No grounding Wire for turntable sony

[yu]

I have a Sony direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate
grounding wire. was it designed like that or its missing. Is there a
solution? Thanks!

[Trevor Wilson]

"yu" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I have a Sony direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate
> grounding wire. was it designed like that or its missing.

**Probably.

Is there a
> solution?

**For what? Is there a problem?

> Thanks!

**You're welcome.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[yu]

Hi

As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
wire.

Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
wire?

Thank you.

Sorry, i am poor in english.

[[email protected]]

yu wrote:

> Hi
>
> As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
> direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
> wire.
>
> Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
> all Turntables come with a grounding wire?
>
> and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
> a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
> wire?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Sorry, i am poor in english.

Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire, only because I
haven't seen one yet that didn't. I had a direct drive Sony (PSX70 I
think), and it had a grounding wire built into the phono cables. No
worries, you can easily add a grounding wire.
One end would be connected to a screw terminal on the back of your
amplifier. The other would go to the turntable. Now you might find a
grounding screw on the back of the turntable. If not, you have to open
up the bottom of the turntable. I would ground it to the base of the
tonearm inside the turntable, unless you find an appropriate grounding
screw elsewhere (that has a wire running to the tonearm). Look to see
where the phono cables lead to, inside the turntable.

[Trevor Wilson]

"yu" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hi
>
> As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
> direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
> wire.

**And, as I asked: Is there a problem?

>
> Was it designed like that or its missing?

**It may have been designed that way. Is there a problem?

as in is it mandatory that
> all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

**No.

>
> and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
> a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
> wire?

**If there is no problem, ignore the other idiot and don't touch anything.

We have a saying in the technical business:

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

IOW:

If a thing works fine, don't touch it.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[[email protected]]

Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > yu wrote:
> > Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
> > like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
> > get him anyway.
>
> **You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.

I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
git. Your answers were worthless and insulting, and now we can see why.
If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere. You
wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
you in the face with one.

You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

I suggest you pick it up at the front desk before you're consumed by
your own rage.

[Arny Krueger]

"yu" > wrote in message
ups.com


> As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I
> have a Sony direct drive turntable but the turntable has
> no separate grounding wire.

Does it need an added grounding wire?

IOW, are you having problems with hum?

> Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it
> mandatory that all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

Not all turntables come with a separate grounding wire.

"If it is not broken, don't fix it."

[Clyde Slick]

"Trevor Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> yu wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
>>> direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
>>> wire.
>>>
>>> Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
>>> all Turntables come with a grounding wire?
>>>
>>> and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
>>> a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
>>> wire?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sorry, i am poor in english.
>>
>> Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
>> like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
>> get him anyway.
>
> **You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.
> Your answers are as follows:
>
>>
>> I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire,
>
> **Utter and complete bull****. If you don't know the ****ing answers, then
> I suggest you keep your stupid trap shut. MANY turntables are and have
> been supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.
>
>
> only because I
>> haven't seen one yet that didn't.
>
> **So, what's your point? That you have bugger all experience? That much is
> obvious.
>
> I had a direct drive Sony (PSX70 I
>> think), and it had a grounding wire built into the phono cables. No
>> worries, you can easily add a grounding wire.
>
> **Utter, banal nonsense. Adding a ground wire is more likely to CAUSE
> problems, assuming there is no problem to start with. If the OP is not
> experiencing any hum problems, then no extra grounding wire will help. It
> will, in fact, cause problems.
>
>> One end would be connected to a screw terminal on the back of your
>> amplifier. The other would go to the turntable. Now you might find a
>> grounding screw on the back of the turntable. If not, you have to open
>> up the bottom of the turntable. I would ground it to the base of the
>> tonearm inside the turntable, unless you find an appropriate grounding
>> screw elsewhere (that has a wire running to the tonearm). Look to see
>> where the phono cables lead to, inside the turntable.
>
> **Oh, you are a real moron. I suggest you stick to your day job and leave
> audio problems to professionals, who don't dish out bogus advice.
>

His day job is as a paychaitrist.
As a mental health professional, he can
straighten out your meds. Amateur morons
like you shouldn't be fooling around with that stuff.



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[dave weil]

On 14 Mar 2006 00:07:13 -0800, wrote:

>
>yu wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
>> direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
>> wire.
>>
>> Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
>> all Turntables come with a grounding wire?
>>
>> and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
>> a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
>> wire?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sorry, i am poor in english.
>
>Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
>like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
>get him anyway.
>
>I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire, only because I
>haven't seen one yet that didn't.

I've got a Rega RB250 tonearm knocking around the house and it doesn't
have a separate grounding wire. It's grounded internally.

I"ve seen others without the grounding wire, but I can't remember
specifics.

So, no, all turntables (or, more accurately, all tonearms), don't come
with a separate grounding wire.

[Walt]

wrote:
> Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:
> wrote in message>>

>>>Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
>>>like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
>>>get him anyway.
>>
>>**You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.
>
>
> I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
> git. Your answers were worthless and insulting, and now we can see why.
> If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere. You
> wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
> you in the face with one.
>
> You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

1) It's way too early in the year to give out any Kook awards

2) Trevor's post didn't even register a reading on the kook-o-meter.

Then there's always the inconvienent observation that his information
was correct and yours was not...

So, what have we learned today?

Not all turntables have ground wires.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

//Walt

[Steven Sullivan]

wrote:

> Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > >
> > > yu wrote:
> > > Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
> > > like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
> > > get him anyway.
> >
> > **You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.

> I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
> git. Your answers were worthless and insulting, and now we can see why.
> If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere. You
> wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
> you in the face with one.

> You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

Sorry, SHP, *contestants* don't get to *vote*. We'll let you know
if you've won.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

[Trevor Wilson]

> wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > yu wrote:
>> > Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
>> > like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
>> > get him anyway.
>>
>> **You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.
>
> I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
> git.

**Lemme see if I understand you correctly:

YOU replied to the OP with utterly worthless, completely wrong information
and you have the temerity to call me a stupid git?

I have news for you. And none of it is good. Not only are you an idiot, with
no clue about turntables, but you are incapable of admitting when you are
wrong.

> Your answers were worthless and insulting,

**So says the idiot who has no clue about the subject.

and now we can see why.
> If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere.


**My answers were concise, accurate and to the point. Additionally, I am not
the only one to tell the OP the same information. You, however, have
decided, in your infinite wisdom, to buck the trend and compose a bunch of
worthless information.

You
> wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
> you in the face with one.

**So says the moron. And I'll tell you something for nothing: I have 28
years experience in servicing turntables at a professional level. I've seen
pretty much all of them. Many have no grounding wires. A point you seem to
be utterly oblivious to.

>
> You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

**So says the moron. Lemme see if I understand you:

I provide concise, accurate information and YOU award me the biggest kook
rant? Yeah, right.


>
> I suggest you pick it up at the front desk before you're consumed by
> your own rage.

**I suggest you shut the **** up and let the professionals answer the
questions. I get really ****ed off by people who supply bogus and utterly
misleading information. I get even more ****ed off when those same people
refuse to acknowledge their stupidity.

So, how about it? When are you going to admit your mistake?

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[[email protected]]

Walt wrote:

> wrote:


> > Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

--------------------------------------------------------
**You ****ing idiot. My answers

**Utter and complete bull****.

don't know the ****ing answers, then I

keep your stupid trap shut

supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.

you have bugger all

**Utter, banal nonsense

**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------

> 1) It's way too early in the year to give out any Kook awards

No, it isn't. You're not going to find a bigger rant than that, in
shorter amount of space for the remainder of the year. It was a lot of
fun to watch.

> 2) Trevor's post didn't even register a reading on the kook-o-meter.

Then this much is obvious: You wouldn't know a kook rant if I hit you
with one in the face.

>
> Then there's always the inconvienent observation that his information
> was correct and yours was not...

....No, your "inconvenient observation" is merely just an opinion that
can swing both ways. It's not worth any more than anyone else's,
regardless of the value you're giving it. You should know something
about that. I've grounded decks that didn't have a wire, and lowered
the noise floor. Ergo, it _can_ help to do so. Whether you want to or
whether you need to is a decision the owner should make. Not you, not
Arny, not the KOOK, not anyone else. And whether you go on a mad,
raging, rampaging, frothing-at-the-mouth KOOK RANT because someone
might have a different opinion than you, then you're just another kook.

You people sure do make it "convenient" and inviting for people to want
to post their queries here, don't you? You either post smarmy replies
that don't help as in the case of the nutbar kook, Trevor Wilson, or
you launch profanity-laded tirades, and other assorted flak attacks,
until the OP has so many bullets flying by him, he regrets having
posted here in the first place.

For serious queries and discussions, people are better off at
rec.audio.tech, RAHE or one of the other major audio groups on Usenet.
This place, you belligerent trolls make so obvious, is _only_ for dumb
flame attacks. About the only person that has seriously tried to
discuss audio here is me. You will feel the absence of serious audio
discussion when I leave (in 5 years time), and you will miss me dearly;
of that I've no doubt.

> So, what have we learned today?

You wouldn't know a kook rant if I hit you with one in the face?

> Not all turntables have ground wires.

No one said they do.

> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

YMMV

[Trevor Wilson]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>>>
>> Then there's always the inconvienent observation that his information
>> was correct and yours was not...
>
> ...No, your "inconvenient observation" is merely just an opinion that
> can swing both ways.

**There you go, yet again. You're wrong. You are starting to understand it
and you may finally admit it. One day.

It's not worth any more than anyone else's,
> regardless of the value you're giving it. You should know something
> about that. I've grounded decks that didn't have a wire, and lowered
> the noise floor. Ergo, it _can_ help to do so.

**It can also make it worse. MUCH worse. If noise (hum) is not a problem,
then grounding a perfectly functioning turntable will, at best, be a
complete waste of time. At worst, damage may be done to the system. It is
ALWAYS best to FIRST establish if there is a problem. None of your posts has
managed to ask this, most basic, question. "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it." is an adage you would do well to remember.

Whether you want to or
> whether you need to is a decision the owner should make. Not you, not
> Arny, not the KOOK, not anyone else. And whether you go on a mad,
> raging, rampaging, frothing-at-the-mouth KOOK RANT because someone
> might have a different opinion than you, then you're just another kook.

**Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one. Not everyone knows what
they're tlaking about, when it comes to audio. You clearly lie in this
latter category. I suggest you shut the **** up and listen to those who know
what they're talking about.

>
> You people sure do make it "convenient" and inviting for people to want
> to post their queries here, don't you? You either post smarmy replies
> that don't help as in the case of the nutbar kook, Trevor Wilson, or
> you launch profanity-laded tirades, and other assorted flak attacks,
> until the OP has so many bullets flying by him, he regrets having
> posted here in the first place.

**What needs to happen is for morons, who DON"T have a ****ing clue to keep
their traps shut. Misleading information can be far more dangerous than no
information. You posted misleading information and you STILL refuse to admit
it.

>
> For serious queries and discussions, people are better off at
> rec.audio.tech, RAHE or one of the other major audio groups on Usenet.
> This place, you belligerent trolls make so obvious, is _only_ for dumb
> flame attacks. About the only person that has seriously tried to
> discuss audio here is me.

**That you information was flat out wrong, seems to have little impact on
you.

You will feel the absence of serious audio
> discussion when I leave (in 5 years time), and you will miss me dearly;
> of that I've no doubt.
>
>> So, what have we learned today?
>
> You wouldn't know a kook rant if I hit you with one in the face?
>
>> Not all turntables have ground wires.
>
> No one said they do.

**Let me remind you of these words uttered by you:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire....."

Sheesh! Get with the programme. Stand up, admit your mistake and shut the
**** up, so people who actually know what they're talking about can answer
the questions. You might even learn something.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Walt]

wrote:
> Walt wrote:

>>1) It's way too early in the year to give out any Kook awards
>
> No, it isn't. You're not going to find a bigger rant than that, in
> shorter amount of space for the remainder of the year. It was a lot of
> fun to watch.

Oh, I think I will. Hey, here comes one now:

> ...No, your "inconvenient observation" is merely just an opinion that
> can swing both ways. It's not worth any more than anyone else's,
> regardless of the value you're giving it. You should know something
> about that. I've grounded decks that didn't have a wire, and lowered
> the noise floor. Ergo, it _can_ help to do so. Whether you want to or
> whether you need to is a decision the owner should make. Not you, not
> Arny, not the KOOK, not anyone else. And whether you go on a mad,
> raging, rampaging, frothing-at-the-mouth KOOK RANT because someone
> might have a different opinion than you, then you're just another kook.
>
> You people sure do make it "convenient" and inviting for people to want
> to post their queries here, don't you? You either post smarmy replies
> that don't help as in the case of the nutbar kook, Trevor Wilson, or
> you launch profanity-laded tirades, and other assorted flak attacks,
> until the OP has so many bullets flying by him, he regrets having
> posted here in the first place.
>
> For serious queries and discussions, people are better off at
> rec.audio.tech, RAHE or one of the other major audio groups on Usenet.
> This place, you belligerent trolls make so obvious, is _only_ for dumb
> flame attacks. About the only person that has seriously tried to
> discuss audio here is me. You will feel the absence of serious audio
> discussion when I leave (in 5 years time), and you will miss me dearly;
> of that I've no doubt.

Nice work, and you've certainly outdone Trevor, but still amateurish
minor-league kookery. Wanna give it another go?

//Walt

[Steven Sullivan]

wrote:

> Walt wrote:

> > wrote:


> > > Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

> --------------------------------------------------------
> **You ****ing idiot. My answers

> **Utter and complete bull****.

> don't know the ****ing answers, then I

> keep your stupid trap shut

> supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.

> you have bugger all

> **Utter, banal nonsense

> **Oh, you are a real moron
> --------------------------------------------------------


meanwhile, SHP elevates the discourse thus:


idiot:
That's called "being an idiot" where I come from.

As was exemplified
by all the other members in subsequent posts, who took this idiot's
conclusion on his say-so.

But do you see what I mean about you being a complete and total
hypocritical idiot?

Had you not been the simple-minded idiot that you are, you'd have
realized that you once again misread something I wrote, in several ways
no less.

/

moron:
Which is
exactly why even a moron like you can accomplish that task. However, so
far as it having any meaning evidence-wise, its only evidence that
you're a moron.

Er no, moron. I'm the thread starter.

But the fact that I don't _charge_ for the tweaks IS, you
moron.

/

****ing:
So don't you ****ing sit there on your high
horse and unilaterally "declare" to me that nobody tries every insane
idea out there.

/
stupid:
I was wondering what you were mumbling about again, because for a
few seconds, I forgot what a stupid presumptious imbecile you are.

And if he has the cheek to point out what a stupid, ignorant,
closed-minded, herd-following sheep that I am for treating his ideas
with total disregard, and dismissing them without evidence or trial,
then I'll smack him with a bunch of fives, I will.

The funny part is, although you're too stupid to have gotten it,
you just admitted you're incredibly stupid.

I didn't realize you were that stupid, that you couldn't
understand the question.

Now you've said some truly stupid, wrongful things in the time that
I've been reading you, Kreuger.

For the record, you fools can say what you want, but I don't consider
myself either a "subjectivist", an "objectivist", a "borg" or any of
these other absurd, stupid labels you people keep slapping each other
with.


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"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

[Trevor Wilson]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Mr. Wilson. Have you considered the advances in modern medicine in the
> last 100 years?

**Your feeble attempt to change the topic is duly noted. We're discussing
grounding wires on turntables. Do try to stay on topic, if you can manage
it.

Have you considered that:

1) An acknowledgement that you are incorrect in the following statement (by
you):

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire....."

Would be an appropriate action to take? Or will you continue to ignore your
mistake?

2) That an apology for the following words:

"Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step."

And:

"You wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
you in the face with one."

Would be appropriate?

My wide and deep experience with all facets of the audio business is well
known to most here (except you, it seems). My experience with turntables is
similarly broad. I KNOW, for instance, that many turntables are designed NOT
to be operated with an extra ground wire. I KNOW that such turntables may
exhibit faults when an extra, unneeded ground wire is connected. Apparently,
you do not.

So, what's happening? Do you imagine that your previous, incorrect,
statements have suddenly dissappeared?

