About Dave Weil's deception.

[Lionel]

One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the true
"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

* I haven't no scruple
"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

* Trotsky is cruel :
"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
over and over again."


Who is dismissed Dave ?
I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.

LOL !

[dave weil]

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>One week ago Dave Weil told us :
>
>* I will tell you the true
>"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
>simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
>designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
>cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."
>
>* I haven't no scruple
>"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
>hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
>take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."
>
>* Trotsky is cruel :
>"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
>revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
>please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
>speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
>over and over again."

So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.

>Who is dismissed Dave ?

You are, of course.

>I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
>$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
>After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.

You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.

>LOL !

You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
disguise.

[Lionel]

dave weil wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>One week ago Dave Weil told us :
>>
>>* I will tell you the true
>>"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
>>simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
>>designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
>>cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."
>>
>>* I haven't no scruple
>>"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
>>hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
>>take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."
>>
>>* Trotsky is cruel :
>>"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
>>revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
>>please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
>>speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
>>over and over again."
>
>
> So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
> "humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
> now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".
>
> Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
> possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.
>
>
>>Who is dismissed Dave ?
>
>
> You are, of course.
>
>
>>I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
>>$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
>>After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.
>
>
> You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.
>
>
>>LOL !
>
>
> You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
> disguise.
>

You say that because you are angry.
You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.
What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".
ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
makes you look foolish."

[dave weil]

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One week ago Dave Weil told us :
>>>
>>>* I will tell you the true
>>>"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
>>>simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
>>>designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
>>>cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."
>>>
>>>* I haven't no scruple
>>>"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
>>>hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
>>>take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."
>>>
>>>* Trotsky is cruel :
>>>"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
>>>revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
>>>please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
>>>speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
>>>over and over again."
>>
>>
>> So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
>> "humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
>> now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".
>>
>> Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
>> possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.
>>
>>
>>>Who is dismissed Dave ?
>>
>>
>> You are, of course.
>>
>>
>>>I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
>>>$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
>>>After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.
>>
>>
>> You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.
>>
>>
>>>LOL !
>>
>>
>> You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
>> disguise.
>>
>
>You say that because you are angry.

Why am *I* angry?

>You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.

Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?

>What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".

What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?
>ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
>makes you look foolish."

Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>
> Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.
>
> I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It
started
> with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

Back to back IKYABWAI. This is lame, even for you Dave.

ScottW

[Bob Morein]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
> >dave weil wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>One week ago Dave Weil told us :
> >>>
> >>>* I will tell you the true
> >>>"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
> >>>simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
> >>>designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
> >>>cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."
> >>>
> >>>* I haven't no scruple
> >>>"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
> >>>hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
> >>>take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."
> >>>
> >>>* Trotsky is cruel :
> >>>"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
> >>>revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
> >>>please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
> >>>speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
> >>>over and over again."
> >>
> >>
> >> So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
> >> "humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
> >> now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".
> >>
> >> Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
> >> possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.
> >>
This is the great mystery. What caught your tongue?
I'm not even considering the possibility that you were bribed.
It must be some misguided sense of social justice, but no one here has the
slightest idea what that "sense" might be?


> >>
> >>>Who is dismissed Dave ?
> >>
> >>
> >> You are, of course.
> >>
> >>
> >>>I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
> >>>$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
> >>>After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.
> >>
> >>
> >> You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>LOL !
> >>
> >>
> >> You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
> >> disguise.
> >>
> >
> >You say that because you are angry.
>
> Why am *I* angry?

Yes, why are *you* angry?
>
> >You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.
>
> Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
> have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?
>
Depends upon which dictionary. According to Webster's 1913 dictionary, a
person can be humiliated when his social standing is reduced:

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --M.
Arnold.



[i]
> >What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".
>
> What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?
> >ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
> >makes you look foolish."
>
> Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.
>
> I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
> with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

I think it's *you* who have mysterious, occult motives, that have, in this
instance, fermented distrust and unease.
You criticized those of us who made educated estimates as to the quality of
Trotsky's speakers, since *you* actually had them in hand. And now you are
the only recipient of that exclusive privilege, having brow-beaten the rest
of us, and you won't share your observations.

It's ****ty.

You've been quoted as promising an evaluation, and you abdicated your
responsibility.
Hence, you have been humiliated *in the eyes of others*, whether or not you
yourself feel humiliated.

My guess is that Trotsky made an emotional plea, and you responded. If
failing to deliver a review would have helped him, I could almost
understand. But there was an honorable way this could have been handled, as
in "Based on a partial evaluation by Dave Weil, Greg Singh has withdrawn the
speakers from review until such time as changes are made in the design."
This would have protected you, and it would have protected him, by making a
commitment to quality. But if your refusal to speak is so that Trotsky can
just sell'em as-is, he's got about 500 Google hits and about 3000 lurkers
who know all too well the unseemly ending of the Weil-Trotsky affair.

[Lionel]

dave weil wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>One week ago Dave Weil told us :
>>>>
>>>>* I will tell you the true
>>>>"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
>>>>simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
>>>>designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
>>>>cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."
>>>>
>>>>* I haven't no scruple
>>>>"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
>>>>hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
>>>>take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."
>>>>
>>>>* Trotsky is cruel :
>>>>"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
>>>>revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
>>>>please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
>>>>speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
>>>>over and over again."
>>>
>>>
>>>So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
>>>"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
>>>now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".
>>>
>>>Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
>>>possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Who is dismissed Dave ?
>>>
>>>
>>>You are, of course.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
>>>>$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
>>>>After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.
>>>
>>>
>>>You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>LOL !
>>>
>>>
>>>You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
>>>disguise.
>>>
>>
>>You say that because you are angry.
>
>
> Why am *I* angry?
>
>
>>You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.
>
>
> Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
> have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?
>
>
>>What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".
>
>
> What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?
>
>>ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
>>makes you look foolish."
>
>
> Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.
>
> I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
> with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

In other words you ask :
"What are you doing here isn't it ?"

Dave you are the guy who stand alone in a concert room a long time after
musician have left...
....In order to be sure that all the music, all the frequencies have
reach your ears.

LOL !

Dave since I was 8 years old I know that sound speed is a constant. I
use it to calculate the distance from my house to a rainstorm.
Dave, in a way Trotsky is right you are a "poseur"

You try to fart too high Dave, now your ass is taking the place of your
brain.

Lionel
"A vouloir pèter trop haut le cul prend la place du cerveau"

[Bob Morein]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> dave weil wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Lionel
> "A vouloir pèter trop haut le cul prend la place du cerveau"
>
Excellent, whatever the hell it means :).

[Arny Krueger]

"Lionel" > wrote in message

> dave weil wrote:

>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel >
>> wrote:

>>> dave weil wrote:

>>>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel >
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> One week ago Dave Weil told us :

>>>>> * I will tell you the truth

>>>>> "Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking
>>>>> it. I simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without
>>>>> bringing the designer's personality or methods into it. I've
>>>>> never particularly cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

Highly ironic, given the Google record which shows Weil bragging about
conspiring against me with Graham. Maybe not ironic at all, but just another
example of Weil's wildly inconsistent behavior.

>>>>> * I haven't no scruples

>>>>> "I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
>>>>> hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I
>>>>> don't take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

Exactly what scruples can we count on Weil having based on anything he's
ever said?

>>>>> * Trotsky is cruel :

>>>>> "Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be
>>>>> delightful revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times.
>>>>> Nothing would please me more than to say that his speakers are a
>>>>> pile of **** on a speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him
>>>>> *and* push his buttons over and over again."

Dave Weil's stated life's goals - pushing other people's buttons.

>>>> So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
>>>> "humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right
>>>> about now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

It appears that Weil has taken Singh's speakers down - in anticipation of
shipping them back to Singh. However, given the track record of both of
these liars, I still doubt that the speakers were ever shipped either way.
Anybody have a UPS tracking number as proof?

>>>> Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
>>>> possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.

Weil again tries to substitute name-calling for candor.

>>>>> Who is dismissed Dave ?

>>>> You are, of course.

After the name-calling, Weil tries to put on airs. As close as Weil has ever
come to putting on airs is what most of us call "Breaking Wind".

>>>>> I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
>>>>> $300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your
>>>>> dreams. After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash
>>>>> box.

Interesting question - could a technical incompetent like Weil do a better
job of designing and building speakers than a technical incompetent like
Singh. Definitely a battle of two well-documented mental midgets with
delusions of audio grandeur.

>>>> You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.

Well, this is RAO, is it not?

>>>>> LOL !

>>>> You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
>>>> disguise.

What Lionel and I share most is common is how easily and often we've
recently exposed Weil's dissembling, arrogance and ignorance.

>>> You say that because you are angry.

>> Why am *I* angry?

>>> You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.

>> Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
>> have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?

Weil knows, he's just in denial.

>>> What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".

>> What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?

>>> ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave.
>>> It makes you look foolish."

>> Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

Here Weil sets himself as being THE superior authority of all of RAO.

>> I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
>> with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

But that presumes that Weil would take responsibility for anything he's said
or done in the past.

> In other words you ask :
> "What are you doing here isn't it ?"

> Dave you are the guy who stand alone in a concert room a long time
> after musicians have left...

> ...In order to be sure that all the music, all the frequencies have
> reach your ears.

> LOL !

It's true that I ticketed Weil for agreeing that the speed of sound was
highly dependent on frequency which is of course simply not true.
Contemplate a person working at that subterranean level of ignorance trying
to provide a competent review of a high-end loudspeaker.

> Dave since I was 8 years old I know that sound speed is a constant. I
> use it to calculate the distance from my house to a rainstorm.
> Dave, in a way Trotsky is right you are a "poseur"

I've been proving that with facts and logic for years.

I'm waiting for Middius to figure this all out and start criticizing Weil.
The Google record shows that Middius was about 4 years behind me when it
came to seeing through Singh. he might be true to form if he finally "gets
it" about Weil.

[George M. Middius]

Bobo, I think it's time for you to take a rest. Maybe Bwian can get
you a discount on a tour Down Undah.

