I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

"BrianEWilliams" wrote in message
om...
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!

Good luck, Brian




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Here is a short list off the top of my head.

Simon and Garfunkel Book Ends Original pressing.

Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy later U.S. pressing with GP written in the dead
wax.

Donovan A gift from a flower to a Garden. Original Epic stereo

Genesis Tresspass. Japanese pressing

Grateful Dead American Beauty original US pressing

These are just a few that are easy to find for the most part.

As for audiophile reissues I would say that MFSL is hit and miss and tend to be
way over priced. Classics are mostly excellent but they have a few turkies as
well. And DCC when you can find them are consistantly excellent. Speakers
Corner reissues are also excellent. EMI Century reissues are usually good and
the EMI millenium reissues are usually bad. Simply Vinyl varies widely from
title to title.

Then ther is classical and Jazz and other genres. Books have been written on
the subject.

Yustabe said:

"BrianEWilliams" wrote in message
. com...
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!

Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years, my
Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about getting
something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few people
that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
stick with it.

I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the plastic
clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this because
it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)

Boon

Brian Williams said:

I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?

My best sounding LPs are as follows:

Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
heard. Incredible dynamics.

Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real to
me, especially the ride cymbal.

Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
realistic piano I've heard on a recording.

Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the detail
is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.

The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums of
all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but it
sounds very, very realistic.

I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
when compared to other Beatles LPs.

There are many, many more.

Boon

Mr. Phillips wrote:


Yustabe said:

"BrianEWilliams" wrote in message
.com...
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!

Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years, my
Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about getting
something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few
people
that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
stick with it.

I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the
plastic
clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this
because
it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)

Boon







Marc, I've owned a VPI 16.5 RCM for about 10 years, and it is built like a
tank. I've virtually had no maintenance or replacement problems with it and
the only think I've ever added to it is a 2nd wand (cf. below) and a
replacement of the "mat" that comes with it after the original wore out. It
may interest you to know that I follow the Disc Doctor protocol and use both
products together. And yes, it is very easy to clean records right on the VPI
RCM's 12" platter with a DD brush and cleaning solution. I use one brush and
DD cleaner as directed by DD, then clean it off with the first wand, then apply
the distilled water rinse with the 2nd DD brush, and then dry the record with
the 2nd VPI wand. This combination of using the DD brushes for
cleaning/rinsing and the VPI RCM for drying both the cleaned record and the
rinsed record seems to work fine.

As for the listener's question about fine sounding LP's, depending on one's
musical tastes, I'd certainly recommend getting some Sheffield direct-to-disc
records on eBay. Most of them are not too expensive, and they are generally
considered among the best sounding LPs ever made. (I like the famous Thelma
Houston disc - I've Got the Music In Me, and for jazz lovers, it's hard to beat
the Harry James big band showpieces).



Bruce J. Richman

Dr. Richman said:

Mr. Phillips wrote:


Yustabe said:

"BrianEWilliams" wrote in message
e.com...
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!

Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years,
my
Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about
getting
something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few
people
that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
stick with it.

I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the
plastic
clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this
because
it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)

Boon







Marc, I've owned a VPI 16.5 RCM for about 10 years, and it is built like a
tank. I've virtually had no maintenance or replacement problems with it and
the only think I've ever added to it is a 2nd wand (cf. below) and a
replacement of the "mat" that comes with it after the original wore out. It
may interest you to know that I follow the Disc Doctor protocol and use both
products together. And yes, it is very easy to clean records right on the
VPI
RCM's 12" platter with a DD brush and cleaning solution. I use one brush and
DD cleaner as directed by DD, then clean it off with the first wand, then
apply
the distilled water rinse with the 2nd DD brush, and then dry the record with
the 2nd VPI wand. This combination of using the DD brushes for
cleaning/rinsing and the VPI RCM for drying both the cleaned record and the
rinsed record seems to work fine.

That's exactly what I needed to hear. It's the 16.5 for me! Thanks, Doc!


As for the listener's question about fine sounding LP's, depending on one's
musical tastes, I'd certainly recommend getting some Sheffield direct-to-disc
records on eBay. Most of them are not too expensive, and they are generally
considered among the best sounding LPs ever made. (I like the famous Thelma
Houston disc - I've Got the Music In Me, and for jazz lovers, it's hard to
beat
the Harry James big band showpieces).

I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I also
agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.