If you wish, keep up your stupidity. As long as you refuse to admit your
error, you will continue to look more and more foolish. Are you incapable of
seeing this?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[[email protected]]

Trevor Wilson, aka "The Energizer Bunny Of Rage", wrote:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >


<award-winning kook rant snipped>


> error, you will continue to look more and more foolish. Are you incapable of
> seeing this?
>
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.RAGEaudio.com.au

Oh shut yer gob already, you arrogant prick. I'm sorry if it enrages
you to realize that your opinion is as worthless as anyone else's. But
that's your problem. Deal with it. With an imbecile of your stature, I
know well that I couldn't knock a lick of sense into you if I used a
sledgehammer, so this conversation is terminated. It already was, since
I didn't read a word you said in any of your stupid pointless tirades.
But you can continue your angry monologues of rage all you want, and
maybe one day when your batteries run out and you've stopped banging
your head against the desk, you'll look around and realize that no one
actually cares about anything you have to spew. Including the OP, and
especially me. LOL!

[[email protected]]

Trevor Wilson, tearing out what little hair he has left, wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Trevor Wilson, aka "The Energizer Bunny Of Rage", wrote:
> >
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...



<award-winning kook rant from Trevor The Energizer Bunny Of Rage -
snipped>


> **MY OPINION is that you are a complete ****wit. My STATEMENTS about

> **Of course. You're a ****wit. You have no desire to listen to anyone who

> **Bugger! Now I'm going to lose sleep.

> Trevor Wilson
> www.RAGEAHOLICaudio.com.au

Nice kook rant again, Trevor. <grabs beer and popcorn> You're already a
shoe-in for the net kook award of 2006, you don't need to up your
chances with yet another crazy tirade. But I accept your apology that
you were wrong, that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are, and that you're an
ignorant, lying, ranting, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic
prick.The next time someone asks for advice on tuning their turntables,
if that's the best you can do, then I suggest you shut your ignorant
face and move on. You're no help, you're a bloody nuisance.

[Fella]

wrote:
>
> Nice kook rant again, Trevor.

Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
you, just answer the question.

I've, from day one, held the position that you are an insincere troll.
But having read that pwb site last night I realize that at quantum level
of existence or somesuch there might not ever be right or wrong as we
know it. This is why I am asking.

[[email protected]]

Fella wrote:

> wrote:
> >
> > Nice kook rant again, Trevor.
>
> Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
> you, just answer the question.

Are you demanding that I answer the question, or are you just lazy, and
forgot to include the missing words of politeness "I would like you
to"? For now, I'll assume you were lazy. But if it ever even looks like
you're demanding a question of me again, your response will be either
silence or a clip around the ear so sharp, it'll leave you wondering
where it came from.

I think that in the example given above, both of us were right and
wrong. With the severely limited thinkers around here, the issue is
always "black" or "white". Hence the endless flame wars. The only way
to get most RAO regulars (including you) to understand a point is to
slam a brick in their face. Subtlety... they're not so good with. Case
in point: Trevor Wilson, the Energizer Bunny Of Rage. An insecure man,
unable to see, let alone admit all the areas where he was wrong, and
trying to be deliberately deceitful in addition with his mismanagement
of my words, because he's that insecure. So no, there's no incentive
for me to discuss the reasoning behind my responses. In the end,
whether I'm perceived as being right or wrong by him or anyone else
here, matters not a whit to me. I know where I'm right and where I'm
wrong. I don't share the insecurities that most everyone here has, with
a pressing need for others to know.

> I've, from day one, held the position that you are an insincere troll.

So then you don't know the difference between right and wrong, do you?
You let your fear and your prejudice guide you toward the truth. That
never works, except by chance.

> But having read that pwb site last night I realize that at quantum level
> of existence or somesuch there might not ever be right or wrong as we
> know it. This is why I am asking.

Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass. You realize they do have a
basis in quantum mechanics. Yet you still hold the position that I'm an
insincere troll. Don't think for a moment that I care about any silly
stupid childish names you wish to call me, or the idiotic and wrongful
ways that you perceive me. But I find that your perceptions say a lot
about you, your prejudices, your ignorance, your fear, your shallow
primitive mind, and the "herd mentality" that rules your life. I have
no doubt that if 50,000 audiophiles tried my tweaks and found them
effective, you would have another view of both me and the techniques.
And with your fear calmed somewhat, you would be much more prepared to
try them. But don't change a thing about your behaviour, on my behalf.
Because I'm trying to make a point. You may think of yourself as an
independently-minded but you're not. You're sheep. People tell you
where to go, and what to think. And you go there, and you think that.

Quantum mechanics is a discipline so complex, nobody here, including
you, even has the wherewithal to understand it. So it's no surprise
that everyone here is far too stupid to understand how the Beltist
tweaks may be valid, and so they allow their dumb blind ignorance and
ugly prejudice to decide whether there is any merit to them. Instead of
letting anything silly like "scientific curiousity" get in the way of
your prejudice. My estimation of you is that you're about as much a
true audiophile as Ghandi was Gengis Kahn. Being a real audiophile or
audio hobbyist doesn't just mean buying whatever the heck is the latest
and greatest piece of gear.

[Steven Sullivan]

wrote:


> Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
> posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass.


No, Peter Belt pulled them out of his, and passed them on to you.


When someone selling something starts babbling about quantum mechanics,
consumers should hide their wallets and reach for their guns.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

[Walt]

wrote:
> Fella wrote:
wrote:
>>
>>> I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire
>>
>>Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
>>you, just answer the question.
>
> I think that in the example given above, both of us were right and
> wrong.

Um, no. You said that all turntables come with a ground wire. That's
false. You were wrong. If you had any integrity you'd just say "gee, I
didn't know that." and move on.

<kook rant snipped>

//Walt

P.S. Are you any relation to Bob Ladbury? 'Cause you sure sound like him.

[[email protected]]

Steven Sullivan wrote:

> wrote:
>
>
> > Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
> > posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass.
>
>
> No, Peter Belt pulled them out of his, and passed them on to you.

Prove it.

> When someone selling something starts babbling about quantum mechanics,
> consumers should hide their wallets and reach for their guns.

Then do so. Knowing what an incompetent imbecile you are, you would
probably shoot yourself in the face, and be doing the world a great
favour. Although it doesn't ever seem to occur to you, everything
you've ever said to me on this group, you've pulled out of your ass.
That's because you've not provided factual evidence to support a single
solitary stupid thing you've ever insisted on spewing before me. Most
amazing to me, is that you claim to be a scientist, if I recall. I know
scientists, Mr. Sullivan. Scientists are friends of mine. You're no
scientist. No one as willfully ignorant, or dogmatically arrogant, and
scientifically oblivious could possibly and credibly claim to be one.
Your ignorance of a given phenonemon because of your lack of knowledge
about quantum mechanics makes your statement above risible and quite
meaningless. Your debating and social skills are about as **** poor as
your reasoning and logic skills. Now you've already proven what an
idiot you are dozens of times over, so why exactly do you keep stalking
me from thread to thread? Now hop the twig, you arrogant twit.

___
-SHP
"Not true. I have been cleared of all child molestation charges." -
Steven Sullivan

[Trevor Wilson]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Trevor Wilson, tearing out what little hair he has left, wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Trevor Wilson, aka "The Energizer Bunny Of Rage", wrote:
>> >
>> >> > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>
>
>
> <award-winning kook rant from Trevor The Energizer Bunny Of Rage -
> snipped>
>
>
>> **MY OPINION is that you are a complete ****wit. My STATEMENTS about
>
>> **Of course. You're a ****wit. You have no desire to listen to anyone who
>
>> **Bugger! Now I'm going to lose sleep.
>
>> Trevor Wilson
>> www.RAGEAHOLICaudio.com.au
>
> Nice kook rant again, Trevor. <grabs beer and popcorn> You're already a
> shoe-in for the net kook award of 2006, you don't need to up your
> chances with yet another crazy tirade. But I accept your apology that
> you were wrong,

**Nope. Not once. When you stated:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

You were wrong. Why you don't acknowledge that you were wrong is a complete
mystery.

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
> selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?


and that you're an
> ignorant, lying, ranting, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic
> prick.

**Well, that is an opinion you get to have. I am also a prick who knows more
than a little about audio. I know, for instance, that many turntables are
designed to be operated without grounding wires. Let's examine your words,
shall we?

* Ignorant. Not about audio, I'm not. I am quite well versed in most areas
of the audio business. If you feel otherwise, then you need to prove it.
* Lying. Prove it. Cite your evidence.
* Ranting. An opinion. Don't forget, you slimey piece of ****, YOU began
this little war, when you said: "Sorry for the response from the last idiot.
This place is full of turds like that, so you have to watch where you step."
I am comfortable in lowering my standards to those of my opponent. You want
to hold a rational, reasonable discussion? I'm ready when you are.
* Frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic. Er, nope. However, you may present your
evidence at your leisure.
* Prick. I can be. No shame in that.


The next time someone asks for advice on tuning their turntables,
> if that's the best you can do,

**My advice was concise, accurate and to the point. I also asked the
relevant questions, which my years as a service person has taught me is
utterly essential.The first step to solve a problem is to establish if there
is, actually, a problem. If there is no problem, then the solution is at
hand. Something you would do well to remember. I encounter such things every
day. People make a big deal about non-issues and often cause more problems
than they PERCIEVED that they already had.


then I suggest you shut your ignorant
> face and move on.

**You can suggest all you want.

> You're no help, you're a bloody nuisance.

**On the contrary. Your assistance was worse then useless. Mine was concise,
accurate and to the point. Curt? Perhaps. Some people need to be smacked
over the head in order to understand things.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Walt]

wrote:
> Walt lied::
wrote:
>>>Fella wrote:
wrote:
>>>><abusive internet kook nonsense snipped>

>>>>>I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire

>>You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.
>
> That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.

Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
with a grounding wire"

Now, would your like the 5 minute introductory argument, or do you want
to pay for the full hour, Bob.

//Walt

[dave weil]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:

> that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
>> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
>
>**What? Like:
>
>"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
>
>That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
>reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.

Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
fairly familiar with Rega products. But that's a different matter
entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
to the conclusion in the first place).

[dave weil]

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:45:38 -0500, Walt >
wrote:

>>>You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.
>>
>> That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.
>
>Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
>with a grounding wire"

As I pointed out to Trevor, no, that's not *exactly* what he said.

[Walt]

dave weil wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:45:38 -0500, Walt wrote:
>
>>>>You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.
>>>
>>>That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.
>>
>>Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
>>with a grounding wire"
>
> As I pointed out to Trevor, no, that's not *exactly* what he said.

Ok, I left out the part where he said why he came to that conclusion
(lack of experience). I also left out the part where he called
everybody a turd and Trevor an idiot. Do I have to quote the entire
post, abuse included? Normally, just the relevant factual parts are
sufficient.

//Walt

[Trevor Wilson]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> > wrote:
>
>> that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
>>> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
>>
>>**What? Like:
>>
>>"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
>>
>>That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
>>reality?
>
> Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
> that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
> had never seen such a turntable.

**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:

"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
trying to solve?"

Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
me) then I would have no issue with his response.

>
> Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
> fairly familiar with Rega products. But that's a different matter
> entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
> to the conclusion in the first place).

**Not only Regas. Many European turntables have been supplied without
grounding wires. Dual, Elac, B&O and many others. More interesting is this
alleged "Brit's" use of the term "grounding". 'Earthing' is the term used by
Poms (and Aussies), not grounding. A minor point, perhaps. Many of us alter
our terminology so Americans can understand our meaning.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[dave weil]

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:27:27 -0500, Walt >
wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:45:38 -0500, Walt wrote:
>>
>>>>>You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.
>>>>
>>>>That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.
>>>
>>>Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
>>>with a grounding wire"
>>
>> As I pointed out to Trevor, no, that's not *exactly* what he said.
>
>Ok, I left out the part where he said why he came to that conclusion
>(lack of experience). I also left out the part where he called
>everybody a turd and Trevor an idiot. Do I have to quote the entire
>post, abuse included? Normally, just the relevant factual parts are
>sufficient.

Well, when you say, "yes, this is exactly what you said", I think yes,
you would need to provide context and any qualifying statements.

And the same goes to Trevor's statement. The point is, he qualified
his statement. He didn't categorically make that statement.

That's all.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
>>>> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
>>>
>>>**What? Like:
>>>
>>>"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
>>>
>>>That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
>>>reality?
>>
>> Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
>> that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
>> had never seen such a turntable.
>
>**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:
>
>"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
>trying to solve?"
>
>Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
>me) then I would have no issue with his response.

Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
the first sentence, right? Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
make "unnecessary insults"?

[Trevor Wilson]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
>>>>> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
>>>>
>>>>**What? Like:
>>>>
>>>>"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
>>>>
>>>>That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to
>>>>reflect
>>>>reality?
>>>
>>> Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
>>> that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
>>> had never seen such a turntable.
>>
>>**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:
>>
>>"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
>>trying to solve?"
>>
>>Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
>>me) then I would have no issue with his response.
>
> Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
> the first sentence, right?

**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
hits me, I will respond likewise. I am not a Christian. I do not turn the
other cheek.

Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
> make "unnecessary insults"?

**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
depths to which it has descended.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Steven Sullivan]

wrote:

> Steven Sullivan wrote:

> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
> > > posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass.
> >
> >
> > No, Peter Belt pulled them out of his, and passed them on to you.

> Prove it.

Peter Belt needs to prove his devices don't contravene the laws of
physics, first...especially since he makes such ludicrous effort to
connect them to same.


He's either a charlatan (a faker) or a crackpot (sincere).


> > When someone selling something starts babbling about quantum mechanics,
> > consumers should hide their wallets and reach for their guns.

> Then do so.

Have done so, thanks.


> Knowing what an incompetent imbecile you are, you would
> probably shoot yourself in the face, and be doing the world a great
> favour.

Oh, lovely, the discourse rises ever higher.


> Although it doesn't ever seem to occur to you, everything
> you've ever said to me on this group, you've pulled out of your ass.
> That's because you've not provided factual evidence to support a single
> solitary stupid thing you've ever insisted on spewing before me. Most
> amazing to me, is that you claim to be a scientist, if I recall. I know
> scientists, Mr. Sullivan. Scientists are friends of mine. You're no
> scientist.


Put me in touch with one of these scientist friends of yours, I'd like
to quiz him or her about your tweaks. It'd be especially nice if they
were physicists.


> No one as willfully ignorant, or dogmatically arrogant, and
> scientifically oblivious could possibly and credibly claim to be one.


You know, *all* proper scientists routinely make judgements on
claims about physical reality. They don't consider every
possibility equally likely. They don't consider all claims equally
valid. Those for which there is good evidence and withstand
testing, get priority. Those which not only have no good evidence,
but which also appear to contradict that for which there *is* good evidence,
is routinely dismissed. Which is why someone claiming to have in their possession,
a perpetual motion device, but who provides no mass of solid, well
controlled evidence to back up that claim, is going to be essentially
ignored.

Guess which category your tweaks fall into.

It is not willfully or dogmatically arrogant to practice 'triage'
on patently absurd ideas for which the evidence is lacking. Proposing
nonsensical audio tweaks, then pointing to quantum mechanics as their
explanation, is not going to convince any scientist worth his
or her degree.

So, if you want to be taken seriously, find some independent agency
to test your mad notions, or find some scientific grounding for them
that isn't a laughable farrago of misapplication, as Belt's are.

In fact, James Randi's orgnaization might
be willing to pay you a million US dollars if any of them
turn out to be correct.


> Your ignorance of a given phenonemon because of your lack of knowledge
> about quantum mechanics makes your statement above risible and quite
> meaningless.

I hardly claim to be a quantum phycisist. The thing is, I hardly believe
you or Belt are, either. I know enough, though, to know that both
of you would be laughed out of the room, were it populated by
real physicists.

> Your debating and social skills are about as **** poor as
> your reasoning and logic skills. Now you've already proven what an
> idiot you are dozens of times over, so why exactly do you keep stalking
> me from thread to thread? Now hop the twig, you arrogant twit.


I suggest you use to the steam coming from your ears to power your
next belt-driven tubed dowsing rod.



