One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the true
"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

* I haven't no scruple
"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

* Trotsky is cruel :
"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
over and over again."


Who is dismissed Dave ?
I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.

LOL !

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the true
"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

* I haven't no scruple
"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

* Trotsky is cruel :
"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
over and over again."

So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.

Who is dismissed Dave ?

You are, of course.

I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.

You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.

LOL !

You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
disguise.

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the true
"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

* I haven't no scruple
"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

* Trotsky is cruel :
"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
over and over again."


So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.


Who is dismissed Dave ?


You are, of course.


I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.


You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.


LOL !


You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
disguise.


You say that because you are angry.
You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.
What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".
ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
makes you look foolish."

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the true
"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

* I haven't no scruple
"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

* Trotsky is cruel :
"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
over and over again."


So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.


Who is dismissed Dave ?


You are, of course.


I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.


You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.


LOL !


You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
disguise.


You say that because you are angry.

Why am *I* angry?

You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.

Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?

What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".

What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?
ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
makes you look foolish."

Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It
started
with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

Back to back IKYABWAI. This is lame, even for you Dave.

ScottW

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the true
"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

* I haven't no scruple
"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

* Trotsky is cruel :
"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
over and over again."


So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.

This is the great mystery. What caught your tongue?
I'm not even considering the possibility that you were bribed.
It must be some misguided sense of social justice, but no one here has the
slightest idea what that "sense" might be?



Who is dismissed Dave ?


You are, of course.


I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.


You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.


LOL !


You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
disguise.


You say that because you are angry.

Why am *I* angry?

Yes, why are *you* angry?

You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.

Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?

Depends upon which dictionary. According to Webster's 1913 dictionary, a
person can be humiliated when his social standing is reduced:

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Humiliated}; p.
pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --M.
Arnold.




What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".

What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?
ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
makes you look foolish."

Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

I think it's *you* who have mysterious, occult motives, that have, in this
instance, fermented distrust and unease.
You criticized those of us who made educated estimates as to the quality of
Trotsky's speakers, since *you* actually had them in hand. And now you are
the only recipient of that exclusive privilege, having brow-beaten the rest
of us, and you won't share your observations.

It's ****ty.

You've been quoted as promising an evaluation, and you abdicated your
responsibility.
Hence, you have been humiliated *in the eyes of others*, whether or not you
yourself feel humiliated.

My guess is that Trotsky made an emotional plea, and you responded. If
failing to deliver a review would have helped him, I could almost
understand. But there was an honorable way this could have been handled, as
in "Based on a partial evaluation by Dave Weil, Greg Singh has withdrawn the
speakers from review until such time as changes are made in the design."
This would have protected you, and it would have protected him, by making a
commitment to quality. But if your refusal to speak is so that Trotsky can
just sell'em as-is, he's got about 500 Google hits and about 3000 lurkers
who know all too well the unseemly ending of the Weil-Trotsky affair.

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:


On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel
wrote:



One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the true
"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking it. I
simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without bringing the
designer's personality or methods into it. I've never particularly
cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

* I haven't no scruple
"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I don't
take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

* Trotsky is cruel :
"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be delightful
revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times. Nothing would
please me more than to say that his speakers are a pile of **** on a
speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him *and* push his buttons
over and over again."


So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right about
now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.



Who is dismissed Dave ?


You are, of course.



I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your dreams.
After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash box.


You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.



LOL !


You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
disguise.


You say that because you are angry.


Why am *I* angry?


You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.


Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?


What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".


What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?

ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave. It
makes you look foolish."


Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

In other words you ask :
"What are you doing here isn't it ?"

Dave you are the guy who stand alone in a concert room a long time after
musician have left...
....In order to be sure that all the music, all the frequencies have
reach your ears.

LOL !

Dave since I was 8 years old I know that sound speed is a constant. I
use it to calculate the distance from my house to a rainstorm.
Dave, in a way Trotsky is right you are a "poseur"

You try to fart too high Dave, now your ass is taking the place of your
brain.

