Best Sounding LP's

[BrianEWilliams]

I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"BrianEWilliams" > wrote in message
om...
> I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
> really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
> the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
> for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
> from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
> interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>
> My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
> WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
> away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
> really deserve a pat on the back.

My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!

Good luck, Brian




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[S888Wheel]

Here is a short list off the top of my head.

Simon and Garfunkel Book Ends Original pressing.

Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy later U.S. pressing with GP written in the dead
wax.

Donovan A gift from a flower to a Garden. Original Epic stereo

Genesis Tresspass. Japanese pressing

Grateful Dead American Beauty original US pressing

These are just a few that are easy to find for the most part.

As for audiophile reissues I would say that MFSL is hit and miss and tend to be
way over priced. Classics are mostly excellent but they have a few turkies as
well. And DCC when you can find them are consistantly excellent. Speakers
Corner reissues are also excellent. EMI Century reissues are usually good and
the EMI millenium reissues are usually bad. Simply Vinyl varies widely from
title to title.

Then ther is classical and Jazz and other genres. Books have been written on
the subject.

[Marc Phillips]

Yustabe said:

>"BrianEWilliams" > wrote in message
om...
>> I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
>> really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
>> the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
>> for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
>> from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
>> interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>>
>> My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
>> WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
>> away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
>> really deserve a pat on the back.
>
>My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
>A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
>I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!

Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years, my
Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about getting
something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few people
that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
stick with it.

I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the plastic
clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this because
it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Brian Williams said:

>I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
>really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
>the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
>for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
>from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
>interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>
>My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
>WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
>away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
>really deserve a pat on the back.

That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?

My best sounding LPs are as follows:

Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
heard. Incredible dynamics.

Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real to
me, especially the ride cymbal.

Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
realistic piano I've heard on a recording.

Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the detail
is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.

The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums of
all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but it
sounds very, very realistic.

I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
when compared to other Beatles LPs.

There are many, many more.

Boon

[Bruce J. Richman]

Mr. Phillips wrote:


>Yustabe said:
>
>>"BrianEWilliams" > wrote in message
om...
>>> I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
>>> really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
>>> the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
>>> for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
>>> from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
>>> interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>>>
>>> My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
>>> WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
>>> away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
>>> really deserve a pat on the back.
>>
>>My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
>>A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
>>I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!
>
>Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years, my
>Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about getting
>something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few
>people
>that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
>stick with it.
>
>I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the
>plastic
>clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
>couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
>also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
>while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this
>because
>it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
>basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
>scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
>much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
>with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)
>
>Boon
>
>
>
>
>
>

Marc, I've owned a VPI 16.5 RCM for about 10 years, and it is built like a
tank. I've virtually had no maintenance or replacement problems with it and
the only think I've ever added to it is a 2nd wand (cf. below) and a
replacement of the "mat" that comes with it after the original wore out. It
may interest you to know that I follow the Disc Doctor protocol and use both
products together. And yes, it is very easy to clean records right on the VPI
RCM's 12" platter with a DD brush and cleaning solution. I use one brush and
DD cleaner as directed by DD, then clean it off with the first wand, then apply
the distilled water rinse with the 2nd DD brush, and then dry the record with
the 2nd VPI wand. This combination of using the DD brushes for
cleaning/rinsing and the VPI RCM for drying both the cleaned record and the
rinsed record seems to work fine.

As for the listener's question about fine sounding LP's, depending on one's
musical tastes, I'd certainly recommend getting some Sheffield direct-to-disc
records on eBay. Most of them are not too expensive, and they are generally
considered among the best sounding LPs ever made. (I like the famous Thelma
Houston disc - I've Got the Music In Me, and for jazz lovers, it's hard to beat
the Harry James big band showpieces).



Bruce J. Richman

[Marc Phillips]

Dr. Richman said:

>Mr. Phillips wrote:
>
>
>>Yustabe said:
>>
>>>"BrianEWilliams" > wrote in message
om...
>>>> I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
>>>> really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
>>>> the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
>>>> for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
>>>> from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
>>>> interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>>>>
>>>> My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
>>>> WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
>>>> away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
>>>> really deserve a pat on the back.
>>>
>>>My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
>>>A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
>>>I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!
>>
>>Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years,
>my
>>Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about
>getting
>>something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few
>>people
>>that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
>>stick with it.
>>
>>I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the
>>plastic
>>clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
>>couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
>>also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
>>while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this
>>because
>>it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
>>basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
>>scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
>>much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
>>with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)
>>
>>Boon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Marc, I've owned a VPI 16.5 RCM for about 10 years, and it is built like a
>tank. I've virtually had no maintenance or replacement problems with it and
>the only think I've ever added to it is a 2nd wand (cf. below) and a
>replacement of the "mat" that comes with it after the original wore out. It
>may interest you to know that I follow the Disc Doctor protocol and use both
>products together. And yes, it is very easy to clean records right on the
>VPI
>RCM's 12" platter with a DD brush and cleaning solution. I use one brush and
>DD cleaner as directed by DD, then clean it off with the first wand, then
>apply
>the distilled water rinse with the 2nd DD brush, and then dry the record with
>the 2nd VPI wand. This combination of using the DD brushes for
>cleaning/rinsing and the VPI RCM for drying both the cleaned record and the
>rinsed record seems to work fine.

That's exactly what I needed to hear. It's the 16.5 for me! Thanks, Doc!

>
>As for the listener's question about fine sounding LP's, depending on one's
>musical tastes, I'd certainly recommend getting some Sheffield direct-to-disc
>records on eBay. Most of them are not too expensive, and they are generally
>considered among the best sounding LPs ever made. (I like the famous Thelma
>Houston disc - I've Got the Music In Me, and for jazz lovers, it's hard to
>beat
>the Harry James big band showpieces).

I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I also
agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.

Boon

[Bruce J. Richman]

Mr. Phillips wrote:


>Brian Williams said:
>
>>I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
>>really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
>>the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
>>for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
>>from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
>>interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>>
>>My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
>>WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
>>away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
>>really deserve a pat on the back.
>
>That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?
>
>My best sounding LPs are as follows:
>
>Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
>Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
>heard. Incredible dynamics.
>
>Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real
>to
>me, especially the ride cymbal.
>
>Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
>realistic piano I've heard on a recording.
>
>Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the
>detail
>is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.
>
>The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums
>of
>all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but
>it
>sounds very, very realistic.
>
>I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
>unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
>when compared to other Beatles LPs.
>
>There are many, many more.
>
>Boon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Of course, a lot of this depends on musical tastes, but here are a few of my
favorite nominations, from different genres, for best sounding LPs:

Classical:

(1) Fremaux, Birmingham Symphony, Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 (The "Organ"
Symphony) - on a Klavier Heavy Vinyl release/reissue (if you can't find or
afford the original). Awe-inspiring with great dynamics. As an aside, the
famous melody from this work was heard throughout the soundtrack of "Babe" -
lol.

(2) L.A. Philharmonic, Various selections by Wagner, on a Sheffield
Direct-to-Disc LP - got a Grammy award for engineering excellence when
originally released. Wait until you hear Ride of the Valkyries on this one!

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five - on a Columbia Six-Eye, or if too hard to find,
the Classic Records reissue of this jazz classic is excellent.

(2) Any of the 3 Harry James big band LP's on Sheffield Direct-to-Disc LPs - I
like King James version best, but all are exceptional, and you'll think the
musicians are in the room!

(3) Bill Berry - For Duke - on M&K - another fabulous and justly well known
direct-to-disc classic with staggering sonics.

(4) Manhattan Transfer - Live! - on Mobile Fidelity. (Most of the Manhattan
Transfer recordings, even in their non-MoFi versions, are very well done).

(5) L.A. Four - Pavane Pour Une Infante Defunte - on East Wind Direct to Disc
LP - one of the best sounding direct to disc LPs you will ever hear, and worth
what you have to pay for it :) Mostly brazilian music such as Black Orpheus,
and if you like this you might also want try and find a copy on Verve of "Jazz
Samba" with Stan Getz & Charlie Byrd.

Popular:

(1) Eric Clapton - Unplugged (my copy is on German vinyl) - very realistic,
live recording.

(2) Muddy Waters - Folk Singer - on Mobile Fidelity - one of the best sounding
blues records you will ever hear. Unfortunately, the high demand has driven up
the price for this, but if you hear it and want a truly great listening
experience, you might be tempted to search for a reasonably priced copy.

(3) Soundtrack - Cat People (a Georgio Moroder score), and a hair raising
performance by David Bowie of "Putting Out the Fire With Gasoline". Very dark,
dynamic music that richly conveys the themes of the film. When I was first
trying to decide if purchasing electrostatics would be OK with pulsating,
driving, dynamic music, this was one of the LPs used for a test. I now own
Martin Logans - 'nuff said.

(4) And for something completely different, the Ry Cooder recording of "Jazz".
An unusual collection of different musical instruments, ragtime, slide guitar -
hard to categorize, but Ry Cooder is worth hearing on just about *any* of his
LPs (Chicken Skin Music is also highly recommended). Unless you've won a
lottery, you won't be able to afford the Mobile Fidelity version of "Jazz" ,
but the everyday Warner Bros. version is very good sounding.

(5) Rickie Lee Jones - Try her first album "Rickie Lee Jones" or "Pop Pop" -
the latter is very closely miked, very intimate, and is very well recorded.






Bruce J. Richman

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Mr. Phillips wrote:
>
>
>
>>Brian Williams said:
>>
>>
>>>I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
>>>really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
>>>the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
>>>for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
>>
>>>from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
>>
>>>interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>>>
>>>My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
>>>WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
>>>away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
>>>really deserve a pat on the back.
>>
>>That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?
>>
>>My best sounding LPs are as follows:
>>
>>Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
>>Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
>>heard. Incredible dynamics.
>>
>>Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real
>>to
>>me, especially the ride cymbal.
>>
>>Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
>>realistic piano I've heard on a recording.
>>
>>Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the
>>detail
>>is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.
>>
>>The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums
>>of
>>all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but
>>it
>>sounds very, very realistic.
>>
>>I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
>>unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
>>when compared to other Beatles LPs.
>>
>>There are many, many more.
>>
>>Boon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Of course, a lot of this depends on musical tastes, but here are a few of my
> favorite nominations, from different genres, for best sounding LPs:
>
> Classical:
>
> (1) Fremaux, Birmingham Symphony, Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 (The "Organ"
> Symphony) - on a Klavier Heavy Vinyl release/reissue (if you can't find or
> afford the original). Awe-inspiring with great dynamics. As an aside, the
> famous melody from this work was heard throughout the soundtrack of "Babe" -
> lol.
>
> (2) L.A. Philharmonic, Various selections by Wagner, on a Sheffield
> Direct-to-Disc LP - got a Grammy award for engineering excellence when
> originally released. Wait until you hear Ride of the Valkyries on this one!
>
> Jazz:
>
> (1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...

>
> (2) Muddy Waters - Folk Singer - on Mobile Fidelity - one of the best
sounding
> blues records you will ever hear. Unfortunately, the high demand has
driven up
> the price for this, but if you hear it and want a truly great listening
> experience, you might be tempted to search for a reasonably priced copy.
>

I actually like my Chess pressing better than my MFSL.




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> >
> > Jazz:
> >
> > (1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>
>
>
> No such record.
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=1078#ebayphotohosting




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[trotsky]

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>
>
>>>Jazz:
>>>
>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>
>>
>>
>>No such record.
>>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=1078#ebayphotohosting


Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.

[John Steed]

Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.

"BrianEWilliams" > wrote in message
om...
> I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
> really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
> the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
> for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
> from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
> interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>
> My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
> WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
> away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
> really deserve a pat on the back.

[S888Wheel]

>
>I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
>Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
>surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
>performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I
>also
>agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.
>
>Boon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.

[MiNE 109]

In article . net>,
trotsky > wrote:

> Bruce J. Richman wrote:

> > Jazz:
> >
> > (1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>
>
>
> No such record.

Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen

[Bruce J. Richman]

Greg Singh wrote:


>Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>> link.net...
>>
>>
>>>>Jazz:
>>>>
>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No such record.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=10
78#ebayphotohosting
>
>
>Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
>fans generally can't get the title right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and research.
They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being continually
exposed as liars and braggarts.



Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

Stephen wrote:


>In article . net>,
> trotsky > wrote:
>
>> Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>
>> > Jazz:
>> >
>> > (1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>
>>
>>
>> No such record.
>
>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>
>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>
>Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the word
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".


Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

Scott wrote:


>>
>>I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
>>Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
>>surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
>>performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I
>>also
>>agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.
>>
>>Boon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'll second that recommendation. The Eric Bibb album is very good, and one of
my favorite folk music records. I've also got some nice Opus 3 LPs featuring,
unfortunately, some rather obscure jazz combos, but are highly listenable.



Bruce J. Richman

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article . net>,
> trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>
>
>>>Jazz:
>>>
>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>
>>
>>
>>No such record.
>
>
> Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>
> Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...


Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a **** about the facts, of course.

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Greg Singh wrote:
>
>
>
>>Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>
>>>"trotsky" > wrote in message
link.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>
>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No such record.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=10
>
> 78#ebayphotohosting
>
>>
>>Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
>>fans generally can't get the title right.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
> about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and research.
> They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being continually
> exposed as liars and braggarts.


You have an odd way of saying "point taken", Bruce. If you need any
more info. on records let me know.

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article . net>,
>>trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>
>>>>Jazz:
>>>>
>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No such record.
>>
>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>>
>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>>
>>Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the word
> advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
> So much for his "expertise".


Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article . net>,
> > trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Jazz:
> >>>
> >>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>No such record.
> >
> >
> > Take Five (Columbia 31769)
> >
> > Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>
>
> Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
> you much give a **** about the facts, of course.
>

I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.

Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Greg Singh wrote:


>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>> Greg Singh wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>>
>>>>"trotsky" > wrote in message
link.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No such record.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=10
>>
>> 78#ebayphotohosting
>>
>>>
>>>Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
>>>fans generally can't get the title right.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
>> about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and
>research.
>> They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being
>continually
>> exposed as liars and braggarts.
>
>
>You have an odd way of saying "point taken", Bruce. If you need any
>more info. on records let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Your inability to comprehend English is duly noted. I'd suggest you try and
get some help for your latest set of delusions.
And since you don't know much of anything about records, which complements
nicely your lack of knowledge about how to successfully design or market
loudspeakers, perhaps you should consider taking up a less demanding topic to
discuss - such as your contributions to meaningful conversation on newsgroups.



