Pre-amp recommendations [Archive]

Bret Ludwig

November 29th 05, 11:10 PM

Robert Morein wrote:
> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
> > The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
> > recommend some makes/models?
> >
> > Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
> > suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.

I would borrow a "passive preamp" first to see if you might not find
that wholly satisfactory. If not there are several out there, but a
homebuilt Marantz 7C clone will beat most modern ones solidly. Many
extremely expensive high end ones available today are poor. The use of
RCA connectors and excessively long interconnects, because people who
refuse to learn to solder buy them ready-made instead, renders any
effort at excellence moot in most installations even when good ones are
used.

Robert Morein

November 29th 05, 11:10 PM

>"21st century Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
>> The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
>> recommend some makes/models?
>>
>> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Schiz
>

Don't know. My hifi is junk.
I spend all my money on freebase and porn.
I live in a cheap bedsit.
I dream of younger men.

November 30th 05, 12:52 AM

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
> The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
> recommend some makes/models?
>
> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>
If you don't need a phono section then you could follow Ludwig's advice and
use a passive one, even though most of the rest of his diatribe is without
substance.

All you need is something to regulate the volume and connections for as many
devices as you have.

I think you could probably check out some audio stores and see if they will
let you switch between couple of them and see if you can hear any
difference. I get them to allow me to do comparisons like that as long as
they promise not to speak. They let me do the switching or they do it but
if they talk and try to sell me something before I finish with the
comparisons, I let them know they'll blow any chance at a sale.

I don't think preamps are that big a deal so long as the volume knob is dead
quiet and the connections and switches are well made, then that's about all
you need. You might even check to see if you can find an old receiver or
integrated amp that has preamp only capability like my old HK 730 did.

Stewart Pinkerton has a passive preamp that he built, so perhaps you can go
to RAHE and find one of his posts and discuss the pros and cons of such a
device.

Failing that, do what you like.

ScottW

November 30th 05, 01:22 AM

Schizoid Man wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
> required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
> Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
>
> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.

I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
and am hard pressed to tell a difference.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535

Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
designed and very reliable.

If you really want just line stage and remote control... this looks
interesting. Not sure but it appears passive.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138349164

When I was looking around for a passive someone was touting these
Parasounds but I don't have any experience with them.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138203756

ScottW

dizzy

November 30th 05, 01:37 AM

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:50:05 -0800, Schizoid Man > wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
>required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
>Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
>
>Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.

Parasound P/HP-850 is a good budget preamp only recently discontinued.
Unfortunately it's not remote controllable...

November 30th 05, 02:42 AM

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
> The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
> recommend some makes/models?

What does this preamp have to do? Does it have to amplify? How many
channels do you need?

Norm Strong

Margaret von B.

November 30th 05, 02:53 AM

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
> The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
> recommend some makes/models?
>
> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>
> Thanks,
> Schiz

For a lot less than $500, the Nakamichi CA-5 is overall very hard to beat
provided it has been professionally checked and brought back to spec. I also
love the sound of Melos SHA-Gold in the right system but many people think
that it sounds "bigger than life" or "bombastic". I still love its ability
to bring music alive despite the PITA controls (I have the version with the
"balance meter"). And you have a choice between active and passive modes of
operation. And one of the very best headphone amps around. I have no idea of
the going price of the Melos though but I bought my second unit for $450
from a dealer. BTW, in active mode the Melos can drive Avantgarde Trios
without a power amp... :-)

Cheers,

Margaret

Margaret von B.

November 30th 05, 02:58 AM

> wrote in message
...
>
> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
>> The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
>> recommend some makes/models?
>
> What does this preamp have to do?

Bake brownies. You blithering idiot!

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 03:02 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Schizoid Man wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
>> required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
>> Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
>>
>> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>
> I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
> you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
> and am hard pressed to tell a difference.
>
> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
>
> Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
> designed and very reliable.
>
I use a couple. It's a great preamp if you know how to solder, but there are
two considerations:
1. The circuit boards are single sided epoxy paper. The solder connections
holding the relays on the board develop cracks from the vibration of the
relay action. The units can always be repaired by resolding them, but this
is a definite design weakness. On the plus side, these preamps actually have
a balanced output, supplying both normal and inverted phase. The output
impedance is the lowest I've ever seen, around 15 ohms.
2. The analog power supply is cooled via vents on the top of the cabinet.
This area of the preamp runs extremely hot. These vents must not be obscured
by stacking, or very expensive repairs will be required. Even so, the board
tends to brown in this area.

Great line drivers, great sound. Just those little problems.

Arny Krueger

November 30th 05, 12:09 PM

> wrote in message

> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono
>> section not required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV),
>> Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone recommend some
>> makes/models?
>
> What does this preamp have to do?

Impress visiting firemen, and other paying customers.

>Does it have to amplify?

Yes, it needs to amplify Maggies' intelligence to the point
where she finds her first clue.

>How many channels do you need?

As many channles as it takes to satisfy her bloated ego.

paul packer

November 30th 05, 02:02 PM

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:09:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>>Does it have to amplify?
>
>Yes, it needs to amplify Maggies' intelligence to the point
>where she finds her first clue.

There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny. You obviously
believe you're more intelligent than anyone else on this NG. Thus I
have to ask: what proof do you have of this? Not your posts,
certainly.

>>How many channels do you need?
>
>As many channles as it takes to satisfy her bloated ego.

Did you know that good spelling is a sign of intehlligoence...er..
intelligence?

Arny Krueger

November 30th 05, 02:37 PM

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:09:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:

>> Does it have to amplify?

>> Yes, it needs to amplify Maggies' intelligence to the
>> point where she finds her first clue.

> There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny.

Only people who feel they are lacking need object.

> You obviously believe you're more intelligent than anyone
> else on this NG.

I really have no idea about that. However, in terms of
relevant knowlege and experience, the situation seems to be
pretty obvious.

>Thus I have to ask: what proof do you
> have of this? Not your posts, certainly.

What proof do you expect to find in my posts, Paul?
Remember, I have to "dumb down" just about everything I
write to you, for fear of shooting way over your pointy
little head.

>>> How many channels do you need?
>
>> As many channels as it takes to satisfy her bloated ego.

> Did you know that good spelling is a sign of
> intehlligoence...er.. intelligence?

Yet another example of your lack of intelligence, Paul.
Correct spelling has a lot to do with how much effort one
puts into the writing. There is very little on RAO that
deserves much effort, due to the high prevalence of
stupidity and childishness.

Sander deWaal

November 30th 05, 03:19 PM

"Robert Morein" > said:

>> Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
>> designed and very reliable.

>I use a couple. It's a great preamp if you know how to solder, but there are
>two considerations:
>1. The circuit boards are single sided epoxy paper. The solder connections
>holding the relays on the board develop cracks from the vibration of the
>relay action. The units can always be repaired by resolding them, but this
>is a definite design weakness. On the plus side, these preamps actually have
>a balanced output, supplying both normal and inverted phase. The output
>impedance is the lowest I've ever seen, around 15 ohms.

I've serviced many Yamaha (pre)amps, and other brands as well, but the
relay problems you describe here don't sound familiar to me.

Maybe it has something to do with my silly habit of resoldering PCBs
entirely, regardless of the problem they came in with :-)

>2. The analog power supply is cooled via vents on the top of the cabinet.
>This area of the preamp runs extremely hot. These vents must not be obscured
>by stacking, or very expensive repairs will be required. Even so, the board
>tends to brown in this area.

Resoldering of the drivers, resistors, and power supply regulator
transistors is a prerequisite, not just with Yamaha.

In general, I found it to be nice and reliable gear.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

Lionel

November 30th 05, 03:47 PM

paul packer wrote :

> Did you know that good spelling is a sign of intehlligoence...er..
> intelligence?

Oh I see...
So in fact you are using my poor spelling as a kind of springboard to propel
yourself in RAO world.
LOL ! I'm really glad to be able to help you.

--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 04:56 PM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > said:
>
>>> Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
>>> designed and very reliable.
>
>>I use a couple. It's a great preamp if you know how to solder, but there
>>are
>>two considerations:
>>1. The circuit boards are single sided epoxy paper. The solder connections
>>holding the relays on the board develop cracks from the vibration of the
>>relay action. The units can always be repaired by resolding them, but this
>>is a definite design weakness. On the plus side, these preamps actually
>>have
>>a balanced output, supplying both normal and inverted phase. The output
>>impedance is the lowest I've ever seen, around 15 ohms.
>
>
> I've serviced many Yamaha (pre)amps, and other brands as well, but the
> relay problems you describe here don't sound familiar to me.
>
> Maybe it has something to do with my silly habit of resoldering PCBs
> entirely, regardless of the problem they came in with :-)

Well sure. That is an unusual habit. But single sided boards, without plated
through eyelets, tend to develop problems. With Sony stuff, it's the RCA
jacks. With Yamaha, it is the relays. Sander, surely you've noticed the
tactile "clunk" when a Yamaha relay latches? Tin lead fatigues very easily
from vibration.
>
>
>>2. The analog power supply is cooled via vents on the top of the cabinet.
>>This area of the preamp runs extremely hot. These vents must not be
>>obscured
>>by stacking, or very expensive repairs will be required. Even so, the
>>board
>>tends to brown in this area.
>
>
> Resoldering of the drivers, resistors, and power supply regulator
> transistors is a prerequisite, not just with Yamaha.
>
> In general, I found it to be nice and reliable gear.
>
That has been my experience also. I have found the full, though 2-band,
parametric equalizer very useful. The inverted outputs can be used to bridge
amplifiers that do not contain internal bridging circuits. The sound is
second to none, in my solid state world :).

ScottW

November 30th 05, 05:14 PM

Robert Morein wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Schizoid Man wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
> >> required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
> >> Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
> >>
> >> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
> >> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
> >
> > I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
> > you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
> > and am hard pressed to tell a difference.
> >
> > http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
> >
> > Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
> > designed and very reliable.
> >
> I use a couple. It's a great preamp if you know how to solder, but there are
> two considerations:
> 1. The circuit boards are single sided epoxy paper. The solder connections
> holding the relays on the board develop cracks from the vibration of the
> relay action.

I've never seen a solder joint fail due to relay vibration. I suspect
thermal cycling is a far more likely cause. My unit has no
detectable heat output so I wonder if you may have a problem in your
power supply... a leaky cap perhaps.

