> In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded
>> to
>> the invitation.
>
> I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
> Any normal person can see that, Arny.
>
>>
>> >> You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you
>> >> quoted
>> >> that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24
>> >> pm
>> >> last night:
>> >>
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/6f13bd147769869d
>>
>> In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds
>> long.
>
> Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
> BEFORE that, Arny.
>
>> Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To
>> the
>> best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds
>> of
>> my file.
>
> Correct.
>
>>
>> >> End of story.
>> >
>> > OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
>> > on the quality of your files? Stop lying.
>>
>> Denial of the obvious, noted.
>
> Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
> quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
> than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
> conclusions.

So what are you saying Jenn, that 9:29 when you commented quality, is before
9:24 when you quoted the correct length?

Interesting. ;-)

Mr Fox

September 27th 06, 07:19 PM

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:54:24 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>
>"Mr Fox" > wrote in message
...
>>I have recorded a metal cutlery hanger at 1" from a microphone in an
>> enclosed space. You can download it here
>>
>>
>> http://download.yousendit.com/170C012923488321
>>
>> Now compare to Mr Any Krueger's sample :
>>
>> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/reference/triangle-2ds.wav
>>
>>
>> I am in no way suggesting the cutlery hanger is a musical instrument.
>
>Indeed, the intial clang of the cutlery is very harsh in comparison to that
>produced by the triangle.
>
>> However how do you find Mr Krueger's sample in comparison, clarity,
>> decay, acoustics etc?
>
>The cutlery recording has about 30 dB less dynamic range than the triangle
>recording. There is almost 20 dB more midrange noise in the cutlery
>recording, suggesting that a poorer quality mic and/or mic preamp was used.
>There is clear evidence of contamination by a NTSC TV set.
>

Idiot. The point was not dynamic range; didnt even try to get that
right )I see now peramp gain right up fade down(. The point is your
'Trian'ge' rec. is 5h1t . It lacks sparkle vibrancy clarity musicality
or any other attribute. Renmarkable, this is the simplest instrument
of them all. How could you get is so wrong? Your instrument is
obviously made of lead, struck with flesh and rekorded off akis
(possibly of behind mic)

>I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any of
>these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate" in
>their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
>

Mr Fox

September 27th 06, 07:49 PM

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:42:06 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Secondly, there's not a lot nice about the cutlery file, and I'm surprized
>that you never noticed its obvious faults.

more clairity than yrs.

more musicality than the lead triangle; too

>
>It also has a rather pathological decay. The decay is not monotonic, but
>rather it increases and decreases quite audibly at least 6 times before it
>cuts off. The pathological decay comes from some resonances that are very
>unevenly spaced, unlike a fine orchestral triangle.

thats becaus i was holding it 1" from the mic and there was movemetn.

so, so sorry

(-never meant as 'referenc'e quality, unlike yrs)

>You said the cutlery file had "a nice 9 1/2 second ring", when it obviously
>doesn't.

It do.

Or are you arguing that Jenn is wrong for sayings its nice?

A subjective matter, surely.

PS can hire out the culterly hanger @ $10/day

Jenn

September 27th 06, 07:56 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.
> >
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> .
> >> com
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> gy.
> >> >> com
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> com
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> com
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ews
> >> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> >> com
> >> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> aware
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> built-in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "noise
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gate"
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> levels.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
> >> >> >> >> >> >> failed
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> noise
> >> >> >> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
> >> >> >> >> >> >> sample
> >> >> >> >> >> >> cut
> >> >> >> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> >> >> >> it didn't,
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see
> >> >> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> >> > not?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the
> >> >> >> >> >> good
> >> >> >> >> >> file,
> >> >> >> >> >> delete
> >> >> >> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > prove
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as
> >> >> >> >> > opposed
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
> >> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> >> you've
> >> >> >> >> ever heard it play, right?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Yep.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
> >> >> >> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
> >> >> >> never
> >> >> >> heard my file in its entirety.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
> >> >> > record.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
> >> >> discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b48575d0bbb6d584
> >>
> >> In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded
> >> to
> >> the invitation.
> >
> > I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
> > Any normal person can see that, Arny.
> >
> >>
> >> >> You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you
> >> >> quoted
> >> >> that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24
> >> >> pm
> >> >> last night:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/6f13bd147769869d
> >>
> >> In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds
> >> long.
> >
> > Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
> > BEFORE that, Arny.
> >
> >> Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To
> >> the
> >> best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds
> >> of
> >> my file.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> >>
> >> >> End of story.
> >> >
> >> > OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
> >> > on the quality of your files? Stop lying.
> >>
> >> Denial of the obvious, noted.
> >
> > Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
> > quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
> > than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
> > conclusions.
>
> So what are you saying Jenn, that 9:29 when you commented quality, is before
> 9:24 when you quoted the correct length?
>
> Interesting. ;-)

When did I make comment on the length of the file, Arny?