Boon

Mr. Phillips wrote:


Brian Williams said:

I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?

My best sounding LPs are as follows:

Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
heard. Incredible dynamics.

Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real
to
me, especially the ride cymbal.

Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
realistic piano I've heard on a recording.

Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the
detail
is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.

The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums
of
all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but
it
sounds very, very realistic.

I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
when compared to other Beatles LPs.

There are many, many more.

Boon










Of course, a lot of this depends on musical tastes, but here are a few of my
favorite nominations, from different genres, for best sounding LPs:

Classical:

(1) Fremaux, Birmingham Symphony, Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 (The "Organ"
Symphony) - on a Klavier Heavy Vinyl release/reissue (if you can't find or
afford the original). Awe-inspiring with great dynamics. As an aside, the
famous melody from this work was heard throughout the soundtrack of "Babe" -
lol.

(2) L.A. Philharmonic, Various selections by Wagner, on a Sheffield
Direct-to-Disc LP - got a Grammy award for engineering excellence when
originally released. Wait until you hear Ride of the Valkyries on this one!

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five - on a Columbia Six-Eye, or if too hard to find,
the Classic Records reissue of this jazz classic is excellent.

(2) Any of the 3 Harry James big band LP's on Sheffield Direct-to-Disc LPs - I
like King James version best, but all are exceptional, and you'll think the
musicians are in the room!

(3) Bill Berry - For Duke - on M&K - another fabulous and justly well known
direct-to-disc classic with staggering sonics.

(4) Manhattan Transfer - Live! - on Mobile Fidelity. (Most of the Manhattan
Transfer recordings, even in their non-MoFi versions, are very well done).

(5) L.A. Four - Pavane Pour Une Infante Defunte - on East Wind Direct to Disc
LP - one of the best sounding direct to disc LPs you will ever hear, and worth
what you have to pay for it Mostly brazilian music such as Black Orpheus,
and if you like this you might also want try and find a copy on Verve of "Jazz
Samba" with Stan Getz & Charlie Byrd.

Popular:

(1) Eric Clapton - Unplugged (my copy is on German vinyl) - very realistic,
live recording.

(2) Muddy Waters - Folk Singer - on Mobile Fidelity - one of the best sounding
blues records you will ever hear. Unfortunately, the high demand has driven up
the price for this, but if you hear it and want a truly great listening
experience, you might be tempted to search for a reasonably priced copy.

(3) Soundtrack - Cat People (a Georgio Moroder score), and a hair raising
performance by David Bowie of "Putting Out the Fire With Gasoline". Very dark,
dynamic music that richly conveys the themes of the film. When I was first
trying to decide if purchasing electrostatics would be OK with pulsating,
driving, dynamic music, this was one of the LPs used for a test. I now own
Martin Logans - 'nuff said.

(4) And for something completely different, the Ry Cooder recording of "Jazz".
An unusual collection of different musical instruments, ragtime, slide guitar -
hard to categorize, but Ry Cooder is worth hearing on just about *any* of his
LPs (Chicken Skin Music is also highly recommended). Unless you've won a
lottery, you won't be able to afford the Mobile Fidelity version of "Jazz" ,
but the everyday Warner Bros. version is very good sounding.

(5) Rickie Lee Jones - Try her first album "Rickie Lee Jones" or "Pop Pop" -
the latter is very closely miked, very intimate, and is very well recorded.






Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Mr. Phillips wrote:



Brian Williams said:


I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these

from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly

interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?

My best sounding LPs are as follows:

Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
heard. Incredible dynamics.

Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real
to
me, especially the ride cymbal.

Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
realistic piano I've heard on a recording.

Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the
detail
is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.

The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums
of
all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but
it
sounds very, very realistic.

I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
when compared to other Beatles LPs.

There are many, many more.

Boon











Of course, a lot of this depends on musical tastes, but here are a few of my
favorite nominations, from different genres, for best sounding LPs:

Classical:

(1) Fremaux, Birmingham Symphony, Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 (The "Organ"
Symphony) - on a Klavier Heavy Vinyl release/reissue (if you can't find or
afford the original). Awe-inspiring with great dynamics. As an aside, the
famous melody from this work was heard throughout the soundtrack of "Babe" -
lol.

(2) L.A. Philharmonic, Various selections by Wagner, on a Sheffield
Direct-to-Disc LP - got a Grammy award for engineering excellence when
originally released. Wait until you hear Ride of the Valkyries on this one!