> > "A vouloir pèter trop haut le cul prend la place du cerveau"

> Excellent, whatever the hell it means :).

Lionella has her head up ass. Literally.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Bob Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Humiliated}; p.
> pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
> humiliare. See {Humble}.]
> To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
> eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.
>
> We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
> Arnold Krueger
>




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[dave weil]

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:45:32 -0700, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.
>>
>> I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It
>started
>> with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.
>
> Back to back IKYABWAI. This is lame, even for you Dave.

Not as lame as this.

I guess you're in the weil-bashing loop. Must make your life sooooo
much more innerestin'...

[dave weil]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:21:00 -0400, "Bob Morein" >
wrote:

>This is the great mystery. What caught your tongue?

It's no mystery. Go back and review the record. The answer is right
there for you to see.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:21:00 -0400, "Bob Morein" >
wrote:

>
>My guess is that Trotsky made an emotional plea, and you responded.

He did. In public. I wouldn't call it a plea, but there you go. I
responded. In public.

If you want to call my annoyance "anger", then so be it. If you want
to think I've been "humiliated", so be it.

I find it odd that the only people complaining (or care) about the
fact that I truncated the evaluation early are the very people who are
skeptical about me, Greg Singh, and his speakers. Why *is* that, I
wonder?

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said:

> I find it odd that the only people complaining (or care) about the
> fact that I truncated the evaluation early are the very people who are
> skeptical about me, Greg Singh, and his speakers. Why *is* that, I
> wonder?

They're bored because they have no car wrecks to watch?

[Arny Krueger]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bob Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Humiliated};
p.
> > pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
> > humiliare. See {Humble}.]
> > To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
> > eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

> > We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
> > Arnold Krueger

False attribution, no doubt due to posters single-minded obsession with
myself.

Correct attribution:

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=humiliate

[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
> ...
>
> >"Bob Morein" wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >> Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Humiliated};
>
> p.
>
> >>pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
> >>humiliare. See {Humble}.]
> >>To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
> >>eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.
>
>
> >> We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
> >> Arnold Krueger
>
>
> False attribution,



Is that better or worse than a flase calim?

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Bob Morein" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.
{Humiliated};
> p.
> > > pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
> > > humiliare. See {Humble}.]
> > > To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
> > > eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.
>
> > > We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
> > > Arnold Krueger
>
> False attribution, no doubt due to posters single-minded obsession with
> myself.
>
> Correct attribution:
>
> http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=humiliate
>
>

No one would have believed you had written it, anyway.
The sentence was too well constructed.




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[Michael Mckelvy]

"trotsky" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> > "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > >"Bob Morein" wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >> Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.
{Humiliated};
> >
> > p.
> >
> > >>pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
> > >>humiliare. See {Humble}.]
> > >>To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
> > >>eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.
> >
> >
> > >> We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
> > >> Arnold Krueger
> >
> >
> > False attribution,
>
>
>
> Is that better or worse than a flase calim?
>
Like claiming you design speakers?

[trotsky]

Michael Mckelvy wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>
>>Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.
>>>>
> {Humiliated};
>
>>>p.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
>>>>>humiliare. See {Humble}.]
>>>>>To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
>>>>>eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
>>>>> Arnold Krueger
>>>>
>>>
>>>False attribution,
>>
>>
>>
>>Is that better or worse than a flase calim?
>>
>
> Like claiming you design speakers?


I do design speakers. It's sad to see you resort to lying, Mickey.

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> Michael Mckelvy wrote:
>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>> nk.net...

>>> Arny Krueger wrote:

>>>> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
>>>> ...

>>>>> "Bob Morein" wrote in message
>>>>> ...

>>>>>> Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.
>>>>>
>> {Humiliated};
>>
>>>> p.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
>>>>>> humiliare. See {Humble}.]
>>>>>> To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
>>>>>> eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

>>>>>> We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
>>>>>> Arnold Krueger

>>>> False attribution,

>>> Is that better or worse than a flase calim?

Singh, please explain what a "flase calim" is. I presume you have
intentionally written these words as you wrote them, and they are not
something we should dismiss as a mere typo.

>> Like claiming you design speakers?

> I do design speakers.

Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers involves. At
his point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers and a crossover
and box/port configuration that someone else designed out for you.

>It's sad to see you resort to lying, Mickey.

The word "lie" presumes knowledge that contradicts what was said. Yet, what
Mckelvy wrote is common knowledge around here. Where is the contradiction?

[dave weil]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>At
>his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:

>
> Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers involves.


You first, Kruegs. You might want to think about your answer very
carefully.

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>>
>> Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers
>> involves.
>
>
> You first, Kruegs.

Been there done that. If you need google references to refresh your memory
Singh, just post your mea culpa for not paying attention.

>You might want to think about your answer very carefully.

Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing speakers.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> At > this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers

> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the last two
times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At > this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers
>
>> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>
>When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the last two
>times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.

OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> At > this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of
>>>> drivers
>>
>>> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html


>> When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the
>> last two times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.
>
> OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:54:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At > this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of
>>>>> drivers
>>>
>>>> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>
>http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html

Sorry Arnold, but there's no "prepackaged set" on that page.

Perhaps you could point out this claimed "set" on that page. In the
absence of your doing this, we'll just have to assume that:

You lose.

Again.

>>> When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the
>>> last two times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.
>>
>> OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.

Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
Silver Flute drivers.

[Joseph Oberlander]

dave weil wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>At
>>his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers
>
>
> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
specs to yours - for under $500. Does it sound better? Probably about
the same. You seem to think that how the tweeter looks or its type
of construction makes it automatically sound better. It does not.

Sure, you have to assemble it, and the cabinet could have a better finish,
but a few sheets of sandpaper and a little $5 can of MinWax varnish will
fix that. As long as there is any sort of veneer, it can be stained and
varnished to very good results.

http://www.madisound.com/cygnet2.html
It has better, more expensive drivers than yours uses, and a simmilar
cabinet volume. The crossover is nearly identical to yours as well.
A little sanding and varnish and you are done.

http://www.madisound.com/AR.COM.html
People will notice that the guts of this kit looks suspiciously close
to Greg's design other than the tweeter(which at this price-point is
cosmetic as good planar drivers start at about $100)

http://www.madisound.com/froymk3.html
Trotsky's competition. This is hand-down a better speaker. It's the
flattest, most accurate tweeter Seas makes mated with two of their best
woofers. Note the several hundred hours spent tuning the bass by
Murray Zeligman. Oh - those are expensive caps as well - not junk.
$1160 with cabinets. It looks like a competant design, overall.

They also sell the Thor, which is a bit better, but I'd get the
standard crossover and upgrade it to the "premium" one myself and
save some money.(mostly swapping components - the board is virutally
identical)

http://www.madisound.com/vifastudio.html
Another competitor - if you like Vifa better. $505.

As for me? Probably make something like the Cygnet but use a
Morel tweeter instead. Seas seems to make excellent woofers,
and Morel excellent tweeters. - definately good enough for
a pair of computer speakers. Well, MY idea of "computer speakers" :)

[George M. Middius]

Obie Wanna Alarm Clock said:

> > Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

> Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
> specs to yours - for under $500.

In case you haven't been paying attention, the speakers aren't dave's.
They were on loan from Gregipus the Insane. And they've now been
Fedexed back to the Curry Pile in Chicago.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:00:58 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>At
>>>his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers
>>
>>
>> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>
>Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
>specs to yours - for under $500.

Than mine? I didn't know I had a two-way kit.

>Does it sound better? Probably about
>the same. You seem to think that how the tweeter looks or its type
>of construction makes it automatically sound better. It does not.
>
>Sure, you have to assemble it, and the cabinet could have a better finish,
>but a few sheets of sandpaper and a little $5 can of MinWax varnish will
>fix that. As long as there is any sort of veneer, it can be stained and
>varnished to very good results.
>
>http://www.madisound.com/cygnet2.html
>It has better, more expensive drivers than yours uses, and a simmilar
>cabinet volume. The crossover is nearly identical to yours as well.
>A little sanding and varnish and you are done.
>
>http://www.madisound.com/AR.COM.html
>People will notice that the guts of this kit looks suspiciously close
>to Greg's design other than the tweeter(which at this price-point is
>cosmetic as good planar drivers start at about $100)
>
>http://www.madisound.com/froymk3.html
>Trotsky's competition. This is hand-down a better speaker. It's the
>flattest, most accurate tweeter Seas makes mated with two of their best
>woofers. Note the several hundred hours spent tuning the bass by
>Murray Zeligman. Oh - those are expensive caps as well - not junk.
>$1160 with cabinets. It looks like a competant design, overall.
>
>They also sell the Thor, which is a bit better, but I'd get the
>standard crossover and upgrade it to the "premium" one myself and
>save some money.(mostly swapping components - the board is virutally
>identical)
>
>http://www.madisound.com/vifastudio.html
>Another competitor - if you like Vifa better. $505.
>
>As for me? Probably make something like the Cygnet but use a
>Morel tweeter instead. Seas seems to make excellent woofers,
>and Morel excellent tweeters. - definately good enough for
>a pair of computer speakers. Well, MY idea of "computer speakers" :)

You seem a bit confused. First of all, you don't seem to know whom
you're addressing. Second, absolutely NONE of this has to di with
Arnold's false claim.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:10:50 -0500, dave weil >
wrote:

>Second, absolutely NONE of this has to di with
>Arnold's false claim.

....he said with a Scottish brogue...

[Joseph Oberlander]

Arny Krueger wrote:


>>>>Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>
>
> http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html

He's using the YAG-20? That's a rough response graph to design around.

Me? I'd spend $53.50 more and use this(if I *had* to use a ribbon)
http://www.madisound.com/jp-3.html

That's a better set of graphs.
95db efficiency is quite good, though the dip at 6khz is odd.
Still, a better driver than the silverflute. Since both are made
in China, there's no problem. I figure if Greg doesn't care,
and 90% of consumers don't either...