Bruce J. Richman

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>
>>>In article . net>,
>>> trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>
>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No such record.
>>>
>>>
>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>>>
>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>>
>>
>>Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
>>you much give a **** about the facts, of course.
>>
>
>
> I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
> Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
> were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
> make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
>
> Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
> on the "Time Out" album.


And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?

[Bruce J. Richman]

Greg Singh wrote:


>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article . net>,
>>>trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>
>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No such record.
>>>
>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>>>
>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>>>
>>>Stephen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the
>word
>> advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
>> So much for his "expertise".
>
>
>Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the audio
products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or Peter
Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.

So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on Audiogon
for perhaps the cost of materials?






Bruce J. Richman

[Marc Phillips]

S888wheel said:

>I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
>

I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is one
of my absolute favorites.

Boon

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Greg Singh wrote:
>
>
>
>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>
>>>Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article . net>,
>>>>trotsky > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No such record.
>>>>
>>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>>>>
>>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>>>>
>>>>Stephen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the
>>
>>word
>>
>>>advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
>>>So much for his "expertise".
>>
>>
>>Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the audio
> products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or Peter
> Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
> Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.
>
> So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on Audiogon
> for perhaps the cost of materials?


It's only a matter of time now. You don't want to admit to the
possibility that I may have one of the best sounding speakers on the
market because you're not really interested in good sound. You're too
busy buying brand names.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Greg Singh wrote:


>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>> Greg Singh wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article . net>,
>>>>>trotsky > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No such record.
>>>>>
>>>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>>>>>
>>>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>>>>>
>>>>>Stephen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the
>>>
>>>word
>>>
>>>>advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
>>>>So much for his "expertise".
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the
>audio
>> products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or
>Peter
>> Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
>> Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.
>>
>> So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on
>Audiogon
>> for perhaps the cost of materials?
>
>
>It's only a matter of time now. You don't want to admit to the
>possibility that I may have one of the best sounding speakers on the
>market because you're not really interested in good sound. You're too
>busy buying brand names.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me and
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might not
believe or what I mght or might not buy?

You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been known
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about any
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about my
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear, I'm
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the same
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces of my
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair of
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about either
electrostatics or Quads specifically.

Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce J. Richman

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

> As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me and
> have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might not
> believe or what I mght or might not buy?
>
> You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been known
> to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about any
> topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
> extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about my
> buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear, I'm
> not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the same
> speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces of my
> system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair of
> Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
> "brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about either
> electrostatics or Quads specifically.
>
> Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
(Marc Phillips) wrote:

> S888wheel said:
>
> >I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
> >
>
> I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is
> one of my absolute favorites.

I found a cd of that one for a buck. Pleasant surprise.

Stephen

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article . net>,
> >>> trotsky > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Jazz:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>No such record.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
> >>>
> >>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
> >>
> >>
> >>Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
> >>you much give a **** about the facts, of course.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
> > Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
> > were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
> > make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
> >
> > Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
> > on the "Time Out" album.
>
>
> And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
>

You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.

Go stuff a port.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Greg Singh wrote:


>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>
>> As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me
>and
>> have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might
>not
>> believe or what I mght or might not buy?
>>
>> You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been
>known
>> to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about
>any
>> topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
>> extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about
>my
>> buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,
>I'm
>> not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the
>same
>> speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces
>of my
>> system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair
>of
>> Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
>> "brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about
>either
>> electrostatics or Quads specifically.
>>
>> Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.
>
>
>
>Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
>went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
>are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
>electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
>Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
>for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
>have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
>too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
>direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
>tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
>VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
>that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
>"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
>with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
>me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>conversation with me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

As usual, you're lieing again. About both your knowledge re. audio and about
my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of what
brands might be worth personally auditioning. 95% of my research involved
actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
turntables are not shared by hardly anybody that has made meaningful
comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of some
English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
sold along with other English brands). But thanks for validating my previous
observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
"sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again you're
wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
judgment, why even discuss them?



Bruce J. Richman

[George M. Middius]

MiNE 109 said:

> > And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?

> You have no case for calling me a liar.

I wonder how long until Greg starts calling people "proven liars".

[Marc Phillips]

Stephen said:

>In article >,
> (Marc Phillips) wrote:
>
>> S888wheel said:
>>
>> >I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
>> >
>>
>> I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is
>
>> one of my absolute favorites.
>
>I found a cd of that one for a buck. Pleasant surprise.

I get very specific visuals of life in Scandinavia during the winter when I
listen to it. It's pretty amazing music.

Also, Opus 3 CDs sound pretty good, but not as good as the LPs.

Boon

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>
>>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article . net>,
>>>>>trotsky > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No such record.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>>>>>
>>>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
>>>>you much give a **** about the facts, of course.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
>>>Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
>>>were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
>>>make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
>>>
>>>Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
>>>on the "Time Out" album.
>>
>>
>>And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
>>
>
>
> You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
> talking about, but neither do you.


Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Greg Singh wrote:
>
>
>
>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me
>>
>>and
>>
>>>have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might
>>
>>not
>>
>>>believe or what I mght or might not buy?
>>>
>>>You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been
>>
>>known
>>
>>>to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about
>>
>>any
>>
>>>topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
>>>extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about
>>
>>my
>>
>>>buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,
>>
>>I'm
>>
>>>not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the
>>
>>same
>>
>>>speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces
>>
>>of my
>>
>>>system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair
>>
>>of
>>
>>>Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
>>>"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about
>>
>>either
>>
>>>electrostatics or Quads specifically.
>>>
>>> Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.
>>
>>
>>
>>Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
>>went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
>>are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
>>electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
>>Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
>>for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
>>have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
>>too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
>>direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
>>tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
>>VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
>>that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
>>"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
>>with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
>>me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>>mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>>conversation with me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> As usual, you're lieing again.


"Lieing"--got it.


About both your knowledge re. audio and about
> my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
> Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
> research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of what
> brands might be worth personally auditioning.


Right, so in your mind if it doesn't show up in a magazine then it isn't
worth auditioning. Exactly as predicted.


95% of my research involved
> actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
> turntables are not shared by hardly anybody


'Not shared by hardly anybody'--got it.


that has made meaningful
> comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
> playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of some
> English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
> sold along with other English brands).


I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?


But thanks for validating my previous
> observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
> "sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again you're
> wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
> judgment, why even discuss them?


True, who discusses audio on this group.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Greg Singh wrote:


>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>> Greg Singh wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or
>might
>>>
>>>not
>>>
>>>>believe or what I mght or might not buy?
>>>>
>>>>You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been
>>>
>>>known
>>>
>>>>to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just
>about
>>>
>>>any
>>>
>>>>topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without
>making
>>>>extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption
>about
>>>
>>>my
>>>
>>>>buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,
>>>
>>>I'm
>>>
>>>>not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the
>>>
>>>same
>>>
>>>>speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces
>>>
>>>of my
>>>
>>>>system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
>>>>"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about
>>>
>>>either
>>>
>>>>electrostatics or Quads specifically.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
>>>went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
>>>are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
>>>electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
>>>Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
>>>for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
>>>have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
>>>too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
>>>direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
>>>tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
>>>VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
>>>that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
>>>"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
>>>with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
>>>me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>>>mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>>>conversation with me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> As usual, you're lieing again.
>
>
>"Lieing"--got it.
>
>

Shall we get into further pettiness? Or just leave that to you as you continue
to lose ground?



> About both your knowledge re. audio and about
>> my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
>> Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
>> research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of
>what
>> brands might be worth personally auditioning.
>
>
>Right, so in your mind if it doesn't show up in a magazine then it isn't
>worth auditioning. Exactly as predicted.
>
>

Just another lie. Your delusions never end, as evidenced above. Mind-reading
attempts duly noted. Failure to understand other people proven in idiotic
response from failed speaker manufacturer.


> 95% of my research involved
>> actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
>> turntables are not shared by hardly anybody
>
>
>'Not shared by hardly anybody'--got it.
>
>

The usual blather from a failed manufacturer.


>that has made meaningful
>> comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
>> playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of
>some
>> English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
>> sold along with other English brands).
>
>
>I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
>accurate, right?
>
>

You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas about
how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former employer
also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat customers
in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that you
were fired?



> But thanks for validating my previous
>> observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
>> "sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again
>you're
>> wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
>> judgment, why even discuss them?
>
>
>True, who discusses audio on this group.
>
>

Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is either to shill
for your speakers or fight with others. Of course, your preference would be to
engage in both obnoxious activities at the same time, correct?



Bruce J. Richman

[ScottW]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
...

> You're bitching about
> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
> conversation with me.

Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?

Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"John Steed" > wrote in message
news:BFOrb.360959$6C4.21435@pd7tw1no...
> Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.

Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.

ScottW

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Greg Singh wrote:

>>I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
>>accurate, right?
>>
>>
>
>
> You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
> say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas about
> how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
> claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
> pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former employer
> also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat customers
> in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that you
> were fired?



Bruce, you're in serious denial here. You want to go toe to toe with me
in an audio discussion? You don't have the backbone.

[trotsky]

ScottW wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>> You're bitching about
>>me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>>mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>>conversation with me.
>
>
> Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
> equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
> country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
> like that?
>
> Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
> hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.


We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't have
to set an alarm clock.

[trotsky]

ScottW wrote:
> "John Steed" > wrote in message
> news:BFOrb.360959$6C4.21435@pd7tw1no...
>
>>Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
>
>
> Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.


Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you bother?

[ScottW]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> ScottW wrote:
> > "John Steed" > wrote in message
> > news:BFOrb.360959$6C4.21435@pd7tw1no...
> >
> >>Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
> >
> >
> > Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.
>
>
> Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you
bother?

No, I don't bother trying to decipher your incoherrent ramblings.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> ScottW wrote:
> > "trotsky" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> >> You're bitching about
> >>me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
> >>mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
> >>conversation with me.
> >
> >
> > Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
> > equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
> > country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
> > like that?
> >
> > Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
> > hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
>
>
> We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't have
> to set an alarm clock.

Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment office.
Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
Slacker.

ScottW

[Arny Krueger]

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message


> Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is either
> to shill for your speakers or fight with others.

That would be plural - purposes.

>Of course, your
> preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
> same time, correct?

This differs from you how, Bruce?

Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:fvXrb.23101$Zb7.9334@fed1read01
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> You're bitching about
>> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>> conversation with me.
>
> Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
> equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
> country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
> like that?

And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here, under the
same conditions?

Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:07:06 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
>hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.

OUCH! A hit, a palpable hit!

--
td

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>In article . net>,
> >>>>>trotsky > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jazz:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No such record.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
> >>>>you much give a **** about the facts, of course.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
> >>>Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
> >>>were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
> >>>make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
> >>>
> >>>Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
> >>>on the "Time Out" album.
> >>
> >>
> >>And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
> >>
> >
> >
> > You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
> > talking about, but neither do you.
>
>
> Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.

And despite that you messed up by saying the generic term 'record'.

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:fvXrb.23101$Zb7.9334@fed1read01
> > "trotsky" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> You're bitching about
> >> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
> >> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
> >> conversation with me.
> >
> > Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
> > equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
> > country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
> > like that?
>
> And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here, under
the
> same conditions?

None
>
> Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.

Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.

ScottW

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
>


> Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
> swollen over this.
>
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.




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"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:fvXrb.23101$Zb7.9334@fed1read01
>>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> You're bitching about
>>>> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>>>> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>>>> conversation with me.
>>>
>>> Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
>>> equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
>>> country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
>>> like that?
>>
>> And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here,
>> under the same conditions?
>
> None
>>
>> Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
>
> Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
> swollen over this.

I'll just chalk it up as another example of your childish dissembling,
Scotty.

[trotsky]

ScottW wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>ScottW wrote:
>>
>>>"John Steed" > wrote in message
>>>news:BFOrb.360959$6C4.21435@pd7tw1no...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.
>>
>>
>>Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you
>
> bother?
>
> No, I don't bother trying to decipher your incoherrent ramblings.


Perhaps with your system the record actually sounds better without the
DBX decoding.

[trotsky]

ScottW wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>ScottW wrote:
>>
>>>"trotsky" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You're bitching about
>>>>me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>>>>mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>>>>conversation with me.
>>>
>>>
>>>Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
>>>equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
>>>country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
>>>like that?
>>>
>>>Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
>>>hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
>>
>>
>>We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't have
>>to set an alarm clock.
>
>
> Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment office.
> Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
> Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
> Slacker.



You sound like a coward, Scott. Just stay in your plasticene world and
contemplate your limp dick.

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:07:06 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
>>hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
>
>
> OUCH! A hit, a palpable hit!


Spoken like a true anonymouse. Tell us about your work history,
"Devil". I can see why half your family turned out gay.

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>
>>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article . net>,
>>>>>>>trotsky > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jazz:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No such record.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
>>>>>>you much give a **** about the facts, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
>>>>>Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
>>>>>were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
>>>>>make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
>>>>>
>>>>>Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
>>>>>on the "Time Out" album.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
>>>talking about, but neither do you.
>>
>>
>>Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.
>
>
> And despite that you messed up by saying the generic term 'record'.


Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.

[trotsky]

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
>
>
>
>>Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
>>swollen over this.
>>
>
> Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.



That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll get
your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
this guilt by association.

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> ScottW wrote:
>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> ScottW wrote:
>>>
>>>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You're bitching about
>>>>> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>>>>> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>>>>> conversation with me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
>>>> equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
>>>> country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
>>>> like that?
>>>>
>>>> Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
>>>> hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
>>>
>>>
>>> We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't
>>> have to set an alarm clock.
>>
>>
>> Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment
>> office. Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
>> Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
>> Slacker.
>
>
>
> You sound like a coward, Scott. Just stay in your plasticene world
> and contemplate your limp dick.

If I've been tracking the story of ScottW, he's a guy who drives a pickup
truck and dreams about listening to ESL 63s. A pretty weird picture, if you
ask me. Seems like a mixed-media collection of stereotypes from the mind of
Marc Phillips.

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:07:06 -0800, "ScottW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
>>> hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
>>
>>
>> OUCH! A hit, a palpable hit!
>
>
> Spoken like a true anonymouse. Tell us about your work history,
> "Devil". I can see why half your family turned out gay.

Yup, a really brave dude. No name, no address, no job, big filthy mouth, and
red hot at making up photo-renditions of his make-believe world with
PhotoShop. A Marc Phillips/George Middius kind of guy.

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
>>> swollen over this.
>>>
>>
>> Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
>
>
>
> That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
> get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
> assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
> this guilt by association.

Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the bigger
idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins, everybody else
on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a thing or two!