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...


(2) Muddy Waters - Folk Singer - on Mobile Fidelity - one of the best
sounding
blues records you will ever hear. Unfortunately, the high demand has
driven up
the price for this, but if you hear it and want a truly great listening
experience, you might be tempted to search for a reasonably priced copy.


I actually like my Chess pressing better than my MFSL.




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Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.


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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
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Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting


Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.

Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.

"BrianEWilliams" wrote in message
om...
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.

I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I
also
agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.

Boon








I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.

In article .net,
trotsky wrote:

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen

Greg Singh wrote:


Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
link.net...


Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...72&category=10
78#ebayphotohosting


Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.








Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and research.
They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being continually
exposed as liars and braggarts.



Bruce J. Richman

Stephen wrote:


In article .net,
trotsky wrote:

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen








Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the word
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".


Bruce J. Richman

Scott wrote:



I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I
also
agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.

Boon








I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.







I'll second that recommendation. The Eric Bibb album is very good, and one of
my favorite folk music records. I've also got some nice Opus 3 LPs featuring,
unfortunately, some rather obscure jazz combos, but are highly listenable.



Bruce J. Richman

MiNE 109 wrote:
In article .net,
trotsky wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:


Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.


Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...


Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a **** about the facts, of course.

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Greg Singh wrote:



Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
rthlink.net...



Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...72&category=10

78#ebayphotohosting


Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.









Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and research.
They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being continually
exposed as liars and braggarts.


You have an odd way of saying "point taken", Bruce. If you need any
more info. on records let me know.

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Stephen wrote:



In article .net,
trotsky wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen









Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the word
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".


Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?

In article , trotsky
wrote:

MiNE 109 wrote:
In article .net,
trotsky wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:


Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.


Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...


Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a **** about the facts, of course.


I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.

Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.

Greg Singh wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Greg Singh wrote:



Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
arthlink.net...



Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...72&category=10

78#ebayphotohosting


Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.









Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and
research.
They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being
continually
exposed as liars and braggarts.


You have an odd way of saying "point taken", Bruce. If you need any
more info. on records let me know.









Your inability to comprehend English is duly noted. I'd suggest you try and
get some help for your latest set of delusions.
And since you don't know much of anything about records, which complements
nicely your lack of knowledge about how to successfully design or market
loudspeakers, perhaps you should consider taking up a less demanding topic to
discuss - such as your contributions to meaningful conversation on newsgroups.



Bruce J. Richman

MiNE 109 wrote:
In article , trotsky wrote:


MiNE 109 wrote:

In article .net,
trotsky wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:


Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.


Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...


Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a **** about the facts, of course.



I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.

Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.


And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?

Greg Singh wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Stephen wrote:



In article .net,
trotsky wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen









Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the
word
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".


Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?









No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the audio
products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or Peter
Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.

So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on Audiogon
for perhaps the cost of materials?






Bruce J. Richman

S888wheel said:

I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.


I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is one
of my absolute favorites.

Boon

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Greg Singh wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Stephen wrote:




In article .net,
trotsky wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen









Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the

word

advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".


Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?










No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the audio
products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or Peter
Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.

So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on Audiogon
for perhaps the cost of materials?


It's only a matter of time now. You don't want to admit to the
possibility that I may have one of the best sounding speakers on the
market because you're not really interested in good sound. You're too
busy buying brand names.

Greg Singh wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Greg Singh wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Stephen wrote:




In article .net,
trotsky wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.

Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen









Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the

word

advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".


Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?










No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the
audio
products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or
Peter
Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.

So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on
Audiogon
for perhaps the cost of materials?


It's only a matter of time now. You don't want to admit to the
possibility that I may have one of the best sounding speakers on the
market because you're not really interested in good sound. You're too
busy buying brand names.









As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me and
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might not
believe or what I mght or might not buy?

You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been known
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about any
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about my
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear, I'm
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the same
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces of my
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair of
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about either
electrostatics or Quads specifically.

Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me and
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might not
believe or what I mght or might not buy?

You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been known
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about any
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about my
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear, I'm
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the same
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces of my
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair of
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about either
electrostatics or Quads specifically.

Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.

In article ,
(Marc Phillips) wrote:

S888wheel said:

I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.


I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is
one of my absolute favorites.

I found a cd of that one for a buck. Pleasant surprise.