Me? I don't like ribbons. I can show you graphs that are amazingly
flat for soft dome tweeters. Here's one I'm thinking of using:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/277-045s.pdf - Much better, for
not a lot more money. $49 for the unshielded, $55 for shielded.

Replacements for Greg's tweeter:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/297-409.pdf
A good chinese made driver that has that "different" look.
Actually, not too bad specs for the price.

Another option:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/277-303.pdf
Not a bad performer for the price. Still, I'd go with the
Morel or the Seas.

[Joseph Oberlander]

dave weil wrote:

>
> Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
> there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
> page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
> offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
> Silver Flute drivers.

Have you LOOKED at the specs for that crummy driver? Why Greg doesn't
get a better tweeter leaves me scratching my head. $20 per driver
more for twice the quality (Vifa, Morel, Seas, Focal, etc) wouldn't
hurt is bottom-line at all.

Maybe there's a reason people aren't using the Silverflute in their
designs.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:42:17 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>>
>> Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
>> there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
>> page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
>> offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
>> Silver Flute drivers.
>
>Have you LOOKED at the specs for that crummy driver?

Nah, I've done better. I've actually HEARD it.

> Why Greg doesn't get a better tweeter leaves me scratching my head. $20 per driver
>more for twice the quality (Vifa, Morel, Seas, Focal, etc) wouldn't
>hurt is bottom-line at all.
>
>Maybe there's a reason people aren't using the Silverflute in their
>designs.

Well, it's not because it doesn't sound good.

[Bruce J. Richman]

George M. Middius wrote:


>Obie Wanna Alarm Clock said:
>
>> > Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>
>> Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
>> specs to yours - for under $500.
>
>In case you haven't been paying attention, the speakers aren't dave's.
>They were on loan from Gregipus the Insane. And they've now been
>Fedexed back to the Curry Pile in Chicago.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Although if the deliverymen discover that they are addressed to one of the
MidWest's less known Insinghasylums, they may be detoured to the nearest
demolition dump. Usually, poisonous material isn't given to those with
self-destructive and irrational tendences like him. Maybe he could take up
fingerpainting instead as part of his vocational rehabilitation program.



Bruce J. Richman

[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>
>
>>Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers
>>>involves.
>>
>>
>>You first, Kruegs.
>
>
> Been there done that. If you need google references to refresh your memory
> Singh, just post your mea culpa for not paying attention.


Kruegs, (a) who gives a rat's anus if he pays attention to you, and (b)
I don't believe you've ever made a cogent statement about this topic in
your life.



>>You might want to think about your answer very carefully.
>
>
> Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing speakers.


It's all on the website, Arny. You haven't been paying attention. ;-(

[trotsky]

dave weil wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:54:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>At > this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of
>>>>>>drivers
>>>>>
>>>>>Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>>>>
>>http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html
>
>
> Sorry Arnold, but there's no "prepackaged set" on that page.
>
> Perhaps you could point out this claimed "set" on that page. In the
> absence of your doing this, we'll just have to assume that:
>
> You lose.
>
> Again.
>
>
>>>>When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the
>>>>last two times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.
>>>
>>>OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.
>>
>
> Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
> there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
> page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
> offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
> Silver Flute drivers.


You might want to make sure "the Devil" understands this too, assuming
you're interested in fairness.

[trotsky]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> dave weil wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> At
>>> his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers
>>
>>
>>
>> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>
>
> Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
> specs to yours - for under $500. Does it sound better? Probably about
> the same. You seem to think that how the tweeter looks or its type
> of construction makes it automatically sound better. It does not.
>
> Sure, you have to assemble it, and the cabinet could have a better finish,
> but a few sheets of sandpaper and a little $5 can of MinWax varnish will
> fix that. As long as there is any sort of veneer, it can be stained and
> varnished to very good results.
>
> http://www.madisound.com/cygnet2.html
> It has better, more expensive drivers than yours uses,


dave, are you making speakers now?

[trotsky]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>
>>>>> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html
>
>
> He's using the YAG-20? That's a rough response graph to design around.
>
> Me? I'd spend $53.50 more and use this(if I *had* to use a ribbon)
> http://www.madisound.com/jp-3.html


Kewl people don't use aluminum diaphragms. If you're married, though,
there might be an exception there. Are you sponge worthy?

[trotsky]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> George M. Middius wrote:
>
>
>
>>Obie Wanna Alarm Clock said:
>>
>>
>>>>Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>>>
>>>Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
>>>specs to yours - for under $500.
>>
>>In case you haven't been paying attention, the speakers aren't dave's.
>>They were on loan from Gregipus the Insane. And they've now been
>>Fedexed back to the Curry Pile in Chicago.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Although if the deliverymen discover that they are addressed to one of the
> MidWest's less known Insinghasylums, they may be detoured to the nearest
> demolition dump. Usually, poisonous material isn't given to those with
> self-destructive and irrational tendences like him. Maybe he could take up
> fingerpainting instead as part of his vocational rehabilitation program.



That's basically the caliber of post you deserve, George.

[George M. Middius]

trotsky said:

> That's basically the caliber of post you deserve, George.

Did you get fired because you screamed "****ing faggots!" at work when
somebody sent you flowers?

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message


> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:42:17 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> > wrote:

>> dave weil wrote:

>>> Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
>>> there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on
>>> any page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though
>>> they *do* offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits.
>>> But not with Silver Flute drivers.

>> Have you LOOKED at the specs for that crummy driver?

> Nah, I've done better. I've actually HEARD it.

Kinda-sorta. You heard how it sounds in a certain system design, in a
certain room, with certain recordings, etc. In short if this speaker
driver's performance is like a 8-billion sided figure, you can definitely
say that you heard one of the approximately 8 billion sides. Nothing more.
Maybe less. Note, I'm not picking on just you personally here Weil - this is
true for each and every one of us.

If we had a *complete* set of technical specs for this driver, each of those
8 billion *sides* would be knowable. Perhaps more to the point, we can pick
the circumstances under which we judge the driver. Once you have an analysis
going, its easier to try different permutatations with the analysis than
with listening tests and/or measurements.

Why I laugh when people say that they *heard* a certain component! They
heard one of the many permutations of how it performs. They know an
infinitesimal fraction of the relevant information about how it sounds.
Invariably their long-term use would include others of those 8 billion
sides. But when they *heard* the component, they just experienced a tiny
portion of what the component actually does.

So you say, you heard the speaker in the same room that you would use it in.
That's fine for the guy who listens in that room, but what about the rest of
us? If a product is really colored then its imperfections will be more
likely to be audible in a higher
proportion of all rooms. But if it's pretty clean, the impact of each room
on its performance is more likely to be a randomizing factor.

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:

>> Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing
>> speakers.

> It's all on the website, Arny. You haven't been paying attention. ;-(

No, I've been paying attention to your web site. Its just that what's on
your web site is so vacuous that I'm asking myself "Is that all there is?"
Others have noticed the same problem.

[Lionel]

trotsky wrote:
>
>
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers
>>>> involves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You first, Kruegs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Been there done that. If you need google references to refresh your
>> memory
>> Singh, just post your mea culpa for not paying attention.
>
>
>
> Kruegs, (a) who gives a rat's anus if he pays attention to you, and (b)
> I don't believe you've ever made a cogent statement about this topic in
> your life.
>
>
>
>>> You might want to think about your answer very carefully.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing speakers.
>
>
>
> It's all on the website, Arny. You haven't been paying attention. ;-(
>
>
Is it really *ALL* on the web site ?
This explains that...

[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>
>
>>Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>
>>>Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing
>>>speakers.
>>
>
>>It's all on the website, Arny. You haven't been paying attention. ;-(
>
>
> No, I've been paying attention to your web site. Its just that what's on
> your web site is so vacuous that I'm asking myself "Is that all there is?"
> Others have noticed the same problem.


Which others?

[Lionel]

trotsky wrote:
>
>
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing
>>>> speakers.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> It's all on the website, Arny. You haven't been paying attention. ;-(
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I've been paying attention to your web site. Its just that what's on
>> your web site is so vacuous that I'm asking myself "Is that all there
>> is?"
>> Others have noticed the same problem.
>
>
>
> Which others?
>
>
The sockpuppets ! :-)

[George M. Middius]

Disgusting Hairy Snotborg snotted:

> > Nah, I've done better. I've actually HEARD it.
>
> Kinda-sorta. You heard how it sounds in a certain system design

> If we had a *complete* set of technical specs for this driver, each of those
> 8 billion *sides* would be knowable.

I've figured out what you mean when you surround a word with
asterisks. Anybody who has heard The Recording can recognize it: Your
whiny voice jumps up an octave, the whininess intensifies, and the
constipated grunting punctuates pauses. The asterisks represent the
grunting. Example: "Get the ****ing *garbage* off my ****ing *lawn!*"

> Why I laugh when people say that they *heard* a certain component! They
> heard one of the many permutations of how it performs.

Why you laugh is why you bes a socially inept, paranoid jagoff.

> So you say, you heard the speaker in the same room that you would use it in.

It may come as a shock for you to realize that Normal humans do *not*
aspire to become robots or cyborgs. We are perfectly content to speak
from our humanistic viewpoint, knowing that other humans share a
framework in which to place our ideas and relate them to their own
lives. You being a barely aware mechanistic construct of the madman
Dr. Kroomacher prevents you from understanding how humans communicate
their experiences to one another. If you weren't so despicable, you
would be pathetic.

[Joseph Oberlander]

dave weil wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:00:58 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> > wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>At
>>>>his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers
>>>
>>>
>>>Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>>
>>Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
>>specs to yours - for under $500.
>
>
> Than mine? I didn't know I had a two-way kit.

I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:02:36 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:42:17 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>> > wrote:
>
>>> dave weil wrote:
>
>>>> Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
>>>> there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on
>>>> any page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though
>>>> they *do* offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits.
>>>> But not with Silver Flute drivers.
>
>>> Have you LOOKED at the specs for that crummy driver?
>
>> Nah, I've done better. I've actually HEARD it.
>
>Kinda-sorta. You heard how it sounds in a certain system design, in a
>certain room, with certain recordings, etc. In short if this speaker
>driver's performance is like a 8-billion sided figure, you can definitely
>say that you heard one of the approximately 8 billion sides. Nothing more.
>Maybe less. Note, I'm not picking on just you personally here Weil - this is
>true for each and every one of us.

