I have a Sony direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate
grounding wire. was it designed like that or its missing. Is there a
solution? Thanks!

"yu" wrote in message
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I have a Sony direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate
grounding wire. was it designed like that or its missing.

**Probably.

Is there a
solution?

**For what? Is there a problem?

Thanks!

**You're welcome.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Hi

As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
wire.

Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
wire?

Thank you.

Sorry, i am poor in english.

yu wrote:

Hi

As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
wire.

Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
wire?

Thank you.

Sorry, i am poor in english.

Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire, only because I
haven't seen one yet that didn't. I had a direct drive Sony (PSX70 I
think), and it had a grounding wire built into the phono cables. No
worries, you can easily add a grounding wire.
One end would be connected to a screw terminal on the back of your
amplifier. The other would go to the turntable. Now you might find a
grounding screw on the back of the turntable. If not, you have to open
up the bottom of the turntable. I would ground it to the base of the
tonearm inside the turntable, unless you find an appropriate grounding
screw elsewhere (that has a wire running to the tonearm). Look to see
where the phono cables lead to, inside the turntable.

"yu" wrote in message
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Hi

As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
wire.

**And, as I asked: Is there a problem?


Was it designed like that or its missing?

**It may have been designed that way. Is there a problem?

as in is it mandatory that
all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

**No.


and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
wire?

**If there is no problem, ignore the other idiot and don't touch anything.

We have a saying in the technical business:

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

IOW:

If a thing works fine, don't touch it.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

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yu wrote:
Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

**You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.

I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
git. Your answers were worthless and insulting, and now we can see why.
If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere. You
wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
you in the face with one.

You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

I suggest you pick it up at the front desk before you're consumed by
your own rage.

"yu" wrote in message
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As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I
have a Sony direct drive turntable but the turntable has
no separate grounding wire.

Does it need an added grounding wire?

IOW, are you having problems with hum?

Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it
mandatory that all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

Not all turntables come with a separate grounding wire.

"If it is not broken, don't fix it."

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

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yu wrote:

Hi

As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
wire.

Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
wire?

Thank you.

Sorry, i am poor in english.

Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

**You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.
Your answers are as follows:


I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire,

**Utter and complete bull****. If you don't know the ****ing answers, then
I suggest you keep your stupid trap shut. MANY turntables are and have
been supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.


only because I
haven't seen one yet that didn't.

**So, what's your point? That you have bugger all experience? That much is
obvious.

I had a direct drive Sony (PSX70 I
think), and it had a grounding wire built into the phono cables. No
worries, you can easily add a grounding wire.

**Utter, banal nonsense. Adding a ground wire is more likely to CAUSE
problems, assuming there is no problem to start with. If the OP is not
experiencing any hum problems, then no extra grounding wire will help. It
will, in fact, cause problems.

One end would be connected to a screw terminal on the back of your
amplifier. The other would go to the turntable. Now you might find a
grounding screw on the back of the turntable. If not, you have to open
up the bottom of the turntable. I would ground it to the base of the
tonearm inside the turntable, unless you find an appropriate grounding
screw elsewhere (that has a wire running to the tonearm). Look to see
where the phono cables lead to, inside the turntable.

**Oh, you are a real moron. I suggest you stick to your day job and leave
audio problems to professionals, who don't dish out bogus advice.


His day job is as a paychaitrist.
As a mental health professional, he can
straighten out your meds. Amateur morons
like you shouldn't be fooling around with that stuff.



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On 14 Mar 2006 00:07:13 -0800, wrote:


yu wrote:

Hi

As per the thread heading, what i meant to say was, I have a Sony
direct drive turntable but the turntable has no separate grounding
wire.

Was it designed like that or its missing? as in is it mandatory that
all Turntables come with a grounding wire?

and if the answer is yes, is there a solution say by means of attaching
a wire ( to which part of the turntable) to the problem of a missing
wire?

Thank you.

Sorry, i am poor in english.

Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire, only because I
haven't seen one yet that didn't.

I've got a Rega RB250 tonearm knocking around the house and it doesn't
have a separate grounding wire. It's grounded internally.

I"ve seen others without the grounding wire, but I can't remember
specifics.

So, no, all turntables (or, more accurately, all tonearms), don't come
with a separate grounding wire.

wrote:
Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:
wrote in message

Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

**You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.


I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
git. Your answers were worthless and insulting, and now we can see why.
If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere. You
wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
you in the face with one.

You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

1) It's way too early in the year to give out any Kook awards

2) Trevor's post didn't even register a reading on the kook-o-meter.

Then there's always the inconvienent observation that his information
was correct and yours was not...

So, what have we learned today?

Not all turntables have ground wires.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

//Walt

wrote:

Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

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yu wrote:
Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

**You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.

I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
git. Your answers were worthless and insulting, and now we can see why.
If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere. You
wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
you in the face with one.

You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

Sorry, SHP, *contestants* don't get to *vote*. We'll let you know
if you've won.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

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Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

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yu wrote:
Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step. Good thing you didn't
get him anyway.