Stephen

In article , trotsky
wrote:

MiNE 109 wrote:
In article , trotsky wrote:


MiNE 109 wrote:

In article .net,
trotsky wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:


Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.


Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...


Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a **** about the facts, of course.



I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.

Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.


And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?


You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.

Go stuff a port.

Greg Singh wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:

As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me
and
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might
not
believe or what I mght or might not buy?

You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been
known
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about
any
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about
my
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,
I'm
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the
same
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces
of my
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair
of
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about
either
electrostatics or Quads specifically.

Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.









As usual, you're lieing again. About both your knowledge re. audio and about
my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of what
brands might be worth personally auditioning. 95% of my research involved
actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
turntables are not shared by hardly anybody that has made meaningful
comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of some
English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
sold along with other English brands). But thanks for validating my previous
observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
"sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again you're
wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
judgment, why even discuss them?



Bruce J. Richman

MiNE 109 said:

And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?

You have no case for calling me a liar.

I wonder how long until Greg starts calling people "proven liars".

Stephen said:

In article ,
(Marc Phillips) wrote:

S888wheel said:

I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.


I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is

one of my absolute favorites.

I found a cd of that one for a buck. Pleasant surprise.

I get very specific visuals of life in Scandinavia during the winter when I
listen to it. It's pretty amazing music.

Also, Opus 3 CDs sound pretty good, but not as good as the LPs.

Boon

MiNE 109 wrote:
In article , trotsky wrote:


MiNE 109 wrote:

In article , trotsky wrote:



MiNE 109 wrote:


In article .net,
trotsky wrote:




Bruce J. Richman wrote:


Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -



No such record.


Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...


Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a **** about the facts, of course.



I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.

Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.


And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?



You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.


Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Greg Singh wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:


As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me

and

have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might

not

believe or what I mght or might not buy?

You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been

known

to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about

any

topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about

my

buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,

I'm

not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the

same

speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces

of my

system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair

of

Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about

either

electrostatics or Quads specifically.

Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.










As usual, you're lieing again.


"Lieing"--got it.


About both your knowledge re. audio and about
my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of what
brands might be worth personally auditioning.


Right, so in your mind if it doesn't show up in a magazine then it isn't
worth auditioning. Exactly as predicted.


95% of my research involved
actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
turntables are not shared by hardly anybody


'Not shared by hardly anybody'--got it.


that has made meaningful
comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of some
English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
sold along with other English brands).


I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?


But thanks for validating my previous
observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
"sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again you're
wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
judgment, why even discuss them?


True, who discusses audio on this group.

Greg Singh wrote:


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Greg Singh wrote:



Bruce J. Richman wrote:


As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me

and

have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or
might

not

believe or what I mght or might not buy?

You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been

known

to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just
about

any

topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without
making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption
about

my

buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,

I'm

not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the

same

speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces

of my

system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair

of

Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about

either

electrostatics or Quads specifically.

Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.










As usual, you're lieing again.


"Lieing"--got it.



Shall we get into further pettiness? Or just leave that to you as you continue
to lose ground?



About both your knowledge re. audio and about
my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of
what
brands might be worth personally auditioning.


Right, so in your mind if it doesn't show up in a magazine then it isn't
worth auditioning. Exactly as predicted.



Just another lie. Your delusions never end, as evidenced above. Mind-reading
attempts duly noted. Failure to understand other people proven in idiotic
response from failed speaker manufacturer.


95% of my research involved
actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
turntables are not shared by hardly anybody


'Not shared by hardly anybody'--got it.



The usual blather from a failed manufacturer.


that has made meaningful
comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of
some
English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
sold along with other English brands).


I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?



You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas about
how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former employer
also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat customers
in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that you
were fired?



But thanks for validating my previous
observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
"sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again
you're
wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
judgment, why even discuss them?


True, who discusses audio on this group.



Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is either to shill
for your speakers or fight with others. Of course, your preference would be to
engage in both obnoxious activities at the same time, correct?



Bruce J. Richman

"trotsky" wrote in message
...

You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.

Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?

Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.

ScottW

"John Steed" wrote in message
news:BFOrb.360959$6C4.21435@pd7tw1no...
Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.

Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.

ScottW

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Greg Singh wrote:

I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?




You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas about
how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former employer
also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat customers
in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that you
were fired?



Bruce, you're in serious denial here. You want to go toe to toe with me
in an audio discussion? You don't have the backbone.