This is quite true. However, simply reading specs is even further away
from even *one* of the 8 billion sides if listening hasn't taken
place.

>If we had a *complete* set of technical specs for this driver, each of those
>8 billion *sides* would be knowable. Perhaps more to the point, we can pick
>the circumstances under which we judge the driver. Once you have an analysis
>going, its easier to try different permutatations with the analysis than
>with listening tests and/or measurements.

And yet, those specs are still just as meaningless as what you are
claiming about actually listening since the specs are by definiton in
a completely different room than *anyone* but the tester is in (and at
least the tester can say that *they've* heard the speaker during
testing).

>Why I laugh when people say that they *heard* a certain component! They
>heard one of the many permutations of how it performs. They know an
>infinitesimal fraction of the relevant information about how it sounds.
>Invariably their long-term use would include others of those 8 billion
>sides. But when they *heard* the component, they just experienced a tiny
>portion of what the component actually does.

Which is the same thing when you read the specs of a speaker that you
haven't heard. You can't say how that speaker will sound in *your*
room simply from the specs. The best you can do is guess.

>So you say, you heard the speaker in the same room that you would use it in.
>That's fine for the guy who listens in that room, but what about the rest of
>us? If a product is really colored then its imperfections will be more
>likely to be audible in a higher
>proportion of all rooms. But if it's pretty clean, the impact of each room
>on its performance is more likely to be a randomizing factor.

As it is with specs. Specs are basically good for narrowing down
choices and comparing unheard speakers against each other. But that's
*still* not perfect because in a given room, a speaker which measures
worse on paper can very easily sound better than another "better
performing" speaker.

At some point, unless you're willing to personally test every speaker,
you are going to rely on the opinion of others to *help* you narrow
down your choices. Anyone who blindly listens to someone to exclusion
of personal listening and/or spec reading deserves what they get. As
does the person who relies on specs only without listening to a
speaker.

I never claimed that anyone should buy Greg's speakers based on my
evaluation (and the contrary is true as well in that they shouldn't
*not* buy his speakers based on what I write here).

[trotsky]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> dave weil wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:00:58 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At
>>>>> his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.
>>>
>>>
>>> Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
>>> specs to yours - for under $500.
>>
>>
>>
>> Than mine? I didn't know I had a two-way kit.
>
>
> I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.


No telling which way the arrow is pointing with you, Joe.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:58:56 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>You might want to make sure "the Devil" understands this too, assuming
>you're interested in fairness.

I already answered this.

I told you that I misspoke. I told you that I should not have used the
word 'kit' to describe the speaker package Madisound designed for you.

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:00:32 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:

>I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.

There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
Madisound to design the speakers.

--
td

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra > wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:00:32 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> > wrote:
>
> >I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.
>
> There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
> 'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
> Madisound to design the speakers.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. We'll just call him an "audio
negociant".

The same goes for a requirement that he spend months measuring and
tweaking, measuring and tweaking and otherwise beating his head against
the wall. Wouldn't you expect him to stop when it sounds good? The
speaker sound, that is, not the sound of his head hitting the wall.

On the other hand, I wonder why he thinks "lean" is a negative epithet.

Stephen

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:56:42 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>> There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>> 'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>> Madisound to design the speakers.
>
>Not that there's anything wrong with that. We'll just call him an "audio
>negociant".

Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.

>The same goes for a requirement that he spend months measuring and
>tweaking, measuring and tweaking and otherwise beating his head against
>the wall. Wouldn't you expect him to stop when it sounds good? The
>speaker sound, that is, not the sound of his head hitting the wall.

I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
engagement?

>On the other hand, I wonder why he thinks "lean" is a negative epithet.

It may well have something to do with him being a 300lb heap of curry
****.

--
td

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra > wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:56:42 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >> There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
> >> 'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
> >> Madisound to design the speakers.
> >
> >Not that there's anything wrong with that. We'll just call him an "audio
> >negociant".
>
> Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.

From small things, baby...

> >The same goes for a requirement that he spend months measuring and
> >tweaking, measuring and tweaking and otherwise beating his head against
> >the wall. Wouldn't you expect him to stop when it sounds good? The
> >speaker sound, that is, not the sound of his head hitting the wall.
>
> I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
> bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
> contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
> all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
> mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
> cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
> solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
> reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
> engagement?

It would take balls of brass and a steady hand not burn yourself,
assuming you do it before stuffing the port with flammable insulation
and burning up the speaker instead. Don't they have slip-on connectors
for that sort of thing? You could have them gold-plated. Why can't you
answer the question? Complete the lye.

> >On the other hand, I wonder why he thinks "lean" is a negative epithet.
>
> It may well have something to do with him being a 300lb heap of curry
> ****.

It's the new black.

Stephen

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:48:30 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>> Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.
>
>From small things, baby...

Effeminance noted. What is you're decorums like? I have some bad news
for you: I'm right.

>> I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
>> bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
>> contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
>> all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
>> mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
>> cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
>> solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
>> reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
>> engagement?
>
>It would take balls of brass and a steady hand not burn yourself,
>assuming you do it before stuffing the port with flammable insulation
>and burning up the speaker instead. Don't they have slip-on connectors
>for that sort of thing? You could have them gold-plated. Why can't you
>answer the question? Complete the lye.

I've already told you which way the arrow is pointing and given you
the right answers: lava the group immediately. I don't understand why
you anonymous assholes think you're have an effette opinion is valid.
You're not even in the game, McElronny, and if you can stand
tow-to-two with me on any subjext, bring it. Let's discuss your rules
of engagement, that's just the peaches, but don't come armed with a
rubber duckie to my levels of eatouts in English. No one can match me
on any subject: wit, Elngish skill, and cogent argument explanation
technique winning.

>> >On the other hand, I wonder why he thinks "lean" is a negative epithet.
>>
>> It may well have something to do with him being a 300lb heap of curry
>> ****.
>
>It's the new black.

I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.

--
td

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:58:56 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>You might want to make sure "the Devil" understands this too, assuming
>>you're interested in fairness.
>
>
> I already answered this.
>
> I told you that I misspoke. I told you that I should not have used the
> word 'kit' to describe the speaker package Madisound designed for you.



That's a lie too, Dev. I chose the drivers. I designed the cabinets.
You lied about the whole thing. I realize the word "liar" is thrown
around rather cavalierly on this group, but you do agree this is what
you were in this matter, right?

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:00:32 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.
>
>
> There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
> 'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
> Madisound to design the speakers.



Blatantly false.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:04:45 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>> 'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>> Madisound to design the speakers.

>Blatantly false.

http://tinyurl.com/qnhp

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:03:37 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>That's a lie too, Dev. I chose the drivers. I designed the cabinets.
>You lied about the whole thing. I realize the word "liar" is thrown
>around rather cavalierly on this group, but you do agree this is what
>you were in this matter, right?

http://tinyurl.com/qnhp

--
td

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:56:42 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>>>'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>>>Madisound to design the speakers.
>>
>>Not that there's anything wrong with that. We'll just call him an "audio
>>negociant".
>
>
> Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.
>
>
>>The same goes for a requirement that he spend months measuring and
>>tweaking, measuring and tweaking and otherwise beating his head against
>>the wall. Wouldn't you expect him to stop when it sounds good? The
>>speaker sound, that is, not the sound of his head hitting the wall.
>
>
> I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
> bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
> contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
> all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
> mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
> cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
> solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
> reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
> engagement?


This is the kind of thing I hold against you, McElroy. "Devil" is
begging to be bitch-slapped here, and you won't say a goddamned thing.

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:

> It's the new black.


My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
I'll bet you don't even have the balls to admit you are a troll.

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:

> I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
> Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.


See what I mean about stealing my intellectual property, George? When
did you become Krueger by the way?

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:25:45 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>
>
>MiNE 109 wrote:
>
>> It's the new black.
>
>
>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
>I'll bet you don't even have the balls to admit you are a troll.

Stephen has a pair of giant balls. I've seen them.

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:26:58 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>
>
>The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>
>> I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
>> Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
>
>
>See what I mean about stealing my intellectual property, George? When
>did you become Krueger by the way?

See which way the arrow is pointing now, George? Can you bring
yourself to admit this, please? How about it, dave? Are they black or
did you screw the pooch on this issue? What about Bruce, George? Would
you like to chime in on this issue, Dev? Maybe PD will clear it up for
you. I sure hope Stephen is keeping score here, what do you say
Mickey?

--
td

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:04:45 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>>There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>>>'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>>>Madisound to design the speakers.
>>
>
>>Blatantly false.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/qnhp


Like I said, blatantly false.

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:03:37 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>That's a lie too, Dev. I chose the drivers. I designed the cabinets.
>>You lied about the whole thing. I realize the word "liar" is thrown
>>around rather cavalierly on this group, but you do agree this is what
>>you were in this matter, right?
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/qnhp


Yep, alcohol's involved again. Does your wife know?

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:25:45 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's the new black.
>>
>>
>>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
>>I'll bet you don't even have the balls to admit you are a troll.
>
>
> Stephen has a pair of giant balls. I've seen them.


Was that one of the times when you cheated on your wife?

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:37:49 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>Yep, alcohol's involved again. Does your wife know?

Look over there! Cakes!

--
td

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:26:58 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
>>>Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
>>
>>
>>See what I mean about stealing my intellectual property, George? When
>>did you become Krueger by the way?
>
>
> See which way the arrow is pointing now, George? Can you bring
> yourself to admit this, please? How about it, dave? Are they black or
> did you screw the pooch on this issue? What about Bruce, George? Would
> you like to chime in on this issue, Dev? Maybe PD will clear it up for
> you. I sure hope Stephen is keeping score here, what do you say
> Mickey?


I mean really, Dev, I realize ugly scenes are probably your specialty,
but can you give us a little glimpse of the confrontation that occured
when the subject of your infidelity came up? I'll bet you wish you were
off designing speakers that day, eh buddy?