___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

[Steven Sullivan]

dave weil > wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> > wrote:

> > that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
> >> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
> >
> >**What? Like:
> >
> >"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
> >
> >That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
> >reality?

> Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
> that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
> had never seen such a turntable.


Which is rather poor logic, especially from someone who insists
we must all try his tweaks before passing judgement on them.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

[[email protected]]

Trevor Wilson, The Energizer Bunny Of Rage, and his latest obsessive
rant:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >

> You were wrong. Why you don't acknowledge that you were wrong is a complete
> mystery.

It's less of a mystery to me why you won't acknowledge that you were
wrong. Because you're a lying troll. I told you, the next time you have
useless advice to give, REFRAIN YOURSELF. No one needs your useless
advice, you dumb lunatic. It looks like you scared the OP off 40
messages ago. Why the hell are you still here, obsessively ranting away
like disturbed maniac?


> > that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
> > selective quoting like the troll that you are,

> **What? Like:
>
> "I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
>
> That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
> reality?

You already did that, you lying little weasel. How much of a moron
could you be? Why would I deliberately distort what I said when I
complained about you doing it?


> and that you're an
> > ignorant, lying, ranting, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic
> > prick.
>
> **Well, that is an opinion you get to have. I am also a prick

Look carefully. I SAID you were a prick already. That base was already
covered. Unlike what I've seen from you, my opinions tend to be
correct. But when someone points out how wrong your worthless
"opinions" are, you start crying, and bawling and yelling like a
disobedient child. I think that like a disobedient child, you need to
be taught a lesson.


> who knows more
> than a little about audio. I know, for instance, that many turntables are
> designed to be operated without grounding wires.

I know, for instance, that most are NOT. Therefore, YOU'RE WRONG. Deal
with it, you stupid obsessive lunatic.


> * Ignorant. Not about audio, I'm not.

Oh yes you are. You're the same ignorant **** that just said my amp
will blow up if I connect a ground wire to it from my speakers. I've
been doing that for years with numerous amps and speakers, they never
blew up. The only thing that did "blow up", now that I recall, was....
oh yeah, was YOU. Stupid git. Once again, you show that you don't have
a bloody clue about audio, or anything you rant about.

> I am quite well versed in most areas
> of the audio business. If you feel otherwise, then you need to prove it.

I just did you stupid git.

> * Lying. Prove it. Cite your evidence.

You just did it for me a minute ago, you stupid git.

> * Ranting. An opinion. Don't forget, you slimey piece of ****, YOU began

Yeah, you've really proved to everyone that you're not a ranting
lunatic. Good show. If your "opinion" is that you're not a ranting
RAGEaholic, then it shouldn't come as a surprise when someone points
out what an ignorant twit you are, and how worthless your "opinions"
are.

> this little war, when you said: "Sorry for the response from the last idiot.
> This place is full of turds like that, so you have to watch where you step."

And you proved me exactly right, once again.

> * Frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic. Er, nope. However, you may present your
> evidence at your leisure.


Here's more evidence than you've presented in your lifetime of
trolling. This is from just ONE of your lunatic tirades:

--------------------------------------------------------
**You ****ing idiot. My answers


**Utter and complete bull****.


don't know the ****ing answers, then I


keep your stupid trap shut


supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.


you have bugger all


**Utter, banal nonsense


**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------



> * Prick. I can be. No shame in that.

I believe I called you an "ignorant prick". That you see nothing wrong
with that, is noted.


> then I suggest you shut your ignorant
> > face and move on.
>
> **You can suggest all you want.

If you want to stand here with your thumb up your ass for the next two
years and rant to an empty audience where no one, least of all me, is
listening to you, be my guest. Useless incompetent **** that you are,
you never had anything worthwhile to say for yourself to the original
OP, you have nothing worthwhile to say to me. All you can do with
people is troll and attack them. Whether its people that are asking for
assistance or providing assistance. People like you are what make
people like Yu not want to come to filthy battlegrounds like this and
hope to get smart, rational or useful advice on audio. So do those
people a favor, and _shut up already_, you stupid loud-mouthed ignorant
prick.

> accurate and to the point. Curt? Perhaps. Some people need to be smacked
> over the head in order to understand things.

I disagree. I could smack you in the face with a hot water bottle all
day long, and all day the next day and the day after that and the day
after that... you stil wouldn't understand a damn thing. You were
clearly born an ignorant prick, that is how you'll remain. And I'm sure
all that RAGE is doing wonderful things for your audio! LOL!

Now shut up and get outta here.

[[email protected]]

dave weil wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"

spam me: wrote:

> > that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
> >> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
> >
> >**What? Like:
> >
> >"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
> >
> >That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
> >reality?
>
> Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
> that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
> had never seen such a turntable.


Gee Dave. Explain this: how is it that YOU are able to see their
"selective quoting", but the two evil goofs that call themselves "Walt"
and "Trevor" can't, after quoting one half of my statement 25 times
over between the two of them?

Never let it be said that RAO regulars will let "truth" stand in the
way of a good battle. Most people here wouldn't recognize anything that
remotely resembled "truth" if it knocked them upside the head. Hence
the reason most people here are trying to knock each other upside the
head.

> Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
> fairly familiar with Rega products.
> But that's a different matter
> entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
> to the conclusion in the first place).

There was no "strange leap of logic" on my part. That comes from you,
from saying all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables (If I may
be so bold, I assume by the context of your phrase that when you say
"products", you're referring to their record decks, Dave. I've never
seen a Rega CD player or loudspeaker come with a grounding wire. Now
don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't
seen any).

And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
Rega products, including their record decks. I have a Rega Planar 2
sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
grounding wire. Now I'm not saying it does. I'm just saying I haven't
actually seen it....

And let me point out that one would be hard pressed to find so many
people (like Trevor the Rageaholic, Walt Whineman and Steven "I'm a
scientist, I swear!" Sullivan) who can obsess and argue for so long
over the most petty and trivial things, concentrated in such a small
venue.

[[email protected]]

Steven Sullivan wrote:

> dave weil > wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> > > wrote:

> > >
> > >**What? Like:
> > >
> > >"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
> > >
> > >That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
> > >reality?
>
> > Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
> > that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
> > had never seen such a turntable.
>
>
> Which is rather poor logic, especially from someone who insists
> we must all try his tweaks before passing judgement on them.

Speaking of "poor logic" you stupid twit, in your mad trolling tirades,
you can't even figure out whom you're insulting any longer. There isn't
a word in your quotes attributed to me. So its Trevor or Dave's tweaks
that you didn't try as well before passing judgement upon them? Being
the arrogant dogmatic fool you are, I'm not a bit surprised, you see.


___
-SHP
"I am no longer a registered sex offender" - Steven Sullivan

[[email protected]]

Trevor The Troll lied some more :

> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> > > wrote:
> >

> **Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
> hits me, I will respond likewise.


Evidence below shows you do NOT "respond likewise". When someone points
out your gross incompetence, you fly into screaming, yowling, painful
fits of blind red rage. Stop your self-victimization whining, no one's
buying it, you beliigerent troll.

> Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
> > make "unnecessary insults"?
>
> **Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
> depths to which it has descended.


Now I've seen you same some really STUPID LIES before, but this one
takes the cake. No kidding people consider you to be such an ignorant
prick. Since you insist on evidence that you never provide, here is the
very first message you wrote to me. The rest were no less violent:

--------------------------------------------------------
**You ****ing idiot. My answers


**Utter and complete bull****.


don't know the ****ing answers, then I


keep your stupid trap shut


supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.


you have bugger all


**Utter, banal nonsense


**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------

> Trevor Wilson
> www.RAGEaudio.com

[Trevor Wilson]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Trevor The Troll lied some more :
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>
>> **Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
>> hits me, I will respond likewise.
>
>
> Evidence below shows you do NOT "respond likewise".

**Sure I do.

When someone points
> out your gross incompetence,

**Er, cite where my alleged "gross incompetence" has been pointed out.

you fly into screaming, yowling, painful
> fits of blind red rage. Stop your self-victimization whining, no one's
> buying it, you beliigerent troll.

**Have you noticed that I do not insult anyone else here?

>
>> Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
>> > make "unnecessary insults"?
>>
>> **Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
>> depths to which it has descended.
>
>
> Now I've seen you same some really STUPID LIES before, but this one
> takes the cake.

**Oh really? Let's try some historical fact, shall we? Here are your words:

"Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step."

Those words were uttered, before I responded to anything written by you.


No kidding people consider you to be such an ignorant
> prick.

**"People"? Don't you mean: You?

Since you insist on evidence that you never provide, here is the
> very first message you wrote to me. The rest were no less violent:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> **You ****ing idiot. My answers
>
>
> **Utter and complete bull****.
>
>
> don't know the ****ing answers, then I
>
>
> keep your stupid trap shut
>
>
> supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.
>
>
> you have bugger all
>
>
> **Utter, banal nonsense
>
>
> **Oh, you are a real moron
> --------------------------------------------------------

**Well, duh. After you wrote:

"Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step."

I clearly had no choice but to respond in a way you might understand.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Trevor Wilson]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Trevor Wilson, The Energizer Bunny Of Rage, and his latest obsessive
> rant:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>
>> You were wrong. Why you don't acknowledge that you were wrong is a
>> complete
>> mystery.
>
> It's less of a mystery to me why you won't acknowledge that you were
> wrong.

**Cite (with some hard evidence) where anything I said about turntable
grounding was wrong.

Because you're a lying troll. I told you, the next time you have
> useless advice to give, REFRAIN YOURSELF. No one needs your useless
> advice, you dumb lunatic. It looks like you scared the OP off 40
> messages ago. Why the hell are you still here, obsessively ranting away
> like disturbed maniac?

**I already told you. I am not a Christian. I do not turn the other cheek.

>
>
>> > that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
>> > selective quoting like the troll that you are,
>
>> **What? Like:
>>
>> "I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
>>
>> That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
>> reality?
>
> You already did that, you lying little weasel. How much of a moron
> could you be? Why would I deliberately distort what I said when I
> complained about you doing it?

**I distroted nothing. I reproduced your words, precisely.

>
>
>> and that you're an
>> > ignorant, lying, ranting, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic
>> > prick.
>>
>> **Well, that is an opinion you get to have. I am also a prick
>
> Look carefully. I SAID you were a prick already. That base was already
> covered. Unlike what I've seen from you, my opinions tend to be
> correct.

**Huh. You've been proven wrong in your opinions about turntables and
amplifiers. How much more can you be wrong at?

But when someone points out how wrong your worthless
> "opinions" are, you start crying, and bawling and yelling like a
> disobedient child. I think that like a disobedient child, you need to
> be taught a lesson.

**Teach away. I'm waiting.

>
>
>> who knows more
>> than a little about audio. I know, for instance, that many turntables are
>> designed to be operated without grounding wires.
>
> I know, for instance, that most are NOT.

**MOST, but not all. Your original words were:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire,"

Those words are wrong.

Therefore, YOU'RE WRONG. Deal
> with it, you stupid obsessive lunatic.
>
>
>> * Ignorant. Not about audio, I'm not.
>
> Oh yes you are.

**Prove it.

You're the same ignorant **** that just said my amp
> will blow up if I connect a ground wire to it from my speakers.

**Nope. Unlike you, I reproduce your errors precisely. Here, I'll reproduce
my words for you (See if you can find where I said that YOUR amp will blow
up):
---
**WARNING! This advice may do several things:

* Destroy the output stage/s of your amplifier (many amplifiers are not
designed to operate with their outputs at ground potential).
* Void any warranty on speakers and/or amplifier.
---

Note the word: "may". I am careul with language, lest people misunderstand
my intent.

I've
> been doing that for years with numerous amps and speakers, they never
> blew up.

**That does not mean it will work for everyone, ALL the time. Some
amplifiers are deisgned NOT to have an earth reference. Some are deigned to
'float' above earth and still others (as mentioned by Mr Morien) are
bridged. Bridged amps can create quite a pyrotechnic display, if one side is
grounded.

The only thing that did "blow up", now that I recall, was....
> oh yeah, was YOU. Stupid git. Once again, you show that you don't have
> a bloody clue about audio, or anything you rant about.

**I note your inability to actually read what I wrote and correctly quote my
words.

>
>> I am quite well versed in most areas
>> of the audio business. If you feel otherwise, then you need to prove it.
>
> I just did you stupid git.

**Nope. You just confirmed your own ignorance.

>
>> * Lying. Prove it. Cite your evidence.
>
> You just did it for me a minute ago, you stupid git.

**Er, nope.

>
>> * Ranting. An opinion. Don't forget, you slimey piece of ****, YOU began
>
> Yeah, you've really proved to everyone that you're not a ranting
> lunatic. Good show. If your "opinion" is that you're not a ranting
> RAGEaholic, then it shouldn't come as a surprise when someone points
> out what an ignorant twit you are, and how worthless your "opinions"
> are.

**I state facts. When I state my opinions, I cam careful to say so.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[dave weil]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:13:37 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:

>>>**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:
>>>
>>>"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
>>>trying to solve?"
>>>
>>>Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
>>>me) then I would have no issue with his response.
>>
>> Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
>> the first sentence, right?
>
>**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
>hits me, I will respond likewise. I am not a Christian. I do not turn the
>other cheek.

Who cares if you're a Christian or not? I don't care one way or the
other. If you want to be a dupe and fall for some baiting, well, I
guess that's your choice.

> Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
>> make "unnecessary insults"?
>
>**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
>depths to which it has descended.

EXCUSE ME - I don't think I did anything but point out that he
qualified his statement. Therefore, your insult was gratuitous and you
are guilty of the very thing that you are complaining about.

Get the chip off of your shoulder. To get weirded out about a
turntable grounding strap is just stupid.

And you were just WRONG for removing the context of his statement.
Live with it.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:15:01 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
> wrote:

>dave weil > wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
>> > wrote:
>
>> > that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
>> >> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
>> >
>> >**What? Like:
>> >
>> >"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
>> >
>> >That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
>> >reality?
>
>> Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
>> that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
>> had never seen such a turntable.
>
>
>Which is rather poor logic, especially from someone who insists
>we must all try his tweaks before passing judgement on them.

I already pointed that out. I don't need YOU to do so as well.

[dave weil]

On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800, wrote:

>> Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
>> fairly familiar with Rega products.
>> But that's a different matter
>> entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
>> to the conclusion in the first place).
>
>There was no "strange leap of logic" on my part. That comes from you,
>from saying all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables

Now it YOU who's playing with the context (are you trying to emulate
Trevor)? "Fairly familiar with Rega products" is a world away from
"all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables".

> (If I may
>be so bold, I assume by the context of your phrase that when you say
>"products", you're referring to their record decks, Dave.

Well, gee, isn't that what we're talking about?

> I've never
>seen a Rega CD player or loudspeaker come with a grounding wire.

I wasn't aware that either of those items were under discussion.

>Now
>don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
>dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
>loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't
>seen any).

You MUST be joking at this point.

>And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
>Rega products, including their record decks.

Apparently not so much.

>I have a Rega Planar 2
>sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
>I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
>so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
>grounding wire.

Well, now you're coming off pretty stupid if you HAVE a deck that
doesn't have a grounding wire and yet you claim that you've never seen
such an animal. If I were willing to even read any of your tweaks,
which I haven't, why would I even bother knowing that you don't even
know the equipment that you claim to have on hand?

>Now I'm not saying it does.

Well, it doesn't. In fact ADDING a dedicated ground wire is a tweak
that Origin Live does with their re-wiring scheme.

> I'm just saying I haven't
>actually seen it....

<shrug>

>And let me point out that one would be hard pressed to find so many
>people (like Trevor the Rageaholic, Walt Whineman and Steven "I'm a
>scientist, I swear!" Sullivan) who can obsess and argue for so long
>over the most petty and trivial things, concentrated in such a small
>venue.

If I were you, I'd throw myself in the above category.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:23:26 -0600, dave weil >
wrote:

>>I have a Rega Planar 2
>>sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
>>I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
>>so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
>>grounding wire.
>
>Well, now you're coming off pretty stupid if you HAVE a deck that
>doesn't have a grounding wire and yet you claim that you've never seen
>such an animal. If I were willing to even read any of your tweaks,
>which I haven't, why would I even bother knowing that you don't even
>know the equipment that you claim to have on hand?
>
>>Now I'm not saying it does.
>
>Well, it doesn't. In fact ADDING a dedicated ground wire is a tweak
>that Origin Live does with their re-wiring scheme.