;-)

[jrhslick]

Willie Nelson "Stardust"

"BrianEWilliams" > wrote in message
om...
> I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
> really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
> the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
> for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
> from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
> interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>
> My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
> WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
> away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
> really deserve a pat on the back.

[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>
>
>>Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>
>>>"ScottW" > wrote in message
>>>news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
>>>>swollen over this.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
>>get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
>>assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
>>this guilt by association.
>
>
> Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the bigger
> idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins, everybody else
> on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a thing or two!
>
> ;-)



As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips. And as long as he
doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you **** your dead
kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just about
everything you have to say. Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but since he
decided to open he big fat ****ing mouth here I don't think I can give
him a pass anymore. Scott and George, of course, I'd say we're about
equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come clean about his
agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has audio discussions
to fall back on. "Scott", of course, is about as interesting as a
cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as needed.

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>>> news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
>>>>> swollen over this.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
>>> get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the
>>> biggest assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come
>>> from I call this guilt by association.
>>
>>
>> Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the
>> bigger idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins,
>> everybody else on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a
>> thing or two!
>>
>> ;-)
>
>
>
> As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips.

This week.

> And as long as
> he doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you **** your
> dead kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just
> about everything you have to say.

You're a slow learner, grasshopper.

> Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but
> since he decided to open he big fat ****ing mouth here I don't think
> I can give him a pass anymore.

You're a slow learner, grasshopper.

> Scott and George, of course, I'd say
> we're about equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come
> clean about his agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has
> audio discussions to fall back on.

You're a slow learner, grasshopper.

>"Scott", of course, is about as
> interesting as a cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as
> needed.

It took me too long to figure out how vacuous and vile he is. He's just Marc
Philips with a pickup truck and a pocket protector.

You're getting half a pass from me Singh, because you actually tried to do
something with audio that required personal interaction, not just spending
money (i.e., Jupiter). You get points for learning from it how two-faced
and mentally sterile some of these guys are. It's all about dominance, audio
is just a source of tokens.

You lost points for getting suckered by Weil, the currently dominance-queen
of RAO. He ascended to that position when senile dementia really started
hitting Middius.

For extra credit Singh, show that you've learning something about audio from
the experience.

[George M. Middius]

Gaily lying to suit today's agenda, Gregipus explores his unique
reality.

> I've given George ample opportunities to come clean about his
> agenda, but he won't do it.

You are too much. Do you write your own material?

Apparently all you have to do is accuse somebody of having "an
agenda", and there ends your burden of proof. Tell us what your agenda
is, Fag-Boy, and then maybe you'll be able to answer the question I've
put to you a dozen times now.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
> > news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
> >
> >
> >
> >>Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
> >>swollen over this.
> >>
> >
> > Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
>
>
>
> That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll get
> your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
> assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
> this guilt by association.
>

I see your buddy Arny has already seconded your emotion..
Nice friend you got there.




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[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

> Gaily lying to suit today's agenda, Gregipus explores his unique
> reality.
>
>> I've given George ample opportunities to come clean about his
>> agenda, but he won't do it.

> You are too much. Do you write your own material?

Who else would lower themselves to take credit?

> Apparently all you have to do is accuse somebody of having "an
> agenda", and there ends your burden of proof.

That senile dementia is really slowing you down, eh "George"?

Singh didn't put you down for having an agenda George, he said that your
agenda needed cleaning-up. That reading module of yours is really going down
fast, isn't it?

>Tell us what your agenda is, Fag-Boy, and then maybe you'll be able to
answer the question I've
> put to you a dozen times now.

Typically George, your so-called questions are rhetorical. IOW they are
statements of what you believe to be fact. They therefore should not need a
reply. Regrettably you typically get just about everything wrong, so they
often need replies. If you only got out more...

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>
>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.

And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?

Right.

What's good for the goose and all that...

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said:

> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
> to?

> What's good for the goose and all that...

I think Greg is neither goose nor gander.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >>>> news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
> >>>>> swollen over this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
> >>> get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the
> >>> biggest assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come
> >>> from I call this guilt by association.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the
> >> bigger idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins,
> >> everybody else on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a
> >> thing or two!
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips.
>
> This week.
>
> > And as long as
> > he doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you **** your
> > dead kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just
> > about everything you have to say.
>
> You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
>
> > Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but
> > since he decided to open he big fat ****ing mouth here I don't think
> > I can give him a pass anymore.
>
> You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
>
> > Scott and George, of course, I'd say
> > we're about equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come
> > clean about his agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has
> > audio discussions to fall back on.
>
> You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
>
> >"Scott", of course, is about as
> > interesting as a cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as
> > needed.
>
> It took me too long to figure out how vacuous and vile he is. He's just
Marc
> Philips with a pickup truck and a pocket protector.
>
> You're getting half a pass from me Singh, because you actually tried to
do
> something with audio that required personal interaction, not just spending
> money (i.e., Jupiter). You get points for learning from it how two-faced
> and mentally sterile some of these guys are. It's all about dominance,
audio
> is just a source of tokens.
>
> You lost points for getting suckered by Weil, the currently
dominance-queen
> of RAO. He ascended to that position when senile dementia really started
> hitting Middius.
>
> For extra credit Singh, show that you've learning something about audio
from
> the experience.
>
>

Greg, are you enjoying this condescending ass ****ing from
your new found friend?




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[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>
>
>>Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>>"trotsky" > wrote in message

>>>
>>>
>>>>Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"ScottW" > wrote in message
>>>>>news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
>>>>>>swollen over this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
>>>>get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the
>>>>biggest assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come
>>>>from I call this guilt by association.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the
>>>bigger idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins,
>>>everybody else on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a
>>>thing or two!
>>>
>>>;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips.
>
>
> This week.
>
>
>>And as long as
>>he doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you **** your
>>dead kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just
>>about everything you have to say.
>
>
> You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
>
>
>> Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but
>>since he decided to open he big fat ****ing mouth here I don't think
>>I can give him a pass anymore.
>
>
> You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
>
>
>> Scott and George, of course, I'd say
>>we're about equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come
>>clean about his agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has
>>audio discussions to fall back on.
>
>
> You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
>
>
>>"Scott", of course, is about as
>>interesting as a cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as
>>needed.
>
>
> It took me too long to figure out how vacuous and vile he is. He's just Marc
> Philips with a pickup truck and a pocket protector.
>
> You're getting half a pass from me Singh, because you actually tried to do
> something with audio that required personal interaction, not just spending
> money (i.e., Jupiter). You get points for learning from it how two-faced
> and mentally sterile some of these guys are. It's all about dominance, audio
> is just a source of tokens.
>
> You lost points for getting suckered by Weil, the currently dominance-queen
> of RAO. He ascended to that position when senile dementia really started
> hitting Middius.
>
> For extra credit Singh, show that you've learning something about audio from
> the experience.



Okay, I'll do that right after you show you don't make a mockery of the
concept of Christianity.

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>
>
> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
> to?


You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
of life for yourself then so be it.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>
>
>dave weil wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>>
>>
>> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>> to?
>
>
>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
>of life for yourself then so be it.

SCOrE'Re!

[Bruce J. Richman]

Greg Singh wrote:


>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>> Greg Singh wrote:
>
>>>I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
>>>accurate, right?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
>> say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas
>about
>> how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
>> claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
>> pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former
>employer
>> also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat
>customers
>> in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that
>you
>> were fired?
>
>
>
>Bruce, you're in serious denial here. You want to go toe to toe with me
>in an audio discussion? You don't have the backbone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Inability to answer reasonable question duly noted. Delusional bragging
observed and as always, quite predictable. Singh found to simply be trying out
his latest stolen material from "Lies 'R Us".



Bruce J. Richman

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article >, trotsky >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>In article >, trotsky >
> >>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In article . net>,
> >>>>>>>trotsky > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Jazz:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>No such record.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Take Five (Columbia 31769)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not
> >>>>>>that
> >>>>>>you much give a **** about the facts, of course.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
> >>>>>Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
> >>>>>were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
> >>>>>make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
> >>>>>on the "Time Out" album.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
> >>>talking about, but neither do you.
> >>
> >>
> >>Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.
> >
> >
> > And despite that you messed up by saying the generic term 'record'.
>
>
> Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
> and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
> how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.

No lying involved, but there's there's no use explaining why because you
don't know what 'lying' means.

You said 'record' when the subject line said 'lp'. Did you forget to
take the subject line into account?

You've been out-pedanted.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Arny Krueger wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

>
>> Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is either
>> to shill for your speakers or fight with others.
>
>That would be plural - purposes.
>
>>Of course, your
>> preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
>> same time, correct?
>
>This differs from you how, Bruce?
>

Since you have been proven over and over again to be RAO's most widely despised
and hated poster for your lengthy history of character assassination, lyiing
about others, and smearing any and all who disagree with you, your question is
worthless, Arny. Your hypocrisy in defense of Singh simply validates all the
scorn you've richly earned over the years on RAO.





>Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.
>
>
>
>
>

I've never claimed to be an audio manufacturer. You, on the other hand, have
constantly tried to spread your anti-preference, anti-subjective opinion
bull**** on RAO by making false claims about your agenda-driven website
dedicated to nothing more than the denial of individual differences in
selection oif audio equipment.

Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a lot in
common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what others think and
do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote your self-serving propaganda
about audio, music, and products that very few people want.




Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

jrhslick wrote:


>Date: 11/11/2003 8:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Willie Nelson "Stardust"

I'm sorry I forgot to mention this one. It's a great recording of standards
with extremely pleasing sonics. On Columbia JC 35305.






Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

George M. Middius wrote:


>dave weil said:
>
>> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>> to?
>
>> What's good for the goose and all that...
>
>I think Greg is neither goose nor gander.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

It looks like he and Krueger are planning to to some experiments in the near
future to determine which of them will take each roll (sic).


Bruce J. Richman

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >dave weil wrote:
> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
> >>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
> >>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> >>
> >>
> >> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
> >> to?
> >
> >
> >You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
> >that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
> >even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
> >is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
> >of life for yourself then so be it.
>
> SCOrE'Re!

There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
else made it.

Here's a quiz for Greg:

I'll bet you were one of those idiots who

a) rhyme ZZ Top's "Tush" with 'push'

b) refer to Sheryl Crow's "The First Cut Is The Deepest" as a 'Rod
Stewart song'

c) pronounce Kinksmen Ray and Dave's last name 'day-vees'

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:56:20 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >dave weil wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>> >>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>> >>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>> >> to?
>> >
>> >
>> >You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
>> >that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
>> >even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
>> >is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
>> >of life for yourself then so be it.
>>
>> SCOrE'Re!
>
>There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
>else made it.

Well, to be fair to Greg, I did once write "the Talking Heads". In
Greg's world, this is a horrible sin, even though it was probably just
a "conversational" gaffe. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not I
*never* made that gaffe when announcing their music. I certainly
wasn't perfect in my announcing duties over the years. In thousands of
on-air hours, I'm sure I said things that anal ****s like Greg could
have called me on.

Frankly, a guy who didn't even know every single little detail about
King Crimson should probably turn in their Prog Card. Especially since
ScottW kicked his butt in that regard.

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:56:20 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > dave weil > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >dave weil wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
> >> >>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
> >> >>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
> >> >> to?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
> >> >that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
> >> >even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
> >> >is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
> >> >of life for yourself then so be it.
> >>
> >> SCOrE'Re!
> >
> >There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
> >else made it.
>
> Well, to be fair to Greg, I did once write "the Talking Heads". In
> Greg's world, this is a horrible sin, even though it was probably just
> a "conversational" gaffe. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not I
> *never* made that gaffe when announcing their music. I certainly
> wasn't perfect in my announcing duties over the years. In thousands of
> on-air hours, I'm sure I said things that anal ****s like Greg could
> have called me on.
>
> Frankly, a guy who didn't even know every single little detail about
> King Crimson should probably turn in their Prog Card. Especially since
> ScottW kicked his butt in that regard.

It's tough to be a casual Crimson fan. I saw the relatively recent Ian
McDonald obituaries and had to do research to figure out how the guy who
wrote about Shostakovich and the Beatles (odd enough to start with) was
involved with Quiet Sun and Manzanera but not Crimson and Foreigner.

Sorry, the King Crimsons and the Foreigners.

Stephen

[Marc Phillips]

jrhslick said:

>Willie Nelson "Stardust"
>

Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times over
the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
pressing sounds as good, if not better?

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is
>>> either to shill for your speakers or fight with others.
>>
>> That would be plural - purposes.
>>
>>> Of course, your
>>> preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
>>> same time, correct?
>>
>> This differs from you how, Bruce?

Bruce gives us his 463rd rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
a crap-slinging contest:

> Since you have been proven over and over again to be RAO's most
> widely despised and hated poster for your lengthy history of
> character assassination, lyiing about others, and smearing any and
> all who disagree with you, your question is worthless, Arny. Your
> hypocrisy in defense of Singh simply validates all the scorn you've
> richly earned over the years on RAO.

>> Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.

> I've never claimed to be an audio manufacturer.

Doncha think this is a rather defensive response to a simple statement of
fact, Bruce?

> You, on the other
> hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
> anti-subjective opinion bull**** on RAO by making false claims about
> your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
> of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.

Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
yet another crap-slinging contest:

> Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
> lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
> others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
> your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
> very few people want.

Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
yet another crap-slinging contest:

[dave weil]

On 11 Nov 2003 19:03:41 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

>jrhslick said:
>
>>Willie Nelson "Stardust"
>>
>
>Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times over
>the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
>one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
>pressing sounds as good, if not better?
>
>Boon

This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
errant roomie and this is one of them).

Wow.

Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.

I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
going to have to pull that out and listen.

PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
thing, sonics-wise.

I should now make the requisite Hounds of Love Kate Bush reference.
Once again, side 2 is just extraordinary.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> You, on the other
>> hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
>> anti-subjective opinion bull**** on RAO by making false claims about
>> your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
>> of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
>
>Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>yet another crap-slinging contest:
>
>> Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
>> lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
>> others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
>> your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
>> very few people want.
>
>Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>yet another crap-slinging contest:

What's the last colon for, Arnold?

[Bruce J. Richman]

Arny Krueger wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is
>>>> either to shill for your speakers or fight with others.
>>>
>>> That would be plural - purposes.
>>>
>>>> Of course, your
>>>> preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
>>>> same time, correct?
>>>
>>> This differs from you how, Bruce?
>
>Bruce gives us his 463rd rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>a crap-slinging contest:
>

Kruger is once again lying and making things up, as is his custom. He asked
his insulting question, which is in itself a lie, simply to try and generate
flames in a discussion in which he was not previously involved. This is
typical Krueger behavior, i.e. interject insulting comments or questions in a
conversation not previously involving him.