I did have one of the main output connectors cracked a solder joint but
I attribute that to the use of monster interconnects which were grossly
too tight. I touched the joints with my iron and haven't had problem
since.

I will never understand why some people think soldering requires
skill... its just too easy.

> The units can always be repaired by resolding them, but this
> is a definite design weakness. On the plus side, these preamps actually have
> a balanced output, supplying both normal and inverted phase. The output
> impedance is the lowest I've ever seen, around 15 ohms.
> 2. The analog power supply is cooled via vents on the top of the cabinet.
> This area of the preamp runs extremely hot. These vents must not be obscured
> by stacking, or very expensive repairs will be required. Even so, the board
> tends to brown in this area.
>
> Great line drivers, great sound. Just those little problems.

As I said... for $150 with a decent phono stage I think he'd be hard
pressed to find a better deal.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

November 30th 05, 05:27 PM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
ups.com
> Robert Morein wrote:
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>>
>>> Schizoid Man wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono
>>>> section not required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV),
>>>> Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone recommend some
>>>> makes/models?
>>>>
>>>> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out
>>>> with the usual suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>>>
>>> I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think
>>> this will serve you well. I switched to a passive
>>> attenuator for my line level sources and am hard
>>> pressed to tell a difference.
>>>
>>> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
>>>
>>> Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C-
>>> series is well designed and very reliable.
>>>
>> I use a couple. It's a great preamp if you know how to
>> solder, but there are two considerations:
>> 1. The circuit boards are single sided epoxy paper. The
>> solder connections holding the relays on the board
>> develop cracks from the vibration of the relay action.
>
> I've never seen a solder joint fail due to relay
> vibration. I suspect thermal cycling is a far more
> likely cause. My unit has no detectable heat output so
> I wonder if you may have a problem in your power
> supply... a leaky cap perhaps.
>
> I did have one of the main output connectors cracked a
> solder joint but I attribute that to the use of monster
> interconnects which were grossly too tight. I touched
> the joints with my iron and haven't had problem since.
>
> I will never understand why some people think soldering
> requires skill... its just too easy.
>
>> The units can always be repaired by resolding them, but
>> this
>> is a definite design weakness. On the plus side, these
>> preamps actually have a balanced output, supplying both
>> normal and inverted phase. The output impedance is the
>> lowest I've ever seen, around 15 ohms.
>> 2. The analog power supply is cooled via vents on the
>> top of the cabinet. This area of the preamp runs
>> extremely hot. These vents must not be obscured by
>> stacking, or very expensive repairs will be required.
>> Even so, the board tends to brown in this area.
>>
>> Great line drivers, great sound. Just those little
>> problems.
>
> As I said... for $150 with a decent phono stage I think
> he'd be hard pressed to find a better deal.

One word: eBay.

Sander deWaal

November 30th 05, 06:21 PM

"Robert Morein" > said:

>> Maybe it has something to do with my silly habit of resoldering PCBs
>> entirely, regardless of the problem they came in with :-)

>Well sure. That is an unusual habit. But single sided boards, without plated
>through eyelets, tend to develop problems. With Sony stuff, it's the RCA
>jacks. With Yamaha, it is the relays. Sander, surely you've noticed the
>tactile "clunk" when a Yamaha relay latches? Tin lead fatigues very easily
>from vibration.

I've seen it with components that suffer from mechanical stress, like
in- and output connectors, switches, potmeters etc.
But until now, I've never noticed it with small-signal relays.

I'll have a better look next time a Yamaha passes my bench, and also
before I start wriggling the iron inside.

Stress from thermal cycles, yes. But that was already covered in my
former post.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

ScottW

November 30th 05, 06:26 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> One word: eBay.

If you don't mind bidding

Item 5835668034 and its here in SD too.

ScottW

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 06:57 PM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Robert Morein wrote:
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Schizoid Man wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
>> >> required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
>> >> Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
>> >>
>> >> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>> >> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>> >
>> > I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
>> > you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
>> > and am hard pressed to tell a difference.
>> >
>> > http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
>> >
>> > Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
>> > designed and very reliable.
>> >
>> I use a couple. It's a great preamp if you know how to solder, but there
>> are
>> two considerations:
>> 1. The circuit boards are single sided epoxy paper. The solder
>> connections
>> holding the relays on the board develop cracks from the vibration of the
>> relay action.
>
> I've never seen a solder joint fail due to relay vibration. I suspect
> thermal cycling is a far more likely cause. My unit has no
> detectable heat output so I wonder if you may have a problem in your
> power supply... a leaky cap perhaps.
>
Scott, I have two C-70's in service right now. The ps sections of both run
hot as hell, and perfectly in every other regard. A leaky cap would have
blown already, or had some other symptom. I also have a C-80, which runs
much cooler. This unit has no relays, just cable control of remote switches.

> I did have one of the main output connectors cracked a solder joint but
> I attribute that to the use of monster interconnects which were grossly
> too tight. I touched the joints with my iron and haven't had problem
> since.
>
> I will never understand why some people think soldering requires
> skill... its just too easy.
>
We don't know if Schizoid Man is into that. There's no point in giving him a
problem down the line he can't handle.

>> The units can always be repaired by resolding them, but this
>> is a definite design weakness. On the plus side, these preamps actually
>> have
>> a balanced output, supplying both normal and inverted phase. The output
>> impedance is the lowest I've ever seen, around 15 ohms.
>> 2. The analog power supply is cooled via vents on the top of the cabinet.
>> This area of the preamp runs extremely hot. These vents must not be
>> obscured
>> by stacking, or very expensive repairs will be required. Even so, the
>> board
>> tends to brown in this area.
>>
>> Great line drivers, great sound. Just those little problems.
>
> As I said... for $150 with a decent phono stage I think he'd be hard
> pressed to find a better deal.
>
They're not for everybody, Scott.

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 07:00 PM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > said:
>
>>> Maybe it has something to do with my silly habit of resoldering PCBs
>>> entirely, regardless of the problem they came in with :-)
>
>>Well sure. That is an unusual habit. But single sided boards, without
>>plated
>>through eyelets, tend to develop problems. With Sony stuff, it's the RCA
>>jacks. With Yamaha, it is the relays. Sander, surely you've noticed the
>>tactile "clunk" when a Yamaha relay latches? Tin lead fatigues very easily
>>from vibration.
>
>
> I've seen it with components that suffer from mechanical stress, like
> in- and output connectors, switches, potmeters etc.
> But until now, I've never noticed it with small-signal relays.
>
Reeds have insignificant clunk.
The Yamaha relays are armature driven latchers, not reeds. They take a big
coil pulse and have considerable mechanical inertia. That's why they sound
like little hammers. Reeds have so little mass, they are barely audible.

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 07:25 PM

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Robert Morein wrote:
>> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
>> > required.
>> > The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
>> > recommend some makes/models?
>> >
>> > Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>> > suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>
> I would borrow a "passive preamp" first to see if you might not find
> that wholly satisfactory.

A passive preamp is not a good choice for a typical CD player with op-amp
outputs.
If Schizoid Man has something better, with discrete outputs, or premium
op-amps, then it can work.

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 08:01 PM

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:09:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>>Does it have to amplify?
>>
>>Yes, it needs to amplify Maggies' intelligence to the point
>>where she finds her first clue.
>
> There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny. You obviously
> believe you're more intelligent than anyone else on this NG. Thus I
> have to ask: what proof do you have of this? Not your posts,
> certainly.
>
Yes, he really does. He has explicitly said so.
Arny, let's get one thing straight.
You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140. That's not bad at all.
But you are not a luminary. You are not one of the intellects of our epoch.

Arny, for you, it will be dust to dust, just like the rest of us; just like
Steve Zipser. You will not be remembered.

Paul, have you ever visited Hyde Park, and seen the soap box speakers?

>>>How many channels do you need?
>>
>>As many channles as it takes to satisfy her bloated ego.
>
> Did you know that good spelling is a sign of intehlligoence...er..
> intelligence?
>
Usenet is the home of many diseased personalities.

Arny Krueger

November 30th 05, 08:23 PM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > said:
>>
>>>> Maybe it has something to do with my silly habit of
>>>> resoldering PCBs entirely, regardless of the problem
>>>> they came in with :-)
>>
>>> Well sure. That is an unusual habit. But single sided
>>> boards, without plated
>>> through eyelets, tend to develop problems. With Sony
>>> stuff, it's the RCA jacks. With Yamaha, it is the
>>> relays. Sander, surely you've noticed the tactile
>>> "clunk" when a Yamaha relay latches? Tin lead fatigues
>>> very easily from vibration.
>>
>>
>> I've seen it with components that suffer from mechanical
>> stress, like in- and output connectors, switches,
>> potmeters etc. But until now, I've never noticed it with
>> small-signal
>> relays.
> Reeds have insignificant clunk.
> The Yamaha relays are armature driven latchers, not
> reeds. They take a big coil pulse and have considerable
> mechanical inertia. That's why they sound like little
> hammers. Reeds have so little mass, they are barely
> audible.

Sounds like a very backwards design. All that is needed is
normally-closed contacts, and those are available as reed
relays.

Arny Krueger

November 30th 05, 08:26 PM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.

Prove it by means of an independent reference. Obviously
Morein, your usual it's true because I say so approach is
completely invalid.

(a very interesting proposition, since its wrong!)

If you can't prove your claim Morein, that makes you exactly
as delusional as many of the rest of your posts show you to
be.

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 08:37 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>
>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>
> Prove it by means of an independent reference. Obviously Morein, your
> usual it's true because I say so approach is completely invalid.
>
I don't need to, as you have already tried to estimate Paul Packer's IQ.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Regardless, you are not an earthshaking intelligence. You could be a good
engineer, or a competent professional. There's no shame in that; it already
puts you in the 1% uppercrust of humanity.

But you do no good here at all, either for yourself, or your "cause." You
behaved like a normal person at the Debate, but here you show the side of
your personality that is most ugly.

If you had never posted on this newsgroup, you would have done your "cause"
a great favor. For all your intelligence, you can't see how other people
view you. Your view is strictly from the inside. All of us suffer from this
kind of self-centric view when growing up, but most people eventually go
beyond it. For some reason, you chose not to. From your performance at the
Debate, you know how to. If you wish to be an effective person, you should
always comport yourself exactly as you did during the Show.