Harry Lavo

September 27th 06, 08:21 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.
>>
>> In article >,
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>> > In article >,
>>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> .
>>> >> com
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > In article >,
>>> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> gy.
>>> >> >> com
>>> >> >> ...
>>> >> >> > In article >,
>>> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> odi
>>> >> >> >> gy.
>>> >> >> >> com
>>> >> >> >> ...
>>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>>> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> .pr
>>> >> >> >> >> odi
>>> >> >> >> >> gy.
>>> >> >> >> >> com
>>> >> >> >> >> ...
>>> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
>>> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> >> >> ...
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > In article
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > >,
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> not
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> aware
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> any
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> built-in
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "noise
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> gate"
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> levels.
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > No, they don't.
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn
>>> >> >> >> >> >> has
>>> >> >> >> >> >> failed
>>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> >> >> noise
>>> >> >> >> >> >> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
>>> >> >> >> >> >> sample
>>> >> >> >> >> >> cut
>>> >> >> >> >> >> out
>>> >> >> >> >> >> when
>>> >> >> >> >> >> it didn't,
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> > I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see
>>> >> >> >> >> > it
>>> >> >> >> >> > or
>>> >> >> >> >> > not?
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the
>>> >> >> >> >> good
>>> >> >> >> >> file,
>>> >> >> >> >> delete
>>> >> >> >> >> some of it, and do the screen dump.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall
>>> >> >> >> > I
>>> >> >> >> > prove
>>> >> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> >> > you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present
>>> >> >> >> >> >> in
>>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> >> >> cutlery hanger sample.
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> She said and I quote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> > You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> > All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as
>>> >> >> >> > opposed
>>> >> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> >> > your
>>> >> >> >> > file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
>>> >> >> >> than
>>> >> >> >> you've
>>> >> >> >> ever heard it play, right?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Yep.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
>>> >> >> publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
>>> >> >> never
>>> >> >> heard my file in its entirety.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
>>> >> > record.
>>> >>
>>> >> Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
>>> >> discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b48575d0bbb6d584
>>>
>>> In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn
>>> responded to
>>> the invitation.
>>
>> I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
>> Any normal person can see that, Arny.
>>
>>>
>>> >> You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you
>>> >> quoted
>>> >> that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24
>>> >> pm
>>> >> last night:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/6f13bd147769869d
>>>
>>> In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds
>>> long.
>>
>> Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
>> BEFORE that, Arny.
>>
>>> Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To
>>> the
>>> best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds
>>> of
>>> my file.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>>
>>> >> End of story.
>>> >
>>> > OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I
>>> > comment
>>> > on the quality of your files? Stop lying.
>>>
>>> Denial of the obvious, noted.
>>
>> Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
>> quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
>> than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
>> conclusions.
>
> So what are you saying Jenn, that 9:29 when you commented quality, is
> before 9:24 when you quoted the correct length?
>
> Interesting. ;-)

Arny, you really are pathetic. You are twisting all this in an attempt to
savage Jenn, when anybody who followed the thread knows she is telling the
truth. You really make a mockery of your Christianity. Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on your need for
self-agrandizement.

MiNe 109

September 27th 06, 08:54 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any
> >> of
> >> these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate"
> >> in
> >> their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.
>
> > No, they don't.
>
> Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the noise
> gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out when
> it didn't, and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
> cutlery hanger sample.
>
> She said and I quote:
>
> "I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

It's not a test.

Stephen

paul packer

September 28th 06, 12:30 PM

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:21:27 -0400, "Harry Lavo" >
wrote:

>Arny, you really are pathetic. You are twisting all this in an attempt to
>savage Jenn, when anybody who followed the thread knows she is telling the
>truth. You really make a mockery of your Christianity. Better you should
>spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on your need for
>self-agrandizement.

Did you know that many psychologists won't work with people with
personality disorder, especially if they're intelligent? Most lack
self-awareness, and will use their intelligence to justify the
oddities of their disorder until the psychologist begins to wonder if
it's HE who's wrong. If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on
Usenet defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and burning all
order and logic, what do you suppose a psychologist is likely to
achieve?

Arny Krueger

September 28th 06, 12:47 PM

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> Arny, you really are pathetic.

No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is called being
factual.

> You are twisting all this
> in an attempt to savage Jenn,

No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable for her statements.

> when anybody who followed
> the thread knows she is telling the truth.

The facts tell a different story.

> You really make a mockery of your Christianity.

Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into a tool that allows
him to be dominant over Christians.

> Better you should
> spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
> your need for self-agrandizement.

What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't know that very many
so-called subjectivists on this group would twist the truth anyway including
loose to thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she created for
herself by being poorly informed and arrogant? The consequences of her
self-impalement won't be pretty.

There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I will be the payee.
It's the high price of telling the truth to people who like you love Harry,
who love their lives of self-serving illusions.

Eeyore

September 28th 06, 12:57 PM

paul packer wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:21:27 -0400, "Harry Lavo" >
> wrote:
>
> >Arny, you really are pathetic. You are twisting all this in an attempt to
> >savage Jenn, when anybody who followed the thread knows she is telling the
> >truth. You really make a mockery of your Christianity. Better you should
> >spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on your need for
> >self-agrandizement.
>
> Did you know that many psychologists won't work with people with
> personality disorder, especially if they're intelligent? Most lack
> self-awareness, and will use their intelligence to justify the
> oddities of their disorder until the psychologist begins to wonder if
> it's HE who's wrong. If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on
> Usenet defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
> disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and burning all
> order and logic, what do you suppose a psychologist is likely to
> achieve?

It's plain silly.

Graham

Arny Krueger

September 28th 06, 01:02 PM

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on Usenet
> defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
> disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and
> burning all order and logic, what do you suppose a
> psychologist is likely to achieve?

Pretending I'm not disliked as I clearly am?

LOL!

Generally slashing and burning all order and logic on RAO?

LOL!

There ain't nuttin' there among you folks to burn.

Paul, you have to be one of the most delusional people I know. Either that
or a habitual writer of fantasy. Your most obviouis fantasy is your
continual representation that you have even half a brain. Go play with
Middius and Jenn. The three of you make a nice party.