Of course, now you're going to claim that apparently you bought the
deck from someone who had already performed the tweak and LO AND
BEHOLD, it DOES have a strap.

Just thought I'd beat you to the punch...

[[email protected]]

Fella wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Fella wrote:
> >
> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Nice kook rant again, Trevor.
> >>
> >>Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
> >>you, just answer the question.
> >
> >
> > Are you demanding that I answer the question, or are you just lazy, and
> > forgot to include the missing words of politeness "I would like you
> > to"?
>
> It was JUST a question. You *can* speed-type a lot of text, and very
> eloquent text at that, I'll give you that much.
>
>
> > I think that in the example given above, both of us were right and
> > wrong.
>
> I beg to disagree. You were WRONG and he was RIGHT. I have myself seen a
> rega turntable that did not have a grounding wire. JUST RECENTLY at
> that. A friend brought it over for a listen.. I have just recently wrote
> about it in some other thread.
>
>
> With the severely limited thinkers around here, the issue is
> > always "black" or "white".
>
> Some issues ARE black and white. For instance, if something is WHITE
> then it is WHITE, ditto for a some "thing" to be BLACK. That we should
> not see the world as black and white does not mean that black and white
> would never exist...
>
> > Hence the endless flame wars. The only way
> > to get most RAO regulars (including you) to understand a point is to
> > slam a brick in their face.
>
> Like I said, I read the site and am trying to understand where you
> people are *claiming* to be coming from. I just thank my luck stars that
> the "string theory", for instance, is way too complicated for you guys
> to be using to the same end as "quantum mechanics" ...
>
> > mismanagement
> > of my words,
>
> You use a lot of words and you quite effectively mismanage them yourself.
>
> > because he's that insecure.
>
> You come across as ultra insecure, my good man, what with the ultra
> confrontational attitude you have here against EVERY and ALL posters,
> inlcuding the ones that try to cope with you.
>
>
> > I know where I'm right and where I'm
> > wrong.
>
> Tell us, where were you ever wrong??
>
>
> > I don't share the insecurities that most everyone here has,
>
> *Some* insecurity and self questioning is not all that bad a thing...
>
>
> > You realize they do have a
> > basis in quantum mechanics.
>
>
> No. I realize that you *might* be sincere as to believing that "they do
> have a basis in quantum mechanics." ... There *is* a difference..
>
> > Yet you still hold the position that I'm an
> > insincere troll.
>
> No, I have doubts on that nowadays.
>
> > Don't think for a moment that I care about any silly
> > stupid childish names you wish to call me, or the idiotic and wrongful
> > ways that you perceive me.
>
> Yes you do care. Else you wouldn't type and type away like this.
>
> > But I find that your perceptions say a lot
> > about you, your prejudices, your ignorance, your fear, your shallow
> > primitive mind, and the "herd mentality" that rules your life.
>
> Thus spake the pin hole four legged animal pin prick aspirin prophet.
>
> > I have
> > no doubt that if 50,000 audiophiles tried my tweaks and found them
> > effective, you would have another view of both me and the techniques.
>
> "Tweaks" have a way of confirming themselves, it is an illusion. you
> perform a tweak, you listen much more carefully, and you hear much more
> as a consequence. So ONLY in that context...
>
> > And with your fear calmed somewhat, you would be much more prepared to
> > try them.
>
> No, I will NEVER pin a paper aspririn four legged whatever on my sonus
> fabers. :) Even if one gazillion muslim-like blind beleivers in your off
> the wall "tweaks" show up on my doorstep. :)
>
> >
> > Quantum mechanics is a discipline so complex, nobody here, including
> > you, even has the wherewithal to understand it.
>
> And yet *you* understood it to an extent that you are able to
> effectively use it to conjure up some two-bit "tweaks" for two-bit audio
> systems, as opposed to solving the worlds energy crisis, for instance...
> Ok...

I'm not sure, but I think this may be one of those
Fundamentalist Suicide Tweakers.
There seem to be prophecies of audio paradise involved.
Be careful, he could blow at any moment.

[Steven Sullivan]

wrote:

> Steven Sullivan wrote:

> > dave weil > wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> > > > wrote:

> > > >
> > > >**What? Like:
> > > >
> > > >"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
> > > >
> > > >That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
> > > >reality?
> >
> > > Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
> > > that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
> > > had never seen such a turntable.
> >
> >
> > Which is rather poor logic, especially from someone who insists
> > we must all try his tweaks before passing judgement on them.

> Speaking of "poor logic" you stupid twit, in your mad trolling tirades,
> you can't even figure out whom you're insulting any longer.


You're the 'he' Dave Weil was referring to, as well as the 'someone' I
was referring to in my reply to Dave.

Always happy to help the afflicted,
__
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

[Steven Sullivan]

dave weil > wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:15:01 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
> > wrote:

> >dave weil > wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> >> > wrote:
> >
> >> > that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
> >> >> selective quoting like the troll that you are,
> >> >
> >> >**What? Like:
> >> >
> >> >"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
> >> >
> >> >That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
> >> >reality?
> >
> >> Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
> >> that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
> >> had never seen such a turntable.
> >
> >
> >Which is rather poor logic, especially from someone who insists
> >we must all try his tweaks before passing judgement on them.

> I already pointed that out. I don't need YOU to do so as well.

You'd best explain to SHP who you are talking about here.
He seems a mite confused.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

[Walt]

wrote:

> Fella wrote:
>
wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure, but I think this may be one of those
> Fundamentalist Suicide Tweakers.
> There seem to be prophecies of audio paradise involved.

Where, undobtedly the 27 virgins have already been through the required
break-in period.

//Walt

[Walt]

dave weil wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800, wrote:
>
>>Now
>>don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
>>dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
>>loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't
>>seen any).
>
>
> You MUST be joking at this point.

Trolling, actually. Don't take this guy seriously, he's just trying to
get a reaction out of you. Any reaction will do.


//Walt

[dave weil]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:16:26 -0500, Walt >
wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>> On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800, wrote:
>>
>>>Now
>>>don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
>>>dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
>>>loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't
>>>seen any).
>>
>>
>> You MUST be joking at this point.
>
>Trolling, actually. Don't take this guy seriously, he's just trying to
>get a reaction out of you. Any reaction will do.
>
>
>//Walt

Is that why YOU bit?

[Arny Krueger]

"Walt" > wrote in message

> dave weil wrote:
>
>> On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800,
>> wrote:
>>> Now
>>> don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering
>>> Walt and make the dumb assumption that this means I'm
>>> saying the Rega CD players and loudspeakers don't come
>>> with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't seen
>>> any).
>>
>>
>> You MUST be joking at this point.
>
> Trolling, actually. Don't take this guy seriously, he's
> just trying to get a reaction out of you. Any reaction
> will do.

Seems to be a trend around here. First Jute and then SHP.

[Walt]

dave weil wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:16:26 -0500, Walt wrote:
>>dave weil wrote:
>>>On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800, wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now
>>>>don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
>>>>dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
>>>>loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't
>>>>seen any).
>>>
>>>You MUST be joking at this point.
>>
>>Trolling, actually. Don't take this guy seriously, he's just trying to
>>get a reaction out of you. Any reaction will do.
>
> Is that why YOU bit?

Yep. I know I shouldn't, but a simple sentence or two can precipitate a
several paragraph long obscenity-laden vitriolic diatribe from this guy.
Mildly amusing, but certainly not for everyone. My appoligies for
getting you involved.

//Walt

[Sander deWaal]

said:

>And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
>Rega products, including their record decks. I have a Rega Planar 2
>sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
>I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
>so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
>grounding wire. Now I'm not saying it does. I'm just saying I haven't
>actually seen it....


My Rega RB300 came stock without an earthing wire, just as some others
I mounted for friends and, at the time, customers.

I retrofitted my RB300 with a ground wire, while at the same time
replacing the wire inside the arm, and the standard cinch cable .

That definitely was an upgrade worth the time!

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

[[email protected]]

Sander deWaal wrote:

> said:
>
> >And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
> >Rega products, including their record decks. I have a Rega Planar 2
> >sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
> >I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
> >so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
> >grounding wire. Now I'm not saying it does. I'm just saying I haven't
> >actually seen it....
>
>
> My Rega RB300 came stock without an earthing wire, just as some others
> I mounted for friends and, at the time, customers.
>
> I retrofitted my RB300 with a ground wire, while at the same time
> replacing the wire inside the arm, and the standard cinch cable .
>
> That definitely was an upgrade worth the time!

By implication, that sounds like none of the other tweaks I've shared
are, although they take a fraction of the time it does to rewire a
tonearm (which is also more complicated than any of the tweaks I've
described). I find that interesting Sander.... (jotting down in
notebook).

I can, btw, effect greater changes than you observed with far less
intrusive means. What people here don't realize is that there's more
than one way to approach a problem. Maybe you want to share what wire
you used to replace the standard, for those with RB300's. I have a Rega
with an RB250, and if I ever get around to installing it, maybe I'll
consider changing the wire some day....

[George M. Middius]

Shovels is back in orbit.

> What people here don't realize is that there's more
> than one way to approach a problem.

Wow! That's an amazing insight. I never imagined such a radical idea in
my entire life, and neither did anybody else. Do they still give out the
Einstein Prize? You should definitely apply.

[[email protected]]

dave weil wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800, wrote:
>
> >> Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
> >> fairly familiar with Rega products.
> >> But that's a different matter
> >> entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
> >> to the conclusion in the first place).
> >
> >There was no "strange leap of logic" on my part. That comes from you,
> >from saying all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables
>
> Now it YOU who's playing with the context (are you trying to emulate
> Trevor)? "Fairly familiar with Rega products" is a world away from
> "all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables".

Really? What do you think makes it "worlds away" Dave? You mean
removing the word "fairly". Let's juxtapose what you wrote, and what I
wrote:

Dave "World's Away" Weill: "That's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who
one assumes would be fairly familiar with Rega products."

SHP: "all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables"

So the "world of difference" you describe is in me dropping the word
"fairly". You were saying "all Brits should be fairly familiar with
Rega (turntables)"

Don't know if you realize this, but that petty insignificant difference
changes nothing in my point.

> > (If I may
> >be so bold, I assume by the context of your phrase that when you say
> >"products", you're referring to their record decks, Dave.
>
> Well, gee, isn't that what we're talking about?

I never know what you're talking about, because you're not clear in
your communication. And if I do so much as drop an insignificant
adjective like "fairly", you're all over me about it. So I'm going to
remind you that you said Brits should be "fairly" familiar with Rega
PRODUCTS. Why you think that simply because Rega is a British company,
that I and most Brits have houses filled with Rega products, including
having a Rega record deck and thus "knowing" how the Rega is wired, is
another matter for the psychiatrists to battle over.

> > I've never
> >seen a Rega CD player or loudspeaker come with a grounding wire.
>
> I wasn't aware that either of those items were under discussion.

That was to point out the fact that you started talking about Rega
"PRODUCTS". Even if your contention that most Brits are "fairly
familiar" with Rega PRODUCTS was true, and you've said nothing to prove
it is, that still doesn't imply the typical British household will have
one of every Rega products installed in their flats, like a Chinese
buffet, and this would have to include their record decks. Do you think
that Rega gives away their products to every household in Britain as a
reward for having two or more infants?

> >Now
> >don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
> >dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
> >loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't
> >seen any).
>
> You MUST be joking at this point.

DUH. If it isn't obvious, then it says something that you have to ask.


> >And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
> >Rega products, including their record decks.
>
> Apparently not so much.

Apparenly, you don't even understand your OWN use of the phrase
"fairly"! "Fairly" does not mean "much" or "so much", Dave. Now I'm
convinced English is not your first language.

> >I have a Rega Planar 2
> >sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
> >I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
> >so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
> >grounding wire.
>
> Well, now you're coming off pretty stupid if you HAVE a deck that
> doesn't have a grounding wire and yet you claim that you've never seen
> such an animal.

No, YOU are the one coming off pretty stupid, Dave. I've proven several
times now that you have problems with reading comprehension, as well as
written communication. I very clearly said "I haven't gotten around to
installing it and using it". That means I haven't inspected the
underbelly of the deck to see how its constructed, since you have
trouble with the concept. Are you trying to emulate your rageaholic
friend Trevor, by deliberately misappropriating my words? I find you're
just as petty as he is, obsessing over a ground wire.

> If I were willing to even read any of your tweaks,
> which I haven't, why would I even bother knowing that you don't even
> know the equipment that you claim to have on hand?

You're not making any sense. Is English your first language, Dave, or
are you having this translated? For one, I don't recall making any that
you knew what equipment I had on hand, secondly, I did not "claim" to
have a Rega Planar on hand, I have one, third, I don't see what my
tweaks have to do with my Rega, fourth, I don't see what your point
about me not being familiar with my Rega is struggling to say, fifth...
why did you not bother to try my tweaks again?

> >Now I'm not saying it does.
>
> Well, it doesn't. In fact ADDING a dedicated ground wire is a tweak
> that Origin Live does with their re-wiring scheme.

So? What's your point? Why do you think you need to familiarize me with
something I could check on in two seconds if I wanted?

> >And let me point out that one would be hard pressed to find so many
> >people (like Trevor the Rageaholic, Walt Whineman and Steven "I'm a
> >scientist, I swear!" Sullivan) who can obsess and argue for so long
> >over the most petty and trivial things, concentrated in such a small
> >venue.
>
> If I were you, I'd throw myself in the above category.

I've already thrown YOU in the above category.


> Of course, now you're going to claim that apparently you bought the
> deck from someone who had already performed the tweak and LO AND
> BEHOLD, it DOES have a strap.

Let me also throw you in the new category of those who make dumb
groundless presumptions, and consider themselves factual.

> Just thought I'd beat you to the punch...

You're only beating yourself Dave. With ignorance...

[Sander deWaal]

said:


>I can, btw, effect greater changes than you observed with far less
>intrusive means. What people here don't realize is that there's more
>than one way to approach a problem. Maybe you want to share what wire
>you used to replace the standard, for those with RB300's. I have a Rega
>with an RB250, and if I ever get around to installing it, maybe I'll
>consider changing the wire some day....


I used some "leftover" Siltech tonearm wire for the internal wiring.
Leftover, because I literally got 4 x 30 cm as a present after
rewiring 2 tonearms for what were my clients at the time.


That wire was pretty expensive, about 60 euro/meter IIRC.
Luckily, there weren't any SME3012s to rewire, 'cause there wouldn't
have been much left over :-)

Drilling the wire out of a RB300 isn' t something for the
feeble-minded, note.


I replaced the stock cinch cable with 50 cm Monster 400, also a
basement bargain when the local dealer went out of business.
This cable has about 50 pF/cm, which was about half the capacity of
the stock cable.
Not that it matters much with an MC cart, but still....

The connectors are WBT.


Another simple upgrade for the RB300 (and the RB250 as well) is to set
the neelde force at maximum ( > 3 grams), the internal spring is then
free of tension.
Then adjust the tracking force with the contra weight and a balance.

Yet another tip is to have a contra weight made with the hole drilled
excentrical, this improves the balance of the arm and will make for
better tracking of wobbly records.
I have yet to do this, but I have read favorable comments about it.

Adjusting VTA is a royal PITA with this arm, one has to use shims to
do this.
Another solution is to order a nut in the right size, and to mount the
arm on an aluminium "platter" where there is room to put one nut below
and one above it.
Adjusting VTA is then a piece of cake, compared to what it was.

Be sure to make the arm platter as thick as reasonably possible, and
to mount it solidly with many bolts and nuts to the (in my case sub- )
chassis, in order to create a good vibration drainage.