**You ****ing idiot. My answers were concise, accurate and to the point.

I can see why you're affiliation is called "Rage Audio", you stupid
git.

**Lemme see if I understand you correctly:

YOU replied to the OP with utterly worthless, completely wrong information
and you have the temerity to call me a stupid git?

I have news for you. And none of it is good. Not only are you an idiot, with
no clue about turntables, but you are incapable of admitting when you are
wrong.

Your answers were worthless and insulting,

**So says the idiot who has no clue about the subject.

and now we can see why.
If you can't help and you have nothing to say, say it elsewhere.


**My answers were concise, accurate and to the point. Additionally, I am not
the only one to tell the OP the same information. You, however, have
decided, in your infinite wisdom, to buck the trend and compose a bunch of
worthless information.

You
wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
you in the face with one.

**So says the moron. And I'll tell you something for nothing: I have 28
years experience in servicing turntables at a professional level. I've seen
pretty much all of them. Many have no grounding wires. A point you seem to
be utterly oblivious to.


You do however get the Usenet Award For 2006: ***BIGGEST KOOK RANT****

**So says the moron. Lemme see if I understand you:

I provide concise, accurate information and YOU award me the biggest kook
rant? Yeah, right.



I suggest you pick it up at the front desk before you're consumed by
your own rage.

**I suggest you shut the **** up and let the professionals answer the
questions. I get really ****ed off by people who supply bogus and utterly
misleading information. I get even more ****ed off when those same people
refuse to acknowledge their stupidity.

So, how about it? When are you going to admit your mistake?

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Walt wrote:

wrote:


Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

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**You ****ing idiot. My answers

**Utter and complete bull****.

don't know the ****ing answers, then I

keep your stupid trap shut

supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.

you have bugger all

**Utter, banal nonsense

**Oh, you are a real moron
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1) It's way too early in the year to give out any Kook awards

No, it isn't. You're not going to find a bigger rant than that, in
shorter amount of space for the remainder of the year. It was a lot of
fun to watch.

2) Trevor's post didn't even register a reading on the kook-o-meter.

Then this much is obvious: You wouldn't know a kook rant if I hit you
with one in the face.


Then there's always the inconvienent observation that his information
was correct and yours was not...

....No, your "inconvenient observation" is merely just an opinion that
can swing both ways. It's not worth any more than anyone else's,
regardless of the value you're giving it. You should know something
about that. I've grounded decks that didn't have a wire, and lowered
the noise floor. Ergo, it _can_ help to do so. Whether you want to or
whether you need to is a decision the owner should make. Not you, not
Arny, not the KOOK, not anyone else. And whether you go on a mad,
raging, rampaging, frothing-at-the-mouth KOOK RANT because someone
might have a different opinion than you, then you're just another kook.

You people sure do make it "convenient" and inviting for people to want
to post their queries here, don't you? You either post smarmy replies
that don't help as in the case of the nutbar kook, Trevor Wilson, or
you launch profanity-laded tirades, and other assorted flak attacks,
until the OP has so many bullets flying by him, he regrets having
posted here in the first place.

For serious queries and discussions, people are better off at
rec.audio.tech, RAHE or one of the other major audio groups on Usenet.
This place, you belligerent trolls make so obvious, is _only_ for dumb
flame attacks. About the only person that has seriously tried to
discuss audio here is me. You will feel the absence of serious audio
discussion when I leave (in 5 years time), and you will miss me dearly;
of that I've no doubt.

So, what have we learned today?

You wouldn't know a kook rant if I hit you with one in the face?

Not all turntables have ground wires.

No one said they do.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

YMMV

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Then there's always the inconvienent observation that his information
was correct and yours was not...

...No, your "inconvenient observation" is merely just an opinion that
can swing both ways.

**There you go, yet again. You're wrong. You are starting to understand it
and you may finally admit it. One day.

It's not worth any more than anyone else's,
regardless of the value you're giving it. You should know something
about that. I've grounded decks that didn't have a wire, and lowered
the noise floor. Ergo, it _can_ help to do so.

**It can also make it worse. MUCH worse. If noise (hum) is not a problem,
then grounding a perfectly functioning turntable will, at best, be a
complete waste of time. At worst, damage may be done to the system. It is
ALWAYS best to FIRST establish if there is a problem. None of your posts has
managed to ask this, most basic, question. "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it." is an adage you would do well to remember.

Whether you want to or
whether you need to is a decision the owner should make. Not you, not
Arny, not the KOOK, not anyone else. And whether you go on a mad,
raging, rampaging, frothing-at-the-mouth KOOK RANT because someone
might have a different opinion than you, then you're just another kook.

**Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one. Not everyone knows what
they're tlaking about, when it comes to audio. You clearly lie in this
latter category. I suggest you shut the **** up and listen to those who know
what they're talking about.


You people sure do make it "convenient" and inviting for people to want
to post their queries here, don't you? You either post smarmy replies
that don't help as in the case of the nutbar kook, Trevor Wilson, or
you launch profanity-laded tirades, and other assorted flak attacks,
until the OP has so many bullets flying by him, he regrets having
posted here in the first place.

