[Mr Fox]

I have recorded a metal cutlery hanger at 1" from a microphone in an
enclosed space. You can download it here


http://download.yousendit.com/170C012923488321

Now compare to Mr Any Kruegers sample :

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/refer...iangle-2ds.wav


I am in no way suggesting the cutlery hanger is a musical instrument.
However how do you find Mr Kerugers sample in comparison, clarity,
decya, acoustics etc?

[Jenn]

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Mr Fox wrote:

I have recorded a metal cutlery hanger at 1" from a microphone in an
enclosed space. You can download it here


http://download.yousendit.com/170C012923488321

Now compare to Mr Any Kruegers sample :

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/refer...iangle-2ds.wav


I am in no way suggesting the cutlery hanger is a musical instrument.
However how do you find Mr Kerugers sample in comparison, clarity,
decya, acoustics etc?

I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mr Fox" wrote in message
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I have recorded a metal cutlery hanger at 1" from a microphone in an
enclosed space. You can download it here


http://download.yousendit.com/170C012923488321

Now compare to Mr Any Krueger's sample :

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/refer...iangle-2ds.wav


I am in no way suggesting the cutlery hanger is a musical instrument.

Indeed, the intial clang of the cutlery is very harsh in comparison to that
produced by the triangle.

However how do you find Mr Krueger's sample in comparison, clarity,
decay, acoustics etc?

The cutlery recording has about 30 dB less dynamic range than the triangle
recording. There is almost 20 dB more midrange noise in the cutlery
recording, suggesting that a poorer quality mic and/or mic preamp was used.
There is clear evidence of contamination by a NTSC TV set.

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate" in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

[MiNe 109]

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate" in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out when
it didn't, and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

[Jenn]

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?

and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

[Arny Krueger]

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file, delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting. This file has
only LP-type dynamic range, no doubt due to cheap equipment and/or careless
production.

You missed my comments about the fact that this file really does cut off
around -60 dB, or did you Jenn?

[Jenn]

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file, delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

[Arny Krueger]

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"Jenn" wrote in message

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than you've
ever heard it play, right?

[Jenn]

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com
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"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep. So how is that "claiming that the Triangle sample cut out when it
didn't" and how is the cutlery sample not "ringing for 9 1/2 seconds"?
I can only hear what is there, yes?

[Arny Krueger]

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com
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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
heard my file in its entirety.

Secondly, there's not a lot nice about the cutlery file, and I'm surprized
that you never noticed its obvious faults.

For example the cutlery file's inital strike is very harsh-sounding compared
to the triangle file.

It also has a rather pathological decay. The decay is not monotonic, but
rather it increases and decreases quite audibly at least 6 times before it
cuts off. The pathological decay comes from some resonances that are very
unevenly spaced, unlike a fine orchestral triangle.

Then, there's the slight matter of what the cutlery file decays into - some
rather raucuous-sounding noise at a relatively high level.

Of course having a vinyl-lover's noise gate built into your hearing Jenn,
you probably never noticed any of this.

So how is that "claiming that the Triangle sample cut out when it didn't"

You did that before the cutlery file was posted.

and how is the cutlery sample not "ringing for 9 1/2 seconds"?

You said the cutlery file had "a nice 9 1/2 second ring", when it obviously
doesn't. It is nasty and pathological compared to a regular musical
instrument triangle.

I can only hear what is there, yes?

Well Jenn, you've already claimed that you knew what my triangle file sounds
like, while you also admitted that you've never listened to most of it. No
matter, you also got relevant facts wrong about the part you heard.

[Jenn]

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the record.


Secondly, there's not a lot nice about the cutlery file, and I'm surprized
that you never noticed its obvious faults.

For example the cutlery file's inital strike is very harsh-sounding compared
to the triangle file.

It also has a rather pathological decay. The decay is not monotonic, but
rather it increases and decreases quite audibly at least 6 times before it
cuts off. The pathological decay comes from some resonances that are very
unevenly spaced, unlike a fine orchestral triangle.

Which yours isn't.


Then, there's the slight matter of what the cutlery file decays into - some
rather raucuous-sounding noise at a relatively high level.

Of course having a vinyl-lover's noise gate built into your hearing Jenn,
you probably never noticed any of this.

Incorrect, yet again. I wasn't commenting on the quality of the "music"
made by the cutlery, only that it rang for the time indicated. We were
discussing the length of the 2 files, remember?


So how is that "claiming that the Triangle sample cut out when it didn't"

You did that before the cutlery file was posted.