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

[paul packer]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:07:03 -0600, dave weil >
wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:13:37 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:
>
>>>>**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:
>>>>
>>>>"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
>>>>trying to solve?"
>>>>
>>>>Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
>>>>me) then I would have no issue with his response.
>>>
>>> Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
>>> the first sentence, right?
>>
>>**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
>>hits me, I will respond likewise. I am not a Christian. I do not turn the
>>other cheek.
>
>Who cares if you're a Christian or not? I don't care one way or the
>other. If you want to be a dupe and fall for some baiting, well, I
>guess that's your choice.
>
>> Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
>>> make "unnecessary insults"?
>>
>>**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
>>depths to which it has descended.
>
>EXCUSE ME - I don't think I did anything but point out that he
>qualified his statement. Therefore, your insult was gratuitous and you
>are guilty of the very thing that you are complaining about.
>
>Get the chip off of your shoulder. To get weirded out about a
>turntable grounding strap is just stupid.
>
>And you were just WRONG for removing the context of his statement.
>Live with it.

Disagree, Dave. Mr. Sound made an uninformed post, Trevor replied
reasonable and was labelled a turd for doing so. His reaction was no
different to what mine would have been, the more so if I was a techie
with years of experience. I'm still not sure what kind of bike Mr.
Sound's riding, but I think the seat is missing and it's bothering
him.

Incidentally, I've always found Trevor to be eminently reasonable on
all matters save those pertaining to religion, where he abandons
reason for rant. Since no question of religion was involved here, I'm
satisfied that he was being entirely reasonable.

[dave weil]

On 16 Mar 2006 12:45:45 -0800, wrote:

>
>dave weil wrote:
>
>> On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800, wrote:
>>
>> >> Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
>> >> fairly familiar with Rega products.
>> >> But that's a different matter
>> >> entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
>> >> to the conclusion in the first place).
>> >
>> >There was no "strange leap of logic" on my part. That comes from you,
>> >from saying all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables
>>
>> Now it YOU who's playing with the context (are you trying to emulate
>> Trevor)? "Fairly familiar with Rega products" is a world away from
>> "all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables".
>
>Really? What do you think makes it "worlds away" Dave? You mean
>removing the word "fairly". Let's juxtapose what you wrote, and what I
>wrote:
>
>Dave "World's Away" Weill: "That's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who
>one assumes would be fairly familiar with Rega products."

First of all, spell my name correctly.

>SHP: "all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables"
>
>So the "world of difference" you describe is in me dropping the word
>"fairly". You were saying "all Brits should be fairly familiar with
>Rega (turntables)"

Yes, it's VERY different. "Must be familiar" IS worlds away from
"fairly familair", at least in the world of sentient beings.

>Don't know if you realize this, but that petty insignificant difference
>changes nothing in my point.

You should take an aspirin at this point. Your point is that I claimed
that you MUST be familiar with Rega because you were British. Twasn't
so.

>> > (If I may
>> >be so bold, I assume by the context of your phrase that when you say
>> >"products", you're referring to their record decks, Dave.
>>
>> Well, gee, isn't that what we're talking about?
>
>I never know what you're talking about, because you're not clear in
>your communication.

I was *quite* clear. i can't help it if you're tweaked out.

>And if I do so much as drop an insignificant
>adjective like "fairly",

You didn't "drop" it, you changed the whole meaning of what I said.

>you're all over me about it. So I'm going to
>remind you that you said Brits should be "fairly" familiar with Rega
>PRODUCTS.

Like the turntable...oh excuse me, the deck that we were discussing,
or, more precisely, the tonearm that comes on the body...I mean
plinth...on many Regas. The only tonearm that I have direct experience
with, although i'm pretty sure that the other Rega arms are also
internally grounded.

>Why you think that simply because Rega is a British company,
>that I and most Brits have houses filled with Rega products,

Well, I was right about ONE particular Brit who has such a deck in his
house, wasn't I?

> including
>having a Rega record deck and thus "knowing" how the Rega is wired, is
>another matter for the psychiatrists to battle over.

Well, the fact that you have such a turntable but don't know that it
has a condition that you were adamant that doesn't exist seems pretty
darn funny at this point.

>> > I've never
>> >seen a Rega CD player or loudspeaker come with a grounding wire.
>>
>> I wasn't aware that either of those items were under discussion.
>
>That was to point out the fact that you started talking about Rega
>"PRODUCTS".

And? Is a Rega tonearn not a Rega product?

>Even if your contention that most Brits are "fairly
>familiar" with Rega PRODUCTS was true,

Well, as it turns out, you have the very tonearm that I was talking
about...what's funny is that you now claim that you "aren't familiar"
enough with it to keep you from having said a stupid thing about
grounding...I mean "earthing straps" on turntables. Not very bright of
you.

> and you've said nothing to prove
>it is, that still doesn't imply the typical British household will have
>one of every Rega products installed in their flats,

Who cares about the "typical British household"? They aren't espousing
claptrap on an audio newsgroup while pretending some sort of
"authority".

>like a Chinese
>buffet, and this would have to include their record decks. Do you think
>that Rega gives away their products to every household in Britain as a
>reward for having two or more infants?

No, i think that they barbecue those infants on a spit.

>> >Now
>> >don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
>> >dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
>> >loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires.

If you're not saying that, then you're wrong.

Again.

> I'm only saying I haven't
>> >seen any).
>>
>> You MUST be joking at this point.
>
>DUH. If it isn't obvious, then it says something that you have to ask.

If you can't see my statement as confirmation that you are half out of
your mind, then you need to take another aspirin.

>> >And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
>> >Rega products, including their record decks.
>>
>> Apparently not so much.
>
>Apparenly, you don't even understand your OWN use of the phrase
>"fairly"! "Fairly" does not mean "much" or "so much", Dave. Now I'm
>convinced English is not your first language.

And "apparenly" is a word that you were taught when you were growing
up in an Indonesean slum, right?

Fairly means what it means. More than a few and less than most.

>> >I have a Rega Planar 2
>> >sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
>> >I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
>> >so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
>> >grounding wire.
>>
>> Well, now you're coming off pretty stupid if you HAVE a deck that
>> doesn't have a grounding wire and yet you claim that you've never seen
>> such an animal.
>
>No, YOU are the one coming off pretty stupid, Dave. I've proven several
>times now that you have problems with reading comprehension, as well as
>written communication. I very clearly said "I haven't gotten around to
>installing it and using it". That means I haven't inspected the
>underbelly of the deck to see how its constructed, since you have
>trouble with the concept.

Well, now you're exposed as a fraud. why would you need to inspect the
underbelly of the deck? For someone who claims authority to roundly
proclaim that turntables don't come with grounding straps, you
apparently don't know where to even find them in the first place.

Cool.

>Are you trying to emulate your rageaholic
>friend Trevor, by deliberately misappropriating my words? I find you're
>just as petty as he is, obsessing over a ground wire.
>
>> If I were willing to even read any of your tweaks,
>> which I haven't, why would I even bother knowing that you don't even
>> know the equipment that you claim to have on hand?
>
>You're not making any sense. Is English your first language, Dave, or
>are you having this translated? For one, I don't recall making any that
>you knew what equipment I had on hand, secondly, I did not "claim" to
>have a Rega Planar on hand, I have one, third, I don't see what my
>tweaks have to do with my Rega, fourth, I don't see what your point
>about me not being familiar with my Rega is struggling to say, fifth...
>why did you not bother to try my tweaks again?

Because my system is perfect as it it sits. It cannot be improved by
any tweak, much less YOURS. Why would I need to try an insane tweak
from someone who doesn't even know where to find the grounding wire on
a turntable.

>> >Now I'm not saying it does.
>>
>> Well, it doesn't. In fact ADDING a dedicated ground wire is a tweak
>> that Origin Live does with their re-wiring scheme.
>
>So? What's your point? Why do you think you need to familiarize me with
>something I could check on in two seconds if I wanted?

Well, you SHOULD have before you opened yer yap. And I'm saving you
the two seconds.

>> >And let me point out that one would be hard pressed to find so many
>> >people (like Trevor the Rageaholic, Walt Whineman and Steven "I'm a
>> >scientist, I swear!" Sullivan) who can obsess and argue for so long
>> >over the most petty and trivial things, concentrated in such a small
>> >venue.
>>
>> If I were you, I'd throw myself in the above category.
>
>I've already thrown YOU in the above category.

Well then, here, have a beer sionce we're now hanging out together.

>> Of course, now you're going to claim that apparently you bought the
>> deck from someone who had already performed the tweak and LO AND
>> BEHOLD, it DOES have a strap.
>
>Let me also throw you in the new category of those who make dumb
>groundless presumptions, and consider themselves factual.

Fine. let me throw you in the category of a nutjob.

There. We're even.

>> Just thought I'd beat you to the punch...
>
>You're only beating yourself Dave. With ignorance...

Hey, you're the one who was wrong about grounding straps when you had
the evidence under your very nose.

Now on yer bike, Johnny.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:03:08 +0100, Sander deWaal >
wrote:

said:
>
>
>>I can, btw, effect greater changes than you observed with far less
>>intrusive means. What people here don't realize is that there's more
>>than one way to approach a problem. Maybe you want to share what wire
>>you used to replace the standard, for those with RB300's. I have a Rega
>>with an RB250, and if I ever get around to installing it, maybe I'll
>>consider changing the wire some day....
>
>
>I used some "leftover" Siltech tonearm wire for the internal wiring.
>Leftover, because I literally got 4 x 30 cm as a present after
>rewiring 2 tonearms for what were my clients at the time.
>
>
>That wire was pretty expensive, about 60 euro/meter IIRC.
>Luckily, there weren't any SME3012s to rewire, 'cause there wouldn't
>have been much left over :-)
>
>Drilling the wire out of a RB300 isn' t something for the
>feeble-minded, note.
>
>
>I replaced the stock cinch cable with 50 cm Monster 400, also a
>basement bargain when the local dealer went out of business.
>This cable has about 50 pF/cm, which was about half the capacity of
>the stock cable.
>Not that it matters much with an MC cart, but still....
>
>The connectors are WBT.

Only costs 70 pounds for the internal wiring kit (Litz) from Origin
Live. . Or you can send it to them and have them do it for the same
amount (but you have shipping costs to deal with). For another 70
pounds, they will supply the external cabling or do the work
themselves for the same price. Plus, they have a structural mod for 75
pounds.

Here's a list of some of the mods for Rega tonearms:

http://www.tonearm.co.uk/tonearm.htm

[[email protected]]

Fella wrote:

> wrote:
>
> > Fella wrote:
> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Nice kook rant again, Trevor.
> >>
> >>Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
> >>you, just answer the question.
> >
> >
> > Are you demanding that I answer the question, or are you just lazy, and
> > forgot to include the missing words of politeness "I would like you
> > to"?
>
> It was JUST a question.

That wasn't the issue I raised. Your question was put in a
disrespectful way, and you've yet to acknowledge that. If I told you
"How often do you beat your wife?", that too is JUST a question. If you
can't understand the bloody difference between a disrespectful question
and a fair one, then don't bother to ask me any more questions.

> > I think that in the example given above, both of us were right and
> > wrong.
>
> I beg to disagree. You were WRONG and he was RIGHT. I have myself seen a
> rega turntable that did not have a grounding wire. JUST RECENTLY at
> that.

I OWN a Rega turntable, dorf. I never said they all come with an
earthing wire. Ergo, YOU are WRONG. Read through the messages to see
what was said, before you start lying about what was said, as your
friend Trevor the Troll has done. I'm not going to explain it any
further, so its the END OF THE STORY. Stop flogging a dead horse,
you're not convincing any one of your lies and misrepresentation.

> With the severely limited thinkers around here, the issue is
> > always "black" or "white".
>
> Some issues ARE black and white. For instance, if something is WHITE
> then it is WHITE, ditto for a some "thing" to be BLACK. That we should
> not see the world as black and white does not mean that black and white
> would never exist...

Brilliant! Let me see if I have a cracker for you. This issue isn't one
of those BLACK and WHITE issues. That's why I raised the point, genius.

> > Hence the endless flame wars. The only way
> > to get most RAO regulars (including you) to understand a point is to
> > slam a brick in their face.
>
> Like I said, I read the site and am trying to understand where you
> people are *claiming* to be coming from. I just thank my luck stars that
> the "string theory", for instance, is way too complicated for you guys
> to be using to the same end as "quantum mechanics" ...

First of all, don't call me "you people". You sound like a racist git,
and given your bigoted thinking about audio, I wouldn't be surprised if
you were. You "claim" that you're trying to understand what the
concepts are based on, yet after reading the phrase "quantum
mechanics", that appears to be enough for you to dismiss whatever the
tweaks might be based on. Even though you still don't know if that
applies. You even go further to demonstrate your undying bigotry and
stupidity and assert that if it were ever based on anything else, like
string theory, you'd sweepingly dismiss that too. So you've proven that
you're an idiot. What else would you like to prove today? Would you
like to prove, for example, how the tweaks can't be associated with
quantum mechanics? Since QM isn't complicated for a brilliant mind such
as yours to resolve, let's see you prove Peter wrong. Start positing
your arguments here:


<insert sounds of crickets chirping and tumbleweeds>


> > I know where I'm right and where I'm
> > wrong.
>
> Tell us, where were you ever wrong??

Look who's talking! You can't even admit that you had written an
insulting way of asking me a question, nor can you admit that you're
too stupid to have understood what I said about ground wires, and
misrepresented my words.

> > I don't share the insecurities that most everyone here has,
>
> *Some* insecurity and self questioning is not all that bad a thing...

Then start questioning yourself, because your dismissal of all
scientific constructs too complicated for your mind to resolve only
makes you look like an ignorant bigot.

> > You realize they do have a
> > basis in quantum mechanics.
>
>
> No. I realize that you *might* be sincere as to believing that "they do
> have a basis in quantum mechanics." ... There *is* a difference..

Again, put up or SHUT UP. Since QM isn't complicated for a brilliant
mind such as yours to resolve, let's see you prove Peter wrong. Start
positing your arguments here:


<insert sounds of crickets chirping and tumbleweeds>


> > Yet you still hold the position that I'm an
> > insincere troll.
>
> No, I have doubts on that nowadays.


You mean you might be wrong about coming to instant conclusions about
things based on your prejudice, bigotry and ignorance. Maybe you're not
as hopeless as one might think.


> > Don't think for a moment that I care about any silly
> > stupid childish names you wish to call me, or the idiotic and wrongful
> > ways that you perceive me.
>
> Yes you do care. Else you wouldn't type and type away like this.

No fool. There could be many reasons one responds to a message, for
reasons other than the above. But you certainly do care about the way I
perceive you.

> > But I find that your perceptions say a lot
> > about you, your prejudices, your ignorance, your fear, your shallow
> > primitive mind, and the "herd mentality" that rules your life.
>
> Thus spake the pin hole four legged animal pin prick aspirin prophet.


Thus spake the know-it-all audio bigot.


> > I have
> > no doubt that if 50,000 audiophiles tried my tweaks and found them
> > effective, you would have another view of both me and the techniques.
>
> "Tweaks" have a way of confirming themselves, it is an illusion. you
> perform a tweak, you listen much more carefully, and you hear much more
> as a consequence. So ONLY in that context...


Crock of crap. I'm quite sure I've done more tweaking than you ever
have in my time. Your words here tell me something about your level of
expertise in this area. You don't simply "hear MORE" from one tweak to
the next. Instead, CHANGES are effected. It is the job of the tweaker
to register and define those changes. "Different is not MORE".
Furthermore, some tweaks work, some don't. Those that don't, often
produce negative changes. That's a fact that everyone I know of who is
a regular tweaker is familiar with.
You don't know the basics of how to listen, if all that's happening is
you're hearing MORE, with each time that you perform an A/B trial.
Those that do know how to listen can define what they're hearing.

I say that you're not a tweaker at all. Maybe you've done it once or
twice in your life. Big deal.


> > And with your fear calmed somewhat, you would be much more prepared to
> > try them.
>
> No, I will NEVER pin a paper aspririn four legged whatever on my sonus
> fabers. :) Even if one gazillion muslim-like blind beleivers in your off
> the wall "tweaks" show up on my doorstep. :)

Hey, I have no problem with that...

Bigot.


> > Quantum mechanics is a discipline so complex, nobody here, including
> > you, even has the wherewithal to understand it.
>
> And yet *you* understood it to an extent that you are able to
> effectively use it to conjure up some two-bit "tweaks" for two-bit audio
> systems

The only thing that's worth "two bits" here is your bigoted mind.

