Maybe I'll Start Hangin' Here

[The Big Cheese]

Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
attributes of Bose.

Seems like I've been successful in running off most of the trolls,
misfits, and psychos out of alt.home.theater-misc, so I'll give it a
shot here. You really need my services here.

Seems like most of the misfits that post here talk about non-audio or
non-A/V products. You dick heads need to go somewhere else. I mean, do
you think Shrub even listens to an audiophool system?

Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
be good enough for you!

Bose, Better Sound Through Better Research

The Big Cheese

[Bob-Stanton]

The Big Cheese > wrote in message >...
> Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
> attributes of Bose.
>
> Seems like I've been successful in running off most of the trolls,
> misfits, and psychos out of alt.home.theater-misc, so I'll give it a
> shot here. You really need my services here.
>
> Seems like most of the misfits that post here talk about non-audio or
> non-A/V products. You dick heads need to go somewhere else. I mean, do
> you think Shrub even listens to an audiophool system?
>
> Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
> throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
> planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
> be good enough for you!
>
> Bose, Better Sound Through Better Research
>


A good place to start would be to tell us the measured performance of
Bose products: What are the frequency response curves? What digital
"tricks" does Bose do to get accurate sound from small boxs? What is
the maximum undistorted sound power level? What is the mean time
between failure. Etc.

I realise you choose the opinion forum, but you are allowed to present
facts here.

Bob Stanton

[Robert Morein]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
> attributes of Bose.
>
> Seems like I've been successful in running off most of the trolls,
> misfits, and psychos out of alt.home.theater-misc, so I'll give it a
> shot here. You really need my services here.
>
> Seems like most of the misfits that post here talk about non-audio or
> non-A/V products. You dick heads need to go somewhere else. I mean, do
> you think Shrub even listens to an audiophool system?
>
Cheese,
I've been praying for someone to replace Howard Ferstler.

Thank you for reaffirming my faith in the almighty.

My first request is -- I hope this doesn't sound too contradictory --
could you please try to antagonize both the tweakos, and sliderule jockeys,
while maintaining an allegedly self-consistent position? Keeps the number of
sockpuppets to the minimum.

It's nice to have a blimp to hover over us all.

[The Big Cheese]

FACTS:

1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.

2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.

3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not happened.

4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.

5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.


Bob-Stanton wrote:

> I realise you choose the opinion forum, but you are allowed to present
> facts here.
>
> Bob Stanton

[The Big Cheese]

Robert, you sound like my kind of person.

I really like ****ing off all the tweakos and misfits who take pleasure
in spending $25,000 on a set of speaker cables and yet cannot hear the
difference in a DBT test.

The agony of defeat probably drove Steve Zipster to an early grave, for
example. Poor little Yamaha integrated kicked big ol' Pass's ass!

The boy probably would have never been able to pick out Bose 901's from
Apogees in a truly blind ABT.

It's nice to be wanted.

The Big Cheese

Robert Morein wrote:

> Cheese,
> I've been praying for someone to replace Howard Ferstler.
>
> Thank you for reaffirming my faith in the almighty.
>
> My first request is -- I hope this doesn't sound too contradictory --
> could you please try to antagonize both the tweakos, and sliderule jockeys,
> while maintaining an allegedly self-consistent position? Keeps the number of
> sockpuppets to the minimum.
>
> It's nice to have a blimp to hover over us all.
>
>
>

[Lionel]

The Big Cheese a écrit :
> FACTS:
>
FACTS :

> 1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.
>
G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans

> 2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.
>
G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans

> 3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
> happened.
>
G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans

> 4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>
G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans

> 5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.
>
Therefore G. W. Bush is an asshole.

--
"Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your ass"
Bad Plus

[The Big Cheese]

Monsieur Looneyel,

From your email address, it appears you are just a french toadie.

Chirac is an even bigger asshole and if he were educated, he would be
able to speak the King's English, but he cannot as he is nothing more
than an ignorant french country bumpkin.

G.W. Bush is multilingual unlike your miserable excrement of a president.

Now, can you say "adios" to the group and just like go away unless you
have something relevant regarding audio to post?

Anyway, in this country we like to eat frogs, but I suspect you're all
asshole and no legs.