If Google is efficient in the preservation of the archive of this newsgroup,
hundreds of years from now, your posts here may be the way people image Arny
Krueger. Do you really want that? All of the accomplished people of the
world inevitably have their petty sides, but it is pointless to deliberately
immortalize one's self in this manner.

George M. Middius

November 30th 05, 10:01 PM

Robert Morein said:

> > There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny. You obviously
> > believe you're more intelligent than anyone else on this NG. Thus I
> > have to ask: what proof do you have of this? Not your posts,
> > certainly.

> Yes, he really does. He has explicitly said so.
> Arny, let's get one thing straight.
> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140. That's not bad at all.
> But you are not a luminary. You are not one of the intellects of our epoch.

I'm of the opinion that smartness by itself matters little. A person's
accomplishments are much more revealing of his or her worth. Put another
way, the smarter you are on paper, the more you should be able to
accomplish in life.

I believe we all know what Arnii Krooger's accomplishments are. ;-)

BTW, I changed the thread title because I don't believe Mr. **** is a
megalomaniac. Quite the opposite -- he has no power and he doesn't take
any steps to amass it. The other day, I heard a term that applied quite
well to Turdborg. It's slipped my mind but it nicely encompassed Krooger's
persistent delusions of grandiosity and grotesquely inflated estimate of
his own importance.

Ruud Broens

November 30th 05, 10:06 PM

"Margaret von B." > wrote in message
...
:
: "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Hi all,
: >
: > I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
: > The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
: > recommend some makes/models?
: >
: > Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
: > suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
: >
: > Thanks,
: > Schiz
:
:
: For a lot less than $500, the Nakamichi CA-5 is overall very hard to beat
: provided it has been professionally checked and brought back to spec. I also
: love the sound of Melos SHA-Gold in the right system but many people think
: that it sounds "bigger than life" or "bombastic". I still love its ability
: to bring music alive despite the PITA controls (I have the version with the
: "balance meter"). And you have a choice between active and passive modes of
: operation. And one of the very best headphone amps around. I have no idea of
: the going price of the Melos though but I bought my second unit for $450
: from a dealer. BTW, in active mode the Melos can drive Avantgarde Trios
: without a power amp... :-)
:
:
: Cheers,
:
: Margaret
:
you must have an awfull lotta rooms
or wall to wall equipment in some home venue :-)
Rudy

Robert Morein

November 30th 05, 10:23 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Robert Morein said:
>
>> > There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny. You obviously
>> > believe you're more intelligent than anyone else on this NG. Thus I
>> > have to ask: what proof do you have of this? Not your posts,
>> > certainly.
>
>> Yes, he really does. He has explicitly said so.
>> Arny, let's get one thing straight.
>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140. That's not bad at
>> all.
>> But you are not a luminary. You are not one of the intellects of our
>> epoch.
>
> I'm of the opinion that smartness by itself matters little. A person's
> accomplishments are much more revealing of his or her worth. Put another
> way, the smarter you are on paper, the more you should be able to
> accomplish in life.
>
> I believe we all know what Arnii Krooger's accomplishments are. ;-)
>
>
>
> BTW, I changed the thread title because I don't believe Mr. **** is a
> megalomaniac. Quite the opposite -- he has no power and he doesn't take
> any steps to amass it. The other day, I heard a term that applied quite
> well to Turdborg. It's slipped my mind but it nicely encompassed Krooger's
> persistent delusions of grandiosity and grotesquely inflated estimate of
> his own importance.
>
An incompetent megalomaniac?
I suspect that most megalomaniacs are incompetent. It is only the rare few,
combining manipulative cunning with mindless ambition for power, who go down
in History. Arny has all the cunning of a claw hammer.

Margaret von B.

November 30th 05, 11:30 PM

"Ruud Broens" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Margaret von B." > wrote in message
> ...
> :
> : "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Hi all,
> : >
> : > I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
> required.
> : > The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
> : > recommend some makes/models?
> : >
> : > Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
> : > suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
> : >
> : > Thanks,
> : > Schiz
> :
> :
> : For a lot less than $500, the Nakamichi CA-5 is overall very hard to
> beat
> : provided it has been professionally checked and brought back to spec. I
> also
> : love the sound of Melos SHA-Gold in the right system but many people
> think
> : that it sounds "bigger than life" or "bombastic". I still love its
> ability
> : to bring music alive despite the PITA controls (I have the version with
> the
> : "balance meter"). And you have a choice between active and passive modes
> of
> : operation. And one of the very best headphone amps around. I have no
> idea of
> : the going price of the Melos though but I bought my second unit for $450
> : from a dealer. BTW, in active mode the Melos can drive Avantgarde Trios
> : without a power amp... :-)
> :
> :
> : Cheers,
> :
> : Margaret
> :
> you must have an awfull lotta rooms

Quite a few, actually.

> or wall to wall equipment in some home venue :-)

I do have a dedicated storage room where I keep most of my equipment. Even
my home studio is relatively uncluttered, thanks to digital...

Cheers,

Margaret

George M. Middius

November 30th 05, 11:56 PM

Margaret von B. said:

> I do have a dedicated storage room where I keep most of my equipment. Even
> my home studio is relatively uncluttered, thanks to digital...

Sounds spiffy. Give a shout next time you're having a tea party, would
you?

December 1st 05, 12:13 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Robert Morein wrote:
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Schizoid Man wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
>> >> required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
>> >> Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
>> >>
>> >> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>> >> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>> >
>> > I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
>> > you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
>> > and am hard pressed to tell a difference.
>> >
>> > http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
>> >
>> > Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
>> > designed and very reliable.
>> >
>> I use a couple. It's a great preamp if you know how to solder, but there
>> are
>> two considerations:
>> 1. The circuit boards are single sided epoxy paper. The solder
>> connections
>> holding the relays on the board develop cracks from the vibration of the
>> relay action.
>
> I've never seen a solder joint fail due to relay vibration. I suspect
> thermal cycling is a far more likely cause. My unit has no
> detectable heat output so I wonder if you may have a problem in your
> power supply... a leaky cap perhaps.
>
> I did have one of the main output connectors cracked a solder joint but
> I attribute that to the use of monster interconnects which were grossly
> too tight. I touched the joints with my iron and haven't had problem
> since.
>
> I will never understand why some people think soldering requires
> skill... its just too easy.
>
Once learned, yes. A lot of people just don't want to wait long enough for
the solder to melt. I've seen lots of separation from the board from people
using the iron improperly.
Some son't want to take the time to tin the iron or keep it clean. I have a
freind who works in a machine shop where they do van conversions for he
handicapped and does a lot of soldering and does it beautifully. He
installs the electronics that control the doors and the lift, etc. and
therefore is soldering every day, yet his work, good as it is, is not nearly
as good as his wife's. Go figure.

>> The units can always be repaired by resolding them, but this
>> is a definite design weakness. On the plus side, these preamps actually
>> have
>> a balanced output, supplying both normal and inverted phase. The output
>> impedance is the lowest I've ever seen, around 15 ohms.
>> 2. The analog power supply is cooled via vents on the top of the cabinet.
>> This area of the preamp runs extremely hot. These vents must not be
>> obscured
>> by stacking, or very expensive repairs will be required. Even so, the
>> board
>> tends to brown in this area.
>>
>> Great line drivers, great sound. Just those little problems.
>
> As I said... for $150 with a decent phono stage I think he'd be hard
> pressed to find a better deal.
>
And the parts should they need replacing are always standard AFAICR.

December 1st 05, 12:16 AM

December 1st 05, 12:23 AM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Robert Morein said:
>
>> > There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny. You obviously
>> > believe you're more intelligent than anyone else on this NG. Thus I
>> > have to ask: what proof do you have of this? Not your posts,
>> > certainly.
>
>> Yes, he really does. He has explicitly said so.
>> Arny, let's get one thing straight.
>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140. That's not bad at
>> all.
>> But you are not a luminary. You are not one of the intellects of our
>> epoch.
>
> I'm of the opinion that smartness by itself matters little. A person's
> accomplishments are much more revealing of his or her worth. Put another
> way, the smarter you are on paper, the more you should be able to
> accomplish in life.
>
> I believe we all know what Arnii Krooger's accomplishments are. ;-)
>
And as far as we know your biggest accomplishment is being a pain in the ass
on usenet.
Your folks must be so proud.
>
> BTW, I changed the thread title because I don't believe Mr. **** is a
> megalomaniac.

That seems to fit you like a glove.

Quite the opposite -- he has no power and he doesn't take
> any steps to amass it.

While you seem to think you have power that doesn't exist.

The other day, I heard a term that applied quite
> well to Turdborg.

What a funny name. Is that one of your siblings?

It's slipped my mind

Probably not that difficult.

but it nicely encompassed Krooger's
> persistent delusions of grandiosity and grotesquely inflated estimate of
> his own importance.
>
>
Speaking of delusions, why is it you appear to believe your own bull****.
I've seen no evidence that Arny (note proper spelling) does anything more
than try to correct factual inaccuracies spewed forth by some of the dimmer
people who haunt this board. Except for the times he strikes back at the
vitriol he gets for those efforts.

I have this notin that you have no mirrors in your house, so as to keep you
from looking yourself in the eye.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 12:24 AM

> wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>>
>> Prove it by means of an independent reference. Obviously Morein, your
>> usual it's true because I say so approach is completely invalid.
>>
>> (a very interesting proposition, since its wrong!)
>>
>> If you can't prove your claim Morein, that makes you exactly as
>> delusional as many of the rest of your posts show you to be.
> I don't know about delusional, but certainly childish.
> I killfiled him weeks ago and apparently he still responds to my posts
> with the usual nonsense.
>
I respond to all of Mikey's posts, for the benefit of those who do not
realize that he is R.A.O.'s Village Idiot.
Mikey, too bad you're missing all I say about you.

George, please quote?

Alex VonSockpuppet

December 1st 05, 12:28 AM

> wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>>
>> Prove it by means of an independent reference. Obviously Morein, your
>> usual it's true because I say so approach is completely invalid.
>>
>> (a very interesting proposition, since its wrong!)
>>
>> If you can't prove your claim Morein, that makes you exactly as
>> delusional as many of the rest of your posts show you to be.
> I don't know about delusional, but certainly childish.
> I killfiled him weeks ago and apparently he still responds to my posts
> with the usual nonsense.
>
That is correct, Mikey.
I am hard at work representing your subhuman IQ and stoogy slavery to Arny
Krueger.
I annotate everything you write.
You know, Mikey, you really don't belong here. You have a weak mind, a low
IQ, poor hearing, and a desire to be a human slave.
These annotations will continue.