>, as opposed to solving the worlds energy crisis, for instance...
> Ok...

I'm sure you could probably solve the world's energy crisis by simply
redirecting all the hot air that you spew. Suggesting that one
shouldn't try a tweak because they are better directing their attention
to energy conservation, basically proves how insane you actually are.
That was a perfect way to end a universally dumb response. Thank you
for that.

[[email protected]]

Trevor The Troll lied again:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Trevor The Troll lied some more :
> >
> > Evidence below shows you do NOT "respond likewise".
>
> **Sure I do.


No. You don't.


> Those words were uttered, before I responded to anything written by you.


Reality Check:

--------------------------------------------------------
**You ****ing idiot. My answers


**Utter and complete bull****.


don't know the ****ing answers, then I


keep your stupid trap shut


supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.


you have bugger all


**Utter, banal nonsense


**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------


> No kidding people consider you to be such an ignorant
> > prick.
>
> **"People"? Don't you mean: You?
>
> Since you insist on evidence that you never provide, here is the
> > very first message you wrote to me. The rest were no less violent:
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > **You ****ing idiot. My answers
> >
> >
> > **Utter and complete bull****.
> >
> >
> > don't know the ****ing answers, then I
> >
> >
> > keep your stupid trap shut
> >
> >
> > supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.
> >
> >
> > you have bugger all
> >
> >
> > **Utter, banal nonsense
> >
> >
> > **Oh, you are a real moron
> > --------------------------------------------------------


> I clearly had no choice but to respond in a way you might understand.

And how well did that work for you, you arrogant raving lunatic? I
could slam the back of a hoe into the side of your face for thirteen
straight weeks, and you wouldn't be any less of an ignorant, ranting
net kook.

> >> > that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
> >> > selective quoting like the troll that you are,
> >
> >> **What? Like:
> >>
> >> "I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"
> >>
> >> That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
> >> reality?
> >
> > You already did that, you lying little weasel. How much of a moron
> > could you be? Why would I deliberately distort what I said when I
> > complained about you doing it?
>
> **I distroted nothing. I reproduced your words, precisely.

You've already been taken to task by others here for having mutilated
the above quote; which can easily be verified in Google and shown that
you have deliberately misappropriated my statement.

Thank you for proving that you're a deceitful lying sack of crap,
Trevor. Good show, troll!

My work is done.


> But when someone points out how wrong your worthless
> > "opinions" are, you start crying, and bawling and yelling like a
> > disobedient child. I think that like a disobedient child, you need to
> > be taught a lesson.
>
> **Teach away. I'm waiting.

I could slam the back of a hoe into the side of your face for thirteen
straight weeks, and you wouldn't be any less of an ignorant, ranting
net kook.

> >> * Ignorant. Not about audio, I'm not.
> >
> > Oh yes you are.
>
> **Prove it.

I already have. You've been proven wrong about turntables, amps and
speakers. The only thing you seem to know is how to lie and deceive.


> > You're the same ignorant **** that just said my amp
> > will blow up if I connect a ground wire to it from my speakers.
>
> **Nope. Unlike you, I reproduce your errors precisely. Here, I'll reproduce
> my words for you (See if you can find where I said that YOUR amp will blow
> up):
> ---
> **WARNING! This advice may do several things:
>
> * Destroy the output stage/s of your amplifier

Gee, I see your point now. I'm having a hard time seeing where you said
that my amplifier will "blow up" after setting up the grounding tweak.
Oh wait, I think I just found it.... it's right after the word "of" in
the above sentence of yours.

> I am careul with language, lest people misunderstand
> my intent.

That I have no problem with. It's with the fact that you're NOT careful
with the language of others, and you deliberately do cut and paste
edits to change the meaning of their words, so you can make a deceitful
argument against them; as you've done with me. That's because you are a
lying, malicious TROLL.

> **I note your inability to actually read what I wrote and correctly quote my
> words.

You can't even note YOUR inability to actually read what I wrote and
correctly quote my words, lying TROLL.


> >> I am quite well versed in most areas
> >> of the audio business. If you feel otherwise, then you need to prove it.
> >
> > I just did you stupid git.
>
> **Nope. You just confirmed your own ignorance.


Nope. YOU just confirmed YOUR own ignorance.


> >> * Lying. Prove it. Cite your evidence.
> >
> > You just did it for me a minute ago, you stupid git.
>
> **Er, nope.

Er, yup.


> >> * Ranting. An opinion. Don't forget, you slimey piece of ****, YOU began
> >
> > Yeah, you've really proved to everyone that you're not a ranting
> > lunatic. Good show. If your "opinion" is that you're not a ranting
> > RAGEaholic, then it shouldn't come as a surprise when someone points
> > out what an ignorant twit you are, and how worthless your "opinions"
> > are.
>
> **I state facts. When I state my opinions, I cam careful to say so.

You wouldn't know a fact if it broke half the teeth in your head, you
kook. You've already been proven by me and others to be a deliberate
liar, and a troll. Go do your trolling elsewhere, I'm not impressed.


> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaholicsrus.com.au

[Fella]

wrote:

> Fella wrote:
>
>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Fella wrote:
>>>
>>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Nice kook rant again, Trevor.
>>>>
>>>>Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
>>>>you, just answer the question.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you demanding that I answer the question, or are you just lazy, and
>>>forgot to include the missing words of politeness "I would like you
>>>to"?
>>
>>It was JUST a question.
>
>
> That wasn't the issue I raised. Your question was put in a
> disrespectful way,

Ok, wait, I'll present my question to you with the amount respect YOU
DESERVE!!!! embedded:

Dear dimwit loudmouth of a pidgeon brain fruitcake that pins
fourleggedanimalpicswithaspirinpapers on loudspeakers, dear MONUMENT to
stupidity, dear tweak-dizzy clown of a protohominid chromosomally
aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum, dear
twit! I respectfully ask thee : Do *YOU* "know" the difference between
right and wrong?!?!?


>
>
> I OWN a Rega turntable, dorf. I never said they all come with an
> earthing wire.

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire, only because I
haven't seen one yet that didn't."

Who wrote that!?!?!? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now answer the question you crazed cretin: Do *YOU* "know" the
difference between right and wrong?!?!?

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message


> Disagree, Dave. Mr. Sound made an uninformed post,

I suspect that SHP is well-informed. He's just entertaining himself.

> Trevor
> replied reasonable and was labelled a turd for doing so.

Agreed.

> His reaction was no different to what mine would have
> been, the more so if I was a techie with years of
> experience. I'm still not sure what kind of bike Mr.
> Sound's riding, but I think the seat is missing and it's
> bothering him.

SHP's posts follow the pattern of "Harvard Boys" posts. He's just pulling
people's chains. It's his way of telling himself that he really is the
superior intellect that his moma told him he was.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:04:51 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>. It's his way of telling himself that he really is the
>superior intellect that his moma told him he was.

So...he's got museums talking to him now?

[[email protected]]

dave weil wrote:

> On 16 Mar 2006 12:45:45 -0800, wrote:
>
> >
> >dave weil wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 Mar 2006 22:20:15 -0800, wrote:
> >>
> >Really? What do you think makes it "worlds away" Dave? You mean
> >removing the word "fairly". Let's juxtapose what you wrote, and what I
> >wrote:
> >
> >Dave "World's Away" Weill: "That's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who
> >one assumes would be fairly familiar with Rega products."
>
> First of all, spell my name correctly.


I did spell your name correctly, Weill. As much as you did mine at the
end of your diatribe.

> >SHP: "all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables"
> >
> >So the "world of difference" you describe is in me dropping the word
> >"fairly". You were saying "all Brits should be fairly familiar with
> >Rega (turntables)"
>
> Yes, it's VERY different. "Must be familiar" IS worlds away from
> "fairly familair", at least in the world of sentient beings.

Where did you study English? In Russia? If your contention was true,
then you'd have no point in saying "All Brits are fairly familiar with
all Rega products". Because VERY different than "MUST be familiar" is
"NOT familiar". "Fairly familiar" means "All Brits have a passing
familiarity with Rega products". Which is clearly an idiotic statement
to make, and shows you know nothing about Brits, except what you've
watched on Monty Python. I'm sorry to have to inform you, Weill, they
don't hand out Rega products to all Brits upon graduation.

> >Don't know if you realize this, but that petty insignificant difference
> >changes nothing in my point.
>
> You should take an aspirin at this point. Your point is that I claimed
> that you MUST be familiar with Rega because you were British. Twasn't
> so.

You should take a chill pill Weill. You can never admit when you're
wrong, and flogging a dead horse seems to be your favourite obsession.

> >> > (If I may
> >> >be so bold, I assume by the context of your phrase that when you say
> >> >"products", you're referring to their record decks, Dave.
> >>
> >> Well, gee, isn't that what we're talking about?
> >
> >I never know what you're talking about, because you're not clear in
> >your communication.
>
> I was *quite* clear. i can't help it if you're tweaked out.

Nor can I help it if you were raised by chimps, but I suggest you get a
refresher course and understand how to be more precise in your
communication.

> >And if I do so much as drop an insignificant
> >adjective like "fairly",
>
> You didn't "drop" it, you changed the whole meaning of what I said.

You're just trying to save face for a stupid mistake, Weill. Stop it,
you're not convnicing. You can't even define what it is that YOU said
any longer, you're so busy flogging this dead horse. Learn from your
mistakes and move on.

> >you're all over me about it. So I'm going to
> >remind you that you said Brits should be "fairly" familiar with Rega
> >PRODUCTS.
>
> Like the turntable...oh excuse me, the deck that we were discussing,
> or, more precisely, the tonearm that comes on the body...I mean
> plinth...on many Regas. The only tonearm that I have direct experience
> with, although i'm pretty sure that the other Rega arms are also
> internally grounded.

Again, don't make me responsible for YOUR mistakes. On the one hand,
you want people to understand specific meanings that you give to words
that only you know, and on the other hand, when you generalize, you
want people to understand your specific meaning. How long has it been
that you've been out of touch with reality?

> >Why you think that simply because Rega is a British company,
> >that I and most Brits have houses filled with Rega products,
>
> Well, I was right about ONE particular Brit who has such a deck in his
> house, wasn't I?

No you weren't. Just because I have a Rega product, doesn't mean I'm
familiar with it.

> > including
> >having a Rega record deck and thus "knowing" how the Rega is wired, is
> >another matter for the psychiatrists to battle over.
>
> Well, the fact that you have such a turntable but don't know that it
> has a condition that you were adamant that doesn't exist seems pretty
> darn funny at this point.

Only to an imbecile Weill, only to an imbecile. "Sentient beings" have
the wherewithal to understand that owning a product and being familiar
with it are two different things. You're not big on thinking, are you,
David?

> >> > I've never
> >> >seen a Rega CD player or loudspeaker come with a grounding wire.
> >>
> >> I wasn't aware that either of those items were under discussion.
> >
> >That was to point out the fact that you started talking about Rega
> >"PRODUCTS".
>
> And? Is a Rega tonearn not a Rega product?

Yes. A Rega CD Player or loudspeakers is not. I see you're still
grappling with that "logic" thing.

> > and you've said nothing to prove
> >it is, that still doesn't imply the typical British household will have
> >one of every Rega products installed in their flats,
>
> Who cares about the "typical British household"? They aren't espousing
> claptrap on an audio newsgroup while pretending some sort of
> "authority".

Yes, thankfully, they're not all like you.

> >like a Chinese
> >buffet, and this would have to include their record decks. Do you think
> >that Rega gives away their products to every household in Britain as a
> >reward for having two or more infants?
>
> No, i think that they barbecue those infants on a spit.

Ok, I can see where your ignorance about Brits are coming from, Weill.
Perhaps they didn't tell you, Monty Python was not a documentary.

> >> >Now
> >> >don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
> >> >dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
> >> >loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires.
>
> If you're not saying that, then you're wrong.
> Again.

Sorry, you're wrong. Again. Rega CD players and loudspeakers DON'T COME
WITH GROUNDING WIRES. I can see that there are no depths to your
ignorance, David. So why am I trying to talk sense to you? You
obviously have never owned a Rega product, you obviously never know
what you're talking about, you obviously will never admit when you're
wrong, and you're obviously wasting my time.

> > I'm only saying I haven't
> >> >seen any).
> >>
> >> You MUST be joking at this point.
> >
> >DUH. If it isn't obvious, then it says something that you have to ask.
>
> If you can't see my statement as confirmation that you are half out of
> your mind, then you need to take another aspirin.

My statement was confirmation that you're entirely out of your mind,
but you couldn't see that. So maybe you're popping too many aspirins?

> >> >And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
> >> >Rega products, including their record decks.
> >>
> >> Apparently not so much.
> >
> >Apparenly, you don't even understand your OWN use of the phrase
> >"fairly"! "Fairly" does not mean "much" or "so much", Dave. Now I'm
> >convinced English is not your first language.
>
> And "apparenly" is a word that you were taught when you were growing
> up in an Indonesean slum, right?


Now you're resorting to flaming people for making the tragic mistake of
dropping a letter in their typing? Very classy, David. That basically
is an indication that you've lost an argument, and have no other
"tactics" to resort to.


> Fairly means what it means. More than a few and less than most.

You're coming off pretty stupid here, but what else is new. If that's
the case, then you're making the leap of logic that it would include me
was arrogant and presumptious of you. But keep flogging the dead horse,
maybe it will come back to life, Weill.

> For someone who claims authority to roundly
> proclaim that turntables don't come with grounding straps,

Ah.... nice of you to lie like that. I did no such thing, and you know
that, since you pointed out to Trevor the Troll that I did NOT "roundly
proclaim that turntables don't come with grounding straps". And yet
you've now resorted to lying as badly as he does, in order to try to
win an argument.

You just lost all credibility once again, David, and proven how
deceitful you are. Thank you for that.

> Well, now you're exposed as a fraud. why would you need to inspect the
> underbelly of the deck?
> you apparently don't know where to even find them in the first place.

LOL! You've never actually taken apart a record deck, have you David?
Perhaps you think the ground wire is sellotaped to the side of the
platter? You're the one who just "exposed yourself" as a "fraud", who
has never worked on a record deck. And yet you can't stop opening your
big mouth and stuffing your foot in it. You're a joke, David.
Definitely not worth anyone bothering with.

> >Are you trying to emulate your rageaholic
> >friend Trevor, by deliberately misappropriating my words? I find you're
> >just as petty as he is, obsessing over a ground wire.
> >
> >> If I were willing to even read any of your tweaks,
> >> which I haven't, why would I even bother knowing that you don't even
> >> know the equipment that you claim to have on hand?
> >
> >You're not making any sense. Is English your first language, Dave, or
> >are you having this translated? For one, I don't recall making any that
> >you knew what equipment I had on hand, secondly, I did not "claim" to
> >have a Rega Planar on hand, I have one, third, I don't see what my
> >tweaks have to do with my Rega, fourth, I don't see what your point
> >about me not being familiar with my Rega is struggling to say, fifth...
> >why did you not bother to try my tweaks again?

> Because my system is perfect as it it sits. It cannot be improved by
> any tweak, much less YOURS. Why would I need to try an insane tweak
> from someone who doesn't even know where to find the grounding wire on
> a turntable.

Why do you think I care whether you try my tweaks or anyone else's? Do
you think I make a profit from you trying my free tweaks, you drooling
imbecile?! LOL! You could not have done better in just proving what an
ignorant dupe you are. Let's count the ways: First, there is no system
on earth that can't be improved by making changes to it. That would
presume that YOUR system is the only hifi system that has reached the
previously unattainable goal of 100% perfection. You should submit it
to the proper organization. I'm sure that the audiophile industry would
be keenly interested in seeing how you acheived 100% perfection in your
sound reproduction. Secondly, you've just proven you don't know where
to find the grounding strap on a turntable. Which makes _you_ insanely
ignorant. Thirdly, you not knowing where the grounding strap is, or
even if it were me, would not have any relation to whether a given
tweak works or not (particularly since most are not mine). You've again
just proven what manner of idiot you are Weill, by making that sorry
attempt at logic.

The only "insane tweak" around here David, is whatever the heck someone
did to your brain.