**What needs to happen is for morons, who DON"T have a ****ing clue to keep
their traps shut. Misleading information can be far more dangerous than no
information. You posted misleading information and you STILL refuse to admit
it.


For serious queries and discussions, people are better off at
rec.audio.tech, RAHE or one of the other major audio groups on Usenet.
This place, you belligerent trolls make so obvious, is _only_ for dumb
flame attacks. About the only person that has seriously tried to
discuss audio here is me.

**That you information was flat out wrong, seems to have little impact on
you.

You will feel the absence of serious audio
discussion when I leave (in 5 years time), and you will miss me dearly;
of that I've no doubt.

So, what have we learned today?

You wouldn't know a kook rant if I hit you with one in the face?

Not all turntables have ground wires.

No one said they do.

**Let me remind you of these words uttered by you:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire....."

Sheesh! Get with the programme. Stand up, admit your mistake and shut the
**** up, so people who actually know what they're talking about can answer
the questions. You might even learn something.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

wrote:
Walt wrote:

1) It's way too early in the year to give out any Kook awards

No, it isn't. You're not going to find a bigger rant than that, in
shorter amount of space for the remainder of the year. It was a lot of
fun to watch.

Oh, I think I will. Hey, here comes one now:

...No, your "inconvenient observation" is merely just an opinion that
can swing both ways. It's not worth any more than anyone else's,
regardless of the value you're giving it. You should know something
about that. I've grounded decks that didn't have a wire, and lowered
the noise floor. Ergo, it _can_ help to do so. Whether you want to or
whether you need to is a decision the owner should make. Not you, not
Arny, not the KOOK, not anyone else. And whether you go on a mad,
raging, rampaging, frothing-at-the-mouth KOOK RANT because someone
might have a different opinion than you, then you're just another kook.

You people sure do make it "convenient" and inviting for people to want
to post their queries here, don't you? You either post smarmy replies
that don't help as in the case of the nutbar kook, Trevor Wilson, or
you launch profanity-laded tirades, and other assorted flak attacks,
until the OP has so many bullets flying by him, he regrets having
posted here in the first place.

For serious queries and discussions, people are better off at
rec.audio.tech, RAHE or one of the other major audio groups on Usenet.
This place, you belligerent trolls make so obvious, is _only_ for dumb
flame attacks. About the only person that has seriously tried to
discuss audio here is me. You will feel the absence of serious audio
discussion when I leave (in 5 years time), and you will miss me dearly;
of that I've no doubt.

Nice work, and you've certainly outdone Trevor, but still amateurish
minor-league kookery. Wanna give it another go?

//Walt

wrote:

Walt wrote:

wrote:


Trevor Wilson choked this bile up:

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**You ****ing idiot. My answers

**Utter and complete bull****.

don't know the ****ing answers, then I

keep your stupid trap shut

supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.

you have bugger all

**Utter, banal nonsense

**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------


meanwhile, SHP elevates the discourse thus:


idiot:
That's called "being an idiot" where I come from.

As was exemplified
by all the other members in subsequent posts, who took this idiot's
conclusion on his say-so.

But do you see what I mean about you being a complete and total
hypocritical idiot?

Had you not been the simple-minded idiot that you are, you'd have
realized that you once again misread something I wrote, in several ways
no less.

/

moron:
Which is
exactly why even a moron like you can accomplish that task. However, so
far as it having any meaning evidence-wise, its only evidence that
you're a moron.

Er no, moron. I'm the thread starter.

But the fact that I don't _charge_ for the tweaks IS, you
moron.

/

****ing:
So don't you ****ing sit there on your high
horse and unilaterally "declare" to me that nobody tries every insane
idea out there.

/
stupid:
I was wondering what you were mumbling about again, because for a
few seconds, I forgot what a stupid presumptious imbecile you are.

And if he has the cheek to point out what a stupid, ignorant,
closed-minded, herd-following sheep that I am for treating his ideas
with total disregard, and dismissing them without evidence or trial,
then I'll smack him with a bunch of fives, I will.

The funny part is, although you're too stupid to have gotten it,
you just admitted you're incredibly stupid.

I didn't realize you were that stupid, that you couldn't
understand the question.

Now you've said some truly stupid, wrongful things in the time that
I've been reading you, Kreuger.

For the record, you fools can say what you want, but I don't consider
myself either a "subjectivist", an "objectivist", a "borg" or any of
these other absurd, stupid labels you people keep slapping each other
with.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

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Mr. Wilson. Have you considered the advances in modern medicine in the
last 100 years?

**Your feeble attempt to change the topic is duly noted. We're discussing
grounding wires on turntables. Do try to stay on topic, if you can manage
it.

Have you considered that:

1) An acknowledgement that you are incorrect in the following statement (by
you):

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire....."

Would be an appropriate action to take? Or will you continue to ignore your
mistake?

2) That an apology for the following words:

"Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step."

And:

"You wouldn't know the first thing about how to repair a turntable if I hit
you in the face with one."