Margaret von B.

December 1st 05, 12:53 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
>
>> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono
>>> section not required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV),
>>> Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone recommend some
>>> makes/models?
>>
>> What does this preamp have to do?
>
> Impress visiting firemen, and other paying customers.
>

So that is how you are making a living these days! IIRC Jesus had a thing
with a prostitute so your church-related ramblings are starting to make
sense... :-)

Cheers,

Margaret

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 01:02 AM

> wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> Robert Morein said:
>>
>>> > There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny. You obviously
>>> > believe you're more intelligent than anyone else on this NG. Thus I
>>> > have to ask: what proof do you have of this? Not your posts,
>>> > certainly.
>>
>>> Yes, he really does. He has explicitly said so.
>>> Arny, let's get one thing straight.
>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140. That's not bad at
>>> all.
>>> But you are not a luminary. You are not one of the intellects of our
>>> epoch.
>>
>> I'm of the opinion that smartness by itself matters little. A person's
>> accomplishments are much more revealing of his or her worth. Put another
>> way, the smarter you are on paper, the more you should be able to
>> accomplish in life.
>>
>> I believe we all know what Arnii Krooger's accomplishments are. ;-)
>>
> And as far as we know your biggest accomplishment is being a pain in the
> ass on usenet.
> Your folks must be so proud.
>>
>> BTW, I changed the thread title because I don't believe Mr. **** is a
>> megalomaniac.
>
> That seems to fit you like a glove.
>
> Quite the opposite -- he has no power and he doesn't take
>> any steps to amass it.
>
> While you seem to think you have power that doesn't exist.
>
> The other day, I heard a term that applied quite
>> well to Turdborg.
>
> What a funny name. Is that one of your siblings?
>
> It's slipped my mind
>
> Probably not that difficult.
>
> but it nicely encompassed Krooger's
>> persistent delusions of grandiosity and grotesquely inflated estimate of
>> his own importance.
>>
>>
> Speaking of delusions, why is it you appear to believe your own bull****.
> I've seen no evidence that Arny (note proper spelling) does anything more
> than try to correct factual inaccuracies spewed forth by some of the
> dimmer people who haunt this board. Except for the times he strikes back
> at the vitriol he gets for those efforts.
>
> I have this notin that you have no mirrors in your house, so as to keep
> you from looking yourself in the eye.
This is the response of Mikey McKelviphibian, r.a.o.'s village idiot. Mikey
does hold a distinction -- that of a weak mind, poor hearing, and slavish
devotion to Arny Krueger. He is a subhuman slave.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 01:15 AM

> wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> wrote in message ...
>>
[snip]
>
> I have this notin that you have no mirrors in your house, so as to keep
> you from looking yourself in the eye.
Mikey also "has always wished" that Bob Morein was impotent.
Hahahahahahaha!!!

George M. Middius

December 1st 05, 01:16 AM

All this time, I thought Mickey had no sense of humor.

> ... I've seen no evidence that [Arnii Kroofeces] does anything more
> than try to correct factual inaccuracies spewed forth by some of the dimmer
> people who haunt this board. Except for the times he strikes back at the
> vitriol he gets for those efforts.

That's a nicely loaded setup line, Bugsy. I can hardly wait for the
punchline. How long will it take you to deliver the coup de grace of this
no doubt epochally droll riposte?

George M. Middius

December 1st 05, 01:25 AM

Margaret von B. said:

> So that is how you are making a living these days! IIRC Jesus had a thing
> with a prostitute so your church-related ramblings are starting to make
> sense... :-)

Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a "back-alley
cock-sucking whore".

Annika1980

December 1st 05, 01:47 AM

>The 915 is smooth, with a tremendous bottom.

It is the J-Lo of preamps.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 01:58 AM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
>
>
> All this time, I thought Mickey had no sense of humor.
>
>> ... I've seen no evidence that [Arnii Kroofeces] does anything more
>> than try to correct factual inaccuracies spewed forth by some of the
>> dimmer
>> people who haunt this board. Except for the times he strikes back at the
>> vitriol he gets for those efforts.
>
> That's a nicely loaded setup line, Bugsy. I can hardly wait for the
> punchline. How long will it take you to deliver the coup de grace of this
> no doubt epochally droll riposte?
>
We're talking epochs, George. Mikey's life form has just crept out of the
sea on spiny fins. A song-and-dance is far in the future.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 01:59 AM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
>
> Margaret von B. said:
>
>> So that is how you are making a living these days! IIRC Jesus had a thing
>> with a prostitute so your church-related ramblings are starting to make
>> sense... :-)
>
> Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a "back-alley
> cock-sucking whore".
>
This would be too good to be true. Kindly supply business invoices ;)

George M. Middius

December 1st 05, 02:26 AM

Robert Morein said:

> > Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a "back-alley
> > cock-sucking whore".

> This would be too good to be true. Kindly supply business invoices ;)

After he said it (back in the '90s), we had a field day throwing it in his
face. It appears now that Turdy has "nuked" the original post, so all that
remains are the references to that line by other posters.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 02:54 AM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Robert Morein said:
>
>> > Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a
>> > "back-alley
>> > cock-sucking whore".
>
>> This would be too good to be true. Kindly supply business invoices ;)
>
> After he said it (back in the '90s), we had a field day throwing it in his
> face. It appears now that Turdy has "nuked" the original post, so all that
> remains are the references to that line by other posters.
>
Grosse Point would make a nice supplementary income.

Arny Krueger

December 1st 05, 03:34 AM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>>
>> Prove it by means of an independent reference. Obviously
>> Morein, your usual it's true because I say so approach
>> is completely invalid.
> I don't need to...

IOW, as usualalking out the back of your neck, Morein.

What's new?

dave weil

December 1st 05, 03:38 AM

On 30 Nov 2005 17:47:03 -0800, "Annika1980" >
wrote:

>>The 915 is smooth, with a tremendous bottom.
>
>It is the J-Lo of preamps.

Or the John Daly.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 04:18 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>>>
>>> Prove it by means of an independent reference. Obviously
>>> Morein, your usual it's true because I say so approach
>>> is completely invalid.
>> I don't need to...
>
> IOW, as usualalking out the back of your neck, Morein.
>
You poor fellow. You really are damned, a prisoner of your own sickness.
It's a shame, considering how intelligent you are.

paul packer

December 1st 05, 06:31 AM

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:37:11 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny.
>
>Only people who feel they are lacking need object.

No, those who are aware that IQ and technical knowledge are only one
aspect of intelligence are justified in objecting. World experience
should have taught you that by now, Arnie. It should have helped put
your delusions of superiority in their place.

>> You obviously believe you're more intelligent than anyone
>> else on this NG.
>
>I really have no idea about that.

Correct.

> However, in terms of
>relevant knowlege and experience, the situation seems to be
>pretty obvious.

As above. Your general technical knowledge seems sound (not that I'm
placed to judge), but that only indicates intelligence or capacity in
one area without proving overall intelligence. On the other hand,
believing you're more intelligent than everyone else because you have
certain technical knowledge is not...er...very intelligent.

>>Thus I have to ask: what proof do you
>> have of this? Not your posts, certainly.
>
>What proof do you expect to find in my posts, Paul?
>Remember, I have to "dumb down" just about everything I
>write to you, for fear of shooting way over your pointy
>little head.

More evidence of delusions of superiority. Do you imagine that a
professor of mathematics feels superior to those he passes in the
street because he can fathom theorems that to them would mean nothing?

(The correct answer, in case you were wondering, is no).

>>>> How many channels do you need?
>>
>>> As many channels as it takes to satisfy her bloated ego.
>
>> Did you know that good spelling is a sign of
>> intehlligoence...er.. intelligence?

Very naughthy, Arnie--you corrected your misspelling of "channels",
thus blunting my point. Hopefully you don't cheat like that regularly.

>Yet another example of your lack of intelligence, Paul.
>Correct spelling has a lot to do with how much effort one
>puts into the writing. There is very little on RAO that
>deserves much effort, due to the high prevalence of
>stupidity and childishness.

Yet you still take the trouble to post. I wouldn't have thought we'd
be worthy of such condescension.

Arny Krueger

December 1st 05, 11:14 AM

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:37:11 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>>> There you go with the intellligence thing again, Arny.
>>
>> Only people who feel they are lacking need object.
>
> No, those who are aware that IQ and technical knowledge
> are only one aspect of intelligence are justified in
> objecting.

Paul, I guess you are unaware of how many times I've tried
to explain the weaknesses of IQ testing to Art and Scott
(Wheeler).

>World experience should have taught you that
> by now, Arnie.

You're trying to sell old news, Paul.

> It should have helped put your delusions
> of superiority in their place.

What delusions of superiority? Yours and Morein's? LOL!

>>> You obviously believe you're more intelligent than
>>> anyone else on this NG.

>> I really have no idea about that.

> Correct.

Just belying the spirit and fact of most of your
contributions to this post, Paul.

>> However, in terms of
>> relevant knowlege and experience, the situation seems to
>> be pretty obvious.

> As above.

Wrong.

> Your general technical knowledge seems sound
> (not that I'm placed to judge), but that only indicates
> intelligence or capacity in one area without proving
> overall intelligence.

I have nothing to prove, Paul. What is, is what is.

>On the other hand, believing you're
> more intelligent than everyone else because you have
> certain technical knowledge is not...er...very
> intelligent.

That would be your idea, Paul.

>>> Thus I have to ask: what proof do you
>>> have of this? Not your posts, certainly.

>> What proof do you expect to find in my posts, Paul?
>> Remember, I have to "dumb down" just about everything I
>> write to you, for fear of shooting way over your pointy
>> little head.

> More evidence of delusions of superiority.

No, evidence of a correct asessment of your level of
knowlege and thinking, Paul.

> Do you imagine
> that a professor of mathematics feels superior to those
> he passes in the street because he can fathom theorems
> that to them would mean nothing?

I know better, because I hang out with a few professors from
time to time.

> (The correct answer, in case you were wondering, is no).