The Big Cheese

Lionel wrote:
> The Big Cheese a écrit :
>
>> FACTS:
>>
> FACTS :
>
>> 1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.
>>
> G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans
>
>> 2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.
>>
> G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans
>
>> 3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
>> happened.
>>
> G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans
>
>> 4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>>
> G. W. Bush is the president of 280,000,000 Americans
>
>> 5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.
>>
> Therefore G. W. Bush is an asshole.
>
> --
> "Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your ass"
> Bad Plus
>

[Joseph Oberlander]

Bob-Stanton wrote:

> The Big Cheese > wrote in message >...
>
>>Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
>>attributes of Bose.
>>
>>Seems like I've been successful in running off most of the trolls,
>>misfits, and psychos out of alt.home.theater-misc, so I'll give it a
>>shot here. You really need my services here.

Oh man - talk about the impossible dream.

[The Big Cheese]

Anything is possible if you want it badly enough.

The Big Cheese

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> Bob-Stanton wrote:
>
>> The Big Cheese > wrote in message
>> >...
>>
>>> Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
>>> attributes of Bose.
>>>
>>> Seems like I've been successful in running off most of the trolls,
>>> misfits, and psychos out of alt.home.theater-misc, so I'll give it a
>>> shot here. You really need my services here.
>>
>
> Oh man - talk about the impossible dream.
>

[tor b]

FACTS:

1. McDonalds is the number one hamburger brand in the world.

2. McDonalds sell more hamburgers than all the other hamburger companies
combined.

3. If McDonalds were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
happened.

4. McDonalds has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.

5. Therefore McDonalds is the best hamburger.


I had McDonalds today.... in my car.....

Know what I'm talkin' about?

That's right..... I'm ignorant.

[tor b]

>
>G.W. Bush is multilingual.............
>


Does he plan to learn English?

[Arny Krueger]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message


> FACTS:

> 1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.

Does that mean that all of their speakers are the best in their product
category?

> 2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies
> combined.

I'd like to see proof of that. They're not the biggest consumer electronics
company, and they have lots of very large competitors. When one says "all
other speaker companies combined", they are saying quite a lot.

> 3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
> happened.

Doesn't "Not bad" sound a little like damning with faint praise? What about
people who want something better than "not bad"?

> 4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.

I'd like to see proof of that.

> 5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.

I find it interesting that nowhere did you discuss sound quality, technical
performance, or value for money spent.

On balance, I've never said that Bose were the dregs of the earth and the
worst speaker known to man. It is also quite clear to me that some of their
products don't sound very good, especially given the price. Bose is
well-known for doing things that appeal to the mass market, that also
sharply compromise sound quality.

[Jeffrey Chang]

Is there a reason why you're going around all the major forums asking the
same question?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=320416&perpage=20&highlight=bose&pagenumber=1

There's some excellent answers to your questions about Bose... these are
your postings, correct?

Just wondering why you're extolling the virtues here but accepting Bose's
faults at AVSforum...

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
> attributes of Bose.
>
> Seems like I've been successful in running off most of the trolls,
> misfits, and psychos out of alt.home.theater-misc, so I'll give it a
> shot here. You really need my services here.
>
> Seems like most of the misfits that post here talk about non-audio or
> non-A/V products. You dick heads need to go somewhere else. I mean, do
> you think Shrub even listens to an audiophool system?
>
> Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
> throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
> planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
> be good enough for you!
>
> Bose, Better Sound Through Better Research
>
> The Big Cheese
>

[George M. Middius]

The Big Cheese Shelleyed:

> FACTS:
>
> 1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.

What do you think they use to pipe in the hip-hop at Mickey D's?

> 2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.

Nature made more insects than all the other animals in the animal
kingdom combined.

> 3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not happened.

Some human beings are bad, and yet we keep making them. Sounds
contradictory.

> 4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.

Ford has more repeat car and truck buyers than any other car company.
You do the math.

> 5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.

So Bwian McNutJob has been telling the truth? Amazing.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:36:25 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message

>
>> FACTS:
>
>> 1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.
>
>Does that mean that all of their speakers are the best in their product
>category?
>
>> 2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies
>> combined.
>
>I'd like to see proof of that. They're not the biggest consumer electronics
>company, and they have lots of very large competitors. When one says "all
>other speaker companies combined", they are saying quite a lot.
>
>> 3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
>> happened.
>
>Doesn't "Not bad" sound a little like damning with faint praise? What about
>people who want something better than "not bad"?
>
>> 4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>
>I'd like to see proof of that.
>
>> 5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.
>
>I find it interesting that nowhere did you discuss sound quality, technical
>performance, or value for money spent.
>
>On balance, I've never said that Bose were the dregs of the earth and the
>worst speaker known to man. It is also quite clear to me that some of their
>products don't sound very good, especially given the price. Bose is
>well-known for doing things that appeal to the mass market, that also
>sharply compromise sound quality.