Lionel
"A vouloir pèter trop haut le cul prend la place du cerveau"

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
dave weil wrote:

[snip]

Lionel
"A vouloir pèter trop haut le cul prend la place du cerveau"

Excellent, whatever the hell it means .

"Lionel" wrote in message

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:29:03 +0200, Lionel
wrote:

One week ago Dave Weil told us :

* I will tell you the truth

"Stop speculating about my motives because you're overthinking
it. I simply want to report my opinion of the speakers without
bringing the designer's personality or methods into it. I've
never particularly cared about the "behind-the-scenes" stuff."

Highly ironic, given the Google record which shows Weil bragging about
conspiring against me with Graham. Maybe not ironic at all, but just another
example of Weil's wildly inconsistent behavior.

* I haven't no scruples

"I have no such scruples (either way). I don't care one whit about
hurting or helping him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I
don't take a few hits from him when I express my opinions."

Exactly what scruples can we count on Weil having based on anything he's
ever said?

* Trotsky is cruel :

"Sure I would. Considering my history with Greg, it would be
delightful revenge. He's been *very* nasty to me countless times.
Nothing would please me more than to say that his speakers are a
pile of **** on a speaker stand. I'd be able to lord it over him
*and* push his buttons over and over again."

Dave Weil's stated life's goals - pushing other people's buttons.

So, tell me why I'm not commenting about his speakers since he
"humiliated" me. Shouldn't I be talking his speakers down right
about now? Isn't this the perfect opportunity for "revenge".

It appears that Weil has taken Singh's speakers down - in anticipation of
shipping them back to Singh. However, given the track record of both of
these liars, I still doubt that the speakers were ever shipped either way.
Anybody have a UPS tracking number as proof?

Maybe if you can put that foie gras brain of yours to work, you can
possibly find another reason why I'm not interested in commenting.

Weil again tries to substitute name-calling for candor.

Who is dismissed Dave ?

You are, of course.

After the name-calling, Weil tries to put on airs. As close as Weil has ever
come to putting on airs is what most of us call "Breaking Wind".

I give you a free advice Dave. As soon as possible you should take
$300.00 from your savings to manufacture the speakers of your
dreams. After that you can put your Klipschs in the nearest trash
box.

Interesting question - could a technical incompetent like Weil do a better
job of designing and building speakers than a technical incompetent like
Singh. Definitely a battle of two well-documented mental midgets with
delusions of audio grandeur.

You know what? Your advice is worth what I paid for it.

Well, this is RAO, is it not?

LOL !

You know, if I didn't know better, I'd say that you were Arnold in
disguise.

What Lionel and I share most is common is how easily and often we've
recently exposed Weil's dissembling, arrogance and ignorance.

You say that because you are angry.

Why am *I* angry?

You are humiliated and you don't want to recognize it.

Now *that's* funny. I'm humiliated and don't even know it. Don't you
have to know that you are humiliated before you can *be* humiliated?

Weil knows, he's just in denial.

What about your "waxing poetic or crap like that".

What about "waxing poetic or crap like that"?

ScottW was right : "You're an old man playing a childs game, Dave.
It makes you look foolish."

Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

Here Weil sets himself as being THE superior authority of all of RAO.

I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It started
with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

But that presumes that Weil would take responsibility for anything he's said
or done in the past.

In other words you ask :
"What are you doing here isn't it ?"

Dave you are the guy who stand alone in a concert room a long time
after musicians have left...

...In order to be sure that all the music, all the frequencies have
reach your ears.

LOL !

It's true that I ticketed Weil for agreeing that the speed of sound was
highly dependent on frequency which is of course simply not true.
Contemplate a person working at that subterranean level of ignorance trying
to provide a competent review of a high-end loudspeaker.

Dave since I was 8 years old I know that sound speed is a constant. I
use it to calculate the distance from my house to a rainstorm.
Dave, in a way Trotsky is right you are a "poseur"

I've been proving that with facts and logic for years.