Would be appropriate?

My wide and deep experience with all facets of the audio business is well
known to most here (except you, it seems). My experience with turntables is
similarly broad. I KNOW, for instance, that many turntables are designed NOT
to be operated with an extra ground wire. I KNOW that such turntables may
exhibit faults when an extra, unneeded ground wire is connected. Apparently,
you do not.

So, what's happening? Do you imagine that your previous, incorrect,
statements have suddenly dissappeared?

If you wish, keep up your stupidity. As long as you refuse to admit your
error, you will continue to look more and more foolish. Are you incapable of
seeing this?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson, aka "The Energizer Bunny Of Rage", wrote:

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award-winning kook rant snipped


error, you will continue to look more and more foolish. Are you incapable of
seeing this?

--
Trevor Wilson
www.RAGEaudio.com.au

Oh shut yer gob already, you arrogant prick. I'm sorry if it enrages
you to realize that your opinion is as worthless as anyone else's. But
that's your problem. Deal with it. With an imbecile of your stature, I
know well that I couldn't knock a lick of sense into you if I used a
sledgehammer, so this conversation is terminated. It already was, since
I didn't read a word you said in any of your stupid pointless tirades.
But you can continue your angry monologues of rage all you want, and
maybe one day when your batteries run out and you've stopped banging
your head against the desk, you'll look around and realize that no one
actually cares about anything you have to spew. Including the OP, and
especially me. LOL!

Trevor Wilson, tearing out what little hair he has left, wrote:

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award-winning kook rant from Trevor The Energizer Bunny Of Rage -
snipped


**MY OPINION is that you are a complete ****wit. My STATEMENTS about

**Of course. You're a ****wit. You have no desire to listen to anyone who

**Bugger! Now I'm going to lose sleep.

Trevor Wilson
www.RAGEAHOLICaudio.com.au

Nice kook rant again, Trevor. grabs beer and popcorn You're already a
shoe-in for the net kook award of 2006, you don't need to up your
chances with yet another crazy tirade. But I accept your apology that
you were wrong, that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are, and that you're an
ignorant, lying, ranting, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic
prick.The next time someone asks for advice on tuning their turntables,
if that's the best you can do, then I suggest you shut your ignorant
face and move on. You're no help, you're a bloody nuisance.

wrote:

Nice kook rant again, Trevor.

Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
you, just answer the question.

I've, from day one, held the position that you are an insincere troll.
But having read that pwb site last night I realize that at quantum level
of existence or somesuch there might not ever be right or wrong as we
know it. This is why I am asking.

Fella wrote:

wrote:

Nice kook rant again, Trevor.

Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
you, just answer the question.

Are you demanding that I answer the question, or are you just lazy, and
forgot to include the missing words of politeness "I would like you
to"? For now, I'll assume you were lazy. But if it ever even looks like
you're demanding a question of me again, your response will be either
silence or a clip around the ear so sharp, it'll leave you wondering
where it came from.

I think that in the example given above, both of us were right and
wrong. With the severely limited thinkers around here, the issue is
always "black" or "white". Hence the endless flame wars. The only way
to get most RAO regulars (including you) to understand a point is to
slam a brick in their face. Subtlety... they're not so good with. Case
in point: Trevor Wilson, the Energizer Bunny Of Rage. An insecure man,
unable to see, let alone admit all the areas where he was wrong, and
trying to be deliberately deceitful in addition with his mismanagement
of my words, because he's that insecure. So no, there's no incentive
for me to discuss the reasoning behind my responses. In the end,
whether I'm perceived as being right or wrong by him or anyone else
here, matters not a whit to me. I know where I'm right and where I'm
wrong. I don't share the insecurities that most everyone here has, with
a pressing need for others to know.

I've, from day one, held the position that you are an insincere troll.

So then you don't know the difference between right and wrong, do you?
You let your fear and your prejudice guide you toward the truth. That
never works, except by chance.

But having read that pwb site last night I realize that at quantum level
of existence or somesuch there might not ever be right or wrong as we
know it. This is why I am asking.

Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass. You realize they do have a
basis in quantum mechanics. Yet you still hold the position that I'm an
insincere troll. Don't think for a moment that I care about any silly
stupid childish names you wish to call me, or the idiotic and wrongful
ways that you perceive me. But I find that your perceptions say a lot
about you, your prejudices, your ignorance, your fear, your shallow
primitive mind, and the "herd mentality" that rules your life. I have
no doubt that if 50,000 audiophiles tried my tweaks and found them
effective, you would have another view of both me and the techniques.
And with your fear calmed somewhat, you would be much more prepared to
try them. But don't change a thing about your behaviour, on my behalf.
Because I'm trying to make a point. You may think of yourself as an
independently-minded but you're not. You're sheep. People tell you
where to go, and what to think. And you go there, and you think that.