Just as an aside, do you realize I'm the only guy that consistently make
you the butt of jokes in this manner? That's gotta chaff your hide.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:36:46 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>>>>There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>>>>'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>>>>Madisound to design the speakers.
>>>
>>
>>>Blatantly false.
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/qnhp
>
>
>Like I said, blatantly false.

You have the sophistication of a large-titted stretchmark of a woman
spooning gnat pâté over her endless mounds of body.

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:42:21 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>I mean really, Dev, I realize ugly scenes are probably your specialty,
>but can you give us a little glimpse of the confrontation that occured
>when the subject of your infidelity came up? I'll bet you wish you were
>off designing speakers that day, eh buddy?

More random accusations! What was it like when you first had a good
rummage around in mama Singh's bra? Were you jealous because she had
bigger brown boobies than you do?

>Just as an aside, do you realize I'm the only guy that consistently make
>you the butt of jokes in this manner? That's gotta chaff your hide.

You're a mother****ing genius. You must keep your brains in those tits
of yours.

--
td

[George M. Middius]

Gregipus dances in the dark.

> > I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
> > Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.

> See what I mean about stealing my intellectual property, George?

Nope. What I see is some well-timed mockery from your most frequent
mocker. You've been mocked again.

I like the "intellectual property" business a little, though. Your
implication that random conversational snippets on Usenet have
intrinsic value is of a piece with your idea that your cheesy kit
speakers are worth upwards of a grand a pair.

> did you become Krueger by the way?

As dave noted, you have zero ability to laugh at yourself, so you
delude yourself into believing that people actually want to "debate
facts" with you. Krooger suffers from the same self-inflicted
delusion. Shall we recapitulate all the other documented
similarities you have with Krooger? ;-)

[Bruce J. Richman]

George M. Middius wrote:


>Gregipus dances in the dark.
>
>> > I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
>> > Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
>
>> See what I mean about stealing my intellectual property, George?
>
>Nope. What I see is some well-timed mockery from your most frequent
>mocker. You've been mocked again.
>

Agreed. He's such an easy target to hit. He reminds me of a Bozo inflatable
hot air bag with a weighted bottom. Every time it gets hit, it just bounces
back up with the same ****-eating grin on its ugly face..........
metaphorically speaking, of course.



>I like the "intellectual property" business a little, though. Your
>implication that random conversational snippets on Usenet have
>intrinsic value is of a piece with your idea that your cheesy kit
>speakers are worth upwards of a grand a pair.
>

Singh has never had any intellectual property available to be stolen. Only
McKelvy has tried because beggars can't be choosers. duh-Mikey is still
trying to figure out whether one of his speakers might match one of Singh's in
a test of diminishing returns. (Howie plans to contribute one of his
subwoofers to complete this wrecking ball configuration)..



>> did you become Krueger by the way?
>
>As dave noted, you have zero ability to laugh at yourself, so you
>delude yourself into believing that people actually want to "debate
>facts" with you. Krooger suffers from the same self-inflicted
>delusion. Shall we recapitulate all the other documented
>similarities you have with Krooger? ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Bruce J. Richman

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
>
> > It's the new black.
>
>
> My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.

Maybe you remember some of my discussions with Howard about what
constitutes a credible speaker company.

> I'll bet you don't even have the balls to admit you are a troll.

I wasn't until you responded...

Stephen

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:56:42 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
> >>>'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
> >>>Madisound to design the speakers.
> >>
> >>Not that there's anything wrong with that. We'll just call him an "audio
> >>negociant".
> >
> >
> > Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.
> >
> >
> >>The same goes for a requirement that he spend months measuring and
> >>tweaking, measuring and tweaking and otherwise beating his head against
> >>the wall. Wouldn't you expect him to stop when it sounds good? The
> >>speaker sound, that is, not the sound of his head hitting the wall.
> >
> >
> > I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
> > bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
> > contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
> > all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
> > mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
> > cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
> > solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
> > reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
> > engagement?
>
>
> This is the kind of thing I hold against you, McElroy. "Devil" is
> begging to be bitch-slapped here, and you won't say a goddamned thing.

It's more fun to encourage him. Besides, there's a real point in there
about how inexperienced assemblers can make their work more difficult
than it needs to be. Granted, it's your business how you put your
speakers together, but assembly skills are not inherently impressive.

Stephen

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:42:21 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>I mean really, Dev, I realize ugly scenes are probably your specialty,
>>but can you give us a little glimpse of the confrontation that occured
>>when the subject of your infidelity came up? I'll bet you wish you were
>>off designing speakers that day, eh buddy?
>
>
> More random accusations! What was it like when you first had a good
> rummage around in mama Singh's bra? Were you jealous because she had
> bigger brown boobies than you do?


Isn't that the queerest thing? Every time you feel compelled to be more
of an asshole you go straight to the incest references. You would think
after you'd apologized profusely for the dead Nate jokes you'd have a
change of heart, but pathology doesn't really work that way, does it.
Bruce, you'll back me on this one, right?


>>Just as an aside, do you realize I'm the only guy that consistently make
>>you the butt of jokes in this manner? That's gotta chaff your hide.
>
>
> You're a mother****ing genius. You must keep your brains in those tits
> of yours.


And yours in your mistresses. Hey, here's a line from the recent Denzel
Washington movie, "Out of Time": "Give my best to your wife...if you can."

[trotsky]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Gregipus dances in the dark.
>
>
>>>I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
>>>Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
>>
>
>
>>See what I mean about stealing my intellectual property, George?
>
>
> Nope.


Brain cramps must be in style this year.

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra > wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:48:30 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >> Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.
> >
> >From small things, baby...
>
> Effeminance noted. What is you're decorums like? I have some bad news
> for you: I'm right.

My decorums are poplar and noone's made them more lacquered than me.
Tell me, don't you know what I'm talking about?

> >> I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
> >> bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
> >> contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
> >> all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
> >> mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
> >> cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
> >> solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
> >> reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
> >> engagement?
> >
> >It would take balls of brass and a steady hand not burn yourself,
> >assuming you do it before stuffing the port with flammable insulation
> >and burning up the speaker instead. Don't they have slip-on connectors
> >for that sort of thing? You could have them gold-plated. Why can't you
> >answer the question? Complete the lye.
>
> I've already told you which way the arrow is pointing and given you
> the right answers: lava the group immediately. I don't understand why
> you anonymous assholes think you're have an effette opinion is valid.
> You're not even in the game, McElronny, and if you can stand
> tow-to-two with me on any subjext, bring it. Let's discuss your rules
> of engagement, that's just the peaches, but don't come armed with a
> rubber duckie to my levels of eatouts in English. No one can match me
> on any subject: wit, Elngish skill, and cogent argument explanation
> technique winning.

In a standard measurement of academic prowess, you could inflate you're
score 20% and still not have the rollers to even think of taking me on.
You've got a lot of nerve, Mr. Jones. I want to take you to a gay bar.

> >> >On the other hand, I wonder why he thinks "lean" is a negative epithet.
> >>
> >> It may well have something to do with him being a 300lb heap of curry
> >> ****.
> >
> >It's the new black.
>
> I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
> Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.

Hey sport. You connect the dots. You pick up the pieces.

Stephen

[George M. Middius]

Gregipus rallies to his own demise.

> Every time you feel compelled to be more of an asshole

You're right, it's futile. Nobody will ever be more of an asshole
than you are. Except for your role model, of course.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:36:35 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> More random accusations! What was it like when you first had a good
>> rummage around in mama Singh's bra? Were you jealous because she had
>> bigger brown boobies than you do?

>Isn't that the queerest thing? Every time you feel compelled to be more
>of an asshole you go straight to the incest references. You would think
>after you'd apologized profusely for the dead Nate jokes you'd have a
>change of heart, but pathology doesn't really work that way, does it.
>Bruce, you'll back me on this one, right?

I think it's hilarious the way you always whine about this. You were
first to resort to family slurs during our little 'audio discussion'.
Perhaps you'd explain why it's OK to accuse someone of infidelity but
horrendous to accuse someone of incest.

You can dish it out but you can't take it. I've already given you the
right answers: Shut the **** up whining, brat. **** yourself with a
chain saw. Etc. I can't make this any clearer for you. So'rry.

>> You're a mother****ing genius. You must keep your brains in those tits
>> of yours.

>And yours in your mistresses. Hey, here's a line from the recent Denzel
>Washington movie, "Out of Time": "Give my best to your wife...if you can."

Psycho: 'Mother, oh mother, mother, mother.'

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:37:49 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>Brain cramps must be in style this year.

Christ! The power of your wit! 100 years of Usenet!

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:43:44 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>> >> Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.
>> >
>> >From small things, baby...
>>
>> Effeminance noted. What is you're decorums like? I have some bad news
>> for you: I'm right.
>
>My decorums are poplar and noone's made them more lacquered than me.
>Tell me, don't you know what I'm talking about?

Please explain the Trump Tower. I feel my verbiage has been crystal
clear on this matter. It's not my fault if you don't possess the
necessary testicles to talk about my wadding properly. So'rry.

>> >> I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
>> >> bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
>> >> contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
>> >> all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
>> >> mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
>> >> cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
>> >> solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
>> >> reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
>> >> engagement?
>> >
>> >It would take balls of brass and a steady hand not burn yourself,
>> >assuming you do it before stuffing the port with flammable insulation
>> >and burning up the speaker instead. Don't they have slip-on connectors
>> >for that sort of thing? You could have them gold-plated. Why can't you
>> >answer the question? Complete the lye.
>>
>> I've already told you which way the arrow is pointing and given you
>> the right answers: lava the group immediately. I don't understand why
>> you anonymous assholes think you're have an effette opinion is valid.
>> You're not even in the game, McElronny, and if you can stand
>> tow-to-two with me on any subjext, bring it. Let's discuss your rules
>> of engagement, that's just the peaches, but don't come armed with a
>> rubber duckie to my levels of eatouts in English. No one can match me
>> on any subject: wit, Elngish skill, and cogent argument explanation
>> technique winning.
>
>In a standard measurement of academic prowess, you could inflate you're
>score 20% and still not have the rollers to even think of taking me on.
>You've got a lot of nerve, Mr. Jones. I want to take you to a gay bar.