> >> >Now I'm not saying it does.
> >>
> >> Well, it doesn't. In fact ADDING a dedicated ground wire is a tweak
> >> that Origin Live does with their re-wiring scheme.
> >
> >So? What's your point? Why do you think you need to familiarize me with
> >something I could check on in two seconds if I wanted?
>
> Well, you SHOULD have before you opened yer yap.

You should take the foot of yours before you try to speak.

> And I'm saving you the two seconds.

You're saving even more time (and money) but not needing to improve
your 100% perfect hifi system. LOL! You extremists are a funny lot.

> >> >And let me point out that one would be hard pressed to find so many
> >> >people (like Trevor the Rageaholic, Walt Whineman and Steven "I'm a
> >> >scientist, I swear!" Sullivan) who can obsess and argue for so long
> >> >over the most petty and trivial things, concentrated in such a small
> >> >venue.
> >>
> >> If I were you, I'd throw myself in the above category.
> >
> >I've already thrown YOU in the above category.

> Well then, here, have a beer sionce we're now hanging out together.

You've shown that you can obsess and argue for so long over the most
petty and trivial things, not ever admit that you're wrong or that
you're lying, and not ever apologize for hypocritically accusing
others, like your rageaholic friend Trevor, or Walt, or Steven
Sullivan, for doing the same thing that you do. And because of that,
you keep on flailing your arms forevermore and hope someone will
notice. Won't be me!

> >Let me also throw you in the new category of those who make dumb
> >groundless presumptions, and consider themselves factual.
>
> Fine. let me throw you in the category of a nutjob.
> There. We're even.

Wow, that really hurt. Especially coming from a liar such as yourself.
Did you have to be so cruel?

> Now on yer bike, Johnny.

Hop the twig, Jack.

[[email protected]]

Fella fella off his rocker and ranted:

> wrote:
>
> > Fella wrote:
> >
> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Fella wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Nice kook rant again, Trevor.
> >>>>
> >>>>Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
> >>>>you, just answer the question.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Are you demanding that I answer the question, or are you just lazy, and
> >>>forgot to include the missing words of politeness "I would like you
> >>>to"?
> >>
> >>It was JUST a question.
> >
> >
> > That wasn't the issue I raised. Your question was put in a
> > disrespectful way,
>
> Ok, wait, I'll present my question to you with the amount respect YOU
> DESERVE!!!! embedded:
>
> Dear dimwit loudmouth of a pidgeon brain fruitcake that pins
> fourleggedanimalpicswithaspirinpapers on loudspeakers, dear MONUMENT to
> stupidity, dear tweak-dizzy clown of a protohominid chromosomally
> aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum, dear
> twit! I respectfully ask thee : Do *YOU* "know" the difference between
> right and wrong?!?!?
> >
> > I OWN a Rega turntable, dorf. I never said they all come with an
> > earthing wire.
>
> "I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire, only because I
> haven't seen one yet that didn't."
>
> Who wrote that!?!?!? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Now answer the question you crazed cretin: Do *YOU* "know" the
> difference between right and wrong?!?!?


Wow. Superb kook rant, Fella. <grabs beer and popcorn>

You might have to duke it out with Trevor over who gets the net kook
award, but I think after this display, he'll have no problem just
handing it over. Congrats!

[Goofball_star_dot_etal]

On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote:


>Where did you study English? In Russia?

Funny you should say that. My Russian mother's English was much better
than the average Brit's. Are you sure that you are not related to
Rasputin?

[dave weil]

On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote in his
willingness to flog the dead horse:

>> Yes, it's VERY different. "Must be familiar" IS worlds away from
>> "fairly familair", at least in the world of sentient beings.
>
>Where did you study English? In Russia? If your contention was true,
>then you'd have no point in saying "All Brits are fairly familiar with
>all Rega products".

I never said that either. Adding two "alls" is just symptomatic of
your apparent disease.

Sorry you have to tweak your system though. Perhaps you might try
getting some of it out of the closet.

[dave weil]

On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote:

>> No, i think that they barbecue those infants on a spit.
>
>Ok, I can see where your ignorance about Brits are coming from, Weill.
>Perhaps they didn't tell you, Monty Python was not a documentary.

Shame you don't have a classical education. Looks like you get your
literary allusions from Monty Python. Not too swift of you.

[dave weil]

On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote:

>Sorry, you're wrong. Again. Rega CD players and loudspeakers DON'T COME
>WITH GROUNDING WIRES. I can see that there are no depths to your
>ignorance, David. So why am I trying to talk sense to you? You
>obviously have never owned a Rega product, you obviously never know
>what you're talking about, you obviously will never admit when you're
>wrong, and you're obviously wasting my time.

It's not ME that's wasting your time. <chuckle>

I obviously own a Rega product *and* I actually know about it...

Now, about your belief that no turntables come without grounding
straps...glad to have changed your world view...

[dave weil]

On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote:

>> Well, now you're exposed as a fraud. why would you need to inspect the
>> underbelly of the deck?
>> you apparently don't know where to even find them in the first place.
>
>LOL! You've never actually taken apart a record deck, have you David?
>Perhaps you think the ground wire is sellotaped to the side of the
>platter? You're the one who just "exposed yourself" as a "fraud", who
>has never worked on a record deck. And yet you can't stop opening your
>big mouth and stuffing your foot in it. You're a joke, David.
>Definitely not worth anyone bothering with.

What a joke. Most grounding straps that I've seen are simply spotted
by looking at the end of the RCA cables. That's because you attach
them to the receiver at a spot close to the phono jacks. You do know
what they are, right? They're the little holes in the back of the
receiver and the little screw that sits close to them is where you
attach the grounding strap.

You remind me of the guy who's seen looking under a streetlight at
night for a quarter even though he dropped it 50 yards away, simply
because the light's better.

[dave weil]

On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote:

> And because of that,
>you keep on flailing your arms forevermore and hope someone will
>notice. Won't be me!

Now THAT'S funny!

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote:
>
>>> No, i think that they barbecue those infants on a spit.
>>
>>Ok, I can see where your ignorance about Brits are coming from, Weill.
>>Perhaps they didn't tell you, Monty Python was not a documentary.
>
> Shame you don't have a classical education. Looks like you get your
> literary allusions from Monty Python. Not too swift of you.

I went to one of those great books colleges. My sophomore year,
I was in their Oxford program. Of course, I spent a good deal of my
time there watching Monty Python,.years before it got to the US.
I can remember more Monty Python than I can remember Descartes, Durkheim,
Freud, Marcuse, Fanon, Kant, Lavoisier and Mead. Watching
a couple of Marx Bros. movies should be good for
"At least" ten credits.



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[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
>
>>First, there is no system
>>on earth that can't be improved by making changes to it. That would
>>presume that YOUR system is the only hifi system that has reached the
>>previously unattainable goal of 100% perfection.
>
> You can't prove otherwise until you visit me to see.
>
> See, two can play your fun little game...
>
> Dangle little plaything, dangle...
>

A stereo is what it is. If you want a better stereo,
get a better stereo. or bi-amp. In general,
tweaks are marginal.



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Clyde Slick wrote:

> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
> >
> >>First, there is no system
> >>on earth that can't be improved by making changes to it. That would
> >>presume that YOUR system is the only hifi system that has reached the
> >>previously unattainable goal of 100% perfection.
> >
> > You can't prove otherwise until you visit me to see.
> >
> > See, two can play your fun little game...
> >
> > Dangle little plaything, dangle...
> >
>
> A stereo is what it is. If you want a better stereo,
> get a better stereo. or bi-amp. In general,
> tweaks are marginal.

No, the tweaks _you_ have tried are "marginal". The tweaking I have
done can transform a system in ways far more significant than a
component upgrade or biamping. Don't think that the world stops and
ends by the considerable limits of your experience. That's very
ignorant of you.

[Clyde Slick]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
>> >
>> >>First, there is no system
>> >>on earth that can't be improved by making changes to it. That would
>> >>presume that YOUR system is the only hifi system that has reached the
>> >>previously unattainable goal of 100% perfection.
>> >
>> > You can't prove otherwise until you visit me to see.
>> >
>> > See, two can play your fun little game...
>> >
>> > Dangle little plaything, dangle...
>> >
>>
>> A stereo is what it is. If you want a better stereo,
>> get a better stereo. or bi-amp. In general,
>> tweaks are marginal.
>
> No, the tweaks _you_ have tried are "marginal". The tweaking I have
> done can transform a system in ways far more significant than a
> component upgrade or biamping. Don't think that the world stops and
> ends by the considerable limits of your experience. That's very
> ignorant of you.

I'm happy just as things are, thank you. Enjoy your little paper horsey.



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[George M. Middius]

Shovels, your horizons are so limited it's a wonder you even know how to
read.

> The tweaking I have done can transform a system in ways far more
> significant than a component upgrade or biamping.

And yet you totally dissed my creative suggestion to use pictures of
bugs instead of mammals and other potions instead of aspirin. Did you
try my ideas? No, you didn't. You just claimed to have this great
insight of all things inexplicable. What a phoney.

[Trevor Wilson]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:07:03 -0600, dave weil >
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:13:37 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:
>>
>>>>>**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you
>>>>>are
>>>>>trying to solve?"
>>>>>
>>>>>Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult
>>>>>to
>>>>>me) then I would have no issue with his response.
>>>>
>>>> Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
>>>> the first sentence, right?
>>>
>>>**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
>>>hits me, I will respond likewise. I am not a Christian. I do not turn the
>>>other cheek.
>>
>>Who cares if you're a Christian or not? I don't care one way or the
>>other. If you want to be a dupe and fall for some baiting, well, I
>>guess that's your choice.
>>
>>> Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
>>>> make "unnecessary insults"?
>>>
>>>**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
>>>depths to which it has descended.
>>
>>EXCUSE ME - I don't think I did anything but point out that he
>>qualified his statement. Therefore, your insult was gratuitous and you
>>are guilty of the very thing that you are complaining about.
>>
>>Get the chip off of your shoulder. To get weirded out about a
>>turntable grounding strap is just stupid.
>>
>>And you were just WRONG for removing the context of his statement.
>>Live with it.
>
> Disagree, Dave. Mr. Sound made an uninformed post, Trevor replied
> reasonable and was labelled a turd for doing so. His reaction was no
> different to what mine would have been, the more so if I was a techie
> with years of experience. I'm still not sure what kind of bike Mr.
> Sound's riding, but I think the seat is missing and it's bothering
> him.
>
> Incidentally, I've always found Trevor to be eminently reasonable on
> all matters save those pertaining to religion, where he abandons
> reason for rant. Since no question of religion was involved here, I'm
> satisfied that he was being entirely reasonable.

**Just let me know where I need to send the cheque Paul.


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www.rageaudio.com.au

[paul packer]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:33:21 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:

>
>"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:07:03 -0600, dave weil >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:13:37 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>trying to solve?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>me) then I would have no issue with his response.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
>>>>> the first sentence, right?
>>>>
>>>>**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
>>>>hits me, I will respond likewise. I am not a Christian. I do not turn the
>>>>other cheek.
>>>
>>>Who cares if you're a Christian or not? I don't care one way or the
>>>other. If you want to be a dupe and fall for some baiting, well, I
>>>guess that's your choice.
>>>
>>>> Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
>>>>> make "unnecessary insults"?
>>>>
>>>>**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
>>>>depths to which it has descended.
>>>
>>>EXCUSE ME - I don't think I did anything but point out that he
>>>qualified his statement. Therefore, your insult was gratuitous and you
>>>are guilty of the very thing that you are complaining about.
>>>
>>>Get the chip off of your shoulder. To get weirded out about a
>>>turntable grounding strap is just stupid.
>>>
>>>And you were just WRONG for removing the context of his statement.
>>>Live with it.
>>
>> Disagree, Dave. Mr. Sound made an uninformed post, Trevor replied
>> reasonable and was labelled a turd for doing so. His reaction was no
>> different to what mine would have been, the more so if I was a techie
>> with years of experience. I'm still not sure what kind of bike Mr.
>> Sound's riding, but I think the seat is missing and it's bothering
>> him.
>>
>> Incidentally, I've always found Trevor to be eminently reasonable on
>> all matters save those pertaining to religion, where he abandons
>> reason for rant. Since no question of religion was involved here, I'm
>> satisfied that he was being entirely reasonable.
>
>**Just let me know where I need to send the cheque Paul.

I ought to say "your local church" just to spite you. :-)

[Trevor Wilson]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:33:21 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:07:03 -0600, dave weil >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:13:37 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>trying to solve?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary
>>>>>>>insult
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>me) then I would have no issue with his response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
>>>>>> the first sentence, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a
>>>>>person
>>>>>hits me, I will respond likewise. I am not a Christian. I do not turn
>>>>>the
>>>>>other cheek.
>>>>
>>>>Who cares if you're a Christian or not? I don't care one way or the
>>>>other. If you want to be a dupe and fall for some baiting, well, I
>>>>guess that's your choice.
>>>>
>>>>> Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
>>>>>> make "unnecessary insults"?
>>>>>
>>>>>**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
>>>>>depths to which it has descended.
>>>>
>>>>EXCUSE ME - I don't think I did anything but point out that he
>>>>qualified his statement. Therefore, your insult was gratuitous and you
>>>>are guilty of the very thing that you are complaining about.
>>>>
>>>>Get the chip off of your shoulder. To get weirded out about a
>>>>turntable grounding strap is just stupid.
>>>>
>>>>And you were just WRONG for removing the context of his statement.
>>>>Live with it.
>>>
>>> Disagree, Dave. Mr. Sound made an uninformed post, Trevor replied
>>> reasonable and was labelled a turd for doing so. His reaction was no
>>> different to what mine would have been, the more so if I was a techie
>>> with years of experience. I'm still not sure what kind of bike Mr.
>>> Sound's riding, but I think the seat is missing and it's bothering
>>> him.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I've always found Trevor to be eminently reasonable on
>>> all matters save those pertaining to religion, where he abandons
>>> reason for rant. Since no question of religion was involved here, I'm
>>> satisfied that he was being entirely reasonable.
>>
>>**Just let me know where I need to send the cheque Paul.
>
> I ought to say "your local church" just to spite you. :-)

**Not at all. I regularly contribute to the Salvation Army. Those guys do
great work.


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Clyde Slick wote:

> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >
> >> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>First, there is no system
> >> >>on earth that can't be improved by making changes to it. That would
> >> >>presume that YOUR system is the only hifi system that has reached the
> >> >>previously unattainable goal of 100% perfection.
> >> >
> >> > You can't prove otherwise until you visit me to see.
> >> >
> >> > See, two can play your fun little game...
> >> >
> >> > Dangle little plaything, dangle...
> >> >
> >>
> >> A stereo is what it is. If you want a better stereo,
> >> get a better stereo. or bi-amp. In general,
> >> tweaks are marginal.
> >
> > No, the tweaks _you_ have tried are "marginal". The tweaking I have
> > done can transform a system in ways far more significant than a
> > component upgrade or biamping. Don't think that the world stops and
> > ends by the considerable limits of your experience. That's very
> > ignorant of you.
>
> I'm happy just as things are, thank you. Enjoy your little paper horsey.

.....Enjoy your little crappy sounding stereo.

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George M. Middiocre whined:

> Shovels, your horizons are so limited it's a wonder you even know how to
> read.
>
> > The tweaking I have done can transform a system in ways far more
> > significant than a component upgrade or biamping.
>
> And yet you totally dissed my creative suggestion to use pictures of
> bugs instead of mammals and other potions instead of aspirin. Did you
> try my ideas? No, you didn't. You just claimed to have this great
> insight of all things inexplicable. What a phoney.

Takes one to know one, Mork. Nanu, nanu. Your ideas are ignorant and
phoney. Just like you, by coincidence. Good tweaks aren't good because
they're "creative", idiot. They're good because they're "smart" and
they "work". I don't "claim" to have all this great insight... I do.
And none of my tweaks are "inexplicable". How would you even know, when
you've never asked me for an explanation? Just because you're too
ignorant to understand them, doesn't mean they're inexplicable. Yours
however, are, because you don't have the imagination to come up with
new trolls in 8 years, let alone valid tweaks. But prove me wrong.
Explain your dumb phoney joke tweaks to me, tell me what they're based
on and why they would work. If your theories are scientific and can be
checked out and validated, I will try your tweaks.