>> Since you have been proven over and over again to be RAO's most
>> widely despised and hated poster for your lengthy history of
>> character assassination, lyiing about others, and smearing any and
>> all who disagree with you, your question is worthless, Arny. Your
>> hypocrisy in defense of Singh simply validates all the scorn you've
>> richly earned over the years on RAO.
>

<Krueger's inability to refute the above factual claim duly noted>



>>> Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.
>
>> I've never claimed to be an audio manufacturer.
>
>Doncha think this is a rather defensive response to a simple statement of
>fact, Bruce?
>

No, Arny. But your delusional interpretation makes you appear even more
foolish than usual, doesn't it?



>> You, on the other
>> hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
>> anti-subjective opinion bull**** on RAO by making false claims about
>> your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
>> of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
>
>Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>yet another crap-slinging contest:
>

Just another answer of Arny's deceptive cut-and-paste repetitions of prevfious
lies.

The so-called "querstion" to which Krueger was referring was asked with no
answer either anticipated or wanted. Like his friend and ally, Singh, Krueger
asks questions only to perpetuate his usual personal insults in a different
grammatical form. It's typical of his transpareent dissemblikng, but fools
nobody.




>> Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
>> lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
>> others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
>> your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
>> very few people want.
>

Krueger refuses to answer the question of why he and Greg don't get a room so
that they can better share their common pathological views and practices.
Instead, all he can offer his another cut-and-paste repetition of his usual
bull****.



>Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>yet another crap-slinging contest:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Quite predictable compulsive lying as a repetitive substitute for either
truthful or original thought by Krueger duly noted.

LOL!



Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

Dave Weil wrote:


>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>wrote:
>
>>> You, on the other
>>> hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
>>> anti-subjective opinion bull**** on RAO by making false claims about
>>> your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
>>> of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
>>
>>Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>>yet another crap-slinging contest:
>>
>>> Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
>>> lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
>>> others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
>>> your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
>>> very few people want.
>>
>>Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>>yet another crap-slinging contest:
>
>What's the last colon for, Arnold?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Krueger likes to use cut-and-paste methodology to more efficiently repeat his
lies on RAO. Actually whenever one of his lies occurs, usually within a few
lines of another person's posts, the term "high colonic" seems appropriate.



Bruce J. Richman

[Todd LaRoc]

(BrianEWilliams) wrote in message >...
> I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
> really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
> the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
> for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
> from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
> interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
>
> My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
> WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
> away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
> really deserve a pat on the back.

Dude,

That's a great record. If you want to hear something that'll really
knock the socks of your ass, check out BACK IN BLACK on vinyl. I'm
tellin' you, it'll blow you away. If you want crunch, look no further.

Rock On,

Todd LaRoc
http://profiles.yahoo.com/toddlaroc

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
(Todd LaRoc) wrote:

> (BrianEWilliams) wrote in message
> >...
> > I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
> > really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
> > the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
> > for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
> > from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
> > interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
> >
> > My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
> > WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
> > away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
> > really deserve a pat on the back.
>
> Dude,
>
> That's a great record. If you want to hear something that'll really
> knock the socks of your ass, check out BACK IN BLACK on vinyl. I'm
> tellin' you, it'll blow you away. If you want crunch, look no further.

There's a new release. Anyone heard it?

Stephen

[tor 2 u]

Arny Krueger wrote in message >:

> Bruce gives us his 463rd rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
> doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
> a crap-slinging contest:
>
> Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
> doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
> yet another crap-slinging contest:
>
> Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
> doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
> yet another crap-slinging contest:

Arny, please stop saying the same thing over and over. I get dizzy reading your
posts.



Arny is My Kroo-Daddy

[Marc Phillips]

dave said:

>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>wrote:
>
>>> You, on the other
>>> hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
>>> anti-subjective opinion bull**** on RAO by making false claims about
>>> your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
>>> of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
>>
>>Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>>yet another crap-slinging contest:
>>
>>> Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
>>> lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
>>> others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
>>> your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
>>> very few people want.
>>
>>Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
>>doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
>>yet another crap-slinging contest:
>
>What's the last colon for, Arnold?

He had to go potty.

Boon

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> dave weil wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
> >>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
> >>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> >
> >
> > And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
> > to?
>
>
> You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
> that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
> even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
> is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
> of life for yourself then so be it.
>

I have that album by the Talking Heads.

Have any more minutia to whine about?




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[Marc Phillips]

dave said:

>On 11 Nov 2003 19:03:41 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
>wrote:
>
>>jrhslick said:
>>
>>>Willie Nelson "Stardust"
>>>
>>
>>Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times
>over
>>the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
>>one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
>>pressing sounds as good, if not better?
>>
>>Boon
>
>This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
>is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
>might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
>errant roomie and this is one of them).
>
>Wow.
>
>Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
>keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
>keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.
>
>I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
>going to have to pull that out and listen.
>
>PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
>especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
>Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
>thing, sonics-wise.

I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.

>
>I should now make the requisite Hounds of Love Kate Bush reference.
>Once again, side 2 is just extraordinary.

Agreed. I have a really nice UK pressing of "The Dreaming," which I used to
use as a reference disc. It's a complex, cluttered mix, and can sound really
awful on inferior equipment. But with the right system, it's pretty awesome.

Boon

[ScottW]

trotsky > wrote in message >...
> ScottW wrote:
> > "trotsky" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>
> >>ScottW wrote:
> >>
> >>>"John Steed" > wrote in message
> >>>news:BFOrb.360959$6C4.21435@pd7tw1no...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you
> >
> > bother?
> >
> > No, I don't bother trying to decipher your incoherrent ramblings.
>
>
> Perhaps with your system the record actually sounds better without the
> DBX decoding.

I don't think so, then it would sound like your system and you may
have a different opinion. You do have a unique opinion of good sound.

ScottW

[trotsky]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> dave said:
>
>
>>On 11 Nov 2003 19:03:41 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>jrhslick said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Willie Nelson "Stardust"
>>>>
>>>
>>>Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times
>>
>>over
>>
>>>the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
>>>one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
>>>pressing sounds as good, if not better?
>>>
>>>Boon
>>
>>This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
>>is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
>>might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
>>errant roomie and this is one of them).
>>
>>Wow.
>>
>>Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
>>keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
>>keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.
>>
>>I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
>>going to have to pull that out and listen.
>>
>>PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
>>especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
>>Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
>>thing, sonics-wise.
>
>
> I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
> punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
> decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
> album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
> Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
> Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.


The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
sounding records.

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> news:fvXrb.23101$Zb7.9334@fed1read01
> >>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>> You're bitching about
> >>>> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
> >>>> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
> >>>> conversation with me.
> >>>
> >>> Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
> >>> equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
> >>> country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
> >>> like that?
> >>
> >> And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here,
> >> under the same conditions?
> >
> > None
> >>
> >> Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
> >
> > Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
> > swollen over this.
>
> I'll just chalk it up as another example of your childish dissembling,
> Scotty.


So what happened to your argument? You give Singh a pass on trashing
equipment he is totally unfamiliar with? You give him a pass on
trashing a preamp simply because it's a Yamaha? But you do give him a
pass for whipping up some simple bookshelfs and trying to retail them
for about 3x what they are worth. The same high-end ripoff you have
supposedly opposed.
What happened to you? Forget your calling in life or what?

ScottW

[dave weil]

On 11 Nov 2003 21:02:05 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

>>
>>This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
>>is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
>>might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
>>errant roomie and this is one of them).
>>
>>Wow.
>>
>>Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
>>keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
>>keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.
>>
>>I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
>>going to have to pull that out and listen.

Did it and found out that Stardust is quite a bit better. If you
hadn't heard Stardust recently, it would sound extremely good. Yet,
Stardust sounds so much more natural.

>>PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
>>especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
>>Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
>>thing, sonics-wise.
>
>I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
>punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
>decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
>album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
>Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
>Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.

When I inherited the large stash of LPs, I got a lot of things that I
had in my pre-punk days. You know, all of the Kansas albums - Ted
Nugent, Pat Travers, Journey, etc. Of course, I got a buttload of
half-speed mastered stuff and some choice classical stuff as well. But
i also got some things that might be considered "guilty pleasure"
stuff as well, like Heart, Loggins and Messina, etc. And I got almost
all of the Heart except for the first one, including a half-speed
mastered Little Queen, which I'm going to go put on and see if it's
worn well (I still love Barracuda <g>). Nada One/Mistral Wind are
worth the price of admission alone on Dog and Butterfly. I still like
calling side one the "Dog" side. <g>

>>I should now make the requisite Hounds of Love Kate Bush reference.
>>Once again, side 2 is just extraordinary.
>
>Agreed. I have a really nice UK pressing of "The Dreaming," which I used to
>use as a reference disc. It's a complex, cluttered mix, and can sound really
>awful on inferior equipment. But with the right system, it's pretty awesome.

I've got a nice German pressing as well as a slightly battered US
pressing. Fortunately, I just replaced my trashed version of Hounds of
Love with a mint British marbled vinyl copy, a record that I'm playing
quite sparingly, thank you very much.

The dynamics on side two of Hounds of Love is are just amazing, and,
as you say about The Dreaming, quite cluttered at times. I love
listening to it on a rainy night at 1 am.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:20:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
>> punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
>> decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
>> album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
>> Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
>> Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.
>
>
>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>sounding records.

I think that the thing that I have a problem with in terms of
Dreamboat Annie is the apparent overuse of the Aural Aphex Exciter,
which makes it sound good on the radio, but makes it sound a little
"overblown" on a good system.

However, I haven't heard it in a long time, so maybe I should go back
and reinvestigate it. I remember the impact that it made when it came
out of nowhere and I'm sure that I wore it out in the year or so after
its release.

Having just put on Little Queen, I still give the edge to Dog and
Butterfly.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
om
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >...
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>>> news:fvXrb.23101$Zb7.9334@fed1read01
>>>>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're bitching about
>>>>>> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
>>>>>> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
>>>>>> conversation with me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
>>>>> equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
>>>>> country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
>>>>> like that?

>>>> And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here,
>>>> under the same conditions?

>>> None

Wrong. Do I need to provide quotes from google? I researched this issue
before I made my comment.

>>>> Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.

>>> Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
>>> swollen over this.

Whatever.

>> I'll just chalk it up as another example of your childish
>> dissembling, Scotty.

> So what happened to your argument?

It's simple Scotty, the argument ended when you declined to give an honest
answer.

>You give Singh a pass on trashing
> equipment he is totally unfamiliar with?

As usual, you've got it completely backward Scotty. I pointed out that
you're as guilty of trashing gear you never heard as he is.

>You give him a pass on
> trashing a preamp simply because it's a Yamaha?

Again, you've got it completely backward Scotty. I pointed out that you're
as guilty of trashing gear you never heard as he is.

> But you do give him a
> pass for whipping up some simple bookshelfs and trying to retail them
> for about 3x what they are worth.

No, I gave him a limited amount of credit for actually getting his hands
dirty and trying to build some audio gear from raw parts. Who on RAO has
done that? McKelvey has done it. I do it all the time. Singh gave it a
limited try. Who else?

> The same high-end ripoff you have supposedly opposed.

I've made my share of negative comments about Singh's pricing and
substantiated my comments with real-world examples and quotes from
manufacturers.

> What happened to you? Forget your calling in life or what?

I'm just holding you accountable for what you said, Scotty. No need to melt
down over it. It happens all the time.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:20:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>sounding records.

"After being in Vancouver for a while, Flicker got wind that someone
was actually attempting to build a good studio in town. "The guy who
was building it basically had a broadcast studio in his mind with the
thought that someday it could also be a recording studio, but he was
building it properly. It was built halfway into a hillside, and he was
going to put some good equipment in there. Unfortunately, in midstream
he had some health problems and was forced to retire. So with help
from some investors we bought his half and then put together the first
16-track studio in Vancouver. Back then it was called Can Base Studios
[short for Canadian Base], which was the name of the investment
company. Later it became known as Mushroom Studios."

Flicker equipped the studio with an Ampex MM1000, 2-inch
16-track-"which is what we recorded Dreamboat Annie on," he says-and a
custom console "we bought in a fire sale from United Artists, when
they owned UA and Western Studios. They were putting in new
solid-state consoles and we bought one of their old tube boards from
United Studio A. That console is the guts of part of the front end of
the board that still sits in there after three or four different
reincarnations. It was a good console but only had 18 tube preamps."
The cinderblock studio room had a 20-foot ceiling, and Flicker notes
that "we were working on LEDE [Live End, Dead-End ] principles that
were popular at the time. The studio quickly became the hottest
recording room in town, and Flicker began to establish himself as a
draw to the studio as well".

[Marc Phillips]

Greg said:

>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>sounding records.

Maybe I'll look for that CBS "Little Queen," then. Thanks!

Marc

[Marc Phillips]

dave said:

>Nada One/Mistral Wind are
>worth the price of admission alone on Dog and Butterfly. I still like
>calling side one the "Dog" side.

Actually, I think "Nada One/Mistral Wind" is the song I'm talking about,
instead of "Dog and Butterfly." Is that the long, almost epic-length song that
starts out all quiet and pretty and then turns into a balls-out rocker?

Boon

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> om
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> news:dq_rb.24463$Zb7.24418@fed1read01
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >>>> news:fvXrb.23101$Zb7.9334@fed1read01
> >>>>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You're bitching about
> >>>>>> me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
> >>>>>> mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
> >>>>>> conversation with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
> >>>>> equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
> >>>>> country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
> >>>>> like that?
>
> >>>> And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here,
> >>>> under the same conditions?
>
> >>> None
>
> Wrong. Do I need to provide quotes from google? I researched this issue
> before I made my comment.

Go for it. Show where I trashed any gear based solely on country
origin.
>
> >>>> Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
>
> >>> Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
> >>> swollen over this.
>
> Whatever.
>
> >> I'll just chalk it up as another example of your childish
> >> dissembling, Scotty.
>
> > So what happened to your argument?
>
> It's simple Scotty, the argument ended when you declined to give an
honest
> answer.
>
> >You give Singh a pass on trashing
> > equipment he is totally unfamiliar with?
>
> As usual, you've got it completely backward Scotty. I pointed out that
> you're as guilty of trashing gear you never heard as he is.