Zzzzzz.

Do you think that a guy whom my physical stature wouldn't flatten you
like a pancake as soon as I jumped, on you? You wouldn't last three
seconds if we were to dust it up and you don't have the balls to admit
this, please. I'm right as always. I've given you all the right
answers. Lard slices with multiple mushrooms. If you're blackening,
let my speakers talk for themselves. I honestly think you're behaviour
has been despicable in this matter. Your didn't even mentioned the
excellent finish of my speakers and you say I'm a dumb mother****er
and can't hear my way out of a wet paper bag, ain't it cool? Your
vagueness on this has been disgusting. So'rry.

>> >> >On the other hand, I wonder why he thinks "lean" is a negative epithet.
>> >>
>> >> It may well have something to do with him being a 300lb heap of curry
>> >> ****.
>> >
>> >It's the new black.
>>
>> I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
>> Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
>
>Hey sport. You connect the dots. You pick up the pieces.

Like I said, you just don't have the brainpower to comprehend the real
issues here. Do you or do you not able whom my speaker admit what I
have said?

--
td

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra > wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:43:44 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >> >> Sounds a bit more promising than 'total dickhead'.
> >> >
> >> >From small things, baby...
> >>
> >> Effeminance noted. What is you're decorums like? I have some bad news
> >> for you: I'm right.
> >
> >My decorums are poplar and noone's made them more lacquered than me.
> >Tell me, don't you know what I'm talking about?
>
> Please explain the Trump Tower. I feel my verbiage has been crystal
> clear on this matter. It's not my fault if you don't possess the
> necessary testicles to talk about my wadding properly. So'rry.

This qualifies you for the bitch swapping you sorely deserve from
someone else. Gonads let you down? Circle gets the square.

> >> >> I had to laugh at dave's comment about the stuffing coming out of the
> >> >> bass port. The only bit of the speaker where Greg puts in a
> >> >> contribution, and he ****s it up. I bet it took him all night to feed
> >> >> all that stuffing in through the bass port, actually. And the
> >> >> mother****ing keyhole surgery job he did through the speaker terminal
> >> >> cut-out: Have you got the balls to admit it's sonically superior to
> >> >> solder the mother****ing driver wires that way? Can we have a point of
> >> >> reference, please, or would you like to redefine the rules of
> >> >> engagement?
> >> >
> >> >It would take balls of brass and a steady hand not burn yourself,
> >> >assuming you do it before stuffing the port with flammable insulation
> >> >and burning up the speaker instead. Don't they have slip-on connectors
> >> >for that sort of thing? You could have them gold-plated. Why can't you
> >> >answer the question? Complete the lye.
> >>
> >> I've already told you which way the arrow is pointing and given you
> >> the right answers: lava the group immediately. I don't understand why
> >> you anonymous assholes think you're have an effette opinion is valid.
> >> You're not even in the game, McElronny, and if you can stand
> >> tow-to-two with me on any subjext, bring it. Let's discuss your rules
> >> of engagement, that's just the peaches, but don't come armed with a
> >> rubber duckie to my levels of eatouts in English. No one can match me
> >> on any subject: wit, Elngish skill, and cogent argument explanation
> >> technique winning.
> >
> >In a standard measurement of academic prowess, you could inflate you're
> >score 20% and still not have the rollers to even think of taking me on.
> >You've got a lot of nerve, Mr. Jones. I want to take you to a gay bar.
>
> Zzzzzz.

Yahtzee!

> Do you think that a guy whom my physical stature wouldn't flatten you
> like a pancake as soon as I jumped, on you? You wouldn't last three
> seconds if we were to dust it up and you don't have the balls to admit
> this, please. I'm right as always. I've given you all the right
> answers. Lard slices with multiple mushrooms. If you're blackening,
> let my speakers talk for themselves. I honestly think you're behaviour
> has been despicable in this matter. Your didn't even mentioned the
> excellent finish of my speakers and you say I'm a dumb mother****er
> and can't hear my way out of a wet paper bag, ain't it cool? Your
> vagueness on this has been disgusting. So'rry.

Talk to the horse's mouth. Everyone walks the walk, but when I do it
everyone's up the chute like beach lobsters on Jayne Mansfield.

> >> >> >On the other hand, I wonder why he thinks "lean" is a negative epithet.
> >> >>
> >> >> It may well have something to do with him being a 300lb heap of curry
> >> >> ****.
> >> >
> >> >It's the new black.
> >>
> >> I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
> >> Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
> >
> >Hey sport. You connect the dots. You pick up the pieces.
>
> Like I said, you just don't have the brainpower to comprehend the real
> issues here. Do you or do you not able whom my speaker admit what I
> have said?

I couldn't be clear.

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's the new black.
>>
>>
>>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
>
>
> Maybe you remember some of my discussions with Howard about what
> constitutes a credible speaker company.


Uh, no, that sounds like it would be about as much fun as a holiday in
Cambodia.

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> It's the new black.
> >>
> >>
> >>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
> >
> >
> > Maybe you remember some of my discussions with Howard about what
> > constitutes a credible speaker company.
>
>
> Uh, no, that sounds like it would be about as much fun as a holiday in
> Cambodia.

So you've been to Cambodia? I'm impressed! How about Biafra? How's the
moon over Marin? Are you looking forward to death? Did you punch the
clock, too scared to punch the boss?

I argued that manufacturers that ass'mbled OEM parts weren't necessarily
scammers. He opined they were "box stuffers".

Stephen

Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot...

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>

>>
>>
>>This is the kind of thing I hold against you, McElroy. "Devil" is
>>begging to be bitch-slapped here, and you won't say a goddamned thing.
>
>
> It's more fun to encourage him. Besides, there's a real point in there
> about how inexperienced assemblers can make their work more difficult
> than it needs to be. Granted, it's your business how you put your
> speakers together, but assembly skills are not inherently impressive.


Assembly skills in general don't impress you, or did you miss a word and
were actually talking about me? Your post doesn't make any sense.

[dave weil]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:04:08 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>In article >, trotsky >
>wrote:
>
>> MiNE 109 wrote:
>> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> It's the new black.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
>> >
>> >
>> > Maybe you remember some of my discussions with Howard about what
>> > constitutes a credible speaker company.
>>
>>
>> Uh, no, that sounds like it would be about as much fun as a holiday in
>> Cambodia.
>
>So you've been to Cambodia? I'm impressed! How about Biafra?

How about Spaulding Gray? Or Cpt. Spaulding for that matter.

....hello, I must be going...

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >
>
> >>
> >>
> >>This is the kind of thing I hold against you, McElroy. "Devil" is
> >>begging to be bitch-slapped here, and you won't say a goddamned thing.
> >
> >
> > It's more fun to encourage him. Besides, there's a real point in there
> > about how inexperienced assemblers can make their work more difficult
> > than it needs to be. Granted, it's your business how you put your
> > speakers together, but assembly skills are not inherently impressive.
>
>
> Assembly skills in general don't impress you, or did you miss a word and
> were actually talking about me? Your post doesn't make any sense.

Draw the inference. "Inexperienced assemblers," then, "how you put your
speakers together," followed by a general comment about assembly skills.

IOW, I'm not impressed just because you can put together a speaker, no
matter how hard you make it for yourself. On the other hand, putting
together a speaker and selling it doesn't make you a scammer.

Stephen

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:04:08 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, trotsky >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> MiNE 109 wrote:
> >> > In article >, trotsky >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> It's the new black.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you remember some of my discussions with Howard about what
> >> > constitutes a credible speaker company.
> >>
> >>
> >> Uh, no, that sounds like it would be about as much fun as a holiday in
> >> Cambodia.
> >
> >So you've been to Cambodia? I'm impressed! How about Biafra?
>
> How about Spaulding Gray? Or Cpt. Spaulding for that matter.
>
> ...hello, I must be going...

Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!

Stephen

[trotsky]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Gregipus rallies to his own demise.


I guess the self awareness is only for your therapy sessions.

[George M. Middius]

The self-devouring weasel of chicagoland whined:

> > Gregipus rallies to his own demise.

> I guess the self awareness is only for your therapy sessions.

You first. Why are you such a prick? Why do you accuse everybody of
lying when all they've really done is disagree with you? Why are you
seemingly incapable of maintaining a simple conversational thread?
Do you ever have thoughts that disturb you? Do you wonder if you've
lost your marbles?

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message


> The self-devouring weasel of chicagoland whined:
>
>>> Gregipus rallies to his own demise.
>
>> I guess the self awareness is only for your therapy sessions.
>
> You first. Why are you such a prick? Why do you accuse everybody of
> lying when all they've really done is disagree with you? Why are you
> seemingly incapable of maintaining a simple conversational thread?
> Do you ever have thoughts that disturb you? Do you wonder if you've
> lost your marbles?

If irony killed...

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:00:32 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.
>>
>>
>> There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>> 'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>> Madisound to design the speakers.

> Blatantly false.

Singh, it's blatantly, true. Telling all this truth is going to permanently
disfigure the mouths of your tormenters.

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>
>>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's the new black.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe you remember some of my discussions with Howard about what
>>>constitutes a credible speaker company.
>>
>>
>>Uh, no, that sounds like it would be about as much fun as a holiday in
>>Cambodia.
>
>
> So you've been to Cambodia? I'm impressed! How about Biafra? How's the
> moon over Marin? Are you looking forward to death? Did you punch the
> clock, too scared to punch the boss?
>
> I argued that manufacturers that ass'mbled OEM parts weren't necessarily
> scammers. He opined they were "box stuffers".


More than half the speaker manufacturers use "OEM" parts. (I put OEM in
quotes because that usually implies B to B, as opposed to brand name
goods that are also sold for consumer use.) Hard to believe Howie had
another lame opinion on this one. Obviously he took those Allison
brochures as gospel. How did he rationalize Dunlavy?