Let's talk about delusional behavior like that one, Paul.

>>>>> How many channels do you need?
>>>
>>>> As many channels as it takes to satisfy her bloated
>>>> ego.

>>> Did you know that good spelling is a sign of
>>> intehlligoence...er.. intelligence?
>
> Very naughthy, Arnie--you corrected your misspelling of
> "channels", thus blunting my point. Hopefully you don't
> cheat like that regularly.

Obviously Paul your limited mind is unfamiliar with how
spell checkers make it easy to over-correct.

>> Yet another example of your lack of intelligence, Paul.
>> Correct spelling has a lot to do with how much effort one
>> puts into the writing. There is very little on RAO that
>> deserves much effort, due to the high prevalence of
>> stupidity and childishness.

> Yet you still take the trouble to post.

I take the trouble to feed my dogs, Paul. I just don't cook
them fancy meals. What's your point?

>I wouldn't have
> thought we'd be worthy of such condescension.

If you wouldn't try to lord it over me Paul, I'd let you off
easy.

Arny Krueger

December 1st 05, 11:17 AM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it by means of an independent reference.
>>>> Obviously Morein, your usual it's true because I say
>>>> so approach is completely invalid.
>>> I don't need to...
>>
>> IOW, as usualalking out the back of your neck, Morein.
>>
> You poor fellow. You really are damned, a prisoner of
> your own sickness.

Which sickness is that Robert?

Do you really want to go there Robert, given your umm,
checkered past?

>It's a shame, considering how intelligent you are.

Robert, the more serious shame is that RAO has gotten so bad
that baby strokes like you, Paul, George and Art are all I
have to toy with. You've chased away almost everybody with a
brain. I just drop in to scatter some figurative corn for
the chickens, and sniff for the heady scent of intelligent
life.

Clyde Slick

December 1st 05, 12:23 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Robert, the more serious shame is that RAO has gotten so bad that baby
> strokes like you, Paul, George and Art are all I have to toy with. You've
> chased away almost everybody with a brain. I just drop in to scatter some
> figurative corn for the chickens, and sniff for the heady scent of
> intelligent life.
>

Gee, then you ought to go back to RAHE

George M. Middius

December 1st 05, 12:33 PM

Clyde Slick said to the Big ****:

> > intelligent life.

> Gee, then you ought to go back to RAHE

Didn't you hear? The RAH-E moderators fumigated the place with
Kroo-B-Gone. That did a great job of repelling Turdy. To be on the safe
side -- in case Kroo**** ever developed a resistance to that stuff -- they
also fitted every portal with anti-delusional misters. With defenses like
that, almost any venue would be Kroo-proof.

Clyde Slick

December 1st 05, 12:59 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Clyde Slick said to the Big ****:
>
>> > intelligent life.
>
>> Gee, then you ought to go back to RAHE
>
> Didn't you hear? The RAH-E moderators fumigated the place with
> Kroo-B-Gone. That did a great job of repelling Turdy. To be on the safe
> side -- in case Kroo**** ever developed a resistance to that stuff -- they
> also fitted every portal with anti-delusional misters. With defenses like
> that, almost any venue would be Kroo-proof.
>

Wow, I got my RAO Christmas list almost done.
I was gonna get you some Kroo repellant. but I looked
all over the net and couldn't find any.
Found a nice sale on nannites, though.

Mikey gets this:
https://www.inventiveparent.com/gobelt.htm

and for Arny:
http://www.justtoiletpaper.com/currencynew.shtml

I'm still trying to fins a helmet light
for Lionel, we don't want him getting lost in the sewers.

I'm gonna pay Bob's entry fee for 2006:
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/dwp-10pagecontest.htm

George M. Middius

December 1st 05, 01:33 PM

Clyde Slick said:

> > Didn't you hear? The RAH-E moderators fumigated the place with
> > Kroo-B-Gone. That did a great job of repelling Turdy. To be on the safe
> > side -- in case Kroo**** ever developed a resistance to that stuff -- they
> > also fitted every portal with anti-delusional misters. With defenses like
> > that, almost any venue would be Kroo-proof.

> Wow, I got my RAO Christmas list almost done.
> I was gonna get you some Kroo repellant. but I looked
> all over the net and couldn't find any.
> Found a nice sale on nannites, though.

> and for Arny:
> http://www.justtoiletpaper.com/currencynew.shtml

How thoughtful. Arnii just expressed a wish for another gift. Did you see
that post? He would like some "heady scent of concentrated fecality". Not
sure where to get it. Maybe a 'borg perfume factory. ;-)

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 03:56 PM

George M. Middius

December 1st 05, 04:11 PM

Robert Morein said to the Big ****:

> > Which sickness is that Robert?

> It is the sickness called the "right man" complex. Coined by L Sprague
> DeCamp, it refers to a syndrome where the afflicted individual always thinks
> he is right. The great dictators of history, Stalin, Hitler,Mao, Saddam, are
> said to have been afflicted with "right man." Let's do a simple test:
> 1. You estimate Paul Packer's IQ, based on nothing.
> 2. I do essentially the same thing with you.
> You proclaim yourself to be "right", and me to be "wrong".
> In your reply to this, you will either ignore the above, or counter it with
> pointless derogatory remarks, because you cannot be "wrong."

There's a third possibility: Krooger will start rambling about some
unrelated "audio debate" he imagines he won, probably in the distant past.

Arny Krueger

December 1st 05, 04:31 PM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>> . ..
>>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it by means of an independent reference.
>>>>>> Obviously Morein, your usual it's true because I say
>>>>>> so approach is completely invalid.
>>>>> I don't need to...
>>>>
>>>> IOW, as usualalking out the back of your neck, Morein.
>>>>
>>> You poor fellow. You really are damned, a prisoner of
>>> your own sickness.
>>
>> Which sickness is that Robert?
>>
> It is the sickness called the "right man" complex. Coined
> by L Sprague DeCamp, it refers to a syndrome where the
> afflicted individual always thinks he is right.

Sounds like your choice of:

(1) Robert Morien
(2) Art Sackman
(3) George Middius
(4) Margaret Von Transvestite
(5) Paul Packer
etc.

> The great
> dictators of history, Stalin, Hitler,Mao, Saddam, are
> said to have been afflicted with "right man." Let's do a
> simple test:

If the following is a test, or even just a random collection
of true facts, Robert Morein has really changed his ways.

> 1. You estimate Paul Packer's IQ, based on nothing.

That would be a false claim. I based my estimate of Paul
Packer's IQ based on a relatively long period of
interactions with him.

> 2. I do essentially the same thing with you.

Proving the fallacy of using brain-damaged persons to judge
the IQ of people with really pretty good smarts.

BTW any fool can see that points (1) and (2) above are not a
test. Just another indication of how thorougly out to lunch
Robert Morein is.

> You proclaim yourself to be "right", and me to be "wrong".

Robert, when you and I differ about things audio, the
chances of you being right are extraordinarly poor. You are
the kind of genius who repeatedly asserts here that all QSC
amps have switched, stepped power supplies for just one of
many examples of your loose grip on reality.

> In your reply to this, you will either ignore the above,
> or counter it with pointless derogatory remarks, because
> you cannot be "wrong."

Wrong Robert. Anybody who pursues technology at any serious
level gets whapped in the face, early and often, about how
he is wrong about some thing or the other. Software
development is probably the worst for that. Unlike you
Robert I've supported myself and my family for about 40
years by pursuing technology fairly seriously. About half of
that time I was engaged in software development. I have to
be able to handle being wrong in affirmative ways because of
what I do and have done.

There are a number of other life's experiences that provide
ample opportunities to be proven wrong in your own eyes. One
of them would be raising a family of children. And that
makes me two up on you!

I can be and am frequently wrong. However Robert especially
given that the Supreme Court of the United States agrees
with my evaluation of you, there are a few things about
which I'm simply not wrong. One of them is that you simply
aren't worth the trouble.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 05:57 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>>> . ..
>>>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of 140.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove it by means of an independent reference.
>>>>>>> Obviously Morein, your usual it's true because I say
>>>>>>> so approach is completely invalid.
>>>>>> I don't need to...
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW, as usualalking out the back of your neck, Morein.
>>>>>
>>>> You poor fellow. You really are damned, a prisoner of
>>>> your own sickness.
>>>
>>> Which sickness is that Robert?
>>>
>> It is the sickness called the "right man" complex. Coined
>> by L Sprague DeCamp, it refers to a syndrome where the
>> afflicted individual always thinks he is right.
>
> Sounds like your choice of:
>
> (1) Robert Morien
> (2) Art Sackman
> (3) George Middius
> (4) Margaret Von Transvestite
> (5) Paul Packer
> etc.
>
>> The great
>> dictators of history, Stalin, Hitler,Mao, Saddam, are
>> said to have been afflicted with "right man." Let's do a
>> simple test:
>
> If the following is a test, or even just a random collection of true
> facts, Robert Morein has really changed his ways.
>
>> 1. You estimate Paul Packer's IQ, based on nothing.
>
> That would be a false claim. I based my estimate of Paul Packer's IQ based
> on a relatively long period of interactions with him.
>
>> 2. I do essentially the same thing with you.
>
> Proving the fallacy of using brain-damaged persons to judge the IQ of
> people with really pretty good smarts.
>
> BTW any fool can see that points (1) and (2) above are not a test. Just
> another indication of how thorougly out to lunch Robert Morein is.
>
Stop right there. You have just behaved as a "right man". You cannot accept
that you have made a logical, and moral error. You are wrong, and have
deliberately blinded yourself to it.

Conclusion, Arny Krueger is a paranoid megalomaniac, with accompanying
"right man" syndrome.
You're in great company, Arny. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Mao.

Schizoid Man

December 1st 05, 06:04 PM

ScottW wrote:
> Schizoid Man wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
>>required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
>>Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
>>
>>Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>>suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>
>
> I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
> you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
> and am hard pressed to tell a difference.
>
> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
>
> Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
> designed and very reliable.
>
> If you really want just line stage and remote control... this looks
> interesting. Not sure but it appears passive.
>
> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138349164
>
> When I was looking around for a passive someone was touting these
> Parasounds but I don't have any experience with them.
>
> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138203756
>
> ScottW

The C-70 lacks a remote control though, right? Plus, it has a phono
section which I do not need and might lack the required number of inputs.