George M. Middius

September 28th 06, 01:37 PM

paul packer said:

> Did you know that many psychologists won't work with people with
> personality disorder, especially if they're intelligent? Most lack
> self-awareness, and will use their intelligence to justify the
> oddities of their disorder until the psychologist begins to wonder if
> it's HE who's wrong. If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on
> Usenet defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
> disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and burning all
> order and logic, what do you suppose a psychologist is likely to
> achieve?

You may be selling short the benefits of pharmaceuticals.

--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

Jenn

September 28th 06, 03:39 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>
> > Arny, you really are pathetic.
>
> No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is called being
> factual.
>
> > You are twisting all this
> > in an attempt to savage Jenn,
>
> No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable for her statements.
>
> > when anybody who followed
> > the thread knows she is telling the truth.
>
> The facts tell a different story.
>
> > You really make a mockery of your Christianity.
>
> Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into a tool that allows
> him to be dominant over Christians.
>
> > Better you should
> > spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
> > your need for self-agrandizement.
>
> What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't know that very many
> so-called subjectivists on this group would twist the truth anyway including
> loose to thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she created for
> herself by being poorly informed and arrogant? The consequences of her
> self-impalement won't be pretty.
>
> There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I will be the payee.
> It's the high price of telling the truth to people who like you love Harry,
> who love their lives of self-serving illusions.

That's one of the funniest posts I've ever read. lol

Harry Lavo

September 28th 06, 05:27 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Arny, you really are pathetic.
>
> No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is called being
> factual.
>
>> You are twisting all this
>> in an attempt to savage Jenn,
>
> No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable for her statements.
>
>> when anybody who followed
>> the thread knows she is telling the truth.
>
> The facts tell a different story.
>
>> You really make a mockery of your Christianity.
>
> Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into a tool that allows
> him to be dominant over Christians.
>
>> Better you should
>> spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
>> your need for self-agrandizement.
>
> What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't know that very many
> so-called subjectivists on this group would twist the truth anyway
> including loose to thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she
> created for herself by being poorly informed and arrogant? The
> consequences of her self-impalement won't be pretty.
>
> There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I will be the payee.
> It's the high price of telling the truth to people who like you love
> Harry, who love their lives of self-serving illusions.

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the process of "losing
it" while writing the above?

Arny Krueger

September 28th 06, 05:40 PM

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Arny, you really are pathetic.
>>
>> No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is
>> called being factual.
>>
>>> You are twisting all this
>>> in an attempt to savage Jenn,
>>
>> No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable
>> for her statements.
>>> when anybody who followed
>>> the thread knows she is telling the truth.
>>
>> The facts tell a different story.
>>
>>> You really make a mockery of your Christianity.
>>
>> Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into
>> a tool that allows him to be dominant over Christians.
>>
>>> Better you should
>>> spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
>>> your need for self-agrandizement.
>>
>> What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't
>> know that very many so-called subjectivists on this
>> group would twist the truth anyway including loose to
>> thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she
>> created for herself by being poorly informed and
>> arrogant? The consequences of her self-impalement won't
>> be pretty. There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I
>> will be the payee. It's the high price of telling the
>> truth to people who like you love Harry, who love their
>> lives of self-serving illusions.
>
> Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the
> process of "losing it" while writing the above?

No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since then have shown.
Thanks for helping, Harry.

Eeyore

September 28th 06, 05:44 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Harry Lavo" > wrote
>
> > Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the
> > process of "losing it" while writing the above?
>
> No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since then have shown.
> Thanks for helping, Harry.

No.

You have indeed 'lost it'.

Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks ) from Usenet. NOW
!

Graham

Jenn

September 28th 06, 07:00 PM

In article >,
Eeyore > wrote:

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> > "Harry Lavo" > wrote
> >
> > > Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the
> > > process of "losing it" while writing the above?
> >
> > No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since then have shown.
> > Thanks for helping, Harry.
>
> No.
>
> You have indeed 'lost it'.
>
> Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks ) from Usenet. NOW
> !

You misspelled "years".

Arny Krueger

September 28th 06, 07:46 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> Eeyore > wrote:
>
>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote
>>>
>>>> Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in
>>>> the process of "losing it" while writing the above?
>>>
>>> No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since
>>> then have shown. Thanks for helping, Harry.
>>
>> No.
>>
>> You have indeed 'lost it'.
>>
>> Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks
>> ) from Usenet. NOW !
>
> You misspelled "years".

Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I wasn't trying to
hold you accountable for your weirdness.

Jenn

September 28th 06, 08:00 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > Eeyore > wrote:
> >
> >> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote
> >>>
> >>>> Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in
> >>>> the process of "losing it" while writing the above?
> >>>
> >>> No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since
> >>> then have shown. Thanks for helping, Harry.
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> You have indeed 'lost it'.
> >>
> >> Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks
> >> ) from Usenet. NOW !
> >
> > You misspelled "years".
>
> Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I wasn't trying to
> hold you accountable for your weirdness.

I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is nothing weird about
them, which bugs you to no end.

Arny Krueger

September 28th 06, 08:21 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Eeyore > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in
>>>>>> the process of "losing it" while writing the above?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since
>>>>> then have shown. Thanks for helping, Harry.
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> You have indeed 'lost it'.
>>>>
>>>> Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2
>>>> weeks ) from Usenet. NOW !
>>>
>>> You misspelled "years".
>>
>> Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I
>> wasn't trying to hold you accountable for your weirdness.
>
> I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is
> nothing weird about them, which bugs you to no end.

Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

George M. Middius

September 28th 06, 08:37 PM

The Krooborg confirms the well-known diagnosis.

> > I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is
> > nothing weird about them, which bugs you to no end.

> Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

Arnii, I know about your legendary cheapness and all, but at this point in
your "life", you can surely afford to spring for one session with a
dominatrix. Stop putting it off and just get it over with.

--

I drank chocolate milk through a peeled banana in middle school.How about that? ;-)
A. Krooger, Sept. 2006

[email protected]

September 28th 06, 09:02 PM

Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by miking so closely
low frequency components are picked up that would normally not be heard
or recorded in an orchestral setting. Arny's triangle recording is not
al all how a triangle sounds a few feet or more away. It's similar to
the bass cancelation of dipolar speakers at normal distance due to the
front and back waves meeting. However if you put a microphone right
next to the speaker diaphragm of such a speaker the mike will pick up
the bass full strength. Sorry I'm not more eloquent in my description.

TB

Mr Fox wrote:
> I have recorded a metal cutlery hanger at 1" from a microphone in an
> enclosed space. You can download it here
>
>
> http://download.yousendit.com/170C012923488321
>
> Now compare to Mr Any Kruegers sample :
>
> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/reference/triangle-2ds.wav
>
>
> I am in no way suggesting the cutlery hanger is a musical instrument.
> However how do you find Mr Kerugers sample in comparison, clarity,
> decya, acoustics etc?

dizzy

September 29th 06, 02:14 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:

>Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

Arny: Seek professional help.

Arny Krueger

September 29th 06, 02:22 AM

"dizzy" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Whatever you say, lady. ;-)
>
> Arny: Seek professional help.

Yeah, that was a really nasty thing I just said to Jenn. Just horrible of me
to be agreeable. What atrocity might I commit next?

paul packer

September 29th 06, 02:35 AM

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:02:36 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"paul packer" > wrote in message

>
>> If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on Usenet
>> defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
>> disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and
>> burning all order and logic, what do you suppose a
>> psychologist is likely to achieve?
>
>Pretending I'm not disliked as I clearly am?
>
>LOL!

I hear laughter, Arnie, but I don't see a rational rebuttal.

>Generally slashing and burning all order and logic on RAO?
>
>LOL!

There's that laughter again. You know what they say about people who
continually laugh for no apparent reason.

>There ain't nuttin' there among you folks to burn.
>
>Paul, you have to be one of the most delusional people I know.

That's only because you don't know yourself, which is exactly what I
said.

>Either that or a habitual writer of fantasy.

Yes, I do like to write fiction. On this occasion, however, I was
sticking to the facts.

>Your most obviouis fantasy is your
>continual representation that you have even half a brain.

How does one "represent" intelligence? Either it's there or it's not,
and if it's not the evidence will soon mount. I don't believe you're
unintelligent--not for a moment. I greatly envy your technical
knowledge and skills. But you have a personality problem involving
self-esteem and self-awareness, which are often intertwined, and it
would be wise if, in the midst of your rabid denials, you considered
the possibility that all those people who keep saying "Get help,
Arnie" could just have a point. It's not a condemnation, you know.
People are concerned.

> Go play with
>Middius and Jenn. The three of you make a nice party.

I don't think either of them would like me to play with them, but I do
see what you mean.

George M. Middius

September 29th 06, 03:11 AM

The Krooborg gouges out his last remaining brain cell.

> >> Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

> > Arny: Seek professional help.

> Yeah, that was a really nasty thing I just said to Jenn.

Not really.

--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

Eeyore

September 29th 06, 06:10 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote
> > Eeyore > wrote:
>
> >> Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks
> >> ) from Usenet. NOW !
> >
> > You misspelled "years".
>
> Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I wasn't trying to
> hold you accountable for your weirdness.

I see no weirdness from Jenn.

Graham

Eeyore

September 29th 06, 06:20 AM

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> The Krooborg confirms the well-known diagnosis.
>
> > > I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is
> > > nothing weird about them, which bugs you to no end.
>
> > Whatever you say, lady. ;-)
>
> Arnii, I know about your legendary cheapness and all, but at this point in
> your "life", you can surely afford to spring for one session with a
> dominatrix. Stop putting it off and just get it over with.

No, no ! That should have been.....

" Whatever you say, mistress. "

Graham

Eeyore

September 29th 06, 06:24 AM

wrote:

> Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by miking so closely
> low frequency components are picked up that would normally not be heard
> or recorded in an orchestral setting. Arny's triangle recording is not
> al all how a triangle sounds a few feet or more away. It's similar to
> the bass cancelation of dipolar speakers at normal distance due to the
> front and back waves meeting. However if you put a microphone right
> next to the speaker diaphragm of such a speaker the mike will pick up
> the bass full strength. Sorry I'm not more eloquent in my description.

I assume you mean the proximity effect that occurs with pressure gradient (
directional ) mics as opposed to pressure operated.

Graham

Jenn

September 29th 06, 06:42 AM

In article m>,
wrote:

> Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by miking so closely
> low frequency components are picked up that would normally not be heard
> or recorded in an orchestral setting. Arny's triangle recording is not
> al all how a triangle sounds a few feet or more away. It's similar to
> the bass cancelation of dipolar speakers at normal distance due to the
> front and back waves meeting. However if you put a microphone right
> next to the speaker diaphragm of such a speaker the mike will pick up
> the bass full strength. Sorry I'm not more eloquent in my description.
>
> TB

Hi TB,

Respectfully, there's no way in hell that those are real acoustic
instruments. It is a synth. The triangle is real; a terrible
instrument, but real.

Arny Krueger

September 29th 06, 11:13 AM

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> How does one "represent" intelligence? Either it's there
> or it's not, and if it's not the evidence will soon
> mount. I don't believe you're unintelligent--not for a
> moment. I greatly envy your technical knowledge and
> skills.