[trotsky]

Langis wrote:
> The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra > wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:37:49 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yep, alcohol's involved again. Does your wife know?
>>
>>Look over there! Cakes!
>
>
> Well, that had the desired effect.
>
> LOL :-)


You've made your bed, PD...

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:
> In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>MiNE 109 wrote:
>>
>>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>This is the kind of thing I hold against you, McElroy. "Devil" is
>>>>begging to be bitch-slapped here, and you won't say a goddamned thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's more fun to encourage him. Besides, there's a real point in there
>>>about how inexperienced assemblers can make their work more difficult
>>>than it needs to be. Granted, it's your business how you put your
>>>speakers together, but assembly skills are not inherently impressive.
>>
>>
>>Assembly skills in general don't impress you, or did you miss a word and
>>were actually talking about me? Your post doesn't make any sense.
>
>
> Draw the inference. "Inexperienced assemblers," then, "how you put your
> speakers together," followed by a general comment about assembly skills.


Yeah, except that makes no sense. There's been no talk of how I put the
speakers together vis a vis the assembly (read: manufacturing) process.


> IOW, I'm not impressed just because you can put together a speaker, no
> matter how hard you make it for yourself. On the other hand, putting
> together a speaker and selling it doesn't make you a scammer.


I'm sure you're making sense in your own mind, McElroy. Audiophiles are
really impressed by one thing: sound quality. What does that make you?

[trotsky]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> The self-devouring weasel of chicagoland whined:


George, all I did was serve up the culmination of my years in the audio
industry on a silver platter. Keep trying to claim it takes one to
tango, you dimwitted son of a bitch.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:08:21 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>>>>Yep, alcohol's involved again. Does your wife know?
>>>
>>>Look over there! Cakes!
>>
>>
>> Well, that had the desired effect.
>>
>> LOL :-)
>
>
>You've made your bed, PD...

I bet he's switched on his kettle too.

Agree or disagree.

--
td

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:52:00 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>> Please explain the Trump Tower. I feel my verbiage has been crystal
>> clear on this matter. It's not my fault if you don't possess the
>> necessary testicles to talk about my wadding properly. So'rry.
>
>This qualifies you for the bitch swapping you sorely deserve from
>someone else. Gonads let you down? Circle gets the square.

This is getting tiresome, McElron,ron,ron,-a-,do,ron-ron. Why am I the
only one here whom with cool musical references, you lame *******s?

>> >In a standard measurement of academic prowess, you could inflate you're
>> >score 20% and still not have the rollers to even think of taking me on.
>> >You've got a lot of nerve, Mr. Jones. I want to take you to a gay bar.
>>
>> Zzzzzz.
>
>Yahtzee!

Is that what you say at the bingo hall? Disgu'sting.

>> Do you think that a guy whom my physical stature wouldn't flatten you
>> like a pancake as soon as I jumped, on you? You wouldn't last three
>> seconds if we were to dust it up and you don't have the balls to admit
>> this, please. I'm right as always. I've given you all the right
>> answers. Lard slices with multiple mushrooms. If you're blackening,
>> let my speakers talk for themselves. I honestly think you're behaviour
>> has been despicable in this matter. Your didn't even mentioned the
>> excellent finish of my speakers and you say I'm a dumb mother****er
>> and can't hear my way out of a wet paper bag, ain't it cool? Your
>> vagueness on this has been disgusting. So'rry.
>
>Talk to the horse's mouth. Everyone walks the walk, but when I do it
>everyone's up the chute like beach lobsters on Jayne Mansfield.

The Fat Spy or The Wayward Bus? I'm getting tired of wringing
something of consequence out of you're hippocratic wishy-washiness. I
was right on every point, as usual, and you don't even have the
mother****ing balls to admit this, please.

>> >> I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
>> >> Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
>> >
>> >Hey sport. You connect the dots. You pick up the pieces.
>>
>> Like I said, you just don't have the brainpower to comprehend the real
>> issues here. Do you or do you not able whom my speaker admit what I
>> have said?
>
>I couldn't be clear.

Stick a fork in your piano, this songs o'ver.

--
td

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the kind of thing I hold against you, McElroy. "Devil" is
> >>>>begging to be bitch-slapped here, and you won't say a goddamned thing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>It's more fun to encourage him. Besides, there's a real point in there
> >>>about how inexperienced assemblers can make their work more difficult
> >>>than it needs to be. Granted, it's your business how you put your
> >>>speakers together, but assembly skills are not inherently impressive.
> >>
> >>
> >>Assembly skills in general don't impress you, or did you miss a word and
> >>were actually talking about me? Your post doesn't make any sense.
> >
> >
> > Draw the inference. "Inexperienced assemblers," then, "how you put your
> > speakers together," followed by a general comment about assembly skills.
>
>
> Yeah, except that makes no sense. There's been no talk of how I put the
> speakers together vis a vis the assembly (read: manufacturing) process.

"Keyhole surgery". Maybe we made it up, but we were talking of it.

> > IOW, I'm not impressed just because you can put together a speaker, no
> > matter how hard you make it for yourself. On the other hand, putting
> > together a speaker and selling it doesn't make you a scammer.
>
>
> I'm sure you're making sense in your own mind, McElroy. Audiophiles are
> really impressed by one thing: sound quality. What does that make you?

Likewise, you think you're making sense. What does 'what I'm not
impressed by' have to do with 'the one thing audiophiles are really
impressed by"?

Stephen

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
> > In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article >, trotsky > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>MiNE 109 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>It's the new black.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>My mistake, you were never interested in the facts in the first place.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Maybe you remember some of my discussions with Howard about what
> >>>constitutes a credible speaker company.
> >>
> >>
> >>Uh, no, that sounds like it would be about as much fun as a holiday in
> >>Cambodia.
> >
> >
> > So you've been to Cambodia? I'm impressed! How about Biafra? How's the
> > moon over Marin? Are you looking forward to death? Did you punch the
> > clock, too scared to punch the boss?
> >
> > I argued that manufacturers that ass'mbled OEM parts weren't necessarily
> > scammers. He opined they were "box stuffers".
>
>
> More than half the speaker manufacturers use "OEM" parts. (I put OEM in
> quotes because that usually implies B to B, as opposed to brand name
> goods that are also sold for consumer use.) Hard to believe Howie had
> another lame opinion on this one. Obviously he took those Allison
> brochures as gospel. How did he rationalize Dunlavy?

Exactly. He gave up on Dunlavy's expensive wires in the end, too.

Stephen

[Lionel]

trotsky wrote:

>
> Yeah, except that makes no sense. There's been no talk of how I put the
> speakers together vis a vis the assembly (read: manufacturing) process.
>
>

In "manufacturing process" we can read "process".
I'm afraid that you don't know what you are speaking about, Mr.
Engineering ! (lol)

[dave weil]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:13:41 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> IOW, I'm not impressed just because you can put together a speaker, no
>> matter how hard you make it for yourself. On the other hand, putting
>> together a speaker and selling it doesn't make you a scammer.
>
>
>I'm sure you're making sense in your own mind, McElroy. Audiophiles are
> really impressed by one thing: sound quality. What does that make you?

I thought it was cabinets. Silly me.

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra > wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:52:00 GMT, MiNE 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >> Please explain the Trump Tower. I feel my verbiage has been crystal
> >> clear on this matter. It's not my fault if you don't possess the
> >> necessary testicles to talk about my wadding properly. So'rry.
> >
> >This qualifies you for the bitch swapping you sorely deserve from
> >someone else. Gonads let you down? Circle gets the square.
>
> This is getting tiresome, McElron,ron,ron,-a-,do,ron-ron. Why am I the
> only one here whom with cool musical references, you lame *******s?
>
> >> >In a standard measurement of academic prowess, you could inflate you're
> >> >score 20% and still not have the rollers to even think of taking me on.
> >> >You've got a lot of nerve, Mr. Jones. I want to take you to a gay bar.
> >>
> >> Zzzzzz.
> >
> >Yahtzee!
>
> Is that what you say at the bingo hall? Disgu'sting.

Boggle's the mind.

> >> Do you think that a guy whom my physical stature wouldn't flatten you
> >> like a pancake as soon as I jumped, on you? You wouldn't last three
> >> seconds if we were to dust it up and you don't have the balls to admit
> >> this, please. I'm right as always. I've given you all the right
> >> answers. Lard slices with multiple mushrooms. If you're blackening,
> >> let my speakers talk for themselves. I honestly think you're behaviour
> >> has been despicable in this matter. Your didn't even mentioned the
> >> excellent finish of my speakers and you say I'm a dumb mother****er
> >> and can't hear my way out of a wet paper bag, ain't it cool? Your
> >> vagueness on this has been disgusting. So'rry.
> >
> >Talk to the horse's mouth. Everyone walks the walk, but when I do it
> >everyone's up the chute like beach lobsters on Jayne Mansfield.
>
> The Fat Spy or The Wayward Bus? I'm getting tired of wringing
> something of consequence out of you're hippocratic wishy-washiness. I
> was right on every point, as usual, and you don't even have the
> mother****ing balls to admit this, please.

There's only one thing that could mean. How is that living up to the
bylaws of the Victorian Walking Federation?

> >> >> I'll let you know when I've finished eating this can of shoe polish.
> >> >> Stick a fork in yourself, you're done.
> >> >
> >> >Hey sport. You connect the dots. You pick up the pieces.
> >>
> >> Like I said, you just don't have the brainpower to comprehend the real
> >> issues here. Do you or do you not able whom my speaker admit what I
> >> have said?
> >
> >I couldn't be clear.
>
> Stick a fork in your piano, this songs o'ver.

Why can't you answer?

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:13:41 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>>> IOW, I'm not impressed just because you can put together a speaker,
>>> no matter how hard you make it for yourself. On the other hand,
>>> putting together a speaker and selling it doesn't make you a
>>> scammer.
>>
>>
>> I'm sure you're making sense in your own mind, McElroy. Audiophiles
>> are really impressed by one thing: sound quality. What does that
>> make you?
>
> I thought it was cabinets. Silly me.