Sucker!

[The Big Cheese]

Tor b, you are much too hard on yourself: Lighten up!

You made an informed choice and picked what you wanted.

You are NOT ignorant.

The Big Cheese

tor b wrote:
> FACTS:
>
> 1. McDonalds is the number one hamburger brand in the world.
>
> 2. McDonalds sell more hamburgers than all the other hamburger companies
> combined.
>
> 3. If McDonalds were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
> happened.
>
> 4. McDonalds has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>
> 5. Therefore McDonalds is the best hamburger.
>
>
> I had McDonalds today.... in my car.....
>
> Know what I'm talkin' about?
>
> That's right..... I'm ignorant.

[The Big Cheese]

He speaks Texan: It's more expressive than English.

Now talk about audio, not politics. This is not a political usenet group.

The Big Cheese

tor b wrote:
>>G.W. Bush is multilingual.............
>>
>
>
>
> Does he plan to learn English?

[The Big Cheese]

Not everyone likes the best.

Not everyone drive a Toyota that never breaks.

Some people choose to not get vaccinations for diseases that can kill
them.

Life is full of people who make bad choices, like those to pass on
buying Bose speakers. I can't save everyone from making a bad choice.

The Big Cheese

Jeffrey Chang wrote:
> Is there a reason why you're going around all the major forums asking the
> same question?
>
> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=320416&perpage=20&highlight=bose&pagenumber=1
>
> There's some excellent answers to your questions about Bose... these are
> your postings, correct?
>
> Just wondering why you're extolling the virtues here but accepting Bose's
> faults at AVSforum...
>

[The Big Cheese]

Middiot writes:

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> The Big Cheese Shelleyed:
>
>
>>FACTS:
>>
>>1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.
>
>
> What do you think they use to pipe in the hip-hop at Mickey D's?

So what's the relevance here?

>
>
>>2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.
>
>
> Nature made more insects than all the other animals in the animal
> kingdom combined.
>

Yes, and you're one of the less advanced insects posting here.

>
>>3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not happened.
>
>
> Some human beings are bad, and yet we keep making them. Sounds
> contradictory.
>

Darwin's theory works, and the bad one eventually go away. Works the
same way in the marketplace, where the good ones, like Bose, just keep
growing and taking market share away from the bad one.

>
>>4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>
>
> Ford has more repeat car and truck buyers than any other car company.
> You do the math.
>

Wrong. GM has more repeat customers than Ford. Look for Ford to be
sold or broken up in less than 3 years.

>
>>5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.
>
>
> So Bwian McNutJob has been telling the truth? Amazing.
>
>

Bwian is well, unique - Nothing quite like it exists on this planet.

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
> attributes of Bose.
>

I furgot ta send your share of the meds. Sorrie.

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> Monsieur Looneyel,
>
> From your email address, it appears you are just a french toadie.
>


R u a ****? I is a ****. we are awl ****s. yipyipyipalooloo!

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> He speaks Texan: It's more expressive than English.
>
>

What do u uze to pollish yer boots?

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> Tor b, you are much too hard on yourself: Lighten up!
>

U make me feel smart. U'r a **** too.

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> Middiot writes:
>
> George M. Middius wrote:
> >
> > The Big Cheese Shelleyed:
> >


doo u drive a Kadillac, ****?

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> Robert, you sound like my kind of person.
>

If you looke on your shoo and it's not mud, what iz it? only a ****
finds out by taste testing with your tung.

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> Not everyone likes the best.
>

U don't get payed for posts, ****. Arny has been lying to U.

[Joseph Oberlander]

tor b wrote:

> FACTS:
>
> 1. McDonalds is the number one hamburger brand in the world.
>
> 2. McDonalds sell more hamburgers than all the other hamburger companies
> combined.
>
> 3. If McDonalds were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
> happened.
>
> 4. McDonalds has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>
> 5. Therefore McDonalds is the best hamburger.

Bad logic. 1+2+3+4 (not equal sign) 5 in this case. Quantity and
low price are not equivalent to quality.

[Smeghead]

Mr Cheese, I bet you couldn't tell allot of difference in a level matched
DBT between a £4000 Bose system and a cheap £400 Sony rig.
So is the Bose system worth £3600 more?, if you think it is explain how it's
worth the extra amount. just like spending money on an overpriced and hyped
up speaker cable or interconnect with a fancy name stuck on it. If the
majority of the public fritter their money away on marketing hype and
designer names as your statistics prove then IMO this has become a very sad
world indeed.