As always you're reading comprehension is limited.
But present your case nonetheless. You will be full of
**** as usual.
>
> >You give him a pass on
> > trashing a preamp simply because it's a Yamaha?
>
> Again, you've got it completely backward Scotty. I pointed out that
you're
> as guilty of trashing gear you never heard as he is.
>
> > But you do give him a
> > pass for whipping up some simple bookshelfs and trying to retail them
> > for about 3x what they are worth.
>
> No, I gave him a limited amount of credit for actually getting his hands
> dirty and trying to build some audio gear from raw parts. Who on RAO has
> done that? McKelvey has done it. I do it all the time. Singh gave it a
> limited try. Who else?
>
> > The same high-end ripoff you have supposedly opposed.
>
> I've made my share of negative comments about Singh's pricing and
> substantiated my comments with real-world examples and quotes from
> manufacturers.
>
> > What happened to you? Forget your calling in life or what?
>
> I'm just holding you accountable for what you said, Scotty. No need to
melt
> down over it. It happens all the time.

You haven't held anyone accountable for anything. You
make unsubstantiated accusations and then jubilantly claim you
have accomplished something. Who else does that?
Oh yeah, that would be your new pal, Trots.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
...

> > Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment office.
> > Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
> > Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
> > Slacker.
>
>
>
> You sound like a coward, Scott.

You failed as an engineer. You failed as an audio
showperson. You are failing as a speaker designer.
Where is the courage in all of this?

> Just stay in your plasticene world and
> contemplate your limp dick.

If a hard on is such a big deal for you, when/if you get one,
What do you do with it?

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> If I've been tracking the story of ScottW, he's a guy who drives a pickup
> truck and dreams about listening to ESL 63s.

I ain't dreamin.

>A pretty weird picture, if you
> ask me. Seems like a mixed-media collection of stereotypes from the mind
of
> Marc Phillips.

Yet you are the one projecting stereotypes.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On 11 Nov 2003 22:34:22 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

>dave said:
>
>>Nada One/Mistral Wind are
>>worth the price of admission alone on Dog and Butterfly. I still like
>>calling side one the "Dog" side.
>
>Actually, I think "Nada One/Mistral Wind" is the song I'm talking about,
>instead of "Dog and Butterfly." Is that the long, almost epic-length song that
>starts out all quiet and pretty and then turns into a balls-out rocker?
>
>Boon

That's the one (one referring to the both of them, of course - I think
of them as a single unit).

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>dave weil wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>>>
>>>
>>>And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>>>to?
>>
>>
>>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
>>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
>>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
>>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
>>of life for yourself then so be it.
>
>
> SCOrE'Re!


Yes, I did.

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Greg Singh wrote:
>
>
>
>>Bruce J. Richman wrote:
>>
>>>Greg Singh wrote:
>>
>>>>I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
>>>>accurate, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
>>>say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas
>>
>>about
>>
>>>how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
>>>claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
>>>pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former
>>
>>employer
>>
>>>also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat
>>
>>customers
>>
>>>in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that
>>
>>you
>>
>>>were fired?
>>
>>
>>
>>Bruce, you're in serious denial here. You want to go toe to toe with me
>>in an audio discussion? You don't have the backbone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Inability to answer reasonable question duly noted. Delusional bragging
> observed and as always, quite predictable. Singh found to simply be trying out
> his latest stolen material from "Lies 'R Us".


Let me know when you work up the nerve to discuss something audio related.

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:

>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>
>
> No lying involved, but there's there's no use explaining why because you
> don't know what 'lying' means.
>
> You said 'record' when the subject line said 'lp'. Did you forget to
> take the subject line into account?
>
> You've been out-pedanted.


I use "record" and "LP" interchangeably. Since I have 3 or 4 thousand
of them, I feel that I'm justified in doing so. Regardless, you knew
what error Richman had made, and lied about it anyway.

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>dave weil wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>>>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>>>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>>>>to?
>>>
>>>
>>>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
>>>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
>>>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
>>>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
>>>of life for yourself then so be it.
>>
>>SCOrE'Re!
>
>
> There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
> else made it.
>
> Here's a quiz for Greg:
>
> I'll bet you were one of those idiots who
>
> a) rhyme ZZ Top's "Tush" with 'push'
>
> b) refer to Sheryl Crow's "The First Cut Is The Deepest" as a 'Rod
> Stewart song'


You do know that Cat Stevens wrote the song that Rod Stewart sang,
right? I don't know about the Sheryl Crow song, her music is ****.

[trotsky]

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>dave weil wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>>>
>>>
>>>And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>>>to?
>>
>>
>>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
>>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
>>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
>>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
>>of life for yourself then so be it.
>>
>
>
> I have that album by the Talking Heads.
>
> Have any more minutia to whine about?


What a drab, vague, boring world you must live in, Art.

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:20:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>>I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
>>>punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
>>>decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
>>>album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
>>>Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
>>>Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.
>>
>>
>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>sounding records.
>
>
> I think that the thing that I have a problem with in terms of
> Dreamboat Annie is the apparent overuse of the Aural Aphex Exciter,
> which makes it sound good on the radio, but makes it sound a little
> "overblown" on a good system.
>
> However, I haven't heard it in a long time, so maybe I should go back
> and reinvestigate it. I remember the impact that it made when it came
> out of nowhere and I'm sure that I wore it out in the year or so after
> its release.
>
> Having just put on Little Queen, I still give the edge to Dog and
> Butterfly.


Right, so all the different pressings available sound the same, or what?

[MiNE 109]

In article . net>,
trotsky > wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>
> >>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
> >>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
> >>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> >
> >
> > No lying involved, but there's there's no use explaining why because you
> > don't know what 'lying' means.
> >
> > You said 'record' when the subject line said 'lp'. Did you forget to
> > take the subject line into account?
> >
> > You've been out-pedanted.
>
>
> I use "record" and "LP" interchangeably.

Yes, that's the problem. Seems odd for someone so intent on nitpicking
to be so careless.

> Since I have 3 or 4 thousand
> of them, I feel that I'm justified in doing so.

What does that have to do with it? I have an lp or two myself.

> Regardless, you knew
> what error Richman had made, and lied about it anyway.

How could I lie about the existence of Columbia 31769? Do you claim it
*doesn't* exist? Are you claiming 45s aren't records? What are they then?

You know what error you made, and you won't 'fess up, will you?

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:20:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>sounding records.
>
>
> "After being in Vancouver for a while, Flicker got wind that someone
> was actually attempting to build a good studio in town. "The guy who
> was building it basically had a broadcast studio in his mind with the
> thought that someday it could also be a recording studio, but he was
> building it properly. It was built halfway into a hillside, and he was
> going to put some good equipment in there. Unfortunately, in midstream
> he had some health problems and was forced to retire. So with help
> from some investors we bought his half and then put together the first
> 16-track studio in Vancouver. Back then it was called Can Base Studios
> [short for Canadian Base], which was the name of the investment
> company. Later it became known as Mushroom Studios."
>
> Flicker equipped the studio with an Ampex MM1000, 2-inch
> 16-track-"which is what we recorded Dreamboat Annie on," he says-and a
> custom console "we bought in a fire sale from United Artists, when
> they owned UA and Western Studios. They were putting in new
> solid-state consoles and we bought one of their old tube boards from
> United Studio A. That console is the guts of part of the front end of
> the board that still sits in there after three or four different
> reincarnations. It was a good console but only had 18 tube preamps."
> The cinderblock studio room had a 20-foot ceiling, and Flicker notes
> that "we were working on LEDE [Live End, Dead-End ] principles that
> were popular at the time. The studio quickly became the hottest
> recording room in town, and Flicker began to establish himself as a
> draw to the studio as well".


Whew, that sounds pretty definitive.

[MiNE 109]

In article .net>,
trotsky > wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >,
> > dave weil > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>dave weil wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
> >>>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
> >>>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
> >>>>to?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
> >>>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
> >>>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
> >>>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
> >>>of life for yourself then so be it.
> >>
> >>SCOrE'Re!
> >
> >
> > There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
> > else made it.
> >
> > Here's a quiz for Greg:
> >
> > I'll bet you were one of those idiots who
> >
> > a) rhyme ZZ Top's "Tush" with 'push'
> >
> > b) refer to Sheryl Crow's "The First Cut Is The Deepest" as a 'Rod
> > Stewart song'
>
>
> You do know that Cat Stevens wrote the song that Rod Stewart sang,
> right? I don't know about the Sheryl Crow song, her music is ****.

Sco're!

How about that Daveeeees thing?

[trotsky]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Greg said:
>
>
>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>sounding records.
>
>
> Maybe I'll look for that CBS "Little Queen," then. Thanks!


CBS Mastersound pressings are pretty underrated, probably because they
had cheaper retail prices than the MFSLs and Nautiluses they were
competing against. Some are great, although I have a Luther Vandross
record that sounds totally tubby. An editorial comment, perhaps?

[ScottW]

"MiNE 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:56:20 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article >,
> > > dave weil > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >dave weil wrote:
> > >> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky >
wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you
lying
> > >> >>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No
matter
> > >> >>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was
referring
> > >> >> to?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot
deejays
> > >> >that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking
Heads"
> > >> >even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this
Group
> > >> >is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a
way
> > >> >of life for yourself then so be it.
> > >>
> > >> SCOrE'Re!
> > >
> > >There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
> > >else made it.
> >
> > Well, to be fair to Greg, I did once write "the Talking Heads". In
> > Greg's world, this is a horrible sin, even though it was probably just
> > a "conversational" gaffe. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not I
> > *never* made that gaffe when announcing their music. I certainly
> > wasn't perfect in my announcing duties over the years. In thousands of
> > on-air hours, I'm sure I said things that anal ****s like Greg could
> > have called me on.
> >
> > Frankly, a guy who didn't even know every single little detail about
> > King Crimson should probably turn in their Prog Card. Especially since
> > ScottW kicked his butt in that regard.
>
> It's tough to be a casual Crimson fan. I saw the relatively recent Ian
> McDonald

That would be Ian MacDonald.
No wonder you were confused.

>obituaries and had to do research to figure out how the guy who
> wrote about Shostakovich and the Beatles (odd enough to start with) was
> involved with Quiet Sun and Manzanera but not Crimson and Foreigner.

Try Ian McDonald (not the sci-fi) writer who was very involved.

McDonald and Giles is one of my favorite albums.

ScottW

[trotsky]

ScottW wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>> Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment office.
>>> Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
>>> Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
>>> Slacker.
>>
>>
>>
>>You sound like a coward, Scott.
>
>
> You failed as an engineer.


I did? I quit because I was bored. Don't tell me you think your
ability to work a boring job is some sort of triumph of will. You might
want to turn your efforts to the family jewels.


You failed as an audio
> showperson. You are failing as a speaker designer.
> Where is the courage in all of this?


Van Gogh never sold a painting in his life. Don't tell me your failed
definition of "failure" paints him as one. Imagine the horse**** life
lessons you have to teach your kid.


>> Just stay in your plasticene world and
>>contemplate your limp dick.
>
>
> If a hard on is such a big deal for you, when/if you get one,
> What do you do with it?


Good point. Okay, we'll go with your viewpoint: sprouting wood is
overrated. Like Van Gogh.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:QAdsb.28130$Zb7.7416@fed1read01
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...

>> I'm just holding you accountable for what you said, Scotty. No need
>> to melt down over it. It happens all the time.

> You haven't held anyone accountable for anything.

Sure I have. It's just that you've tried to backpedal and lie your way out
of taking responsibility for your own actions, Scotty.

>You make unsubstantiated accusations and then jubilantly claim you
> have accomplished something.

You didn't ask for substantiation when it was offered, Scotty.

> Who else does that?

Since it's not what I do, the word "else" does not apply.

> Oh yeah, that would be your new pal, Trots.

My pal? LOL.

The only reason why I favor Singh over you Scotty, is the fact that you're
so pathetic.

[ScottW]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> ScottW wrote:
> > "trotsky" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> >>> Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment office.
> >>> Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
> >>> Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
> >>> Slacker.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>You sound like a coward, Scott.
> >
> >
> > You failed as an engineer.
>
>
> I did? I quit because I was bored.

I thought you said you quit because the other geeks
wouldn't talk to you. Smart people, those geeks.

> Don't tell me you think your
> ability to work a boring job is some sort of triumph of will.

I do it for the money. What do you do for money?
Oh yeah, you rely on me to pay taxes.
Slacker.

> You might
> want to turn your efforts to the family jewels.
>
>
> You failed as an audio
> > showperson. You are failing as a speaker designer.
> > Where is the courage in all of this?
>
>
> Van Gogh never sold a painting in his life. Don't tell me your failed
> definition of "failure" paints him as one.

The guy went insane and killed himself.
If that is your definition of success, when do you
plan to succeed?

> Imagine the horse**** life
> lessons you have to teach your kid.

Don't aspire to be famous posthumously,
it's overrated.
>
>
> >> Just stay in your plasticene world and
> >>contemplate your limp dick.
> >
> >
> > If a hard on is such a big deal for you, when/if you get one,
> > What do you do with it?
>
>
> Good point. Okay, we'll go with your viewpoint: sprouting wood is
> overrated.

Now we know you have no clue what to do with a woody.
Arny, Greg could use a little guidance here.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> >
> > I have that album by the Talking Heads.
> >
> > Have any more minutia to whine about?
>
>
> What a drab, vague, boring world you must live in, Art.

Yeah, we should all be envious of someone so easily
amused. Think of "the" advantages.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:11:13 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>I use "record" and "LP" interchangeably.

Well, that's *your* mistake, isn't it?

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:13:08 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>MiNE 109 wrote:
>> In article >,
>> dave weil > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>dave weil wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
>>>>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
>>>>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>>>>>to?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
>>>>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
>>>>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
>>>>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
>>>>of life for yourself then so be it.
>>>
>>>SCOrE'Re!
>>
>>
>> There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
>> else made it.
>>
>> Here's a quiz for Greg:
>>
>> I'll bet you were one of those idiots who
>>
>> a) rhyme ZZ Top's "Tush" with 'push'
>>
>> b) refer to Sheryl Crow's "The First Cut Is The Deepest" as a 'Rod
>> Stewart song'
>
>
>You do know that Cat Stevens wrote the song that Rod Stewart sang,
>right? I don't know about the Sheryl Crow song, her music is ****.

So, you *aren't* up on your music.

You're just mad because Crow has moved to Nashville.

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:QAdsb.28130$Zb7.7416@fed1read01
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> >> I'm just holding you accountable for what you said, Scotty. No need
> >> to melt down over it. It happens all the time.
>
> > You haven't held anyone accountable for anything.
>
> Sure I have. It's just that you've tried to backpedal and lie your way
out
> of taking responsibility for your own actions, Scotty.
>
> >You make unsubstantiated accusations and then jubilantly claim you
> > have accomplished something.
>
> You didn't ask for substantiation when it was offered, Scotty.