Arny Krueger

December 1st 05, 07:02 PM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> . ..
>>>>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of
>>>>>>>>> 140.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove it by means of an independent reference.
>>>>>>>> Obviously Morein, your usual it's true because I
>>>>>>>> say so approach is completely invalid.
>>>>>>> I don't need to...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IOW, as usualalking out the back of your neck,
>>>>>> Morein.
>>>>> You poor fellow. You really are damned, a prisoner of
>>>>> your own sickness.
>>>>
>>>> Which sickness is that Robert?
>>>>
>>> It is the sickness called the "right man" complex.
>>> Coined by L Sprague DeCamp, it refers to a syndrome
>>> where the afflicted individual always thinks he is
>>> right.
>>
>> Sounds like your choice of:
>>
>> (1) Robert Morien
>> (2) Art Sackman
>> (3) George Middius
>> (4) Margaret Von Transvestite
>> (5) Paul Packer
>> etc.
>>
>>> The great
>>> dictators of history, Stalin, Hitler,Mao, Saddam, are
>>> said to have been afflicted with "right man." Let's do a
>>> simple test:
>>
>> If the following is a test, or even just a random
>> collection of true facts, Robert Morein has really
>> changed his ways.
>>> 1. You estimate Paul Packer's IQ, based on nothing.
>>
>> That would be a false claim. I based my estimate of Paul
>> Packer's IQ based on a relatively long period of
>> interactions with him.
>>> 2. I do essentially the same thing with you.
>>
>> Proving the fallacy of using brain-damaged persons to
>> judge the IQ of people with really pretty good smarts.
>>
>> BTW any fool can see that points (1) and (2) above are
>> not a test. Just another indication of how thorougly out
>> to lunch Robert Morein is.
> Stop right there.

Good idea, Robert. I will stop right here. I was right about
your inability to understand what a questions is.

You really have nothing to say to defend yourself Robert.
You've shown that by launching into yet another of your
baseless attacks on me.

Margaret von B.

December 1st 05, 07:14 PM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>

> Conclusion, Arny Krueger is a paranoid megalomaniac, with accompanying
> "right man" syndrome.

> You're in great company, Arny. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Mao.

Regardless of what I think of them, all the above were charismatic men of
great power and influence who made history and had millions of followers.
OTOH, Arnii is a bitter old loser and internet troll who lives in his
basement unwittingly defecating on the reputation of (what's left of) his
family and on the memory of those who have passed. Arnii's atrocities result
primarily in internet pollution and there is no comparing Arnii to the
others. Arnii has demonstrated amply that he has the requisite evil
intentions but he has also demonstrated beyond any doubt that he has no
means or talent whatsoever to make them reality.

Margaret von B.

December 1st 05, 07:20 PM

"Margaret von B." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not required.
>> The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD. Can anyone
>> recommend some makes/models?
>>
>> Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>> suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Schiz
>
>
> For a lot less than $500, the Nakamichi CA-5 is overall very hard to beat
> provided it has been professionally checked and brought back to spec. I
> also love the sound of Melos SHA-Gold in the right system but many people
> think that it sounds "bigger than life" or "bombastic". I still love its
> ability to bring music alive despite the PITA controls (I have the version
> with the "balance meter"). And you have a choice between active and
> passive modes of operation. And one of the very best headphone amps
> around. I have no idea of the going price of the Melos though but I bought
> my second unit for $450 from a dealer. BTW, in active mode the Melos can
> drive Avantgarde Trios without a power amp... :-)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
>

Besides I think that you will find the Melos forehead absolutely
irresistible! :-)

Cheers,

Margaret

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 07:37 PM

"Margaret von B." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>
>> Conclusion, Arny Krueger is a paranoid megalomaniac, with accompanying
>> "right man" syndrome.
>
>> You're in great company, Arny. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Mao.
>
> Regardless of what I think of them, all the above were charismatic men of
> great power and influence who made history and had millions of followers.
> OTOH, Arnii is a bitter old loser and internet troll who lives in his
> basement unwittingly defecating on the reputation of (what's left of) his
> family and on the memory of those who have passed. Arnii's atrocities
> result primarily in internet pollution and there is no comparing Arnii to
> the others. Arnii has demonstrated amply that he has the requisite evil
> intentions but he has also demonstrated beyond any doubt that he has no
> means or talent whatsoever to make them reality.
>
Margaret, I regretfully agree with you. Regardless of what others think, I
still reserve the opinion that Arny has considerable intelligence, could be
a competent researcher, and could probably fix ABX to make it an optimal, if
not practical, method of comparison. Unfortunately, there is a well
documented shift in the brain with age, toward preservation of memory, at
the expense of adapability, reflected in the relative abundance of two types
of nerve growth factors.

Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age. Others
become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will that is one of
the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of demons that do not vanish
with a cup of coffee. He will never again welcome the rising sun as a
renaissance of opportunity.

December 1st 05, 10:11 PM

George M. Middius

December 1st 05, 10:28 PM

<sigh>

duh-Mikey tries to make a joke. Call the sanitation crew.

> > Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a "back-alley
> > cock-sucking whore".

> That's no way to talk about your mom.

Thanks Mr. McHurtMe for, admitting you are a necrophiliac.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 11:22 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> . ..
>>>>>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're pretty smart. Perhaps you have an IQ of
>>>>>>>>>> 140.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove it by means of an independent reference.
>>>>>>>>> Obviously Morein, your usual it's true because I
>>>>>>>>> say so approach is completely invalid.
>>>>>>>> I don't need to...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IOW, as usualalking out the back of your neck,
>>>>>>> Morein.
>>>>>> You poor fellow. You really are damned, a prisoner of
>>>>>> your own sickness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which sickness is that Robert?
>>>>>
>>>> It is the sickness called the "right man" complex.
>>>> Coined by L Sprague DeCamp, it refers to a syndrome
>>>> where the afflicted individual always thinks he is
>>>> right.
>>>
>>> Sounds like your choice of:
>>>
>>> (1) Robert Morien
>>> (2) Art Sackman
>>> (3) George Middius
>>> (4) Margaret Von Transvestite
>>> (5) Paul Packer
>>> etc.
>>>
>>>> The great
>>>> dictators of history, Stalin, Hitler,Mao, Saddam, are
>>>> said to have been afflicted with "right man." Let's do a
>>>> simple test:
>>>
>>> If the following is a test, or even just a random
>>> collection of true facts, Robert Morein has really
>>> changed his ways.
>>>> 1. You estimate Paul Packer's IQ, based on nothing.
>>>
>>> That would be a false claim. I based my estimate of Paul
>>> Packer's IQ based on a relatively long period of
>>> interactions with him.
>>>> 2. I do essentially the same thing with you.
>>>
>>> Proving the fallacy of using brain-damaged persons to
>>> judge the IQ of people with really pretty good smarts.
>>>
>>> BTW any fool can see that points (1) and (2) above are
>>> not a test. Just another indication of how thorougly out
>>> to lunch Robert Morein is.
>> Stop right there.
>
>
> Good idea, Robert. I will stop right here. I was right about your
> inability to understand what a questions is.
>
> You really have nothing to say to defend yourself Robert. You've shown
> that by launching into yet another of your baseless attacks on me.
Inability to rise beyond persona innuendo, noted.
Diagnosis: confirmed.

Robert Morein

December 1st 05, 11:23 PM

> wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret von B. said:
>>
>>> So that is how you are making a living these days! IIRC Jesus had a
>>> thing
>>> with a prostitute so your church-related ramblings are starting to make
>>> sense... :-)
>>
>> Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a "back-alley
>> cock-sucking whore".
>>
>>
>>
> That's no way to talk about your mom.
Evidence of poor reading comprehension, noted.
Diagnosis: inferior mind.

Margaret von B.

December 2nd 05, 01:36 AM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Margaret von B." > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>
>>> Conclusion, Arny Krueger is a paranoid megalomaniac, with accompanying
>>> "right man" syndrome.
>>
>>> You're in great company, Arny. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Mao.
>>
>> Regardless of what I think of them, all the above were charismatic men of
>> great power and influence who made history and had millions of followers.
>> OTOH, Arnii is a bitter old loser and internet troll who lives in his
>> basement unwittingly defecating on the reputation of (what's left of) his
>> family and on the memory of those who have passed. Arnii's atrocities
>> result primarily in internet pollution and there is no comparing Arnii to
>> the others. Arnii has demonstrated amply that he has the requisite evil
>> intentions but he has also demonstrated beyond any doubt that he has no
>> means or talent whatsoever to make them reality.
>>
> Margaret, I regretfully agree with you. Regardless of what others think, I
> still reserve the opinion that Arny has considerable intelligence, could
> be a competent researcher,

NASA or NAMBLA?

> and could probably fix ABX to make it an optimal, if
> not practical, method of comparison. Unfortunately, there is a well
> documented shift in the brain with age, toward preservation of memory, at
> the expense of adapability, reflected in the relative abundance of two
> types of nerve growth factors.
>
> Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age.
> Others become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will that
> is one of the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of demons that
> do not vanish with a cup of coffee. He will never again welcome the rising
> sun as a renaissance of opportunity.

I guess you are not counting opportunities to defecate.

Cheers,

Margaret

Robert Morein

December 2nd 05, 03:29 AM

"Margaret von B." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Margaret von B." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Conclusion, Arny Krueger is a paranoid megalomaniac, with accompanying
>>>> "right man" syndrome.
>>>
>>>> You're in great company, Arny. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Mao.
>>>
>>> Regardless of what I think of them, all the above were charismatic men
>>> of great power and influence who made history and had millions of
>>> followers. OTOH, Arnii is a bitter old loser and internet troll who
>>> lives in his basement unwittingly defecating on the reputation of
>>> (what's left of) his family and on the memory of those who have passed.
>>> Arnii's atrocities result primarily in internet pollution and there is
>>> no comparing Arnii to the others. Arnii has demonstrated amply that he
>>> has the requisite evil intentions but he has also demonstrated beyond
>>> any doubt that he has no means or talent whatsoever to make them
>>> reality.
>>>
>> Margaret, I regretfully agree with you. Regardless of what others think,
>> I still reserve the opinion that Arny has considerable intelligence,
>> could be a competent researcher,
>
> NASA or NAMBLA?
>
>
> > and could probably fix ABX to make it an optimal, if
>> not practical, method of comparison. Unfortunately, there is a well
>> documented shift in the brain with age, toward preservation of memory, at
>> the expense of adapability, reflected in the relative abundance of two
>> types of nerve growth factors.
>>
>> Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age.
>> Others become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will that
>> is one of the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of demons that
>> do not vanish with a cup of coffee. He will never again welcome the
>> rising sun as a renaissance of opportunity.
>
> I guess you are not counting opportunities to defecate.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
He will reach the age where bed is as good a place as any.