Lets hope the future generations are blessed with more common sense.


"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> Not everyone likes the best.
>
> Not everyone drive a Toyota that never breaks.
>
> Some people choose to not get vaccinations for diseases that can kill
> them.
>
> Life is full of people who make bad choices, like those to pass on
> buying Bose speakers. I can't save everyone from making a bad choice.
>
> The Big Cheese
>
> Jeffrey Chang wrote:
> > Is there a reason why you're going around all the major forums asking
the
> > same question?
> >
> >
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=320416&perpage=20&highlight=bose&pagenumber=1
> >
> > There's some excellent answers to your questions about Bose... these are
> > your postings, correct?
> >
> > Just wondering why you're extolling the virtues here but accepting
Bose's
> > faults at AVSforum...
> >
>

[Robert Morein]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> Middiot writes:
>
snip

>
> Darwin's theory works, and the bad one eventually go away. Works the
> same way in the marketplace, where the good ones, like Bose, just keep
> growing and taking market share away from the bad one.
>
"Bad money crowds out good." -- Gresham's Law.
The audio variant: mpeg crowds out PCM.
> >
> >>4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
> >
Wrong. Crack has more repeat customers.
> >
> > Ford has more repeat car and truck buyers than any other car company.
> > You do the math.
> >
>
> Wrong. GM has more repeat customers than Ford. Look for Ford to be
> sold or broken up in less than 3 years.
>
> >
> >>5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.
> >
Cheese,
A little sublety would go a long way here. The hardest thing to argue
against is something that is almost true. For example, if you were to say,
"Bose makes the best speakers in the under-$300 class", or "The Bose 901"
remains as remarkable today as when it was introduce 90 years ago", a rapid
rise in blood pressure would be perceptible among many of the denizens here.

Personally, I've always found it remarkable that Radio Shack purchased
manufacturing rights to one of the most remarkable tweeters in the world,
the Linaeum, and managed to bury it, partly by adhering to Bose construction
techniques in any version larger than 5 inches.

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article >, says...

>Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
>throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
>planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
>be good enough for you!

Maybe that bose noise is to blame for all the bone headed decisions the
president has been making. Not to mention his cabinet too.
-------------
Alex

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article >, says...

>FACTS:
>1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.

Number one advertising brand. No argument there.

>2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.

I doubt it. I'm sure the guys who make computer speakers, which of
comparable quality to bose, sell more speakers than bose.

>3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not happened.

I've got a bridge to sell you if you believe that. bose advertises more
than anyone else. that is why they sell as many as they do.

>4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.

Based on raw numbers or percentages?

>5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.

The real question is best at what? It certainly isn't sound reproduction.
Ask their ad agency and they will say they are the best spenders.
-----------
Alex

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article >,
says...
>FACTS:
>1. McDonalds is the number one hamburger brand in the world.
>2. McDonalds sell more hamburgers than all the other hamburger companies
>combined.
>3. If McDonalds were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
>happened.
>4. McDonalds has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>5. Therefore McDonalds is the best hamburger.

At least with McD's quality is comensurate with price. Something that
can't be said about bose.
-------------
Alex

[Pedro]

I think you're on to something.... It's only taxpayer dollars, why not
spend the extra cash. Who cares if the dumbass couldn't tell the difference
between a woofer and a frickin ham sandwich.


"Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>
> >Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
> >throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
> >planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
> >be good enough for you!
>
> Maybe that bose noise is to blame for all the bone headed decisions the
> president has been making. Not to mention his cabinet too.
> -------------
> Alex
>
>

[Bob-Stanton]

The Big Cheese > wrote in message >...
> FACTS:
>
> 1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.
>
> 2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.
>
> 3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not happened.
>
> 4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>
> 5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.
>
>

That is a good start, but you've only told us some things we already
know. Do you have any other facts about Bose? Perhaps something
interesting, or useful? Some technical information?

I'm disappointed, I thought you were a Bose insider, but you seem to
know nothing.


Bob Stanton

P.S. You conclusion (line 5) doesn't necessarly follow from 1 - 4.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> In article >, says...
>
>
>>Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
>>throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
>>planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
>>be good enough for you!
>
>
> Maybe that bose noise is to blame for all the bone headed decisions the
> president has been making. Not to mention his cabinet too.

Actually, Bose is made to do exactly what it's supposed to do.