Quantum mechanics is a discipline so complex, nobody here, including
you, even has the wherewithal to understand it. So it's no surprise
that everyone here is far too stupid to understand how the Beltist
tweaks may be valid, and so they allow their dumb blind ignorance and
ugly prejudice to decide whether there is any merit to them. Instead of
letting anything silly like "scientific curiousity" get in the way of
your prejudice. My estimation of you is that you're about as much a
true audiophile as Ghandi was Gengis Kahn. Being a real audiophile or
audio hobbyist doesn't just mean buying whatever the heck is the latest
and greatest piece of gear.

wrote:


Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass.


No, Peter Belt pulled them out of his, and passed them on to you.


When someone selling something starts babbling about quantum mechanics,
consumers should hide their wallets and reach for their guns.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

wrote:
Fella wrote:
wrote:

I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire

Do you know the difference between right and wrong? I am not attacking
you, just answer the question.

I think that in the example given above, both of us were right and
wrong.

Um, no. You said that all turntables come with a ground wire. That's
false. You were wrong. If you had any integrity you'd just say "gee, I
didn't know that." and move on.

kook rant snipped

//Walt

P.S. Are you any relation to Bob Ladbury? 'Cause you sure sound like him.

Steven Sullivan wrote:

wrote:


Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass.


No, Peter Belt pulled them out of his, and passed them on to you.

Prove it.

When someone selling something starts babbling about quantum mechanics,
consumers should hide their wallets and reach for their guns.

Then do so. Knowing what an incompetent imbecile you are, you would
probably shoot yourself in the face, and be doing the world a great
favour. Although it doesn't ever seem to occur to you, everything
you've ever said to me on this group, you've pulled out of your ass.
That's because you've not provided factual evidence to support a single
solitary stupid thing you've ever insisted on spewing before me. Most
amazing to me, is that you claim to be a scientist, if I recall. I know
scientists, Mr. Sullivan. Scientists are friends of mine. You're no
scientist. No one as willfully ignorant, or dogmatically arrogant, and
scientifically oblivious could possibly and credibly claim to be one.
Your ignorance of a given phenonemon because of your lack of knowledge
about quantum mechanics makes your statement above risible and quite
meaningless. Your debating and social skills are about as **** poor as
your reasoning and logic skills. Now you've already proven what an
idiot you are dozens of times over, so why exactly do you keep stalking
me from thread to thread? Now hop the twig, you arrogant twit.

___
-SHP
"Not true. I have been cleared of all child molestation charges." -
Steven Sullivan

wrote in message
oups.com...

Trevor Wilson, tearing out what little hair he has left, wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...

Trevor Wilson, aka "The Energizer Bunny Of Rage", wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...



award-winning kook rant from Trevor The Energizer Bunny Of Rage -
snipped


**MY OPINION is that you are a complete ****wit. My STATEMENTS about

**Of course. You're a ****wit. You have no desire to listen to anyone who

**Bugger! Now I'm going to lose sleep.

Trevor Wilson
www.RAGEAHOLICaudio.com.au

Nice kook rant again, Trevor. grabs beer and popcorn You're already a
shoe-in for the net kook award of 2006, you don't need to up your
chances with yet another crazy tirade. But I accept your apology that
you were wrong,

**Nope. Not once. When you stated:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

You were wrong. Why you don't acknowledge that you were wrong is a complete
mystery.

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?


and that you're an
ignorant, lying, ranting, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic
prick.

**Well, that is an opinion you get to have. I am also a prick who knows more
than a little about audio. I know, for instance, that many turntables are
designed to be operated without grounding wires. Let's examine your words,
shall we?

* Ignorant. Not about audio, I'm not. I am quite well versed in most areas
of the audio business. If you feel otherwise, then you need to prove it.
* Lying. Prove it. Cite your evidence.
* Ranting. An opinion. Don't forget, you slimey piece of ****, YOU began
this little war, when you said: "Sorry for the response from the last idiot.
This place is full of turds like that, so you have to watch where you step."
I am comfortable in lowering my standards to those of my opponent. You want
to hold a rational, reasonable discussion? I'm ready when you are.
* Frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic. Er, nope. However, you may present your
evidence at your leisure.
* Prick. I can be. No shame in that.


The next time someone asks for advice on tuning their turntables,
if that's the best you can do,

**My advice was concise, accurate and to the point. I also asked the
relevant questions, which my years as a service person has taught me is
utterly essential.The first step to solve a problem is to establish if there
is, actually, a problem. If there is no problem, then the solution is at
hand. Something you would do well to remember. I encounter such things every
day. People make a big deal about non-issues and often cause more problems
than they PERCIEVED that they already had.


then I suggest you shut your ignorant
face and move on.

**You can suggest all you want.

You're no help, you're a bloody nuisance.

**On the contrary. Your assistance was worse then useless. Mine was concise,
accurate and to the point. Curt? Perhaps. Some people need to be smacked
over the head in order to understand things.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

wrote:
Walt lied::
wrote:
Fella wrote:
wrote:
abusive internet kook nonsense snipped

I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire

You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.

That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.

Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
with a grounding wire"

Now, would your like the 5 minute introductory argument, or do you want
to pay for the full hour, Bob.