But BEFORE I knew that the file was actually longer, as clearly
indicated by the record.


and how is the cutlery sample not "ringing for 9 1/2 seconds"?

You said the cutlery file had "a nice 9 1/2 second ring", when it obviously
doesn't. It is nasty and pathological compared to a regular musical
instrument triangle.

Again, all I was discussing was the length of the file. Context, Arny.

[Arny Krueger]

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com
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com
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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample
cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to
your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8575d0bbb6d584

You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...13bd147769869d

End of story.

[Jenn]

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com
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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample
cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed to
your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8575d0bbb6d584

You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...13bd147769869d

End of story.

OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

[Arny Krueger]

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not
be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
sample
cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it
or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed
to
your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8575d0bbb6d584

In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded to
the invitation.

You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...13bd147769869d

In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds long.
Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To the
best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds of
my file.

End of story.

OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

Denial of the obvious, noted.

[Jenn]

oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.

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I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not
be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
sample
cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see it
or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the good
file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall I
prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as opposed
to
your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8575d0bbb6d584

In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded to
the invitation.

I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
Any normal person can see that, Arny.


You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24 pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...13bd147769869d

In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds long.

Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
BEFORE that, Arny.

Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To the
best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds of
my file.

Correct.


End of story.

OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

Denial of the obvious, noted.

Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
conclusions.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message
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oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.

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,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would
not
be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a
built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low
levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
sample
cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see
it
or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the
good
file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall
I
prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as
opposed
to
your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8575d0bbb6d584

In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded
to
the invitation.

I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
Any normal person can see that, Arny.


You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you
quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24
pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...13bd147769869d

In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds
long.

Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
BEFORE that, Arny.

Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To
the
best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds
of
my file.

Correct.


End of story.

OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

Denial of the obvious, noted.

Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
conclusions.

So what are you saying Jenn, that 9:29 when you commented quality, is before
9:24 when you quoted the correct length?

Interesting. ;-)

[Mr Fox]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:54:24 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"Mr Fox" wrote in message
.. .
I have recorded a metal cutlery hanger at 1" from a microphone in an
enclosed space. You can download it here


http://download.yousendit.com/170C012923488321

Now compare to Mr Any Krueger's sample :

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/refer...iangle-2ds.wav


I am in no way suggesting the cutlery hanger is a musical instrument.

Indeed, the intial clang of the cutlery is very harsh in comparison to that
produced by the triangle.

However how do you find Mr Krueger's sample in comparison, clarity,
decay, acoustics etc?

The cutlery recording has about 30 dB less dynamic range than the triangle
recording. There is almost 20 dB more midrange noise in the cutlery
recording, suggesting that a poorer quality mic and/or mic preamp was used.
There is clear evidence of contamination by a NTSC TV set.



Idiot. The point was not dynamic range; didnt even try to get that
right )I see now peramp gain right up fade down(. The point is your
'Trian'ge' rec. is 5h1t . It lacks sparkle vibrancy clarity musicality
or any other attribute. Renmarkable, this is the simplest instrument
of them all. How could you get is so wrong? Your instrument is
obviously made of lead, struck with flesh and rekorded off akis
(possibly of behind mic)

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate" in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

[Mr Fox]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:42:06 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Secondly, there's not a lot nice about the cutlery file, and I'm surprized
that you never noticed its obvious faults.

more clairity than yrs.

more musicality than the lead triangle; too


It also has a rather pathological decay. The decay is not monotonic, but
rather it increases and decreases quite audibly at least 6 times before it
cuts off. The pathological decay comes from some resonances that are very
unevenly spaced, unlike a fine orchestral triangle.

thats becaus i was holding it 1" from the mic and there was movemetn.

so, so sorry

(-never meant as 'referenc'e quality, unlike yrs)

You said the cutlery file had "a nice 9 1/2 second ring", when it obviously
doesn't.

It do.

Or are you arguing that Jenn is wrong for sayings its nice?

A subjective matter, surely.




PS can hire out the culterly hanger @ $10/day

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

...
oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.

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"Jenn" wrote in message
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"MiNe 109" wrote in message

...
In article
,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would
not
be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a
built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low
levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has
failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
sample
cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see
it
or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the
good
file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall
I
prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in
the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as
opposed
to
your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8575d0bbb6d584

In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn responded
to
the invitation.

I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
Any normal person can see that, Arny.


You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you
quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24
pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...13bd147769869d

In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds
long.

Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
BEFORE that, Arny.

Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To
the
best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds
of
my file.

Correct.


End of story.

OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I comment
on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

Denial of the obvious, noted.

Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
conclusions.

So what are you saying Jenn, that 9:29 when you commented quality, is before
9:24 when you quoted the correct length?

Interesting. ;-)

When did I make comment on the length of the file, Arny?

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
oooo! An attack thread with my name in it! Goose...gander.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

...
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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
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com
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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article
,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would
not
be
aware
of
any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a
built-in
"noise
gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low
levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn
has
failed
the
noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle
sample
cut
out
when
it didn't,

I offered to send you the screen shot. Do you want to see
it
or
not?

I can make one of my own any day I want to. Just take the
good
file,
delete
some of it, and do the screen dump.

Since you obviously don't trust me for some reason, how shall
I
prove
to
you that the file as I received it is how I say it is?


and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present
in
the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

You don't hear it for 9 1/2 seconds?

Yeah, but it cuts off before things get really interesting.

All I said was that I hear a nice 9 1/2 second ring, as
opposed
to
your
file. IOW, I stated the facts exactly as they are.

Actually, "things as they are" involve my file being far longer
than
you've
ever heard it play, right?

Yep.

First off Jenn, you just indicted yourself for judging my file and
publishing your judgements of my file, fully knowing that you have
never
heard my file in its entirety.

Incorrect, yet again. Check the record. I commented before I knew
that
the file is longer than what I heard. If you disagree, quote the
record.

Your last comment on my file was posted at 9:29pm last night, in a
discussion of your comparison of it to the cutlery file:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8575d0bbb6d584

In this file a comparison of the two files was invited and Jenn
responded to
the invitation.

I responded to it without comment on the length or quality of your file.
Any normal person can see that, Arny.


You have known that my file was at least 4 seconds long since you
quoted
that fact in a reply to a post from "Mr. Fox" that you posted at 9:24
pm
last night:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...13bd147769869d

In this post Jenn quoted a post that confirmed my file was 4 seconds
long.

Correct. And my comments about the quality and length of your file came
BEFORE that, Arny.

Jenn had previously said that she heard only a shorter segment of it. To
the
best of my knowlege, Jenn has never reported hearing the whole 4 seconds
of
my file.

Correct.


End of story.

OMG...the density is startling. Where in the above sites did I
comment
on the quality of your files? Stop lying.

Denial of the obvious, noted.

Normal people can read and see that I commented about the length and
quality of your files BEFORE I could have known that the file was longer
than I was hearing on my computer. You can't. Draw your own
conclusions.

So what are you saying Jenn, that 9:29 when you commented quality, is
before 9:24 when you quoted the correct length?

Interesting. ;-)

Arny, you really are pathetic. You are twisting all this in an attempt to
savage Jenn, when anybody who followed the thread knows she is telling the
truth. You really make a mockery of your Christianity. Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on your need for
self-agrandizement.

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

I would expect that vinyl uber alles advocates would not be aware of any
of
these failings, since many of them seem to have a built-in "noise gate"
in
their hearing, that cuts off small details and low levels.

No, they don't.

Facts say otherwise. Live with it. I notice that Jenn has failed the noise
gate test two ways. First, she claimed that the Triangle sample cut out when
it didn't, and then she didn't notice the cut out that was present in the
cutlery hanger sample.

She said and I quote:

"I get a nice 9 1/2 second ring."

It's not a test.

Stephen

[paul packer]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:21:27 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
wrote:


Arny, you really are pathetic. You are twisting all this in an attempt to
savage Jenn, when anybody who followed the thread knows she is telling the
truth. You really make a mockery of your Christianity. Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on your need for
self-agrandizement.

Did you know that many psychologists won't work with people with
personality disorder, especially if they're intelligent? Most lack
self-awareness, and will use their intelligence to justify the
oddities of their disorder until the psychologist begins to wonder if
it's HE who's wrong. If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on
Usenet defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and burning all
order and logic, what do you suppose a psychologist is likely to
achieve?

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message


Arny, you really are pathetic.

No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is called being
factual.

You are twisting all this
in an attempt to savage Jenn,

No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable for her statements.

when anybody who followed
the thread knows she is telling the truth.

The facts tell a different story.

You really make a mockery of your Christianity.

Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into a tool that allows
him to be dominant over Christians.

Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
your need for self-agrandizement.

What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't know that very many
so-called subjectivists on this group would twist the truth anyway including
loose to thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she created for
herself by being poorly informed and arrogant? The consequences of her
self-impalement won't be pretty.