Paul there is simply nothing about you that I envy or even find more than
despicable and pitiful. Sorry, but I must tell the truth.

> But you have a personality problem involving
> self-esteem and self-awareness, which are often
> intertwined, and it would be wise if, in the midst of
> your rabid denials, you considered the possibility that
> all those people who keep saying "Get help, Arnie" could
> just have a point. It's not a condemnation, you know.

No, but it is a massive long wordy sentence, which exposes quite a bit about
how your mind fails to work properly, Paul.

> People are concerned.

I wish all the *doctors* around here would fix themselves, first.

Arny Krueger

September 29th 06, 11:18 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> Respectfully, there's no way in hell that those are real
> acoustic instruments. It is a synth.

Please correct me if I'm wrong Jenn, but your hypothesis is that real
trumpet players can never ever play that closely to perfect pitch and hold a
note that steadily, that long.

paul packer

September 29th 06, 01:27 PM

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"paul packer" > wrote in message

>
>> How does one "represent" intelligence? Either it's there
>> or it's not, and if it's not the evidence will soon
>> mount. I don't believe you're unintelligent--not for a
>> moment. I greatly envy your technical knowledge and
>> skills.
>
>Paul there is simply nothing about you that I envy or even find more than
>despicable and pitiful. Sorry, but I must tell the truth.

Hmmm. Methinks this post hit the mark.

>> But you have a personality problem involving
>> self-esteem and self-awareness, which are often
>> intertwined, and it would be wise if, in the midst of
>> your rabid denials, you considered the possibility that
>> all those people who keep saying "Get help, Arnie" could
>> just have a point. It's not a condemnation, you know.
>
>No, but it is a massive long wordy sentence, which exposes quite a bit about
>how your mind fails to work properly, Paul.

It's actually two sentences, Arny. What does that say about your mind?

>> People are concerned.
>
>I wish all the *doctors* around here would fix themselves, first.

We need you to get started first, since you've got further to go.

[email protected]

September 29th 06, 02:55 PM

Jenn wrote:
> In article m>,
> wrote:
>
> > Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by miking so closely
[snip]
> >
> > TB
>
> Hi TB,
>
> Respectfully, there's no way in hell that those are real acoustic
> instruments. It is a synth. The triangle is real; a terrible
> instrument, but real.

Note that in the above post I was refering only to the triangle and the
kitchen utensil, not the "trumpets" etc.

TB

[email protected]

September 29th 06, 03:06 PM

Eeyore wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by miking so closely
> > low frequency components are picked up that would normally not be heard
> > or recorded in an orchestral setting. Arny's triangle recording is not
> > al all how a triangle sounds a few feet or more away. It's similar to
> > the bass cancelation of dipolar speakers at normal distance due to the
> > front and back waves meeting. However if you put a microphone right
> > next to the speaker diaphragm of such a speaker the mike will pick up
> > the bass full strength. Sorry I'm not more eloquent in my description.
>
> I assume you mean the proximity effect that occurs with pressure gradient (
> directional ) mics as opposed to pressure operated.
>
> Graham

No, I mean if you (lightly!) strike a triangle or bell or iron skillet
etc. an inch from your ear the low frequency components will be more
prominent than if you strike it at arms length. There are tones in that
triangle file that simply would not be heard at all from 10 feet away.

TB

Arny Krueger

September 29th 06, 03:31 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Eeyore wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by
>>> miking so closely low frequency components are picked
>>> up that would normally not be heard or recorded in an
>>> orchestral setting. Arny's triangle recording is not al
>>> all how a triangle sounds a few feet or more away. It's
>>> similar to the bass cancelation of dipolar speakers at
>>> normal distance due to the front and back waves
>>> meeting. However if you put a microphone right next to
>>> the speaker diaphragm of such a speaker the mike will
>>> pick up the bass full strength. Sorry I'm not more
>>> eloquent in my description.
>>
>> I assume you mean the proximity effect that occurs with
>> pressure gradient ( directional ) mics as opposed to
>> pressure operated.

Not applicable. The online doc for the pre-downsampling version of
recording is posted at:

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm

"24 bit 96 KHz "reference" samples were made by using 2 B&K 4007 1/2"
condenser microphones powered by an Audio Technica phantom power unit,
preamplified using a Benchmark Media mic preamp, and recorded using a CardD
Deluxe in a 800 Mhz Pentium 3 computer located in another room. They were
closely miced on-axis in a fairly small dead space. Therefore the transients
are very well-defined and harmonic-rich, technically speaking. They also
have relatively low amounts of background noise (mostly acoustic). They may
sound quite "dry" to your ears."

B&K 4007 are small omnidirectional measurement mics. About $2500 a pair.

Further information about this recording is near and in figures 11 & 12.

> No, I mean if you (lightly!) strike a triangle or bell or
> iron skillet etc. an inch from your ear the low frequency
> components will be more prominent than if you strike it
> at arms length. There are tones in that triangle file
> that simply would not be heard at all from 10 feet away.

I'm still struggling to determine what the mechanism would be for this.

Jenn

September 29th 06, 04:04 PM

In article . com>,
wrote:

> Jenn wrote:
> > In article m>,
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by miking so closely
> [snip]
> > >
> > > TB
> >
> > Hi TB,
> >
> > Respectfully, there's no way in hell that those are real acoustic
> > instruments. It is a synth. The triangle is real; a terrible
> > instrument, but real.
>
> Note that in the above post I was refering only to the triangle and the
> kitchen utensil, not the "trumpets" etc.
>
> TB

I see; sorry about that.