//Walt

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.

Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
fairly familiar with Rega products. But that's a different matter
entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
to the conclusion in the first place).

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:45:38 -0500, Walt
wrote:

You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.

That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.

Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
with a grounding wire"

As I pointed out to Trevor, no, that's not *exactly* what he said.

dave weil wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:45:38 -0500, Walt wrote:

You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.

That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.

Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
with a grounding wire"

As I pointed out to Trevor, no, that's not *exactly* what he said.

Ok, I left out the part where he said why he came to that conclusion
(lack of experience). I also left out the part where he called
everybody a turd and Trevor an idiot. Do I have to quote the entire
post, abuse included? Normally, just the relevant factual parts are
sufficient.

//Walt

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.

**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:

"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
trying to solve?"

Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
me) then I would have no issue with his response.


Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
fairly familiar with Rega products. But that's a different matter
entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
to the conclusion in the first place).

**Not only Regas. Many European turntables have been supplied without
grounding wires. Dual, Elac, B&O and many others. More interesting is this
alleged "Brit's" use of the term "grounding". 'Earthing' is the term used by
Poms (and Aussies), not grounding. A minor point, perhaps. Many of us alter
our terminology so Americans can understand our meaning.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:27:27 -0500, Walt
wrote:

dave weil wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:45:38 -0500, Walt wrote:

You said that all turntables come with a ground wire.

That's not what I said, that's false, you're wrong.

Yes, that is exactly what you said: "I'd say YES all turntables come
with a grounding wire"

As I pointed out to Trevor, no, that's not *exactly* what he said.

Ok, I left out the part where he said why he came to that conclusion
(lack of experience). I also left out the part where he called
everybody a turd and Trevor an idiot. Do I have to quote the entire
post, abuse included? Normally, just the relevant factual parts are
sufficient.

Well, when you say, "yes, this is exactly what you said", I think yes,
you would need to provide context and any qualifying statements.

And the same goes to Trevor's statement. The point is, he qualified
his statement. He didn't categorically make that statement.

That's all.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.

**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:

"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
trying to solve?"

Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
me) then I would have no issue with his response.

Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
the first sentence, right? Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
make "unnecessary insults"?

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to
reflect
reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.

**Well, Dave, the correct response might have been:

"Well, I've never seen one, but they may exist. Is there a problem you are
trying to solve?"

Had this moron responded like that (and without the unnecessary insult to
me) then I would have no issue with his response.

Well, using your logic, YOUR correct response would have stopped at
the first sentence, right?

**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
hits me, I will respond likewise. I am not a Christian. I do not turn the
other cheek.

Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
make "unnecessary insults"?

**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
depths to which it has descended.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

wrote:

Steven Sullivan wrote:

wrote:


Having read the PWB site, then you at least know that the tweaks I
posted, I didn't pull them out of my ass.


No, Peter Belt pulled them out of his, and passed them on to you.

Prove it.

Peter Belt needs to prove his devices don't contravene the laws of
physics, first...especially since he makes such ludicrous effort to
connect them to same.


He's either a charlatan (a faker) or a crackpot (sincere).


When someone selling something starts babbling about quantum mechanics,
consumers should hide their wallets and reach for their guns.

Then do so.

Have done so, thanks.


Knowing what an incompetent imbecile you are, you would
probably shoot yourself in the face, and be doing the world a great
favour.

Oh, lovely, the discourse rises ever higher.


Although it doesn't ever seem to occur to you, everything
you've ever said to me on this group, you've pulled out of your ass.
That's because you've not provided factual evidence to support a single
solitary stupid thing you've ever insisted on spewing before me. Most
amazing to me, is that you claim to be a scientist, if I recall. I know
scientists, Mr. Sullivan. Scientists are friends of mine. You're no
scientist.


Put me in touch with one of these scientist friends of yours, I'd like
to quiz him or her about your tweaks. It'd be especially nice if they
were physicists.


No one as willfully ignorant, or dogmatically arrogant, and
scientifically oblivious could possibly and credibly claim to be one.


You know, *all* proper scientists routinely make judgements on
claims about physical reality. They don't consider every
possibility equally likely. They don't consider all claims equally
valid. Those for which there is good evidence and withstand
testing, get priority. Those which not only have no good evidence,
but which also appear to contradict that for which there *is* good evidence,
is routinely dismissed. Which is why someone claiming to have in their possession,
a perpetual motion device, but who provides no mass of solid, well
controlled evidence to back up that claim, is going to be essentially
ignored.

Guess which category your tweaks fall into.

It is not willfully or dogmatically arrogant to practice 'triage'
on patently absurd ideas for which the evidence is lacking. Proposing
nonsensical audio tweaks, then pointing to quantum mechanics as their
explanation, is not going to convince any scientist worth his
or her degree.

So, if you want to be taken seriously, find some independent agency
to test your mad notions, or find some scientific grounding for them
that isn't a laughable farrago of misapplication, as Belt's are.

In fact, James Randi's orgnaization might
be willing to pay you a million US dollars if any of them
turn out to be correct.