EddieM

December 2nd 05, 03:50 AM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
> "Margaret von B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Margaret von B." > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Conclusion, Arny Krueger is a paranoid megalomaniac, with accompanying
>>>>> "right man" syndrome.
>>>>
>>>>> You're in great company, Arny. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Mao.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of what I think of them, all the above were charismatic men of
>>>> great power and influence who made history and had millions of followers.
>>>> OTOH, Arnii is a bitter old loser and internet troll who lives in his
>>>> basement unwittingly defecating on the reputation of (what's left of) his
>>>> family and on the memory of those who have passed. Arnii's atrocities
>>>> result primarily in internet pollution and there is no comparing Arnii to
>>>> the others. Arnii has demonstrated amply that he has the requisite evil
>>>> intentions but he has also demonstrated beyond any doubt that he has no
>>>> means or talent whatsoever to make them reality.
>>>>
>>> Margaret, I regretfully agree with you. Regardless of what others think, I
>>> still reserve the opinion that Arny has considerable intelligence, could
>>> be a competent researcher,
>>
>> NASA or NAMBLA?
>>
>>
>> > and could probably fix ABX to make it an optimal, if
>>> not practical, method of comparison. Unfortunately, there is a well
>>> documented shift in the brain with age, toward preservation of memory, at
>>> the expense of adapability, reflected in the relative abundance of two
>>> types of nerve growth factors.
>>>
>>> Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age.
>>> Others become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will that
>>> is one of the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of demons that
>>> do not vanish with a cup of coffee. He will never again welcome the rising
>>> sun as a renaissance of opportunity.
>>
>> I guess you are not counting opportunities to defecate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
> He will reach the age where bed is as good a place as any.

Arny is a stupid person from head to toe. It is apparent to him now
that he has certain limitation. Things he should have known years
ago. Just like McKelvy, he accept and realize now that it's really
not all that bad to be a eunuch.

EddieM

December 2nd 05, 04:33 AM

> Robert Morein wrote
>
>
>>> Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age.
>>> Others become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will that
>>> is one of the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of demons that
>>> do not vanish with a cup of coffee. He will never again welcome the rising
>>> sun as a renaissance of opportunity.
>>
>> I guess you are not counting opportunities to defecate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
> He will reach the age where bed is as good a place as any.

Now that Arny (and McKelvy) consider himself a
eunuch, I wonder what the members of his Michigan Audio
Woofer Club think about him being one.

What is your opinion about a list of remaining *******(s)
pestering Rao?

December 2nd 05, 06:53 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> <sigh>
>
> duh-Mikey tries to make a joke. Call the sanitation crew.
>
>> > Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a
>> > "back-alley
>> > cock-sucking whore".
>
>> That's no way to talk about your mom.
>
> Thanks Mr. McHurtMe for, admitting you are a necrophiliac.
>
>
Wouldn't it be better if you spoke in your native language? Oink, oink.

Robert Morein

December 2nd 05, 07:04 PM

"EddieM" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Margaret von B." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Margaret von B." > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Conclusion, Arny Krueger is a paranoid megalomaniac, with
>>>>>> accompanying "right man" syndrome.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're in great company, Arny. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Mao.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of what I think of them, all the above were charismatic men
>>>>> of great power and influence who made history and had millions of
>>>>> followers. OTOH, Arnii is a bitter old loser and internet troll who
>>>>> lives in his basement unwittingly defecating on the reputation of
>>>>> (what's left of) his family and on the memory of those who have
>>>>> passed. Arnii's atrocities result primarily in internet pollution and
>>>>> there is no comparing Arnii to the others. Arnii has demonstrated
>>>>> amply that he has the requisite evil intentions but he has also
>>>>> demonstrated beyond any doubt that he has no means or talent
>>>>> whatsoever to make them reality.
>>>>>
>>>> Margaret, I regretfully agree with you. Regardless of what others
>>>> think, I still reserve the opinion that Arny has considerable
>>>> intelligence, could be a competent researcher,
>>>
>>> NASA or NAMBLA?
>>>
>>>
>>> > and could probably fix ABX to make it an optimal, if
>>>> not practical, method of comparison. Unfortunately, there is a well
>>>> documented shift in the brain with age, toward preservation of memory,
>>>> at the expense of adapability, reflected in the relative abundance of
>>>> two types of nerve growth factors.
>>>>
>>>> Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age.
>>>> Others become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will
>>>> that is one of the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of
>>>> demons that do not vanish with a cup of coffee. He will never again
>>>> welcome the rising sun as a renaissance of opportunity.
>>>
>>> I guess you are not counting opportunities to defecate.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>> He will reach the age where bed is as good a place as any.
>
>
>
> Arny is a stupid person from head to toe.
Socially stupid, not technically. I consider him a wasted talent.
He should have continued to work on ABX, rather than allowing it to
crystallize imperfectly.

George M. Middius

December 2nd 05, 07:26 PM

Robert Morein said:

> [The Krooborg is] Socially stupid, not technically. I consider him a wasted talent.
> He should have continued to work on ABX, rather than allowing it to
> crystallize imperfectly.

"Crystallize imperfectly" is a euphemism I've never heard before, Robert.

Arny Krueger

December 2nd 05, 07:32 PM

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> Socially stupid, not technically.

Wrong. I'm at least as socially adept as the average person.
It's just that on RAO social adeptness has no visible value.
Look at yourself for example Robert. Look at Middius. Posts
by both of you are a disaster, socially speaking.

> I consider him a wasted talent.

Coming from you Robert, that's high praise.

> He should have continued to work on ABX, rather
> than allowing it to crystallize imperfectly.

I quickly realized that further refinements to ABX after
PCABX were a case of casting pearls before swine.

Margaret von B.

December 2nd 05, 07:58 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Socially stupid, not technically.
>
> Wrong. I'm at least as socially adept as the average person. It's just
> that on RAO social adeptness has no visible value.

The only problem with that argument is that there seems to be no evidence of
any other forum or community where *your* "social adeptness" has any value
either. Naturally that leads any rational person to question its existence.

> Look at yourself for example Robert. Look at Middius. Posts by both of
> you are a disaster, socially speaking.

The previous paragraph is obviously only a minor example of yours. The Nate
debacle you engineered was the epitomy of your "social adeptness".
Especially the way you twisted it into child pornography was unprecedented
in the annals of "social adeptness".

Keep up the good work, Arnii.

Margaret

Lionel

December 2nd 05, 08:22 PM

Robert Morein wrote :

> Socially stupid, not technically. I consider him a wasted talent.
> He should have continued to work on ABX, rather than allowing it to
> crystallize imperfectly.

Even if I don't, philosophically, believe in the ABX vertues, I share your
POV.
BTW "crystallize imperfectly" isn't the best word to describe the state of
the ABX. Encystment would be IMHO a better word to describe it.

--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

Clyde Slick

December 2nd 05, 11:34 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Socially stupid, not technically.
>
> Wrong. I'm at least as socially adept as the average person.
.............attending the monthly SWMWTMS meeting.

Robert Morein

December 2nd 05, 11:53 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Socially stupid, not technically.
>
> Wrong. I'm at least as socially adept as the average person. It's just
> that on RAO social adeptness has no visible value. Look at yourself for
> example Robert. Look at Middius. Posts by both of you are a disaster,
> socially speaking.
>
>> I consider him a wasted talent.
>
> Coming from you Robert, that's high praise.
>
>> He should have continued to work on ABX, rather
>> than allowing it to crystallize imperfectly.
>
> I quickly realized that further refinements to ABX after PCABX were a case
> of casting pearls before swine.
I think the method has a lot of potential. Details of practical test
implementations need to be reexamined. You certainly have the background to
do this. There might even be certain dealers who would promote it, once the
kinks are ironed out that tend to dull discrimination.

Robert Morein

December 3rd 05, 01:06 AM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Morein wrote :
>
>> Socially stupid, not technically. I consider him a wasted talent.
>> He should have continued to work on ABX, rather than allowing it to
>> crystallize imperfectly.
>
> Even if I don't, philosophically, believe in the ABX vertues, I share your
> POV.
> BTW "crystallize imperfectly" isn't the best word to describe the state of
> the ABX. Encystment would be IMHO a better word to describe it.
>
Good word.
I think it should be available, and it should be good enough to be
respected, even if not widely used.

Robert Morein

December 3rd 05, 04:07 AM

"EddieM" > wrote in message
. net...
>
>> Robert Morein wrote
>>
>>
>>>> Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age.
>>>> Others become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will
>>>> that is one of the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of
>>>> demons that do not vanish with a cup of coffee. He will never again
>>>> welcome the rising sun as a renaissance of opportunity.
>>>
>>> I guess you are not counting opportunities to defecate.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>> He will reach the age where bed is as good a place as any.
>
>
>
> Now that Arny (and McKelvy) consider himself a
> eunuch, I wonder what the members of his Michigan Audio
> Woofer Club think about him being one.
>
> What is your opinion about a list of remaining *******(s)
> pestering Rao?
Details. Mere details.