Jenn

September 29th 06, 04:25 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
>
>
> > Respectfully, there's no way in hell that those are real
> > acoustic instruments. It is a synth.
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong Jenn, but your hypothesis is that real
> trumpet players can never ever play that closely to perfect pitch and hold a
> note that steadily, that long.

You're close to part of it. Acoustic trumpets or (French Horns in the
"French Horns" file) played by humans cannot play that well in tune.
The "Trumpets" file contains notes not playable by trumpets. There is
no shift in timbre when the range shifts, particularly at the overtone
breaks of the instruments. These are SOME of the clues.

[email protected]

September 29th 06, 04:53 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> > No, I mean if you (lightly!) strike a triangle or bell or
> > iron skillet etc. an inch from your ear the low frequency
> > components will be more prominent than if you strike it
> > at arms length. There are tones in that triangle file
> > that simply would not be heard at all from 10 feet away.
>
> I'm still struggling to determine what the mechanism would be for this.

How about you do the test and see for yourself?

TB

Arny Krueger

September 29th 06, 05:00 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>>
>>> No, I mean if you (lightly!) strike a triangle or bell
>>> or iron skillet etc. an inch from your ear the low
>>> frequency components will be more prominent than if you
>>> strike it at arms length. There are tones in that
>>> triangle file that simply would not be heard at all
>>> from 10 feet away.
>>
>> I'm still struggling to determine what the mechanism
>> would be for this.
>
> How about you do the test and see for yourself?

The equipment used in the orgional test is pretty much fully dispersed.
Note from http://www.pcabx.comtechnical/sample_rates/index.htm that the
original test was done around 3/2001.

[email protected]

September 29th 06, 06:41 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > How about you do the test and see for yourself?
>
> The equipment used in the orgional test is pretty much fully dispersed.
> Note from http://www.pcabx.comtechnical/sample_rates/index.htm that the
> original test was done around 3/2001.

So your ear is fully dispersed? Can't find an iron skillet?

The test I described needs no more than those two things. I think
you've been "plugged in" too long.

TB

Arny Krueger

September 29th 06, 06:46 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com
>>> How about you do the test and see for yourself?
>>
>> The equipment used in the orgional test is pretty much
>> fully dispersed. Note from
>> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm
>> that the original test was done around 3/2001.

> So your ear is fully dispersed? Can't find an iron
> skillet?

Please have a little patience. I don't know what effect I'm supposed to be
testing for.

> The test I described needs no more than those two things.

I think that would result in a number of uncontrolled variables.

[email protected]

September 29th 06, 09:22 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ups.com
> >>> How about you do the test and see for yourself?
> >>
> >> The equipment used in the orgional test is pretty much
> >> fully dispersed. Note from
> >> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm
> >> that the original test was done around 3/2001.
>
> > So your ear is fully dispersed? Can't find an iron
> > skillet?
>
> Please have a little patience. I don't know what effect I'm supposed to be
> testing for.
>
> > The test I described needs no more than those two things.
>
> I think that would result in a number of uncontrolled variables.

I give up.

TB

Jenn

September 29th 06, 09:25 PM

In article om>,
wrote:

> Arny Krueger wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ups.com
> > > Arny Krueger wrote:
> > >> > wrote in message
> > >> ups.com
> > >>> How about you do the test and see for yourself?
> > >>
> > >> The equipment used in the orgional test is pretty much
> > >> fully dispersed. Note from
> > >> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm
> > >> that the original test was done around 3/2001.
> >
> > > So your ear is fully dispersed? Can't find an iron
> > > skillet?
> >
> > Please have a little patience. I don't know what effect I'm supposed to be
> > testing for.
> >
> > > The test I described needs no more than those two things.
> >
> > I think that would result in a number of uncontrolled variables.
>
> I give up.
>
> TB

lol

George M. Middius

September 29th 06, 10:08 PM

Timmy said:

> I give up.

..... and another Kroopologist bites the dust.

--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

paul packer

September 30th 06, 01:51 AM

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:08:23 -0400, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>Timmy said:
>
>> I give up.
>
>.... and another Kroopologist bites the dust.

Are there any left?

dizzy

September 30th 06, 03:14 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:

>"dizzy" > wrote in message

>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever you say, lady. ;-)
>>
>> Arny: Seek professional help.
>
>Yeah, that was a really nasty thing I just said to Jenn. Just horrible of me
>to be agreeable. What atrocity might I commit next?

Your claim that you were being "agreeable" is dishonest. It was very
clearly a sarcastic comment.

Mr Fox

September 30th 06, 03:26 AM

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:14:48 GMT, dizzy > wrote:

>>>> Whatever you say, lady. ;-)
>>>
>>> Arny: Seek professional help.
>>
>>Yeah, that was a really nasty thing I just said to Jenn. Just horrible of me
>>to be agreeable. What atrocity might I commit next?
>
>Your claim that you were being "agreeable" is dishonest. It was very
>clearly a sarcastic comment.

It's actually worse than that.

Bertie the Bunyip

October 2nd 06, 04:04 PM

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
>
>> The Krooborg confirms the well-known diagnosis.
>>
>> > > I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is
>> > > nothing weird about them, which bugs you to no end.
>>
>> > Whatever you say, lady. ;-)
>>
>> Arnii, I know about your legendary cheapness and all, but at this
>> point in your "life", you can surely afford to spring for one session
>> with a dominatrix. Stop putting it off and just get it over with.
>
> No, no ! That should have been.....
>
> " Whatever you say, mistress. "
>

Feeling a yearning for having a tangerine stuffed into your orifices there
brit boi?