Your ignorance of a given phenonemon because of your lack of knowledge
about quantum mechanics makes your statement above risible and quite
meaningless.

I hardly claim to be a quantum phycisist. The thing is, I hardly believe
you or Belt are, either. I know enough, though, to know that both
of you would be laughed out of the room, were it populated by
real physicists.

Your debating and social skills are about as **** poor as
your reasoning and logic skills. Now you've already proven what an
idiot you are dozens of times over, so why exactly do you keep stalking
me from thread to thread? Now hop the twig, you arrogant twit.


I suggest you use to the steam coming from your ears to power your
next belt-driven tubed dowsing rod.



___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

dave weil wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.


Which is rather poor logic, especially from someone who insists
we must all try his tweaks before passing judgement on them.


___
-S
"Excuse me? What solid proof do you have that I'm insane?" - soundhaspriority

Trevor Wilson, The Energizer Bunny Of Rage, and his latest obsessive
rant:

wrote in message
oups.com...


You were wrong. Why you don't acknowledge that you were wrong is a complete
mystery.

It's less of a mystery to me why you won't acknowledge that you were
wrong. Because you're a lying troll. I told you, the next time you have
useless advice to give, REFRAIN YOURSELF. No one needs your useless
advice, you dumb lunatic. It looks like you scared the OP off 40
messages ago. Why the hell are you still here, obsessively ranting away
like disturbed maniac?


that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?

You already did that, you lying little weasel. How much of a moron
could you be? Why would I deliberately distort what I said when I
complained about you doing it?


and that you're an
ignorant, lying, ranting, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic
prick.

**Well, that is an opinion you get to have. I am also a prick

Look carefully. I SAID you were a prick already. That base was already
covered. Unlike what I've seen from you, my opinions tend to be
correct. But when someone points out how wrong your worthless
"opinions" are, you start crying, and bawling and yelling like a
disobedient child. I think that like a disobedient child, you need to
be taught a lesson.


who knows more
than a little about audio. I know, for instance, that many turntables are
designed to be operated without grounding wires.

I know, for instance, that most are NOT. Therefore, YOU'RE WRONG. Deal
with it, you stupid obsessive lunatic.


* Ignorant. Not about audio, I'm not.

Oh yes you are. You're the same ignorant **** that just said my amp
will blow up if I connect a ground wire to it from my speakers. I've
been doing that for years with numerous amps and speakers, they never
blew up. The only thing that did "blow up", now that I recall, was....
oh yeah, was YOU. Stupid git. Once again, you show that you don't have
a bloody clue about audio, or anything you rant about.

I am quite well versed in most areas
of the audio business. If you feel otherwise, then you need to prove it.

I just did you stupid git.

* Lying. Prove it. Cite your evidence.

You just did it for me a minute ago, you stupid git.

* Ranting. An opinion. Don't forget, you slimey piece of ****, YOU began

Yeah, you've really proved to everyone that you're not a ranting
lunatic. Good show. If your "opinion" is that you're not a ranting
RAGEaholic, then it shouldn't come as a surprise when someone points
out what an ignorant twit you are, and how worthless your "opinions"
are.

this little war, when you said: "Sorry for the response from the last idiot.
This place is full of turds like that, so you have to watch where you step."

And you proved me exactly right, once again.

* Frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic. Er, nope. However, you may present your
evidence at your leisure.


Here's more evidence than you've presented in your lifetime of
trolling. This is from just ONE of your lunatic tirades:

--------------------------------------------------------
**You ****ing idiot. My answers


**Utter and complete bull****.


don't know the ****ing answers, then I


keep your stupid trap shut


supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.


you have bugger all


**Utter, banal nonsense


**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------



* Prick. I can be. No shame in that.

I believe I called you an "ignorant prick". That you see nothing wrong
with that, is noted.


then I suggest you shut your ignorant
face and move on.

**You can suggest all you want.

If you want to stand here with your thumb up your ass for the next two
years and rant to an empty audience where no one, least of all me, is
listening to you, be my guest. Useless incompetent **** that you are,
you never had anything worthwhile to say for yourself to the original
OP, you have nothing worthwhile to say to me. All you can do with
people is troll and attack them. Whether its people that are asking for
assistance or providing assistance. People like you are what make
people like Yu not want to come to filthy battlegrounds like this and
hope to get smart, rational or useful advice on audio. So do those
people a favor, and _shut up already_, you stupid loud-mouthed ignorant
prick.

accurate and to the point. Curt? Perhaps. Some people need to be smacked
over the head in order to understand things.

I disagree. I could smack you in the face with a hot water bottle all
day long, and all day the next day and the day after that and the day
after that... you stil wouldn't understand a damn thing. You were
clearly born an ignorant prick, that is how you'll remain. And I'm sure
all that RAGE is doing wonderful things for your audio! LOL!

Now shut up and get outta here.

dave weil wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"

spam me: wrote:

that you deceitfully misrepresented my words in your
selective quoting like the troll that you are,

**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.


Gee Dave. Explain this: how is it that YOU are able to see their
"selective quoting", but the two evil goofs that call themselves "Walt"
and "Trevor" can't, after quoting one half of my statement 25 times
over between the two of them?