There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I will be the payee.
It's the high price of telling the truth to people who like you love Harry,
who love their lives of self-serving illusions.

[Eeyore]

paul packer wrote:

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:21:27 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
wrote:

Arny, you really are pathetic. You are twisting all this in an attempt to
savage Jenn, when anybody who followed the thread knows she is telling the
truth. You really make a mockery of your Christianity. Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on your need for
self-agrandizement.

Did you know that many psychologists won't work with people with
personality disorder, especially if they're intelligent? Most lack
self-awareness, and will use their intelligence to justify the
oddities of their disorder until the psychologist begins to wonder if
it's HE who's wrong. If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on
Usenet defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and burning all
order and logic, what do you suppose a psychologist is likely to
achieve?

It's plain silly.

Graham

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" wrote in message


If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on Usenet
defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and
burning all order and logic, what do you suppose a
psychologist is likely to achieve?

Pretending I'm not disliked as I clearly am?

LOL!

Generally slashing and burning all order and logic on RAO?

LOL!

There ain't nuttin' there among you folks to burn.

Paul, you have to be one of the most delusional people I know. Either that
or a habitual writer of fantasy. Your most obviouis fantasy is your
continual representation that you have even half a brain. Go play with
Middius and Jenn. The three of you make a nice party.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

Did you know that many psychologists won't work with people with
personality disorder, especially if they're intelligent? Most lack
self-awareness, and will use their intelligence to justify the
oddities of their disorder until the psychologist begins to wonder if
it's HE who's wrong. If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on
Usenet defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and burning all
order and logic, what do you suppose a psychologist is likely to
achieve?

You may be selling short the benefits of pharmaceuticals.



--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message


Arny, you really are pathetic.

No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is called being
factual.

You are twisting all this
in an attempt to savage Jenn,

No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable for her statements.

when anybody who followed
the thread knows she is telling the truth.

The facts tell a different story.

You really make a mockery of your Christianity.

Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into a tool that allows
him to be dominant over Christians.

Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
your need for self-agrandizement.

What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't know that very many
so-called subjectivists on this group would twist the truth anyway including
loose to thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she created for
herself by being poorly informed and arrogant? The consequences of her
self-impalement won't be pretty.

There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I will be the payee.
It's the high price of telling the truth to people who like you love Harry,
who love their lives of self-serving illusions.

That's one of the funniest posts I've ever read. lol

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message


Arny, you really are pathetic.

No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is called being
factual.

You are twisting all this
in an attempt to savage Jenn,

No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable for her statements.

when anybody who followed
the thread knows she is telling the truth.

The facts tell a different story.

You really make a mockery of your Christianity.

Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into a tool that allows
him to be dominant over Christians.

Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
your need for self-agrandizement.

What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't know that very many
so-called subjectivists on this group would twist the truth anyway
including loose to thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she
created for herself by being poorly informed and arrogant? The
consequences of her self-impalement won't be pretty.

There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I will be the payee.
It's the high price of telling the truth to people who like you love
Harry, who love their lives of self-serving illusions.

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the process of "losing
it" while writing the above?

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message


Arny, you really are pathetic.

No, I'm doing something that you hate Harry, and that is
called being factual.

You are twisting all this
in an attempt to savage Jenn,

No, I'm doing her the favor of holding her accountable
for her statements.
when anybody who followed
the thread knows she is telling the truth.

The facts tell a different story.

You really make a mockery of your Christianity.

Harry obviously believes in twisting Christitanity into
a tool that allows him to be dominant over Christians.

Better you should
spend time getting a psychologist to work with you on
your need for self-agrandizement.

What self-aggrandizement? Do you think that I didn't
know that very many so-called subjectivists on this
group would twist the truth anyway including loose to
thy to help Jenn wriggle out of the situation she
created for herself by being poorly informed and
arrogant? The consequences of her self-impalement won't
be pretty. There's going to be hell to pay for Jenn's flame-out, I
will be the payee. It's the high price of telling the
truth to people who like you love Harry, who love their
lives of self-serving illusions.

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the
process of "losing it" while writing the above?

No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since then have shown.
Thanks for helping, Harry.

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Harry Lavo" wrote

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the
process of "losing it" while writing the above?

No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since then have shown.
Thanks for helping, Harry.

No.

You have indeed 'lost it'.

Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks ) from Usenet. NOW
!

Graham

[Jenn]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Harry Lavo" wrote

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in the
process of "losing it" while writing the above?