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip

October 2nd 06, 04:27 PM

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote
>> > Eeyore > wrote:
>>
>> >> Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks
>> >> ) from Usenet. NOW !
>> >
>> > You misspelled "years".
>>
>> Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I wasn't trying to
>> hold you accountable for your weirdness.
>
> I see no weirdness from Jenn.
>

I'm sure Jenn is thrilled to bits.

Fjukktard.

Bertie

Sander deWaal

October 2nd 06, 06:57 PM

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>Paul, you have to be one of the most delusional people I know. Either that
>or a habitual writer of fantasy. Your most obviouis fantasy is your
>continual representation that you have even half a brain. Go play with
>Middius and Jenn. The three of you make a nice party.

What happened to Marc, Howard, Graham or me, Arny?

Did you notice you've made some new enemies last week?

You manage to even alienate people who largely agreed with you in the
past.

Graham Stevenson, Stewart Pinkerton, Howard Ferstler, Jim Johnston,
Dick Pierce, John Feng, Michael McKelvy, they all accepted and
respected my approach to hobby audio, and they all turned away fro you
as a person.
You're the only one raging against my preference, calling me names
like tube- and vinyl bigot.

Way to go, Arny!
You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

Sander deWaal

October 2nd 06, 06:59 PM

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>> Arny: Seek professional help.

>Yeah, that was a really nasty thing I just said to Jenn. Just horrible of me
>to be agreeable. What atrocity might I commit next?

Let's not go there.

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

George M. Middius

October 2nd 06, 08:29 PM

Sander deWaal said:

> Way to go, Arny!
> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)

Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?

--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

Mr Fox

October 2nd 06, 08:48 PM

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:59:39 +0200, Sander deWaal >
wrote:

>"Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>
>>> Arny: Seek professional help.
>
>
>>Yeah, that was a really nasty thing I just said to Jenn. Just horrible of me
>>to be agreeable. What atrocity might I commit next?
>
>
>Let's not go there.

Too late; his fatwa on the world of audio is already underway ;)

Mr Fox

October 2nd 06, 08:53 PM

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:29:08 -0400, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>Sander deWaal said:
>
>> Way to go, Arny!
>> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)
>
>Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?

He might literally go away if you stop talking about him all the time.
;)

Jenn

October 2nd 06, 11:23 PM

In article >,
Sander deWaal > wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>
> >Paul, you have to be one of the most delusional people I know. Either that
> >or a habitual writer of fantasy. Your most obviouis fantasy is your
> >continual representation that you have even half a brain. Go play with
> >Middius and Jenn. The three of you make a nice party.
>
>
> What happened to Marc, Howard, Graham or me, Arny?
>
> Did you notice you've made some new enemies last week?
>
> You manage to even alienate people who largely agreed with you in the
> past.
>
> Graham Stevenson, Stewart Pinkerton, Howard Ferstler, Jim Johnston,
> Dick Pierce, John Feng, Michael McKelvy, they all accepted and
> respected my approach to hobby audio, and they all turned away fro you
> as a person.
> You're the only one raging against my preference, calling me names
> like tube- and vinyl bigot.
>
> Way to go, Arny!
> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)

He does create his own reality, doesn't he?

paul packer

October 3rd 06, 01:46 AM

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:29:08 -0400, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>Sander deWaal said:
>
>> Way to go, Arny!
>> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)
>
>Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?

Resist the temptation, George. You can't post from prison.

George M. Middius

October 3rd 06, 02:21 AM

paul packer said:

> >> Way to go, Arny!
> >> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)

> >Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?

> Resist the temptation, George. You can't post from prison.

Borgicide has never been a scenario embraced by the Resistance. Rather, we
try to raise the Beast's self-awareness just enough for it to realize how
truly horrible its existence is. If we can achieve that goal, only a small
shove will be needed to induce the Krooborg to escape its artificially
enhanced, but still mortal, existence.

--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

Eeyore

October 3rd 06, 01:48 PM

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> paul packer said:
>
> > >> Way to go, Arny!
> > >> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)
>
> > >Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?
>
> > Resist the temptation, George. You can't post from prison.
>
> Borgicide has never been a scenario embraced by the Resistance. Rather, we
> try to raise the Beast's self-awareness just enough for it to realize how
> truly horrible its existence is. If we can achieve that goal, only a small
> shove will be needed to induce the Krooborg to escape its artificially
> enhanced, but still mortal, existence.

Your problem is that with no Borg to justify your existence your energy source will simply run out.

Graham

Bertie the Bunyip

October 3rd 06, 03:43 PM

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
>
>> paul packer said:
>>
>> > >> Way to go, Arny!
>> > >> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)
>>
>> > >Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?
>>
>> > Resist the temptation, George. You can't post from prison.
>>
>> Borgicide has never been a scenario embraced by the Resistance.
>> Rather, we try to raise the Beast's self-awareness just enough for it
>> to realize how truly horrible its existence is. If we can achieve
>> that goal, only a small shove will be needed to induce the Krooborg
>> to escape its artificially enhanced, but still mortal, existence.
>
> Your problem is that with no Borg to justify your existence your
> energy source will simply run out.