Never let it be said that RAO regulars will let "truth" stand in the
way of a good battle. Most people here wouldn't recognize anything that
remotely resembled "truth" if it knocked them upside the head. Hence
the reason most people here are trying to knock each other upside the
head.

Now, that's pretty inexplicable for a Brit who one assumes would be
fairly familiar with Rega products.
But that's a different matter
entirely (that, and the strange leap of logic that forced him to come
to the conclusion in the first place).

There was no "strange leap of logic" on my part. That comes from you,
from saying all Brits must be familiar with Rega turntables (If I may
be so bold, I assume by the context of your phrase that when you say
"products", you're referring to their record decks, Dave. I've never
seen a Rega CD player or loudspeaker come with a grounding wire. Now
don't be like Ragin' Trevor The Troll or Whimpering Walt and make the
dumb assumption that this means I'm saying the Rega CD players and
loudspeakers don't come with grounding wires. I'm only saying I haven't
seen any).

And to respond to your comment, I believe I am "fairly familiar" with
Rega products, including their record decks. I have a Rega Planar 2
sitting in my closet for the last 2 years, along with a new Reson Reca.
I've never actually gotten around to installing it and using the deck,
so I've never noticed whether the RB250 it contains does come with a
grounding wire. Now I'm not saying it does. I'm just saying I haven't
actually seen it....

And let me point out that one would be hard pressed to find so many
people (like Trevor the Rageaholic, Walt Whineman and Steven "I'm a
scientist, I swear!" Sullivan) who can obsess and argue for so long
over the most petty and trivial things, concentrated in such a small
venue.

Steven Sullivan wrote:

dave weil wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:41:00 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


**What? Like:

"I'd say YES all turntables come with a grounding wire"

That selective quoting? Would you care to alter that statement to reflect
reality?

Well, to be fair, yes that WAS selective quoting because he qualified
that statement by saying that he reached that conclusion because he
had never seen such a turntable.


Which is rather poor logic, especially from someone who insists
we must all try his tweaks before passing judgement on them.

Speaking of "poor logic" you stupid twit, in your mad trolling tirades,
you can't even figure out whom you're insulting any longer. There isn't
a word in your quotes attributed to me. So its Trevor or Dave's tweaks
that you didn't try as well before passing judgement upon them? Being
the arrogant dogmatic fool you are, I'm not a bit surprised, you see.


___
-SHP
"I am no longer a registered sex offender" - Steven Sullivan

Trevor The Troll lied some more :

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
hits me, I will respond likewise.


Evidence below shows you do NOT "respond likewise". When someone points
out your gross incompetence, you fly into screaming, yowling, painful
fits of blind red rage. Stop your self-victimization whining, no one's
buying it, you beliigerent troll.

Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
make "unnecessary insults"?

**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
depths to which it has descended.


Now I've seen you same some really STUPID LIES before, but this one
takes the cake. No kidding people consider you to be such an ignorant
prick. Since you insist on evidence that you never provide, here is the
very first message you wrote to me. The rest were no less violent:

--------------------------------------------------------
**You ****ing idiot. My answers


**Utter and complete bull****.


don't know the ****ing answers, then I


keep your stupid trap shut


supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.


you have bugger all


**Utter, banal nonsense


**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------

Trevor Wilson
www.RAGEaudio.com

wrote in message
oups.com...

Trevor The Troll lied some more :

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:04 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


**Nope. If a person insults me, I feel compelled to respond. If a person
hits me, I will respond likewise.


Evidence below shows you do NOT "respond likewise".

**Sure I do.

When someone points
out your gross incompetence,

**Er, cite where my alleged "gross incompetence" has been pointed out.

you fly into screaming, yowling, painful
fits of blind red rage. Stop your self-victimization whining, no one's
buying it, you beliigerent troll.

**Have you noticed that I do not insult anyone else here?


Or are you claiming the exclusive right to
make "unnecessary insults"?

**Absolutely not. It was not I who pushed the conversation down to the
depths to which it has descended.


Now I've seen you same some really STUPID LIES before, but this one
takes the cake.

**Oh really? Let's try some historical fact, shall we? Here are your words:

"Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step."

Those words were uttered, before I responded to anything written by you.


No kidding people consider you to be such an ignorant
prick.

**"People"? Don't you mean: You?

Since you insist on evidence that you never provide, here is the
very first message you wrote to me. The rest were no less violent:

--------------------------------------------------------
**You ****ing idiot. My answers


**Utter and complete bull****.


don't know the ****ing answers, then I


keep your stupid trap shut


supplied without separate grounding wires. Idiot.


you have bugger all


**Utter, banal nonsense


**Oh, you are a real moron
--------------------------------------------------------

**Well, duh. After you wrote:

"Sorry for the response from the last idiot. This place is full of turds
like that, so you have to watch where you step."

I clearly had no choice but to respond in a way you might understand.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au