No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since then have shown.
Thanks for helping, Harry.

No.

You have indeed 'lost it'.

Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks ) from Usenet. NOW
!

You misspelled "years".

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in
message

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Harry Lavo" wrote

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in
the process of "losing it" while writing the above?

No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since
then have shown. Thanks for helping, Harry.

No.

You have indeed 'lost it'.

Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks
) from Usenet. NOW !

You misspelled "years".

Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I wasn't trying to
hold you accountable for your weirdness.

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Harry Lavo" wrote

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in
the process of "losing it" while writing the above?

No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since
then have shown. Thanks for helping, Harry.

No.

You have indeed 'lost it'.

Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2 weeks
) from Usenet. NOW !

You misspelled "years".

Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I wasn't trying to
hold you accountable for your weirdness.

I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is nothing weird about
them, which bugs you to no end.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in
message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
message

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Harry Lavo" wrote

Does anybody else get the impression that Arny was in
the process of "losing it" while writing the above?

No, I was being prophetic as any number of posts since
then have shown. Thanks for helping, Harry.

No.

You have indeed 'lost it'.

Please - for your own good, take a break ( say 1-2
weeks ) from Usenet. NOW !

You misspelled "years".

Yeah Jenn, just think how much *good* you could do if I
wasn't trying to hold you accountable for your weirdness.

I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is
nothing weird about them, which bugs you to no end.

Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg confirms the well-known diagnosis.

I'm 100% accountable for my statements and there is
nothing weird about them, which bugs you to no end.

Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

Arnii, I know about your legendary cheapness and all, but at this point in
your "life", you can surely afford to spring for one session with a
dominatrix. Stop putting it off and just get it over with.



--

I drank chocolate milk through a peeled banana in middle school.How about that? ;-)
A. Krooger, Sept. 2006

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Both sound like real "instruments" to me. However, by miking so closely
low frequency components are picked up that would normally not be heard
or recorded in an orchestral setting. Arny's triangle recording is not
al all how a triangle sounds a few feet or more away. It's similar to
the bass cancelation of dipolar speakers at normal distance due to the
front and back waves meeting. However if you put a microphone right
next to the speaker diaphragm of such a speaker the mike will pick up
the bass full strength. Sorry I'm not more eloquent in my description.

TB

Mr Fox wrote:
I have recorded a metal cutlery hanger at 1" from a microphone in an
enclosed space. You can download it here


http://download.yousendit.com/170C012923488321

Now compare to Mr Any Kruegers sample :

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/refer...iangle-2ds.wav


I am in no way suggesting the cutlery hanger is a musical instrument.
However how do you find Mr Kerugers sample in comparison, clarity,
decya, acoustics etc?

[dizzy]

Arny Krueger wrote:

Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

Arny: Seek professional help.

[Arny Krueger]

"dizzy" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

Whatever you say, lady. ;-)

Arny: Seek professional help.

Yeah, that was a really nasty thing I just said to Jenn. Just horrible of me
to be agreeable. What atrocity might I commit next?

[paul packer]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:02:36 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message


If Arnie is prepared to spend years here on Usenet
defending indefensible positions, pretending he's not as
disliked as he clearly is, and generally slashing and
burning all order and logic, what do you suppose a
psychologist is likely to achieve?

Pretending I'm not disliked as I clearly am?

LOL!

I hear laughter, Arnie, but I don't see a rational rebuttal.

Generally slashing and burning all order and logic on RAO?

LOL!

There's that laughter again. You know what they say about people who
continually laugh for no apparent reason.

There ain't nuttin' there among you folks to burn.

Paul, you have to be one of the most delusional people I know.

That's only because you don't know yourself, which is exactly what I
said.

Either that or a habitual writer of fantasy.

Yes, I do like to write fiction. On this occasion, however, I was
sticking to the facts.

Your most obviouis fantasy is your
continual representation that you have even half a brain.

How does one "represent" intelligence? Either it's there or it's not,
and if it's not the evidence will soon mount. I don't believe you're
unintelligent--not for a moment. I greatly envy your technical
knowledge and skills. But you have a personality problem involving
self-esteem and self-awareness, which are often intertwined, and it
would be wise if, in the midst of your rabid denials, you considered
the possibility that all those people who keep saying "Get help,
Arnie" could just have a point. It's not a condemnation, you know.
People are concerned.

Go play with
Middius and Jenn. The three of you make a nice party.

I don't think either of them would like me to play with them, but I do
see what you mean.