What? Evidence backing your accusation expired?
I see you have been caught lying again.

>
> > Who else does that?
>
> Since it's not what I do, the word "else" does not apply.
>
> > Oh yeah, that would be your new pal, Trots.
>
> My pal? LOL.
>
> The only reason why I favor Singh over you Scotty, is the fact that
you're
> so pathetic.


Where is your evidence? Remember you did some research.
Why did you clip my call on you to produce some substance?

This is the same insane lying bs you pull when cornered in a
mistake. You're on the hook slimeball.
Produce or retract.
Obfuscation is futile.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Gay Gregipus lusts for Scottie.

> You might want to turn your efforts to the family jewels.

That's one base you certainly have covered.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:11:13 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>> I use "record" and "LP" interchangeably.
>
> Well, that's *your* mistake, isn't it?

Newbies are probably totally amazed to see the tiny nits that Weil will pick
on in a vain effort to dominate the conversation.

[MiNE 109]

In article <lcesb.28489$Zb7.11709@fed1read01>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "MiNE 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > dave weil > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:56:20 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article >,
> > > > dave weil > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >dave weil wrote:
> > > >> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky >
> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you
> lying
> > > >> >>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No
> matter
> > > >> >>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was
> referring
> > > >> >> to?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot
> deejays
> > > >> >that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking
> Heads"
> > > >> >even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this
> Group
> > > >> >is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a
> way
> > > >> >of life for yourself then so be it.
> > > >>
> > > >> SCOrE'Re!
> > > >
> > > >There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
> > > >else made it.
> > >
> > > Well, to be fair to Greg, I did once write "the Talking Heads". In
> > > Greg's world, this is a horrible sin, even though it was probably just
> > > a "conversational" gaffe. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not I
> > > *never* made that gaffe when announcing their music. I certainly
> > > wasn't perfect in my announcing duties over the years. In thousands of
> > > on-air hours, I'm sure I said things that anal ****s like Greg could
> > > have called me on.
> > >
> > > Frankly, a guy who didn't even know every single little detail about
> > > King Crimson should probably turn in their Prog Card. Especially since
> > > ScottW kicked his butt in that regard.
> >
> > It's tough to be a casual Crimson fan. I saw the relatively recent Ian
> > McDonald
>
> That would be Ian MacDonald.
> No wonder you were confused.

I was confused, but not as confused as whoever titled this webpage:

http://www.siue.edu/~aho/musov/Ian.html

Shows how easy a mistake is when a tribute page creator makes it!

> > obituaries and had to do research to figure out how the guy who
> > wrote about Shostakovich and the Beatles (odd enough to start with) was
> > involved with Quiet Sun and Manzanera but not Crimson and Foreigner.
>
> Try Ian McDonald (not the sci-fi) writer who was very involved.
>
> McDonald and Giles is one of my favorite albums.

I have one!

Hmmm. I wonder if Greg knows "The Cheerful Insanity..."

Next up: Mick Jones.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:22:45 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Greg said:
>>
>>
>>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>>sounding records.
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'll look for that CBS "Little Queen," then. Thanks!
>
>
>CBS Mastersound pressings are pretty underrated, probably because they
>had cheaper retail prices than the MFSLs and Nautiluses they were
>competing against. Some are great, although I have a Luther Vandross
>record that sounds totally tubby. An editorial comment, perhaps?

Risking scorn, the thing that I thought put Little Queen behind Dog
and Butterfly was that it sounded "recessed" IRT D&B. This doesn't
make it "worse" per se, but it keeps it from sounding "in the room"
(from my perspective).

I was going to say that it sounded a little blunted, but that was
based on Barracuda. Later on, the acoustic things have a nice
"richness" and brightness that compares somewhat favorably with D&B.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:02:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:11:13 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>> I use "record" and "LP" interchangeably.
>>
>> Well, that's *your* mistake, isn't it?
>
>Newbies are probably totally amazed to see the tiny nits that Weil will pick
>on in a vain effort to dominate the conversation.

Probably not.

Now, as to *your* nits, they probably just scratch...

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:56:20 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > dave weil > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >dave weil wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you
lying
> >> >>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No
matter
> >> >>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was
referring
> >> >> to?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot
deejays
> >> >that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking
Heads"
> >> >even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this
Group
> >> >is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
> >> >of life for yourself then so be it.
> >>
> >> SCOrE'Re!
> >
> >There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
> >else made it.
>
> Well, to be fair to Greg, I did once write "the Talking Heads". In
> Greg's world, this is a horrible sin, even though it was probably just
> a "conversational" gaffe. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not I
> *never* made that gaffe when announcing their music. I certainly
> wasn't perfect in my announcing duties over the years. In thousands of
> on-air hours, I'm sure I said things that anal ****s like Greg could
> have called me on.
>
> Frankly, a guy who didn't even know every single little detail about
> King Crimson should probably turn in their Prog Card. Especially since
> ScottW kicked his butt in that regard.

What do you think of 'the' Rolling Stones?




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
> >doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to
start
> >yet another crap-slinging contest:
>
> What's the last colon for, Arnold?

When he is extra ****ty, he needs extra colons.




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[S888Wheel]

>
>Agreed. I have a really nice UK pressing of "The Dreaming," which I used to
>use as a reference disc. It's a complex, cluttered mix, and can sound really
>awful on inferior equipment. But with the right system, it's pretty awesome.
>
>Boon
>
>
>
>
>
>

As a hard core Kate fan I have to say All the Love from The Dreaming is one of
the most haunting songs I have ever heard. I am going to be doing a shoot out
between the Simply Vinyl, EMI Century, original English issues and Japanese
issues of Kick Inside and Hounds of Love real soon.

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:22:45 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>Marc Phillips wrote:
>>
>>>Greg said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>>>sounding records.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe I'll look for that CBS "Little Queen," then. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>CBS Mastersound pressings are pretty underrated, probably because they
>>had cheaper retail prices than the MFSLs and Nautiluses they were
>>competing against. Some are great, although I have a Luther Vandross
>>record that sounds totally tubby. An editorial comment, perhaps?
>
>
> Risking scorn, the thing that I thought put Little Queen behind Dog
> and Butterfly was that it sounded "recessed" IRT D&B. This doesn't
> make it "worse" per se, but it keeps it from sounding "in the room"
> (from my perspective).
>
> I was going to say that it sounded a little blunted, but that was
> based on Barracuda. Later on, the acoustic things have a nice
> "richness" and brightness that compares somewhat favorably with D&B.


dave, I think you are trying to be sincere here, but if you can't your
pea sized brain to realize that the mastering and pressing of the album
is at least as important as the recording then there isn't much to say.
I'm discussing the best versions of the records that I've heard--I
really don't know what you're discussing.

[trotsky]

S888Wheel wrote:
>>Agreed. I have a really nice UK pressing of "The Dreaming," which I used to
>>use as a reference disc. It's a complex, cluttered mix, and can sound really
>>awful on inferior equipment. But with the right system, it's pretty awesome.
>>
>>Boon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> As a hard core Kate fan I have to say All the Love from The Dreaming is one of
> the most haunting songs I have ever heard. I am going to be doing a shoot out
> between the Simply Vinyl, EMI Century, original English issues and Japanese
> issues of Kick Inside and Hounds of Love real soon.


I'd be damn interested in those results. My money is on the original
English pressing. Occasionally German pressings score high, too.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:20:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> I think that the thing that I have a problem with in terms of
> Dreamboat Annie is the apparent overuse of the Aural Aphex Exciter,
> which makes it sound good on the radio, but makes it sound a little
> "overblown" on a good system.
>

It makes me cringe. Wasn't it used on Mariah carey's first?




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[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:44:20 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> I was going to say that it sounded a little blunted, but that was
>> based on Barracuda. Later on, the acoustic things have a nice
>> "richness" and brightness that compares somewhat favorably with D&B.
>
>
>dave, I think you are trying to be sincere here, but if you can't your
>pea sized brain to realize that the mastering and pressing of the album
>is at least as important as the recording then there isn't much to say.
> I'm discussing the best versions of the records that I've heard--I
>really don't know what you're discussing.

Have you *not* put your pea brain to the fact that we are talking
about the SAME ****ING VERSION of the album in question?

I've supplied you with the matrix number, which should give you the
information about generation of the pressing. what's the generation of
*your* pressing?

(probable answer is THE SAME GENERATION, as I can't imagine too many
generations of a half-speed CBS Masterworks release of Little Queen).

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> > "trotsky" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>
> >>dave weil wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you
lying
> >>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No
matter
> >>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
> >>>to?
> >>
> >>
> >>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
> >>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
> >>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
> >>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
> >>of life for yourself then so be it.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I have that album by the Talking Heads.
> >
> > Have any more minutia to whine about?
>
>
> What a drab, vague, boring world you must live in, Art.
>

Yes, it is not nearly as exciting as nitpicking onver
Talking Heads vs The Talking Heads.




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[Marc Phillips]

Greg said:

>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Greg said:
>>
>>
>>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>>sounding records.
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'll look for that CBS "Little Queen," then. Thanks!
>
>
>CBS Mastersound pressings are pretty underrated, probably because they
>had cheaper retail prices than the MFSLs and Nautiluses they were
>competing against. Some are great, although I have a Luther Vandross
>record that sounds totally tubby. An editorial comment, perhaps?

I only own two CBS Mastersounds...Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here and one of
Prokofiev's Fifth Symphony conducted by Leonard Bernstein. The Floyd sounds
nice, but is marred by some surface noise. The Prokofiev sounds nice, but is a
lackluster performance, which is surprising for Bernstein.

Boon

[dave weil]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:12:53 -0500, "Sockpuppet Yustabe"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:20:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>> I think that the thing that I have a problem with in terms of
>> Dreamboat Annie is the apparent overuse of the Aural Aphex Exciter,
>> which makes it sound good on the radio, but makes it sound a little
>> "overblown" on a good system.
>>
>
>It makes me cringe. Wasn't it used on Mariah carey's first?

I'm not sure. I know that it was all the rage in the 70s to make
acoustic guitars really *snap* and to make vocals jump out in a 3D
sort of way. It was a real LA sort of sound...

[S888Wheel]

>
>> As a hard core Kate fan I have to say All the Love from The Dreaming is one
>of
>> the most haunting songs I have ever heard. I am going to be doing a shoot
>out
>> between the Simply Vinyl, EMI Century, original English issues and Japanese
>> issues of Kick Inside and Hounds of Love real soon.
>
>
>I'd be damn interested in those results. My money is on the original
>English pressing. Occasionally German pressings score high, too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I will post them. I have no idea what to expect. I have been surprised by the
results of other such shootouts that nothing surprises me anymore.

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:44:20 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>>I was going to say that it sounded a little blunted, but that was
>>>based on Barracuda. Later on, the acoustic things have a nice
>>>"richness" and brightness that compares somewhat favorably with D&B.
>>
>>
>>dave, I think you are trying to be sincere here, but if you can't your
>>pea sized brain to realize that the mastering and pressing of the album
>>is at least as important as the recording then there isn't much to say.
>> I'm discussing the best versions of the records that I've heard--I
>>really don't know what you're discussing.
>
>
> Have you *not* put your pea brain to the fact that we are talking
> about the SAME ****ING VERSION of the album in question?


The CBS Mastersound pressing? Where did you say that?

[trotsky]

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> hlink.net...
>
>>Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>
>>>"trotsky" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave weil wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:29:25 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you
>
> lying
>
>>>>>>and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No
>
> matter
>
>>>>>>how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
>>>>>to?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
>>>>that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
>>>>even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
>>>>is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
>>>>of life for yourself then so be it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have that album by the Talking Heads.
>>>
>>>Have any more minutia to whine about?
>>
>>
>>What a drab, vague, boring world you must live in, Art.
>>
>
>
> Yes, it is not nearly as exciting as nitpicking onver
> Talking Heads vs The Talking Heads.


No, of course not. Wouldn't want to hear about the recording techniques
on a Heart album, either.

[trotsky]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Greg said:
>
>
>>Marc Phillips wrote:
>>
>>>Greg said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>>>sounding records.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe I'll look for that CBS "Little Queen," then. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>CBS Mastersound pressings are pretty underrated, probably because they
>>had cheaper retail prices than the MFSLs and Nautiluses they were
>>competing against. Some are great, although I have a Luther Vandross
>>record that sounds totally tubby. An editorial comment, perhaps?
>
>
> I only own two CBS Mastersounds...Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here and one of
> Prokofiev's Fifth Symphony conducted by Leonard Bernstein. The Floyd sounds
> nice, but is marred by some surface noise. The Prokofiev sounds nice, but is a
> lackluster performance, which is surprising for Bernstein.


I've never been a fan of his. In fact, if it wasn't for George Szell
and Dmitri Mitropoulos (sp?) I don't think I'd much bother with CBS
classical at all.

[trotsky]

S888Wheel wrote:
>>>As a hard core Kate fan I have to say All the Love from The Dreaming is one
>>
>>of
>>
>>>the most haunting songs I have ever heard. I am going to be doing a shoot
>>
>>out
>>
>>>between the Simply Vinyl, EMI Century, original English issues and Japanese
>>>issues of Kick Inside and Hounds of Love real soon.
>>
>>
>>I'd be damn interested in those results. My money is on the original
>>English pressing. Occasionally German pressings score high, too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I will post them. I have no idea what to expect. I have been surprised by the
> results of other such shootouts that nothing surprises me anymore.


Ain't that the truth. I remember comparing the Japanese and American
pressings of the "Cat People" soundtrack. The American had made Harry
Pearson's list, but Japanese pressing almost always bested American
ones. Not this time. The American is amazingly good sounding, and the
Japanese is just so-so.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:30:17 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:44:20 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I was going to say that it sounded a little blunted, but that was
>>>>based on Barracuda. Later on, the acoustic things have a nice
>>>>"richness" and brightness that compares somewhat favorably with D&B.
>>>
>>>
>>>dave, I think you are trying to be sincere here, but if you can't your
>>>pea sized brain to realize that the mastering and pressing of the album
>>>is at least as important as the recording then there isn't much to say.
>>> I'm discussing the best versions of the records that I've heard--I
>>>really don't know what you're discussing.
>>
>>
>> Have you *not* put your pea brain to the fact that we are talking
>> about the SAME ****ING VERSION of the album in question?
>
>
>The CBS Mastersound pressing? Where did you say that?

Is there another half-speed mastered Little Queen?