I went into their store the other day at the mall and realized that he
was a brilliant, if misguided engineer. They are artificially NOT
accurate and boost the upper-ranges to compensate for really noisy
environments like malls and vehicles. They sould acceptable in those
environments due to the 50-70dbdb or more crud that drowns out the
upper midrange.

They are made to demo well in their Bose stores and simmilar outlets.
Nothing else.

Get them home, though, and they sound like crap - distorted in
a quiet environment as they are anything but accurate or flat-response.

[The Big Cheese]

You are correct, of course, Deep Goat Boy: The meds will better help
you appreciate the truly superb sound of Bose speakers.

Please start them as soon as possible. Just check your in-box for lots
of offers. Losers like you always get more spam than real email.

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>Maybe I need to start hangin' here and extolling the virtues and
>>attributes of Bose.
>>
>
>
> I furgot ta send your share of the meds. Sorrie.
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Deep Goat Boy,

In case you haven't figured it out, all the frogs are ****s according to
the non-audio posters on this group.

So lets get back to audio and forget the politics - There's other groups
for that, Goat Boy.

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>Monsieur Looneyel,
>>
>> From your email address, it appears you are just a french toadie.
>>
>
>
>
> R u a ****? I is a ****. we are awl ****s. yipyipyipalooloo!
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Deep Goat Boy,

I use the snot that drips from your big nose to polish my boots after
I've beaten the pure livin' **** out of ya'!

I really like it when you use your tongue to spit shine my boots.

The clean and polished boots really help my Bose speakers sound better.

If I need a tube trap to help the bass resonse, I just kick your fat ass
into the appropriate location in my listening room.

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>He speaks Texan: It's more expressive than English.
>>
>>
>
>
> What do u uze to pollish yer boots?
>
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey Goat Boy,

I think you must be a hermaphrodite?

Tell us the truth, Goat Boy.

Can you really **** yourself?

Do you enjoy it?

Is it fun?

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>Tor b, you are much too hard on yourself: Lighten up!
>>
>
>
> U make me feel smart. U'r a **** too.
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey Goat Boy,

I don't need to drive when I have you to carry me everywhere I need to
go on your fat ass!

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>Middiot writes:
>>
>>George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>>>The Big Cheese Shelleyed:
>>>
>>
>
>
> doo u drive a Kadillac, ****?
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey Goat Boy,

Why don't you bone up on your English before you keep posting here.

Nothing more irritating than an fanatical, illiterate rag top like yourself!

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>Robert, you sound like my kind of person.
>>
>
>
> If you looke on your shoo and it's not mud, what iz it? only a ****
> finds out by taste testing with your tung.
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey Goat Boy,

Given your admiration of Arny, are you BWRIAAWHINE's biological twin?

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>Not everyone likes the best.
>>
>
>
> U don't get payed for posts, ****. Arny has been lying to U.
>
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

I guess you flunked macroeconomics or were asleep during the classes.

Quality = the products that bring in the most money. Quality is a
measure of dollar volume for any given product category. When quality
drops, people quit buying. A perfect example of this is Detroit, where
their poor quality cars of the 1970's and 1980's created the market for
high quality Japanese cars, whose dollars sales NOW EXCEED Detroit's,
proving my point.

McDonalds brings in the most money of any hamburger chain.

Do I have to graph it out for you?

The Big Cheese

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> tor b wrote:
>
>> FACTS:
>>
>> 1. McDonalds is the number one hamburger brand in the world.
>>
>> 2. McDonalds sell more hamburgers than all the other hamburger companies
>> combined.
>>
>> 3. If McDonalds were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
>> happened.
>>
>> 4. McDonalds has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>>
>> 5. Therefore McDonalds is the best hamburger.
>
>
> Bad logic. 1+2+3+4 (not equal sign) 5 in this case. Quantity and
> low price are not equivalent to quality.
>

[The Big Cheese]

Smegma, you are an idiot

You've answered your own question. The Bose will of course sound like a
4,000 british pound sterling system while the sony will sound like a
cheap piece of ****.

You obviously don't read your own magazines published in the UK that
have been giving RAVE reviews to all Bose products.

But I can remember anything nice being said about the 400 british pound
sony piece of ****.

When you want to buggar someone again, try your esteemed Prince of Wales
- We hear in the colonies that he has the hots for guys now.