Sockem

December 3rd 05, 04:10 AM

> wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>> duh-Mikey tries to make a joke. Call the sanitation crew.
>>
>>> > Indeed, Mr. **** has boasted several times that his wife is a
>>> > "back-alley
>>> > cock-sucking whore".
>>
>>> That's no way to talk about your mom.
>>
>> Thanks Mr. McHurtMe for, admitting you are a necrophiliac.
>>
>>
> Wouldn't it gruuunnt be better urrrrgh if you greeeeek spoke in your
> gruuuuuntttt native urrrrrgghhh language? Urrghhh. Gruuuunt

Is that mckelviphibian for "I want a coprolyte"

EddieM

December 3rd 05, 05:05 AM

> Robert Morein wrote
>> EddieM wrote
>>> Robert Morein wrote
>>
>>
>>>>> Some people are forever young in attitude, in defiance of their age.
>>>>> Others become early prisoners of their memories, a loss of free will
>>>>> that is one of the cruelest tells of aging. Arny is the victim of demons
>>>>> that do not vanish with a cup of coffee. He will never again welcome the
>>>>> rising sun as a renaissance of opportunity.
>>>>
>>>> I guess you are not counting opportunities to defecate.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Margaret
>>>>
>>> He will reach the age where bed is as good a place as any.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now that Arny (and McKelvy) consider himself a
>> eunuch, I wonder what the members of his Michigan Audio
>> Woofer Club think about him being one.
>>
>> What is your opinion about a list of remaining *******(s)
>> pestering Rao?
>
>
> Details. Mere details.

list

*******(s)

Rao

opinion

paul packer

December 3rd 05, 06:16 AM

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:14:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> No, those who are aware that IQ and technical knowledge
>> are only one aspect of intelligence are justified in
>> objecting.
>
>Paul, I guess you are unaware of how many times I've tried
>to explain the weaknesses of IQ testing to Art and Scott
>(Wheeler).

I am unaware of that, yes. However, this awareness does not seem to
show up in your posts.

>> It should have helped put your delusions
>> of superiority in their place.
>
>What delusions of superiority? Yours and Morein's? LOL!

Please provide Google references of where I have been putting people
down due to supposed lack of intelligence or some other failing. Two
or three will do--no need to overdo it.

>>>> You obviously believe you're more intelligent than
>>>> anyone else on this NG.
>
>>> I really have no idea about that.
>
>> Correct.
>
>Just belying the spirit and fact of most of your
>contributions to this post, Paul.

And this means what? You said you didn't know if you were more
intelligent than others on this NG. I agreed that indeed you didn't.

>> Your general technical knowledge seems sound
>> (not that I'm placed to judge), but that only indicates
>> intelligence or capacity in one area without proving
>> overall intelligence.
>
>I have nothing to prove, Paul. What is, is what is.

If you're going to claim intellectual superiority, as you have several
times here and on aus.hi-fi, then you do have something to prove.
Please prove it or refrain from claiming any kind of superiority,
there's a good boy.

>>On the other hand, believing you're
>> more intelligent than everyone else because you have
>> certain technical knowledge is not...er...very
>> intelligent.
>
>That would be your idea, Paul.

Nope, that would be a fact. You've already indicated that you don't
believe IQ is a very good measure of intelligence. I hope you can take
that a step further in order to realize that technical knowledge and
prowess are a measure of specific aptitude and facility, not
intelligence per se.

>>>> Thus I have to ask: what proof do you
>>>> have of this? Not your posts, certainly.
>
>>> What proof do you expect to find in my posts, Paul?
>>> Remember, I have to "dumb down" just about everything I
>>> write to you, for fear of shooting way over your pointy
>>> little head.
>
>> More evidence of delusions of superiority.
>
>No, evidence of a correct asessment of your level of
>knowlege and thinking, Paul.

Cheap shot without foundation, Arnie. No IQ points there.

>> Do you imagine
>> that a professor of mathematics feels superior to those
>> he passes in the street because he can fathom theorems
>> that to them would mean nothing?
>
>I know better, because I hang out with a few professors from
>time to time.

Glad to hear it.

>> (The correct answer, in case you were wondering, is no).
>
>Let's talk about delusional behavior like that one, Paul.

Makes no sense. Think again.

>>>>>> How many channels do you need?
>>>>
>>>>> As many channels as it takes to satisfy her bloated
>>>>> ego.
>
>>>> Did you know that good spelling is a sign of
>>>> intehlligoence...er.. intelligence?
>>
>> Very naughthy, Arnie--you corrected your misspelling of
>> "channels", thus blunting my point. Hopefully you don't
>> cheat like that regularly.
>
>Obviously Paul your limited mind is unfamiliar with how
>spell checkers make it easy to over-correct.

You misspelled "channels". Then in quoting yourself you sneakily
corrected the spelling. Don't try to lay the blame elsewhere.

>>> Yet another example of your lack of intelligence, Paul.
>>> Correct spelling has a lot to do with how much effort one
>>> puts into the writing. There is very little on RAO that
>>> deserves much effort, due to the high prevalence of
>>> stupidity and childishness.
>
>> Yet you still take the trouble to post.
>
>I take the trouble to feed my dogs, Paul. I just don't cook
>them fancy meals. What's your point?

My point is that if we're so far beneath you, why trouble with us?
Clearly, according to you, we're unable to understand your reasoning
unless you "dumb down" everything. I'd have thought there'd be NGs
with a higher intellectual level to keep you occupied.

>>I wouldn't have
>> thought we'd be worthy of such condescension.
>
>If you wouldn't try to lord it over me Paul, I'd let you off
>easy.

Please explain exactly how I "lord it over" you. And please don't let
me off easy.

Robert Morein

December 3rd 05, 04:18 PM

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:14:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
[snip]
> My point is that if we're so far beneath you, why trouble with us?
> Clearly, according to you, we're unable to understand your reasoning
> unless you "dumb down" everything. I'd have thought there'd be NGs
> with a higher intellectual level to keep you occupied.
>
I don't know if Arny is a sadistic person, but here, at least, he seems to
want to punish and humiliate those who he "enlightens."
The only person who accepts this willingly is Mikey, which is why I have a
slight disagreement with George about Mikey's primary diet.

>>>I wouldn't have
>>> thought we'd be worthy of such condescension.
>>
>>If you wouldn't try to lord it over me Paul, I'd let you off
>>easy.

Combined with the sadism is paranoia.
>
> Please explain exactly how I "lord it over" you. And please don't let
> me off easy.

Arny has often spoken of his "enemies" on this group. I don't know anybody
else who thinks they have enemies here, except, of course, McCarty.

Arny Krueger

December 3rd 05, 06:47 PM

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:14:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>>> No, those who are aware that IQ and technical knowledge
>>> are only one aspect of intelligence are justified in
>>> objecting.
>>
>> Paul, I guess you are unaware of how many times I've
>> tried to explain the weaknesses of IQ testing to Art and
>> Scott (Wheeler).
>
> I am unaware of that, yes. However, this awareness does
> not seem to show up in your posts.

Thagt would be recent posts.

>>> It should have helped put your delusions
>>> of superiority in their place.
>
>> What delusions of superiority? Yours and Morein's? LOL!

> Please provide Google references of where I have been
> putting people down due to supposed lack of intelligence
> or some other failing. Two or three will do--no need to
> overdo it.

I'll sidestep this debating trade trick.

Not all delusions of superiority manifest themselves as
putting people down on the grounds of intelligence.

>>>>> You obviously believe you're more intelligent than
>>>>> anyone else on this NG.
>>
>>>> I really have no idea about that.
>>
>>> Correct.

>> Just belying the spirit and fact of most of your
>> contributions to this post, Paul.

> And this means what? You said you didn't know if you were
> more intelligent than others on this NG. I agreed that
> indeed you didn't.

>>> Your general technical knowledge seems sound
>>> (not that I'm placed to judge), but that only indicates
>>> intelligence or capacity in one area without proving
>>> overall intelligence.

>> I have nothing to prove, Paul. What is, is what is.

> If you're going to claim intellectual superiority, as you
> have several times here and on aus.hi-fi, then you do
> have something to prove.

Not at all.

> Please prove it or refrain from
> claiming any kind of superiority, there's a good boy.

"...there's a good boy" - a clear pretention of
superiority.

You're obviously not being the least bit serious Paul. End
of discussion.

paul packer

December 3rd 05, 11:15 PM

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:47:14 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> Please provide Google references of where I have been
>> putting people down due to supposed lack of intelligence
>> or some other failing. Two or three will do--no need to
>> overdo it.
>
>I'll sidestep this debating trade trick.

I'm not surprised you recognise it, having used it so often yourself.

>> Please prove it or refrain from
>> claiming any kind of superiority, there's a good boy.
>
>"...there's a good boy" - a clear pretention of
>superiority.

Nope. A kindly nudge to let you know you're being immature.

>You're obviously not being the least bit serious Paul. End
>of discussion.

Transation: "Damn, can't get a clear win on this one. May as well walk
away."

Robert Morein

December 4th 05, 10:18 PM

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW wrote:
>> Schizoid Man wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
>>>required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
>>>Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
>>>
>>>Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
>>>suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
>>
>>
>> I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
>> you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
>> and am hard pressed to tell a difference.
>>
>> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
>>
>> Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
>> designed and very reliable.
>>
>> If you really want just line stage and remote control... this looks
>> interesting. Not sure but it appears passive.
>>
>> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138349164
>>
>> When I was looking around for a passive someone was touting these
>> Parasounds but I don't have any experience with them.
>>
>> http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138203756
>>
>> ScottW
>
> The C-70 lacks a remote control though, right? Plus, it has a phono
> section which I do not need and might lack the required number of inputs.

Correct. Consider a used Audio Alchemy DLC.

ScottW

December 4th 05, 10:24 PM

Schizoid Man wrote:
> ScottW wrote:
> > Schizoid Man wrote:
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I'm looking for a sub-$500 pre-owned pre-amp. Phono section not
> >>required. The sources will be Aux1 (TV), Aux2 (DVD) and primarily CD.
> >>Can anyone recommend some makes/models?
> >>
> >>Given my budget, or lack thereof, I'm starting out with the usual
> >>suspects - Adcom, Rotel, NAD.
> >
> >
> > I've got a C-70 which is very functional IMO. I think this will serve
> > you well. I switched to a passive attenuator for my line level sources
> > and am hard pressed to tell a difference.
> >
> > http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138482535
> >
> > Don't let the Yamaha haters give you any crap. The C- series is well
> > designed and very reliable.
> >
> > If you really want just line stage and remote control... this looks
> > interesting. Not sure but it appears passive.
> >
> > http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138349164
> >
> > When I was looking around for a passive someone was touting these
> > Parasounds but I don't have any experience with them.
> >
> > http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1138203756
> >
> > ScottW
>
> The C-70 lacks a remote control though, right? Plus, it has a phono
> section which I do not need and might lack the required number of inputs.

Actually mines a C-60. I got a C-70 owners manual. Anyway, it has 3
line level inputs and 2 tape monitors. The phono section is just a
bonus.

But no remote control... you have to get off your ass once in a while
:)

ScottW