But, since you asked, *here's* where I said it:

"Did you miss the part where I talked about having the half-speed
mastered copy of Little Queen? That's the Mastersound copy that you
talk about.

Now if you want to quibble about subpressings of the same release,
feel free. It just sounds like spin to me. But if you want to know the
matrix numbers, here they are:

HAC 44799 1BA/HBL 44799 1AC

You want to compare them with *your* copy?

BTW, the Dog and Butterfly copy is a regular US Portrait 1C/E copy".
---------------------
And here's where I *first* mentioned my half-speed mastered version of
Little Queen:

" including a half-speed mastered Little Queen, which I'm going to go
put on and see if it's worn well (I still love Barracuda <g>)"

Maybe I just don't know of the other half-speed mastered Little
Queens, but I'm pretty sure that Mobile Fidelity didn't put one out,
nor did Nautilus AFAIK. That's why I assumed that half-speed mastered
would be known to be the CBS Masterworks version.

Maybe you could give us details about which pressing you're referring
to...

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:30:17 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:44:20 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I was going to say that it sounded a little blunted, but that was
>>>>>based on Barracuda. Later on, the acoustic things have a nice
>>>>>"richness" and brightness that compares somewhat favorably with D&B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>dave, I think you are trying to be sincere here, but if you can't your
>>>>pea sized brain to realize that the mastering and pressing of the album
>>>>is at least as important as the recording then there isn't much to say.
>>>>I'm discussing the best versions of the records that I've heard--I
>>>>really don't know what you're discussing.
>>>
>>>
>>>Have you *not* put your pea brain to the fact that we are talking
>>>about the SAME ****ING VERSION of the album in question?
>>
>>
>>The CBS Mastersound pressing? Where did you say that?
>
>
> Is there another half-speed mastered Little Queen?
>
> But, since you asked, *here's* where I said it:
>
> "Did you miss the part where I talked about having the half-speed
> mastered copy of Little Queen? That's the Mastersound copy that you
> talk about.


dave, I really don't understand what's wrong with you. Your thought
processes are so hopelessly scrambled, it's difficult to diagnose just
what it is that you've got wrong with. When I ask "When did you say
that you had that pressing?" and you come back with "Did you miss the
part where I told you?" Yeah, I ****ing missed the part where you told
me, because apparently that never really happened, and was just a
construct of your hopelessly jumbled thought processes. It's as if
thoughts just swirled around in a blender and then spat out in a
haphazard fashion when your brain is involved. I'm sure Middius knew
what you meant, though.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:27:35 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>Spoken like a true anonymouse. Tell us about your work history,
>"Devil".

Fish and chips. That's it. Or 'eeeeeeeet', as you may prefer.

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:37:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Yup, a really brave dude. No name, no address, no job, big filthy mouth, and
>red hot at making up photo-renditions of his make-believe world with
>PhotoShop.

Do you have any proof?

Thought not.

Because your every other word is a lie, deception, obfuscation or
adumbration, you assume those of your intellectual betters must be
too.

Why did you kill your son, Arnii?

--
td

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:34:18 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:30:17 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>dave weil wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:44:20 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I was going to say that it sounded a little blunted, but that was
>>>>>>based on Barracuda. Later on, the acoustic things have a nice
>>>>>>"richness" and brightness that compares somewhat favorably with D&B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>dave, I think you are trying to be sincere here, but if you can't your
>>>>>pea sized brain to realize that the mastering and pressing of the album
>>>>>is at least as important as the recording then there isn't much to say.
>>>>>I'm discussing the best versions of the records that I've heard--I
>>>>>really don't know what you're discussing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Have you *not* put your pea brain to the fact that we are talking
>>>>about the SAME ****ING VERSION of the album in question?
>>>
>>>
>>>The CBS Mastersound pressing? Where did you say that?
>>
>>
>> Is there another half-speed mastered Little Queen?
>>
>> But, since you asked, *here's* where I said it:
>>
>> "Did you miss the part where I talked about having the half-speed
>> mastered copy of Little Queen? That's the Mastersound copy that you
>> talk about.
>
>
>dave, I really don't understand what's wrong with you. Your thought
>processes are so hopelessly scrambled, it's difficult to diagnose just
>what it is that you've got wrong with. When I ask "When did you say
>that you had that pressing?" and you come back with "Did you miss the
>part where I told you?" Yeah, I ****ing missed the part where you told
>me, because apparently that never really happened, and was just a
>construct of your hopelessly jumbled thought processes. It's as if
>thoughts just swirled around in a blender and then spat out in a
>haphazard fashion when your brain is involved. I'm sure Middius knew
>what you meant, though.

At 6:07pm yesterday evening, I sent out the following post:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:18:34 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:20:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
>>>>punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
>>>>decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
>>>>album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
>>>>Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
>>>>Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.
>>>
>>>
>>>The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
>>>recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
>>>if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
>>>Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
>>>sounding records.
>>
>>
>> I think that the thing that I have a problem with in terms of
>> Dreamboat Annie is the apparent overuse of the Aural Aphex Exciter,
>> which makes it sound good on the radio, but makes it sound a little
>> "overblown" on a good system.
>>
>> However, I haven't heard it in a long time, so maybe I should go back
>> and reinvestigate it. I remember the impact that it made when it came
>> out of nowhere and I'm sure that I wore it out in the year or so after
>> its release.
>>
>> Having just put on Little Queen, I still give the edge to Dog and
>> Butterfly.
>
>
>Right, so all the different pressings available sound the same, or what?

Did you miss the part where I talked about having the half-speed
mastered copy of Little Queen? That's the Mastersound copy that you
talk about.

Now if you want to quibble about subpressings of the same release,
feel free. It just sounds like spin to me. But if you want to know the
matrix numbers, here they are:

HAC 44799 1BA/HBL 44799 1AC

You want to compare them with *your* copy?

BTW, the Dog and Butterfly copy is a regular US Portrait 1C/E copy.
--------------------
However, it never got posted to the newsgroup for whatever reason.
Having sent it, I assumed that it was posted. But, I went to Google to
give you a message id and it doesn't show up. Reviewing my received
posts, I don't see it there either. So, there must have been some sort
of foul-up at the server, but this post is clearly indicated in my
outbox as having been sent to rec.audio.opinion at 6:07pm yesterday
evening. There is no error symbol that I would get if the posting
didn't happen. Who knows *what* happened.

So, you get a pass on this one.

HOWEVER, you still haven't answered my point about having missed the
much earlier reference to my copy of Little Queen being a half-speed
master and how that *should* have indicated that it was the CBS
Mastersound pressing. Here's where I said that:

"When I inherited the large stash of LPs, I got a lot of things that I
had in my pre-punk days. You know, all of the Kansas albums - Ted
Nugent, Pat Travers, Journey, etc. Of course, I got a buttload of
half-speed mastered stuff and some choice classical stuff as well. But
i also got some things that might be considered "guilty pleasure"
stuff as well, like Heart, Loggins and Messina, etc. And I got almost
all of the Heart except for the first one, including a half-speed
mastered Little Queen, which I'm going to go put on and see if it's
worn well (I still love Barracuda <g>). Nada One/Mistral Wind are
worth the price of admission alone on Dog and Butterfly. I still like
calling side one the "Dog" side. <g>"

[Arny Krueger]

"The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra" > wrote in message
news:67b4rv4aoo3d096qkr741ag6hnf48un1n7@rdmzrnewst xt.nz
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:37:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> Yup, a really brave dude. No name, no address, no job, big filthy
>> mouth, and red hot at making up photo-renditions of his make-believe
>> world with PhotoShop.
>
> Do you have any proof?

Absolutely. Prove me wrong by posting your legal name, your home address,
your place of work...

> Thought not.

I don't believe that you think at all.

> Because your every other word is a lie, deception, obfuscation or
> adumbration, you assume those of your intellectual betters must be
> too.

This is the second time in two years that you've made me laugh!

> Why did you kill your son, Arnii?

Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:27:35 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>Spoken like a true anonymouse. Tell us about your work history,
>>"Devil".
>
>
> Fish and chips. That's it. Or 'eeeeeeeet', as you may prefer.


All the cool people are vegetarians.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:44:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>
>> Why did you kill your son, Arnii?
>
>Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.

Why am I not surprised that Arnold plays along with this?

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:44:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Absolutely. Prove me wrong by posting your legal name, your home address,
>your place of work...

I don't do requests.

>Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.

When you go to church, do you pray to God?

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:50:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>All the cool people are vegetarians.

I think you meant to say 'vegetables'.

--
td

[Arny Krueger]

"The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra" > wrote in message
news:39f4rv8ft6g17eafurl58ne7pr69t2ksg5@rdmzrnewst xt.nz
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:44:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> Absolutely. Prove me wrong by posting your legal name, your home
>> address, your place of work...

> I don't do requests.

Tell the truth Booby, you don't do real.

>>> Why did you kill your son, Arnii?

>> Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.

> When you go to church, do you pray to God?

Yes.

Booby, before you murdered your wife, did you pray to Satan or did you just
fantasize that you are it?

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message


> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:44:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:

Note that Weil trashed the headers to make it look like I said the
following:

>>> Why did you kill your son, Arnii?

Actual source:

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra" > in message
news:67b4rv4aoo3d096qkr741ag6hnf48un1n7@rdmzrnewst xt.nz

>> Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.

> Why am I not surprised that Arnold plays along with this?

Why am I not surprised that Weil is trying to "score points" based on
Booby's bad judgment and reprehensible behavior. It's what a
passive-aggressive dominatrix does, after all.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:09:17 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> When you go to church, do you pray to God?
>
>Yes.

And did you wake up to find a boat in your garden?

>Booby, before you murdered your wife, did you pray to Satan or did you just
>fantasize that you are it?

I'm with Gerg. I find the circumstances of your son's murder highly
suspicious.

Agree or disagree, Gerg?

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:12:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Note that Weil trashed the headers to make it look like I said the
>following:
>
>>>> Why did you kill your son, Arnii?

ROTFLMAO!!

Why are you quizzing yourself about killing your son, Arnii? What are
you deceptively trying to uncover?

--
td

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:12:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:44:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>
>Note that Weil trashed the headers to make it look like I said the
>following:
>
>>>> Why did you kill your son, Arnii?
>
>Actual source:
>
>The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra" > in message
>news:67b4rv4aoo3d096qkr741ag6hnf48un1n7@rdmzrnewst xt.nz
>
>>> Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.
>
>> Why am I not surprised that Arnold plays along with this?
>
>Why am I not surprised that Weil is trying to "score points" based on
>Booby's bad judgment and reprehensible behavior. It's what a
>passive-aggressive dominatrix does, after all.

You're nuts. The carets clearly indicate that you didn't say "Why did
you kill your son, Arnii". Actually, *you* edited my post deceptively
by deleting your reply, making it look like I only said that you said
that one thing. Bad form, young man.

Damn, you must be desperate.

Plus, you still have problems determining gender. Why you're so
fascinated with D&S isn't clear, but I hope you get some treatment
soon.

[George M. Middius]

Gayipus said:

> All the cool people are vegetarians.

Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay. But you knew
that.

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:09:17 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>When you go to church, do you pray to God?
>>
>>Yes.
>
>
> And did you wake up to find a boat in your garden?
>
>
>>Booby, before you murdered your wife, did you pray to Satan or did you just
>>fantasize that you are it?
>
>
> I'm with Gerg. I find the circumstances of your son's murder highly
> suspicious.
>
> Agree or disagree, Gerg?


I need more information: is this another case where you decide to talk
about Arny's son's death and then become a basket case about it
afterwards? Why waste the time?

[trotsky]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Gayipus said:
>
>
>>All the cool people are vegetarians.
>
>
> Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay.


Does that mean they don't swallow?

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:35:13 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> I'm with Gerg. I find the circumstances of your son's murder highly
>> suspicious.
>>
>> Agree or disagree, Gerg?
>
>
>I need more information: is this another case where you decide to talk
>about Arny's son's death and then become a basket case about it
>afterwards? Why waste the time?

Will you ever answer a question?

Here's another one: Why are you afraid to discuss your repressed
homosexuality?

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:43 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>> Gayipus said:
>>
>>
>>>All the cool people are vegetarians.
>>
>>
>> Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay.
>
>
>Does that mean they don't swallow?

And any day now, folks, Gerg's jokes will be receiving a
congratulatory telegram from the Queen.

--
td

[George M. Middius]

Gayipus is running scared.

> > Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay.

> Does that mean

Afraid to answer the question again? Stick a fork in you'reself,
your done.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:43 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>> Gayipus said:
>>
>>
>>>All the cool people are vegetarians.
>>
>>
>> Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay.
>
>
>Does that mean they don't swallow?

Still waiting on your explanation about missing my half-speed master
description of my copy of Little Queen (and an apology).

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:35:13 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>>I'm with Gerg. I find the circumstances of your son's murder highly
>>>suspicious.
>>>
>>>Agree or disagree, Gerg?
>>
>>
>>I need more information: is this another case where you decide to talk
>>about Arny's son's death and then become a basket case about it
>>afterwards? Why waste the time?
>
>
> Will you ever answer a question?
>
> Here's another one: Why are you afraid to discuss your repressed
> homosexuality?


I'm as hetero as they come, Dev--I just don't have the mistresses to
prove it. But wait, are you suddenly saying you're qualified to discuss
such things because of your gay family members?

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:43 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>>>Gayipus said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>All the cool people are vegetarians.
>>>
>>>
>>>Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay.
>>
>>
>>Does that mean they don't swallow?
>
>
> And any day now, folks, Gerg's jokes will be receiving a
> congratulatory telegram from the Queen.


But probably not Prince Charles.

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:43 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>>>Gayipus said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>All the cool people are vegetarians.
>>>
>>>
>>>Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay.
>>
>>
>>Does that mean they don't swallow?
>
>
> Still waiting on your explanation about missing my half-speed master
> description of my copy of Little Queen (and an apology).


I thought this was pretty explanatory:

> dave, I really don't understand what's wrong with you. Your thought processes are so hopelessly scrambled, it's difficult to diagnose just what it is that you've got wrong with. When I ask "When did you say that you had that pressing?" and you come back with "Did you miss the part where I told you?" Yeah, I ****ing missed the part where you told me, because apparently that never really happened, and was just a construct of your hopelessly jumbled thought processes. It's as if thoughts just swirled around in a blender and then spat out in a haphazard fashion when your brain is involved. I'm sure Middius knew what you meant, though.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:24 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev

Even when they're coming over a bloke's arse?

Please, Gerg. You're fooling no one.