The Big Cheese

Smeghead wrote:
> Mr Cheese, I bet you couldn't tell allot of difference in a level matched
> DBT between a £4000 Bose system and a cheap £400 Sony rig.
> So is the Bose system worth £3600 more?, if you think it is explain how it's
> worth the extra amount. just like spending money on an overpriced and hyped
> up speaker cable or interconnect with a fancy name stuck on it. If the
> majority of the public fritter their money away on marketing hype and
> designer names as your statistics prove then IMO this has become a very sad
> world indeed.
>
> Lets hope the future generations are blessed with more common sense.
>
>
> "The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Not everyone likes the best.
>>
>>Not everyone drive a Toyota that never breaks.
>>
>>Some people choose to not get vaccinations for diseases that can kill
>>them.
>>
>>Life is full of people who make bad choices, like those to pass on
>>buying Bose speakers. I can't save everyone from making a bad choice.
>>
>>The Big Cheese
>>
>>Jeffrey Chang wrote:
>>
>>>Is there a reason why you're going around all the major forums asking
>>
> the
>
>>>same question?
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=320416&perpage=20&highlight=bose&pagenumber=1
>
>>>There's some excellent answers to your questions about Bose... these are
>>>your postings, correct?
>>>
>>>Just wondering why you're extolling the virtues here but accepting
>>
> Bose's
>
>>>faults at AVSforum...
>>>
>>
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Given your last name, are you here legally?

Doesn't matter.

If you don't like the decisions that are being made, do us all a favour
and just leave.

Go back south of the border or someplace where you will be more
comfortable being constantly shaken down by the policia for bribes, etc.

The Big Cheese

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>
>>Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
>>throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
>>planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
>>be good enough for you!
>
>
> Maybe that bose noise is to blame for all the bone headed decisions the
> president has been making. Not to mention his cabinet too.
> -------------
> Alex
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Given your last name, are you here legally?

Doesn't matter.

If you don't like the decisions that are being made, do us all a favour
and just leave.

Go back south of the border or someplace where you will be more
comfortable being constantly shaken down by the policia for bribes, etc.

The Big Cheese

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>
>>Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
>>throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
>>planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
>>be good enough for you!
>
>
> Maybe that bose noise is to blame for all the bone headed decisions the
> president has been making. Not to mention his cabinet too.
> -------------
> Alex
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

So at least you have an asshole (I'm sorry, I meant opinion).

At least your post is audio-related, even it it is wrong.

The Big Cheese

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>>FACTS:
>>1. McDonalds is the number one hamburger brand in the world.
>>2. McDonalds sell more hamburgers than all the other hamburger companies
>>combined.
>>3. If McDonalds were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
>>happened.
>>4. McDonalds has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>>5. Therefore McDonalds is the best hamburger.
>
>
> At least with McD's quality is comensurate with price. Something that
> can't be said about bose.
> -------------
> Alex
>

[The Big Cheese]

I know all, including where all the skeletons are hidden: But I'm under
a non-disclosure and Amar has some VERY GOOD attorneys working for him.
They're looking for me more than some of you morons. Maybe I'll write
a book in another few years.

The Big Cheese

Bob-Stanton wrote:
> The Big Cheese > wrote in message >...
>
> That is a good start, but you've only told us some things we already
> know. Do you have any other facts about Bose? Perhaps something
> interesting, or useful? Some technical information?
>
> I'm disappointed, I thought you were a Bose insider, but you seem to
> know nothing.
>
>
> Bob Stanton

[The Big Cheese]

The Bose equalizer and tone controls will make them sound just as good
at home as they sound at their stores. No recordings are every recorded
truly "flat" - That's why responsible manufacturers put tone controls on
their products, and you see automatic room equalization added to the
higher end Bose LifeStyle systems.

This technology will gradually work it way down to less expensive Bose
systems so everyone can enjoy accurate sound.

And answer honestly, did you actually take home a LifeStyle system with
the automatic room calibration? I thought not.

See, because of your audiophool credentials you've assigned yourself,
you're just another Bose-Basher.

Why don't you just stay in RAHE where your posts make a little more sense?

The Big Cheese

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

>
>
> Actually, Bose is made to do exactly what it's supposed to do.
>
> I went into their store the other day at the mall and realized that he
> was a brilliant, if misguided engineer. They are artificially NOT
> accurate and boost the upper-ranges to compensate for really noisy
> environments like malls and vehicles. They sould acceptable in those
> environments due to the 50-70dbdb or more crud that drowns out the
> upper midrange.
>
> They are made to demo well in their Bose stores and simmilar outlets.
> Nothing else.
>
> Get them home, though, and they sound like crap - distorted in
> a quiet environment as they are anything but accurate or flat-response.
>

[Bob-Stanton]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message



> Personally, I've always found it remarkable that Radio Shack purchased
> manufacturing rights to one of the most remarkable tweeters in the world,
> the Linaeum, and managed to bury it, partly by adhering to Bose construction
> techniques in any version larger than 5 inches.