Congratutaions Weil for once telling the truth about your tastes in audio.
As if all the obsessing over the finish options on Klipsch Cornwalls wasn't
a big enough hint!

[dave weil]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:14:02 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>> Stick a fork in your piano, this songs o'ver.
>
>Why can't you answer?
>
>Stephen

He's too busy tuning up.

[dave weil]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:14:39 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Congratutaions Weil

Krooglish striks agin. (sic)

I guess Arnold is feeling "arrogant" this morning. Either that, or
he's taken a screwdriver to his spell-checker again.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:14:39 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> Congratutaions Weil
>
> Krooglish striks agin. (sic)
>
> I guess Arnold is feeling "arrogant" this morning. Either that, or
> he's taken a screwdriver to his spell-checker again.

No, I just said to myself: "Can I troll Weil and save some time with just
one mouse click?"

LOL!

[dave weil]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:32:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:14:39 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratutaions Weil
>>
>> Krooglish striks agin. (sic)
>>
>> I guess Arnold is feeling "arrogant" this morning. Either that, or
>> he's taken a screwdriver to his spell-checker again.
>
>No, I just said to myself: "Can I troll Weil and save some time with just
>one mouse click?"
>
>LOL!

Yeah, that was it I'm sure.

[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>
>
>>The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:00:32 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.
>>>
>>>
>>>There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>>>'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>>>Madisound to design the speakers.
>>
>
>>Blatantly false.
>
>
> Singh, it's blatantly, true. Telling all this truth is going to permanently
> disfigure the mouths of your tormenters.


Krueger, why does a "good Christian" like yourself talk such trash?
Call Madisound and say "I'd like a pair of speakers designed, please."
See what they say. You promise you'll do this, right?

[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:08:21 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>>>>Yep, alcohol's involved again. Does your wife know?
>>>>
>>>>Look over there! Cakes!
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, that had the desired effect.
>>>
>>>LOL :-)
>>
>>
>>You've made your bed, PD...
>
>
> I bet he's switched on his kettle too.
>
> Agree or disagree.


You're still here? I can't remember, did you respond to the recent post
where I asked you directly about your marital infidelities?

[trotsky]

MiNE 109 wrote:

> Likewise, you think you're making sense. What does 'what I'm not
> impressed by' have to do with 'the one thing audiophiles are really
> impressed by"?


The only other alternative for your participation on rec.audio.opinion
is to troll. You pick.

[George M. Middius]

Gregipus gropes for .... something. Ick.

> You're still here? I can't remember, did you respond to the recent post
> where I asked you directly about your marital infidelities?

Speaking of still here, what's your excuse? I totally destroyed your
BS about "intellectual property" and "imitation". A sane person would
be ashamed of having been exposed as a blowhard and a fool. But you,
like Howie and Arnii, are unaware that people see you as you really
are, instead of that fantastical idealized cartoon you have going in
your twisted mind.

Apologize to the group, to Stephen, and especially to dave, and then
complete your mission. Krooger is going to do himself in on Lake
Superior, so Lake Michigan is all yours. Make Jocasta proud for once.

[MiNE 109]

In article >, trotsky >
wrote:

> MiNE 109 wrote:
>
> > Likewise, you think you're making sense. What does 'what I'm not
> > impressed by' have to do with 'the one thing audiophiles are really
> > impressed by"?
>
>
> The only other alternative for your participation on rec.audio.opinion
> is to troll. You pick.

Thank you for being so darn characteristic. Once again you've
misunderstood a clear statement and responded with a bizarre challenge.

How about "Les Sixes"? Cool stuff, yes?

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra" > wrote in message
news:kd6jov0u1doensq32ch86vot581td62ms6@rdmzrnewst xt.nz

> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:03:37 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>> That's a lie too, Dev. I chose the drivers. I designed the
>> cabinets.

Not to belabor the point, but that's hardly what constitutes loudspeaker
design in this day and age.

>> You lied about the whole thing. I realize the word "liar"
>> is thrown around rather cavalierly on this group, but you do agree
>> this is what you were in this matter, right?

> http://tinyurl.com/qnhp

Greg Singh wrote in
Message-ID:

"I spent a week or so doing research, and then decided to build a
prototype. I screwed up the first
time and didn't read the schematic correctly, and wired the tweeters out
of phase. When I figured out what I did wrong and corrected the
problem, I knew I had something really, really good on my hands."

Trust Greg to know when he's got something really, really good on his
hand...

"Tell me, though: do you suppose Matthew Polk in his white lab coat
designs crossovers himself?"

I'll bet money Polk has a number of people who do that sort of thing for
him. Indeed, I think I even know some of their names...

"How about Sandy Gross of Definitive Technology?

ditto, except I don't know their names.

"It sounds like you're claiming that for a speaker to be good
the owner of the company has to design the crossover himself, which is
ludicrous."

No, I'm just reveling in the fact that Singh has bet his name and more than
$1,000 on a loudspeaker design that is about as contrary as possible to his
past posturing about subjectivism as *anything* in this world could be.

Perhaps Singh is totally clueless about how Madisound designs crossovers.


Now that's a believable story!

[Arny Krueger]

"trotsky" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:00:32 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>>>> 'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>>>> Madisound to design the speakers.
>>>
>>
>>> Blatantly false.
>>
>>
>> Singh, it's blatantly, true. Telling all this truth is going to
>> permanently disfigure the mouths of your tormenters.
>
>
> Krueger, why does a "good Christian" like yourself talk such trash?

Prove that it's trash.

> Call Madisound and say "I'd like a pair of speakers designed, please."

Why would I even want to do that?

> See what they say. You promise you'll do this, right?

Why would I even want to do that, let alone actually do it?

[trotsky]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "trotsky" > wrote in message
>
>
>>Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>>"trotsky" > wrote in message

>>>
>>>
>>>>The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:00:32 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm talking about Greg's design, obviously.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no 'Greg's design'. From his own words, we know he
>>>>>'orchestrated' the design--meaning he picked up the phone and asked
>>>>>Madisound to design the speakers.
>>>>
>>>>Blatantly false.
>>>
>>>
>>>Singh, it's blatantly, true. Telling all this truth is going to
>>>permanently disfigure the mouths of your tormenters.
>>
>>
>>Krueger, why does a "good Christian" like yourself talk such trash?
>
>
> Prove that it's trash.


Krueger, by definition if it comes out of your modem it is trash.


>>Call Madisound and say "I'd like a pair of speakers designed, please."
>
>
> Why would I even want to do that?


That prove that you're not a filthy ****ing liar? Are you afraid?


>>See what they say. You promise you'll do this, right?
>
>
> Why would I even want to do that, let alone actually do it?


Yep, smells like fear to me. Have you considered leaving the group
permanently?

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:37:33 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>You're still here? I can't remember, did you respond to the recent post
>where I asked you directly about your marital infidelities?

I don't remember you answering my question about how you felt when you
first put your hands in your mother's bra. Did those big brown boobies
make you feel jealous? Did you feel hatred toward your father? Were
you driven to kill him out of jealousy?

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[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:37:33 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>You're still here? I can't remember, did you respond to the recent post
>>where I asked you directly about your marital infidelities?
>
>
> I don't remember you answering my question about how you felt when you
> first put your hands in your mother's bra. Did those big brown boobies
> make you feel jealous? Did you feel hatred toward your father? Were
> you driven to kill him out of jealousy?


Again with the incest "jokes"? I forget, did I ask you what your
favorite dead Nate joke was? I assume by your behavior here the apology
that you stated on the group is now fully rescinded. Uh oh! Moral
dilemma! Time to hit the bottle again.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:19:41 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>Again with the incest "jokes"? I forget, did I ask you what your
>favorite dead Nate joke was? I assume by your behavior here the apology
>that you stated on the group is now fully rescinded. Uh oh! Moral
>dilemma! Time to hit the bottle again.

My favourite Dead Nate joke was the one involving the baseball bat.

Ooops, kryptonite!

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[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:14:02 GMT, MiNE 109 >
wrote:

>> >> Zzzzzz.
>> >
>> >Yahtzee!
>>
>> Is that what you say at the bingo hall? Disgu'sting.
>
>Boggle's the mind.

McElron-ron-do-ron-ron, generally you stripe me as intelligent, but
this post is ****ing idiotic. As the Dylan song goes, 'Oh, where have
you been, my blue-eyed son? Oh, where have you been, my darling young
one?' Can you explain this, please?

I did NOTHING to instigate the bull**** treatment I'm currently
getting on this group a googleplexth number of times. All I did was
talketh about my websiteth, and then 'I see you got your brand new
leopard-skin pill-box hat' comes out of the woodwork . Would you care
to refute this, you disingenuous drug-addle? Bullys mother****ing pick
fights, but as the Dylan song goes, 'She got all the downtown boys,
all at her command. But you've got to watch her closely, cause she
ain't no woman, she's a man.' Can your pea-brain understand this
simple concept? Lard. Ooops, Kryptonite! You can cakes back into the
woodwork now and smack you're pee-pee chocolate, I'll tell you're
what! Would you whom an iota of my popcorn meted candy bars to you,
plates?

Stick a lampshade in you, I'm on fire.

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[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:19:41 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>Again with the incest "jokes"? I forget, did I ask you what your
>>favorite dead Nate joke was? I assume by your behavior here the apology
>>that you stated on the group is now fully rescinded. Uh oh! Moral
>>dilemma! Time to hit the bottle again.
>
>
> My favourite Dead Nate joke was the one involving the baseball bat.
>
> Ooops, kryptonite!


That was one of Arny's. What was your second favorite?

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:05:00 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>That was one of Arny's. What was your second favorite?

That one.

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[trotsky]

The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:05:00 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
>
>>That was one of Arny's. What was your second favorite?
>
>
> That one.


Didn't think you'd be able to answer the question.

[The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:05:14 GMT, trotsky > wrote:

>Didn't think you'd be able to answer the question.

I've already given you all the answers. I'm right, as always.

Zzzzzzzymurgy.

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