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:57 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> And any day now, folks, Gerg's jokes will be receiving a
>> congratulatory telegram from the Queen.

>But probably not Prince Charles.

Sorry. Did I interrupt you?

--
td

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:03:45 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:43 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>George M. Middius wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gayipus said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>All the cool people are vegetarians.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Almost half of the vegetarians in the U.S. are gay.
>>>
>>>
>>>Does that mean they don't swallow?
>>
>>
>> Still waiting on your explanation about missing my half-speed master
>> description of my copy of Little Queen (and an apology).
>
>
>I thought this was pretty explanatory:
>
>> dave, I really don't understand what's wrong with you. Your thought processes are so hopelessly scrambled, it's difficult to diagnose just what it is that you've got wrong with. When I ask "When did you say that you had that pressing?" and you come back with "Did you miss the part where I told you?" Yeah, I ****ing missed the part where you told me, because apparently that never really happened, and was just a construct of your hopelessly jumbled thought processes. It's as if thoughts just swirled around in a blender and then spat out in a haphazard fashion when your brain is involved. I'm sure Middius knew what you meant, though.

And the part where the mention of my half-speed mastered Little Queen
actually made it to the group? How does the above address that?

Apology please.

Face it - we were talking about the same thing. Only thing is, I
actually have one and you're probably speaking from memory of some
Motorola guy's personal copy that he brought in to compare a couple of
Yamaha receivers.

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:24 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev
>
>
> Even when they're coming over a bloke's arse?
>
> Please, Gerg. You're fooling no one.


What happened to the rest of the post, Dev? Doesn't look like you're
fooling anyone either.

[George M. Middius]

Gregipus Snippicus bites his own dick off.

> > Even when they're coming over a bloke's arse?
> > Please, Gerg. You're fooling no one.

> What happened to the rest


Have you looked in your sock drawer?

[Marc Phillips]

Greg said:

>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.

You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.

Are you trying to tell us that The Devil is actually Bill Watkins? Do tell.

Boon

[ScottW]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
link.net...
> The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:35:13 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I'm with Gerg. I find the circumstances of your son's murder highly
> >>>suspicious.
> >>>
> >>>Agree or disagree, Gerg?
> >>
> >>
> >>I need more information: is this another case where you decide to talk
> >>about Arny's son's death and then become a basket case about it
> >>afterwards? Why waste the time?
> >
> >
> > Will you ever answer a question?
> >
> > Here's another one: Why are you afraid to discuss your repressed
> > homosexuality?
>
>
> I'm as hetero as they come, Dev--I just don't have the mistresses to
> prove it.

Your right hand is not a heterosexual encounter.
Best guess is you're really a eunuch.

ScottW

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On 12 Nov 2003 19:08:03 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>
>You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
>to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.

He chose to love his mother more than other boys do. I'd say that was
a bad life decision.

--
td

[trotsky]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Greg said:
>
>
>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>
>
> You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
> to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.



Ah, the voice of experience. Okay, I defer.

[trotsky]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Arny said:
>
>
>>Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.
>
>
> Are you trying to tell us that The Devil is actually Bill Watkins? Do tell.



That's what the guys at Infinity said.

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2003 19:08:03 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
> wrote:
>
>
>>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>>
>>You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
>>to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>
>
> He chose to love his mother more than other boys do. I'd say that was
> a bad life decision.



This is very queer, Dev. I gave you the chance earlier to talk about
one's families and you snipped it. Methinks you're a coward.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:36:17 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>
>
>The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>> On 12 Nov 2003 19:08:03 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>>>
>>>You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
>>>to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>>
>>
>> He chose to love his mother more than other boys do. I'd say that was
>> a bad life decision.
>
>
>
>This is very queer, Dev. I gave you the chance earlier to talk about
>one's families and you snipped it. Methinks you're a coward.

Apparently like you are in admitting that I had already disclosed the
nature of the Little Queen pressing.

<shrug>

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:43:55 -0600, dave weil >
wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:36:17 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>>> On 12 Nov 2003 19:08:03 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>>>>
>>>>You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
>>>>to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>>>
>>>
>>> He chose to love his mother more than other boys do. I'd say that was
>>> a bad life decision.
>>
>>
>>
>>This is very queer, Dev. I gave you the chance earlier to talk about
>>one's families and you snipped it. Methinks you're a coward.
>

The next sentence should have read:

Apparently like you are in _not_ admitting that I had already
disclosed the nature of the Little Queen pressing.
>
><shrug>

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:36:17 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>This

That.

God, why can't you say anything right?

--
td

[George M. Middius]

Marc Phillips said:

> >I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>
> You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
> to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.

Are you saying anybody who's not whipped is differently oriented?

[George M. Middius]

Gayipus flounces back to his closet.

> >>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.

> > You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
> > to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.

> Ah, the voice of experience. Okay, I defer.

Big of you to admit your "hetero" lifestyle exists only in your
mind. Now tell us the rest of the story at the gym. We know you
don't go there to exercise.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:53:34 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>Gayipus flounces back to his closet.
>
>> >>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>
>> > You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another, all
>> > to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>
>> Ah, the voice of experience. Okay, I defer.
>
>Big of you to admit your "hetero" lifestyle exists only in your
>mind. Now tell us the rest of the story at the gym. We know you
>don't go there to exercise.

I think that gym is a clever code word for "baths".

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:12:31 -0600, dave weil >
wrote:

>I think that gym is a clever code word for "baths".

What about 'vegetarian tea party'?

--
td

[Marc Phillips]

Greg said:

>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Arny said:
>>
>>
>>>Same reason you murdered your wife, Booby.
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to tell us that The Devil is actually Bill Watkins? Do
>tell.
>
>
>
>That's what the guys at Infinity said.

LOL!

Marc

[Marc Phillips]

Mr. Middius said:

>Marc Phillips said:
>
>> >I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>>
>> You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another,
>all
>> to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>
>Are you saying anybody who's not whipped is differently oriented?

Not at all. But if I went into more detail, I might summon the Anti-Misogynist
Brigade again. You know, the dweebs here who, if they actually ever had a
woman, would treat her like a queen.

Boon

[Dogma4e]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:24 GMT, trotsky > wrote:


>
>
>I'm as hetero as they come,

Uh, gerg, heterosexuals that aren't in prison or otherwise restricted
form intimate relationships with creatures called "women". How can
you identify yourself as a hetero, given that you have admitted to
catagorically rejecting intimate relationships with women?

[George M. Middius]

Marc Phillips said:

> >Are you saying anybody who's not whipped is differently oriented?
>
> Not at all. But if I went into more detail, I might summon the Anti-Misogynist
> Brigade again. You know, the dweebs here who, if they actually ever had a
> woman, would treat her like a queen.

A clever way of invoking Jocasta. Well done!

[trotsky]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Mr. Middius said:
>
>
>>Marc Phillips said:
>>
>>
>>>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>>>
>>>You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another,
>>
>>all
>>
>>>to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>>
>>Are you saying anybody who's not whipped is differently oriented?
>
>
> Not at all. But if I went into more detail, I might summon the Anti-Misogynist
> Brigade again. You know, the dweebs here who, if they actually ever had a
> woman, would treat her like a queen.


As opposed to Middius, who has a tendency to treat men like queens.

[trotsky]

Dogma4e wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:24 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>I'm as hetero as they come,
>
>
> Uh, gerg,


Uh, dog****, why don't you tell us about my lack of tenacity again. I
love it when the lies get hipboot deep.

[George M. Middius]

Gayipus lives the lie.

> As opposed to Middius, who has a tendency to treat men like queens.

For the sixth time, no, you may not blow me.

[trotsky]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Marc Phillips said:
>
>
>>>Are you saying anybody who's not whipped is differently oriented?
>>
>>Not at all. But if I went into more detail, I might summon the Anti-Misogynist
>>Brigade again. You know, the dweebs here who, if they actually ever had a
>>woman, would treat her like a queen.
>
>
> A clever way of invoking Jocasta. Well done!


Do my eyes deceive me, or is Middius unable to stay on topic on a thread
about LPs?

[George M. Middius]

Gergipus Jerkofficus tries to kindle his little firecracker.

> > A clever way of invoking Jocasta. Well done!

> Do my eyes deceive me, or is Middius unable to stay on topic on a thread
> about LPs?

I recommend against renewing the generic prescription. You
definitely need the name-brand version.

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>No, I gave him a limited amount of credit for actually getting his hands
>dirty and trying to build some audio gear from raw parts. Who on RAO has
>done that? McKelvey has done it. I do it all the time. Singh gave it a
>limited try. Who else?

I did, admittedly with little commercial success.
However, there must be a dozen amps built by me still in circulation.
Speakers about 6 pair.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

[Marc Phillips]

Glans, I said:

(Marc Phillips) wrote:
>
>>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>>
>>You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another,
>all
>>to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>
>Surely the bottom line is where you are prepared to put your knob?

Mine isn't really a knob; it's more like thunder from the gods.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>> No, I gave him a limited amount of credit for actually getting his
>> hands dirty and trying to build some audio gear from raw parts. Who
>> on RAO has done that? McKelvey has done it. I do it all the time.
>> Singh gave it a limited try. Who else?

> I did, admittedly with little commercial success.

I think you deserve credit for making audio components from scratch that
worked.

> However, there must be a dozen amps built by me still in circulation.

Not bad.

> Speakers about 6 pair.

Not bad.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Glans, I" > wrote in message
...
> (BrianEWilliams) wrote:
>
> >My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
> >WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
> >away.
>
> You are not alone in that sentiment. Heart are a musical act who
> ideally should have been expelled into space.
>

Heart 'are' overrated.
Talking Heads 'is' better.




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Glans, I" > wrote in message
...
> (Bruce J. Richman) wrote:
>
> >Marc, I've owned a VPI 16.5 RCM for about 10 years, and it is built like
a
> >tank. I've virtually had no maintenance or replacement problems with it
and
> >the only think I've ever added to it is a 2nd wand (cf. below) and a
> >replacement of the "mat" that comes with it after the original wore out.
It
> >may interest you to know that I follow the Disc Doctor protocol and use
both
> >products together. And yes, it is very easy to clean records right on
the VPI
> >RCM's 12" platter with a DD brush and cleaning solution. I use one brush
and
> >DD cleaner as directed by DD, then clean it off with the first wand, then
apply
> >the distilled water rinse with the 2nd DD brush, and then dry the record
with
> >the 2nd VPI wand. This combination of using the DD brushes for
> >cleaning/rinsing and the VPI RCM for drying both the cleaned record and
the
> >rinsed record seems to work fine.
>
> What happens if you inadvertently get your penis involved in the
> process. Does the washing, rinsing and brushing continue?
>

It depends. If you get it caught in the suction tube,
all those other functions don't matter.




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[dave weil]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:15:43 +0000, "Glans, I" >
wrote:

(Marc Phillips) wrote:
>
>>>I should now make the requisite Hounds of Love Kate Bush reference.
>>>Once again, side 2 is just extraordinary.
>>
>>Agreed. I have a really nice UK pressing of "The Dreaming," which I used to
>>use as a reference disc. It's a complex, cluttered mix, and can sound really
>>awful on inferior equipment. But with the right system, it's pretty awesome.
>
>I was just listening to The Kick Inside last night on CD, some great
>trax - but I was far from impressed by the production quality.

It's not much better on vinyl. The first two Kate Bush albums are
pretty compressed sounding. Nothing to write home about from a sonics
standpoint. But, as you said, the songs are mostly very good. She made
great strides with Never Forever and really broke through sonicwise
with The Dreaming.

[Dogma4e]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:21:36 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>Dogma4e wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:24 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I'm as hetero as they come,
>>
>>
>> Uh, gerg,
>
>
>Uh, dog****, why don't you tell us about my lack of tenacity again. I
>love it when the lies get hipboot deep.
>
So you're telling me you are tenaciously pursuing women, but haven't
found any, yet? Are are you tenaciously avoiding your fear of
emotional baggage? Looks to me like your tenaciously avoiding coming
out of the closet.

Any way you look at it, you're disfunctional. Agree or disagree?

[Max Holubitsky]

> No, I gave him a limited amount of credit for actually getting his hands
> dirty and trying to build some audio gear from raw parts. Who on RAO has
> done that? McKelvey has done it. I do it all the time. Singh gave it a
> limited try. Who else?

Several amplifiers, a preamp, a passive preamp, a few pairs of speakers, and
some radio gear. Nothing overly spectacular, but it all works. Some day I'd
like to make a turntable, from scratch.... I can probably gain access to a
lathe large enough to turn a platter... the tonearm would be tricky as hell
too, but maybe I'd use an SME I have on my old Thorens.

[GeoSynch]

MiNE 109 wrote:

> Next up: Mick Jones.

Oh, you mean from The Clash - no wonder he's got "Double Vision."


GeoSynch

[GeoSynch]

trotsky carped:

> What a drab, vague, boring world you must live in, Art.

As opposed to you - living on the dole at your mom's house.


GeoSynch

[S888Wheel]

it never ceases to amaze me that Kate Bush wrote those songs between the ages
of 16 and 18. Despite it's shortcomings in production, The Kick Inside is a
magical album IMO. It will be the album of choice in next shoot out.

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with best sounding lps?

You think those ragtops can actually hear anything through their head
rags and burkas?

Why don't you move this to alt.kill.everyone.whodisagreeswith.me

The Big Cheese

Glans, I wrote:
> (Marc Phillips) wrote:
>
>
>>>>>I'm as hetero as they come, Dev.
>>>>
>>>>You can't say that until you have made one bad life decision after another,
>>>
>>>all
>>>
>>>>to make some woman or another happy You know, like I have.
>>>
>>>Surely the bottom line is where you are prepared to put your knob?
>>
>>Mine isn't really a knob; it's more like thunder from the gods.
>
>
> My knob is like a brane spanning the entire universe, anytime it
> touches something a "Big Bang" is invoked - resulting in the creation
> of another parallel universe. I haven't had any complaints!
>
>
> --
> S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

[Deep Ghoti]

In message >,
The Big Cheese > wrote:

> Hey asshole, what does this have to do with best sounding lps?
>

it's called toilet paper, ****. Try it, U'll like it.

[The Big Cheese]

Goat Boy,

We do use toilet paper in the USA.

You rag tops use your rag tops to wipe with. That why your kind is so
full of **** and smell so bad.

The Big Cheese

Deep Ghoti wrote:
> In message >,
> The Big Cheese > wrote:
>
>
>>Hey asshole, what does this have to do with best sounding lps?
>>
>
>
> it's called toilet paper, ****. Try it, U'll like it.
>
>