Lame

Bertie

Eeyore

October 3rd 06, 10:13 PM

Stuart Krivis wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:48:12 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
> >"George M. Middius" wrote:
> >> paul packer said:
> >>
> >> > >> Way to go, Arny!
> >> > >> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)
> >>
> >> > >Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?
> >>
> >> > Resist the temptation, George. You can't post from prison.
> >>
> >> Borgicide has never been a scenario embraced by the Resistance. Rather, we
> >> try to raise the Beast's self-awareness just enough for it to realize how
> >> truly horrible its existence is. If we can achieve that goal, only a small
> >> shove will be needed to induce the Krooborg to escape its artificially
> >> enhanced, but still mortal, existence.
> >
> >Your problem is that with no Borg to justify your existence your energy source will simply run out.
>
> So if Arny stopped posting, Middius would implode?

If only ! He'd just gradually run down. It's a little known fact that he's an assimilant himself but one
on the 'dark side'.

Graham

Bertie the Bunyip

October 4th 06, 12:07 AM

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:48:12 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
>> >"George M. Middius" wrote:
>> >> paul packer said:
>> >>
>> >> > >> Way to go, Arny!
>> >> > >> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)
>> >>
>> >> > >Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?
>> >>
>> >> > Resist the temptation, George. You can't post from prison.
>> >>
>> >> Borgicide has never been a scenario embraced by the Resistance.
>> >> Rather, we try to raise the Beast's self-awareness just enough for
>> >> it to realize how truly horrible its existence is. If we can
>> >> achieve that goal, only a small shove will be needed to induce the
>> >> Krooborg to escape its artificially enhanced, but still mortal,
>> >> existence.
>> >
>> >Your problem is that with no Borg to justify your existence your
>> >energy source will simply run out.
>>
>> So if Arny stopped posting, Middius would implode?
>
> If only ! He'd just gradually run down. It's a little known fact that
> he's an assimilant himself but one on the 'dark side'.

Why don't you just netkkop him as is your usual MO, fjukkwit?

bertie

Bertie the Bunyip

October 5th 06, 06:35 PM

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:10:59 +0000, paul packer wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:43:55 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Eeyore > wrote in
>> :
>> >>
>> >>> "George M. Middius" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> paul packer said:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > >> Way to go, Arny!
>> >>>> > >> You're a martyr, for sure! ;-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > >Can we take that notion from the figurative to the literal?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Resist the temptation, George. You can't post from prison.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Borgicide has never been a scenario embraced by the Resistance.
>> >>>> Rather, we try to raise the Beast's self-awareness just enough
>> >>>> for it to realize how truly horrible its existence is. If we can
>> >>>> achieve that goal, only a small shove will be needed to induce
>> >>>> the Krooborg to escape its artificially enhanced, but still
>> >>>> mortal, existence.
>> >>>
>> >>> Your problem is that with no Borg to justify your existence your
>> >>> energy source will simply run out.
>> >
>> > Would you like to drop off.
>> >
>> > Or post sensibly.
>> >
>> > Your choice.
>>
>> Lookit what happened to Burt Gummer when the USSR collapsed.
>>
>> (What _have_ you dragged in now, Bertie?)
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> smeeter 11 or maybe 12
>>
>> mp 10
>>
>> mhm 29x13
>>
>> Never underestimate the power of slime.
>>
>> < _The Making of_ Tremors
>
> DIE Meower !
>
> Graham
>
> Fluffy's dead btw.
>

God you're pathetic, Graham.

Bertie

Arny Krueger

October 9th 06, 01:15 PM

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote
>>> Eeyore > wrote:
>>
>>>> Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2
>>>> weeks ) from Usenet. NOW !
>>>
>>> You misspelled "years".
>>
>> Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I
>> wasn't trying to hold you accountable for your weirdness.
>
> I see no weirdness from Jenn.

You'll get over *it*.

[email protected]

October 13th 06, 07:57 PM

Jenn wrote:
> In article om>,
> wrote:
>
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ups.com
> > > > Arny Krueger wrote:
> > > >> > wrote in message
> > > >> ups.com
> > > >>> How about you do the test and see for yourself?
> > > >>
> > > >> The equipment used in the orgional test is pretty much
> > > >> fully dispersed. Note from
> > > >> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm
> > > >> that the original test was done around 3/2001.
> > >
> > > > So your ear is fully dispersed? Can't find an iron
> > > > skillet?
> > >
> > > Please have a little patience. I don't know what effect I'm supposed to be
> > > testing for.
> > >
> > > > The test I described needs no more than those two things.
> > >
> > > I think that would result in a number of uncontrolled variables.
> >
> > I give up.
> >
> > TB
>
> lol

Apologies for returning to an old thread - I have long stretches where
I don't have time to go low-priority surfing.

I now see why I couldn't have a coherent conversation with Arny. How
could someone who makes hundreds of posts in a short period follow a
non-confrontational discussion?

TB

Arny Krueger

October 14th 06, 06:43 AM

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Jenn wrote:
>> In article
>> om>,
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ups.com
>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ups.com
>>>>>>> How about you do the test and see for yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The equipment used in the orgional test is pretty
>>>>>> much fully dispersed. Note from
>>>>>> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm
>>>>>> that the original test was done around 3/2001.
>>>>
>>>>> So your ear is fully dispersed? Can't find an iron
>>>>> skillet?
>>>>
>>>> Please have a little patience. I don't know what
>>>> effect I'm supposed to be testing for.
>>>>
>>>>> The test I described needs no more than those two
>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> I think that would result in a number of uncontrolled
>>>> variables.
>>>
>>> I give up.
>>>
>>> TB
>>
>> lol
>
> Apologies for returning to an old thread - I have long
> stretches where I don't have time to go low-priority
> surfing.
>
> I now see why I couldn't have a coherent conversation
> with Arny. How could someone who makes hundreds of posts
> in a short period follow a non-confrontational discussion?

It's pretty easy to do - just stay away from RAO trolls.