Since we both know your tweaks are just more dumb jokes, I advise you
to take the high road and shut up now, little Georgie. Before I
humiliate you further....

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George M. Middiocre whined:

> Shovels, your horizons are so limited it's a wonder you even know how to
> read.
>
> > The tweaking I have done can transform a system in ways far more
> > significant than a component upgrade or biamping.
>
> And yet you totally dissed my creative suggestion to use pictures of
> bugs instead of mammals and other potions instead of aspirin. Did you
> try my ideas? No, you didn't. You just claimed to have this great
> insight of all things inexplicable. What a phoney.

Takes one to know one, Mork. Nanu, nanu. Your ideas are ignorant and
phoney. Just like you, by coincidence. Good tweaks aren't good because
they're "creative", idiot. They're good because they're "smart" and
they "work". I don't "claim" to have all this great insight... I do.
And none of my tweaks are "inexplicable". How would you even know, when
you've never asked me for an explanation? Just because you're too
ignorant to understand them, doesn't mean they're inexplicable. Yours
however, are, because you don't have the imagination to come up with
new trolls in 8 years, let alone valid tweaks. But prove me wrong.
Explain your dumb phoney joke tweaks to me, tell me what they're based
on and why they would work. If your theories are scientific and can be
checked out and validated, I will try your tweaks.

Since we both know your tweaks are just more dumb jokes, I advise you
to take the high road and shut up now, little Georgie. Before I
humiliate you further....

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david weill stuffed his foot in his mouth again and wrote:

> On 17 Mar 2006 14:11:26 -0800, wrote:
>
> >> No, i think that they barbecue those infants on a spit.
> >
> >Ok, I can see where your ignorance about Brits are coming from, Weill.
> >Perhaps they didn't tell you, Monty Python was not a documentary.
>
> Shame you don't have a classical education. Looks like you get your
> literary allusions from Monty Python. Not too swift of you.

Clyde Slick wrote:

> I went to one of those great books colleges. My sophomore year,
> I was in their Oxford program. Of course, I spent a good deal of my
> time there watching Monty Python,.years before it got to the US.
> I can remember more Monty Python than I can remember Descartes, Durkheim,
> Freud, Marcuse, Fanon, Kant, Lavoisier and Mead. Watching
> a couple of Marx Bros. movies should be good for
> "At least" ten credits.

You must get tired of being an ignorant fool and proven wrong all the
time, Davey. Not too swift of you. Perhaps they didn't tell you where
the members of Monty Python got their education from, Davey.... (I'll
give you a hint: it wasn't the correspondence course you got yours
from).

[dave weil]

On 21 Mar 2006 23:17:28 -0800, wrote:

>You must get tired of being an ignorant fool and proven wrong all the
>time, Davey. Not too swift of you. Perhaps they didn't tell you where
>the members of Monty Python got their education from, Davey.... (I'll
>give you a hint: it wasn't the correspondence course you got yours
>from).

You've STILL missed the reference. Maybe you could google it though.
Nope, probably not, despite the clues I've given you.

BTWm, misspelling my family name only reflects on you, not me.

And finally, I thought you were "through with me".

Dangle on, oh anonymous one.

[dave weil]

On 21 Mar 2006 23:08:30 -0800, wrote:

>Explain your dumb phoney joke tweaks to me, tell me what they're based
>on and why they would work.

You first.

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said:

> >Explain your dumb phoney joke tweaks to me, tell me what they're based
> >on and why they would work.
>
> You first.

Be careful what you ask for....




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[Goofball_star_dot_etal]

On 21 Mar 2006 23:08:30 -0800, wrote:

>
>George M. Middiocre whined:
>
>> Shovels, your horizons are so limited it's a wonder you even know how to
>> read.
>>
>> > The tweaking I have done can transform a system in ways far more
>> > significant than a component upgrade or biamping.
>>
>> And yet you totally dissed my creative suggestion to use pictures of
>> bugs instead of mammals and other potions instead of aspirin. Did you
>> try my ideas? No, you didn't. You just claimed to have this great
>> insight of all things inexplicable. What a phoney.
>
>Takes one to know one, Mork. Nanu, nanu. Your ideas are ignorant and
>phoney. Just like you, by coincidence. Good tweaks aren't good because
>they're "creative", idiot. They're good because they're "smart" and
>they "work". I don't "claim" to have all this great insight... I do.

I liked the tweak where you covered the working bits of your Rotel
820A with Fun-Tak. You could throw it at a wall and it would stick.
Cool!


>And none of my tweaks are "inexplicable". How would you even know, when
>you've never asked me for an explanation? Just because you're too
>ignorant to understand them, doesn't mean they're inexplicable. Yours
>however, are, because you don't have the imagination to come up with
>new trolls in 8 years, let alone valid tweaks. But prove me wrong.
>Explain your dumb phoney joke tweaks to me, tell me what they're based
>on and why they would work. If your theories are scientific and can be
>checked out and validated, I will try your tweaks.
>
>Since we both know your tweaks are just more dumb jokes, I advise you
>to take the high road and shut up now, little Georgie. Before I
>humiliate you further....

[Trevor Wilson]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Trevor Wilson said:
>
>> **Not at all. I regularly contribute to the Salvation Army. Those guys do
>> great work.
>
> In the USA, their connection to the Neo-Nazis has been uncloaked.

**I guess I'd better up the contributions.


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www.rageaudio.com.au

[paul packer]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:48:48 +0000, Goofball_star_dot_etal
> wrote:

>On 21 Mar 2006 23:08:30 -0800, wrote:
>
>>
>>George M. Middiocre whined:
>>
>>> Shovels, your horizons are so limited it's a wonder you even know how to
>>> read.
>>>
>>> > The tweaking I have done can transform a system in ways far more
>>> > significant than a component upgrade or biamping.
>>>
>>> And yet you totally dissed my creative suggestion to use pictures of
>>> bugs instead of mammals and other potions instead of aspirin. Did you
>>> try my ideas? No, you didn't. You just claimed to have this great
>>> insight of all things inexplicable. What a phoney.
>>
>>Takes one to know one, Mork. Nanu, nanu. Your ideas are ignorant and
>>phoney. Just like you, by coincidence. Good tweaks aren't good because
>>they're "creative", idiot. They're good because they're "smart" and
>>they "work". I don't "claim" to have all this great insight... I do.
>
>I liked the tweak where you covered the working bits of your Rotel
>820A with Fun-Tak. You could throw it at a wall and it would stick.
>Cool!

He has a Rotel 820A? That's good budget stuff. You don't need tweaks
when you get the right stuff in the first place.

[dave weil]

On 22 Mar 2006 19:35:43 -0800, wrote:

>You responded to Weill, but avoided answering the question I asked

So, how about answering MY question...

And I find it funny that you're ridiculing George for "trying" your
tweak. I guess that speaks volumes about the tweak, even though it's
as much a sure thing that George tried your tweak as that you meant it
as a serious tweak...

Although i have no need for tweaks, since my system is 100% perfect as
it sits, I can pass along this tweak from the old days. Feel free to
report back:

Place 4 acoustic guitars in your listening room (one on each end of
your couch and the third and fourth facing you at a 30 degree angles
no more than 5 feet away from the listening position) and listen to
your system at a volume of no more than 85 dB. BTW, I recommend that
you not use guitars with rock maple backs and sides, because this will
harden the sound excessively. And please try to use non-laminated
topped guitars. This deadens the sound.

You'll be amazed.

Oh yeah, since my system is already at 100% perfection, I have to make
sure that all acoustic guitars are absent from my listening room
before I participate in a *serious* listening session because it
interferes with the proper soundstaging of my system (as well as
screwing up the timbre of recordings that feature harpsichord),
although my Goldtop Les Paul copy with the P-90s doesn't seem to
affect anything unless I plug it in and actually play it.

[George M. Middius]

Shovels has apparently recanted his philosophical objection to namecalling
and other puerile insults.

> Dweeb
> ignorant twit
> twit

How many bullies made you eat dirt when you were 11 years old, Shovels?
Regardless, you can't get back at them by bitching at me or anybody else on
Usenet.





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[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

> >I liked the tweak where you covered the working bits of your Rotel
> >820A with Fun-Tak. You could throw it at a wall and it would stick.
> >Cool!
>
> He has a Rotel 820A? That's good budget stuff. You don't need tweaks
> when you get the right stuff in the first place.

.... said the yutz who uses Fun-Tak as a cereal topping.




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[dave weil]

On 22 Mar 2006 22:29:28 -0800, wrote:

><dumb joke tweak>

>and typical Weillish waste of bandwidth snipped>

Nope. Not a dumb joke tweak at all. You need to take your own advice
and try something "outside the box". Poor little puppet.

Now, aspirin and folded paper. Can't compare to known resonating
surfaces with Heimholzesque resonators and sound boxes.

>I can see you sitting there on a cardboard box, wearing your garbage
>bag suit, listening to a Michael Jackson signature transistor radio,
>and pretending that you're sitting on a $5K leather sofa, wearing a
>Hugo Boss suit, and listening to $100,000 quid worth of electronics.
>Must be nice to live in a 100% perfect fantasy world as you do.

Nice fantasy from you, Mr. Anonymous. However, Hugo Boss isn't *my*
fantasy of great wear, I hate leather sofas and I certainly don't
think that one needs to spend huge amounts of money on gear (nor do I
think that any of your stated tweaks so far have anything other than
entertainment value).

But thanks for exposing your own dreams and wishes and style
preferences.

Now, since you don't have the guts to explain how YOUR tweaks have any
basis in reality, stop demanding others to do the same.

You're dismissed.

Oh yeah, still never got the Modest Proposal reference, did you, Mr.
Obtuse?

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dave weil wrote:

> On 22 Mar 2006 22:29:28 -0800, wrote:
>
> ><dumb joke tweak>
>
> >and typical Weillish waste of bandwidth snipped>
>
> Nope. Not a dumb joke tweak at all. You need to take your own advice
> and try something "outside the box". Poor little puppet.

George proved that he can't explain the basis for his bogus joke tweak
(because it's a bogus joke tweak - duh!). How on earth do you expect to
do that for him, when it isn't even your arse that he pulled it out of?
Or is it? Hmm..... Well anyway, are you aware that you have this
condemnable habit of responding for George every time I ask him
something? I realize you two are the biggest trolls here, but
really.... how low on the totem pole of RAO regulars do you have to be,
to be the representative and spokesperson of an ankle biting mosquito
like George Middius? LOL!

BTW, there's a carrot waiting for you in the lobby, garbage boy.

<pages of obtuse Weillian gibberish snipped>

[dave weil]

On 23 Mar 2006 09:27:35 -0800, wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>> On 22 Mar 2006 22:29:28 -0800, wrote:
>>
>> ><dumb joke tweak>
>>
>> >and typical Weillish waste of bandwidth snipped>
>>
>> Nope. Not a dumb joke tweak at all. You need to take your own advice
>> and try something "outside the box". Poor little puppet.
>
>George proved that he can't explain the basis for his bogus joke tweak
>(because it's a bogus joke tweak - duh!). How on earth do you expect to
>do that for him, when it isn't even your arse that he pulled it out of?

You can't even keep track of what you're talking about. I never
commented on George's tweak, only my own. Please try to snap out of
your autistic daze and try to keep up. And don't dismiss my tweak
until you try it, especially since your stereo is admittedly so
inferior that it needs loads of help.

>Or is it? Hmm..... Well anyway, are you aware that you have this
>condemnable habit of responding for George every time I ask him
>something? I realize you two are the biggest trolls here, but
>really.... how low on the totem pole of RAO regulars do you have to be,
>to be the representative and spokesperson of an ankle biting mosquito
>like George Middius? LOL!
>
>BTW, there's a carrot waiting for you in the lobby, garbage boy.
>
><pages of obtuse Weillian gibberish snipped>

Of course you snip the part where I note that you don't bother to
"explain" your tweaks.

BTW, since you are now the brown stain on RAO, here, have some TP. If
you drape it across the bridge of your nose, you'll find your
soundstage locking into place.

[dave weil]

On 23 Mar 2006 12:11:21 -0800, wrote:

>The 5-pinhole paper tweak, the one you so love to
>ignorantly deride, is based upon principles of morphic resonance.
>Now's your chance to show off some of that "superior education" you
>think you have.LOL!

All of your posts are an attempt at "morphic resonance". So what?

Get back to me when you've tried a resonance tweak that has sound
principles behind it - like my 4 acoustic guitar tweak. Until then,
you'll just show yourself to be the very sort of ostrich-in-the-sand
type of RAOer that you claim others are.

>You will surprise both me, my colleagues

Now THAT'S a joke.

>Speaking of which, you're dismissed.

Can't even come up with your own material. Pathetic.

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dave weill, professional imbecile, wrote:

> On 23 Mar 2006 12:11:21 -0800, wrote:
>
> >The 5-pinhole paper tweak, the one you so love to
> >ignorantly deride, is based upon principles of morphic resonance.
> >Now's your chance to show off some of that "superior education" you
> >think you have.LOL!
>
> All of your posts are an attempt at "morphic resonance". So what?

I'll tell you "so what". So you just proved you have no bloody idea
in the world what "morphic resonance" is, actually. And by God, after
net stalking me so many times, DEMANDING that I explain my tweaks to
you, you sure shut your Weillian yap real quick, didn't you?
Where's the "credible scientific evidence" that disproves the
theories, that I asked you to bring with you when you reply? I told you
that you were a fat-mouthed imbecile, no different than the other
ignorant gits on this group (even though were "claiming" superior
intelligence and knowledge), and that all you'd be able to respond
with was a dumb, hollow, Middius-style derisive quip. And that's
EXACTLY what you just did, which proves everything I've said about
you being a dumb loud mouthed ignorant.

> Get back to me when you've tried a resonance tweak that has sound
> principles behind it - like my 4 acoustic guitar tweak.

Nice way to change the subject Weill! Hoping I won't notice you just
dumbed yourself out of a credible response, moron?

>Until then,
> you'll just show yourself to be the very sort of ostrich-in-the-sand
> type of RAOer that you claim others are.

No, actually YOU just showed yourself to be an ostrich with your head
in the sand. Just like I've been saying all along about you and your
dumbass friends. You wouldn't have the first clue about audio if it
kicked you in the teeth, garbage bag boy.

> >You will surprise both me, my colleagues
>
> Now THAT'S a joke.

Yes, you sure ARE! Thanks for that. You're giving us a real good
time, laughing our asses off at you!

> >Speaking of which, you're dismissed.
>
> Can't even come up with your own material. Pathetic.

Thanks for playing my game so well, Dave. Guess what, amateur troll?
You've been mated! You're my trophy troll, so I think I'm gonna
frame this one on my wall and call it "Dave Weill Tries To Be RAO's
HERO, Fails Miserably!".

For this garbage bag boy, you get TWO carrots today! :-)

[paul packer]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:52:56 -0500, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>paul packer said:
>
>> >I liked the tweak where you covered the working bits of your Rotel
>> >820A with Fun-Tak. You could throw it at a wall and it would stick.
>> >Cool!
>>
>> He has a Rotel 820A? That's good budget stuff. You don't need tweaks
>> when you get the right stuff in the first place.
>
>... said the yutz who uses Fun-Tak as a cereal topping.

Come again, George?

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

> >> >I liked the tweak where you covered the working bits of your Rotel
> >> >820A with Fun-Tak.

> >> He has a Rotel 820A? That's good budget stuff. You don't need tweaks
> >> when you get the right stuff in the first place.

> >... said the yutz who uses Fun-Tak as a cereal topping.

> Come again, George?

You said you use it "in the first place". That's your breakfast table,
right?




--
A day without Krooger is like a day without arsenic.

[paul packer]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:18:44 -0500, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>paul packer said:
>
>> >> >I liked the tweak where you covered the working bits of your Rotel
>> >> >820A with Fun-Tak.
>
>> >> He has a Rotel 820A? That's good budget stuff. You don't need tweaks
>> >> when you get the right stuff in the first place.
>
>> >... said the yutz who uses Fun-Tak as a cereal topping.
>
>> Come again, George?
>
>You said you use it "in the first place". That's your breakfast table,
>right?

And who's a "yutz"?