I had a couple of these tweeters and liked their sound.

When I finally got around to measuring them, I found that the low end
only went down to about 2500 Hz. Opening the tweeter up, I saw only a
simple, one capacitor (6 dB/octave), crossover. I installed a 2nd
order crossover ( C-L ) with values that peaked up the low end. I
picked L-C values such that it was acoustically flat down to 1500 Hz.
That was almost a one octave improvement in bandwidth. It sounds very
nice with the wider range.

Every once in a while Radio Shack will have a good driver for sale.
But, they soon correct their error.

Bob Stanton

[Smeghead]

on www.audioreview.com look for bose reviews, nothing to get overly excited
about IMO. what do you think Mr Cheese? eh? not many 5/5 scores.

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article >, says...
>So at least you have an asshole (I'm sorry, I meant opinion).

My guess is you don't have an asshole, or it is pluged up. That is
why all this **** is backing up and coming up the other end. :)

>At least your post is audio-related, even it it is wrong.

In your opinion. The fact is for the money, bose sucks big time.
Look inside a bose speaker and you will see how cheaply made the
components are. Look in side a comparably priced quality speaker
and you will see superior components and build quality. Not to
mention better sound. That you are such a big bose fan shows that
you are gullible and fall for all the bose advertising.

I will also agree that as much as you are wrong, at least it is audio
related.
----------------
Alex

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article et>,
says...
>Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
>>>throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
>>>planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
>>>be good enough for you!
>> Maybe that bose noise is to blame for all the bone headed decisions the
>> president has been making. Not to mention his cabinet too.
>Actually, Bose is made to do exactly what it's supposed to do.

Their spending shows what this is. Bose spends more on advertising than
on research. So it is obvious that whay they are supposed to do is sell
for a lot of money. Nothing to do with sounding good.

>I went into their store the other day at the mall and realized that he
>was a brilliant, if misguided engineer. They are artificially NOT
>accurate and boost the upper-ranges to compensate for really noisy
>environments like malls and vehicles. They sould acceptable in those
>environments due to the 50-70dbdb or more crud that drowns out the
>upper midrange.

Not to mention their one note bass. No matter how much you boost the signal,
a 6" woofer is not going to produce strong deep bass.

>They are made to demo well in their Bose stores and simmilar outlets.
>Nothing else.

>Get them home, though, and they sound like crap - distorted in
> a quiet environment as they are anything but accurate or flat-response.

Most folks don't want to take back the expensive toy they bought, so they
just think their hearing at home is worse than at the store.
--------------
Alex

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article >, says...
>The Bose equalizer and tone controls will make them sound just as good
>at home as they sound at their stores.

No amount of equalzer manipulation is going to help bose reproduce highs
or lows properly.

>No recordings are every recorded
>truly "flat" - That's why responsible manufacturers put tone controls on
>their products, and you see automatic room equalization added to the
>higher end Bose LifeStyle systems.

All recordings are 'flat' as you put it. They are what is supposed to be
reproduced. It is up to the speaker to come as close to the recording
as possible. Bose can't come close because their speakers cannot produce
lows or highs.

>This technology will gradually work it way down to less expensive Bose
>systems so everyone can enjoy accurate sound.

Auto room eq is actually a good idea. But since you are dealing with
bose speakers, they will still sound crappy. It's like picking up
furniture from the garbage and then having an interior designer come
in to arrange it for you. Your room is still going to look like a
room full of garbage.

>And answer honestly, did you actually take home a LifeStyle system with
>the automatic room calibration? I thought not.

Nope, but i have heard, and seen, enough to know my money is better spent
else where.

>See, because of your audiophool credentials you've assigned yourself,
>you're just another Bose-Basher.

No, my ears, and eyes, tell me Bose is not a good place to spend my money.

If bose cost 1/3 to 1/2 the price they fix, they would probably be an ok buy
for the money.
----------------
Alex

[tor b]

>This technology will gradually work it way down to less expensive Bose
>systems so everyone can enjoy accurate sound.
>


LOL!


You funny.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> Not to mention their one note bass. No matter how much you boost the signal,
> a 6" woofer is not going to produce strong deep bass.

Whole seperate issue. They just don't understand subwoofers.

>

[Joseph Oberlander]

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

>
> No, my ears, and eyes, tell me Bose is not a good place to spend my money.
>
> If bose cost 1/3 to 1/2 the price they fix, they would probably be an ok buy
> for the money.

Want Bose clones? Cambridge Soundworks. I've pulled both apart in the
past and even examined them - they are made in the same factories in China.

CSW's products are okay, though, as they ARE cheap sounding, but inexpensive.
For $80, their PC Works 2.1 system is a fine setup.

[Max Holubitsky]

You mean south of the boarder, where Bose speakers are made?

I thought the whole Bose speaker thing on RAO was dead.... this discussion
is like deja vu of 1997 when I first discovered newsgroups. How long is it
going to be before we get to see the frequency response someone took of his
901's with a Radio Shack SPL meter? - haven't seen that in ages.

Since this is after all an opinion newsgroup, I'll add my $0.02.

Bose experience 1: Personally, I think the AM-5 is not bad - sure you can get
better sound for the money, but they can actually be place properly in a room
where it would be impossible/impractical to place normal speakers properly.

A good example of this, is when the couch faces a wall which has large floor
to ceiling windows, and anything placed in front of them would obstruct a
view. I installed an AM-5 system in such a room, and the results were very
good. I was able to place the satellites such that they provided good stereo
imaging to all of the seats in the room. With conventional speakers, it would
have been almost impossible to get such good placement. The AM-5 speakers may
not be as good as other models at the same price, but in this application it
would have been nearly impossible to use anything else and get good imaging.
The satellites are also physically good looking, and unobtrusive. They don't
have tacky silver trim, or anything else which may draw attention to them in a
negative way.

I will note that the room is very live, with a vaulted ceiling, and hardwood
floors. I put the "bass module" almost in a corner, but not quite. The results
vary quite considerably depending on where the bass module is located, and it
took a while to find the best setup. Once I found it, however, the system
sounds excellent, if not perfectly accurate, with a wide variety of source
material. One curious note, is that when the vertical blinds are closed, the
system loses a bit of treble, and the treble control must be turned up about
half a notch to compensate.

In summary, I have never seen a speaker system which provided the same level
of sound quality for such a minimal space invasion. The AM-5, although not an
audiophile speaker system by any stretch of the imagination, is very
listenable, and I would not hesitate to install it in a room where floor
standing or stand mounted speakers would be impractical. I would take a
properly set up AM-5 any day over conventional speakers which have been
crammed into a room wherever space is available. Placement is everything. I
will also note, that a 50 Watt per channel amplifier is able to drive them to
ear splitting levels - people who criticize these speakers for low efficiency
do not know what they are talking about, the same amplifier will not even wake
up my Magnepans.

Okay time for Bose experience number two. I was so impressed by the AM-5
setup, that I decided to listen to some new series 601s, as I needed some new
speakers for my own stereo. This was a big mistake, the 601s sounded terrible
compared to every other speaker in the store - horrible tweeter, which was
poorly integrated with the boomy woofer. I really don't understand where the
601s are supposed to compete, because at the price level, there are dozens of
similarly sized speakers which are far better in every way possible.

The Big Cheese wrote:

> Given your last name, are you here legally?
>
> Doesn't matter.
>
> If you don't like the decisions that are being made, do us all a favour
> and just leave.
>
> Go back south of the border or someplace where you will be more
> comfortable being constantly shaken down by the policia for bribes, etc.
>
> The Big Cheese
>
> Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >
> >
> >>Amar has installed multiple sets of 901' and Lifestyle 50 systems
> >>throughout Shrub's and the VP's quarters as well as on the Air Force One
> >>planes. So if it's good enough for our President it should sure as hell
> >>be good enough for you!
> >
> >
> > Maybe that bose noise is to blame for all the bone headed decisions the
> > president has been making. Not to mention his cabinet too.
> > -------------
> > Alex
> >
> >

[Michael Mckelvy]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> FACTS:
>
> 1. Bose is the number one speaker brand in the world.
>
Proving most people don't know **** about audio.

> 2. Bose sell more speakers than all the other speaker companies combined.
>
They also use the cheapest drivers, and charge the most for them. They also
spend gobs of money promoting their crap.

> 3. If Bose were bad, people would quit buying them. This has not
happened.
>
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.

> 4. Bose has more repeat customers than any other brand or company.
>
> 5. Therefore Bose is the best speaker.
>
You went to school on a little bitty bus didn't you?
>
> Bob-Stanton wrote:
>
> > I realise you choose the opinion forum, but you are allowed to present
> > facts here.
> >
> > Bob Stanton
>