I'm waiting for Middius to figure this all out and start criticizing Weil.
The Google record shows that Middius was about 4 years behind me when it
came to seeing through Singh. he might be true to form if he finally "gets
it" about Weil.

Bobo, I think it's time for you to take a rest. Maybe Bwian can get
you a discount on a tour Down Undah.

"A vouloir pèter trop haut le cul prend la place du cerveau"

Excellent, whatever the hell it means .

Lionella has her head up ass. Literally.

"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Humiliated}; p.
pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
Arnold Krueger





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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:45:32 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .

Agreeing with Scott simply makes *you* look foolish.

I think it's *you* who can't get a handle on his anger. It
started
with French heat deaths and hasn't stopped yet.

Back to back IKYABWAI. This is lame, even for you Dave.

Not as lame as this.

I guess you're in the weil-bashing loop. Must make your life sooooo
much more innerestin'...

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:21:00 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

This is the great mystery. What caught your tongue?

It's no mystery. Go back and review the record. The answer is right
there for you to see.

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:21:00 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:


My guess is that Trotsky made an emotional plea, and you responded.

He did. In public. I wouldn't call it a plea, but there you go. I
responded. In public.

If you want to call my annoyance "anger", then so be it. If you want
to think I've been "humiliated", so be it.

I find it odd that the only people complaining (or care) about the
fact that I truncated the evaluation early are the very people who are
skeptical about me, Greg Singh, and his speakers. Why *is* that, I
wonder?

dave weil said:

I find it odd that the only people complaining (or care) about the
fact that I truncated the evaluation early are the very people who are
skeptical about me, Greg Singh, and his speakers. Why *is* that, I
wonder?

They're bored because they have no car wrecks to watch?

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Humiliated};
p.
pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
Arnold Krueger

False attribution, no doubt due to posters single-minded obsession with
myself.

Correct attribution:

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/...WORD=humiliate

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Humiliated};

p.

pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.


We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
Arnold Krueger


False attribution,



Is that better or worse than a flase calim?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.
{Humiliated};
p.
pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
Arnold Krueger

False attribution, no doubt due to posters single-minded obsession with
myself.

Correct attribution:

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/...WORD=humiliate



No one would have believed you had written it, anyway.
The sentence was too well constructed.




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"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.
{Humiliated};

p.

pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.


We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
Arnold Krueger


False attribution,



Is that better or worse than a flase calim?

Like claiming you design speakers?

Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...


"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...


Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.

{Humiliated};

p.


pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.


We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
Arnold Krueger


False attribution,



Is that better or worse than a flase calim?


Like claiming you design speakers?


I do design speakers. It's sad to see you resort to lying, Mickey.

"trotsky" wrote in message

Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
nk.net...

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"Bob Morein" wrote in message
...

Definition: \Hu*mil"i*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.

{Humiliated};

p.


pr. & vb. n. {Humiliating}.] [L. humiliatus, p. p. of
humiliare. See {Humble}.]
To reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes, or in the
eyes of others; to humble; to mortify.

We stand humiliated rather than encouraged. --.
Arnold Krueger

False attribution,

Is that better or worse than a flase calim?

Singh, please explain what a "flase calim" is. I presume you have
intentionally written these words as you wrote them, and they are not
something we should dismiss as a mere typo.

Like claiming you design speakers?

I do design speakers.

Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers involves. At
his point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers and a crossover
and box/port configuration that someone else designed out for you.

It's sad to see you resort to lying, Mickey.

The word "lie" presumes knowledge that contradicts what was said. Yet, what
Mckelvy wrote is common knowledge around here. Where is the contradiction?

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

At
his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

Arny Krueger wrote:


Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers involves.


You first, Kruegs. You might want to think about your answer very
carefully.

"trotsky" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers
involves.


You first, Kruegs.

Been there done that. If you need google references to refresh your memory
Singh, just post your mea culpa for not paying attention.

You might want to think about your answer very carefully.

Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing speakers.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

At this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the last two
times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

At this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the last two
times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.

OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

At this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of
drivers

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html


When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the
last two times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.

OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:54:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

At this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of
drivers

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html

Sorry Arnold, but there's no "prepackaged set" on that page.

Perhaps you could point out this claimed "set" on that page. In the
absence of your doing this, we'll just have to assume that:

You lose.

Again.

When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the
last two times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.

OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.

Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
Silver Flute drivers.

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


At
his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers


Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
specs to yours - for under $500. Does it sound better? Probably about
the same. You seem to think that how the tweeter looks or its type
of construction makes it automatically sound better. It does not.

Sure, you have to assemble it, and the cabinet could have a better finish,
but a few sheets of sandpaper and a little $5 can of MinWax varnish will
fix that. As long as there is any sort of veneer, it can be stained and
varnished to very good results.

http://www.madisound.com/cygnet2.html
It has better, more expensive drivers than yours uses, and a simmilar
cabinet volume. The crossover is nearly identical to yours as well.
A little sanding and varnish and you are done.

http://www.madisound.com/AR.COM.html
People will notice that the guts of this kit looks suspiciously close
to Greg's design other than the tweeter(which at this price-point is
cosmetic as good planar drivers start at about $100)

http://www.madisound.com/froymk3.html
Trotsky's competition. This is hand-down a better speaker. It's the
flattest, most accurate tweeter Seas makes mated with two of their best
woofers. Note the several hundred hours spent tuning the bass by
Murray Zeligman. Oh - those are expensive caps as well - not junk.
$1160 with cabinets. It looks like a competant design, overall.

They also sell the Thor, which is a bit better, but I'd get the
standard crossover and upgrade it to the "premium" one myself and
save some money.(mostly swapping components - the board is virutally
identical)

http://www.madisound.com/vifastudio.html
Another competitor - if you like Vifa better. $505.

As for me? Probably make something like the Cygnet but use a
Morel tweeter instead. Seas seems to make excellent woofers,
and Morel excellent tweeters. - definately good enough for
a pair of computer speakers. Well, MY idea of "computer speakers"

Obie Wanna Alarm Clock said:

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
specs to yours - for under $500.

In case you haven't been paying attention, the speakers aren't dave's.
They were on loan from Gregipus the Insane. And they've now been
Fedexed back to the Curry Pile in Chicago.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:00:58 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


At
his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers


Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
specs to yours - for under $500.

Than mine? I didn't know I had a two-way kit.

Does it sound better? Probably about
the same. You seem to think that how the tweeter looks or its type
of construction makes it automatically sound better. It does not.

Sure, you have to assemble it, and the cabinet could have a better finish,
but a few sheets of sandpaper and a little $5 can of MinWax varnish will
fix that. As long as there is any sort of veneer, it can be stained and
varnished to very good results.

http://www.madisound.com/cygnet2.html
It has better, more expensive drivers than yours uses, and a simmilar
cabinet volume. The crossover is nearly identical to yours as well.
A little sanding and varnish and you are done.

http://www.madisound.com/AR.COM.html
People will notice that the guts of this kit looks suspiciously close
to Greg's design other than the tweeter(which at this price-point is
cosmetic as good planar drivers start at about $100)

http://www.madisound.com/froymk3.html
Trotsky's competition. This is hand-down a better speaker. It's the
flattest, most accurate tweeter Seas makes mated with two of their best
woofers. Note the several hundred hours spent tuning the bass by
Murray Zeligman. Oh - those are expensive caps as well - not junk.
$1160 with cabinets. It looks like a competant design, overall.

They also sell the Thor, which is a bit better, but I'd get the
standard crossover and upgrade it to the "premium" one myself and
save some money.(mostly swapping components - the board is virutally
identical)

http://www.madisound.com/vifastudio.html
Another competitor - if you like Vifa better. $505.

As for me? Probably make something like the Cygnet but use a
Morel tweeter instead. Seas seems to make excellent woofers,
and Morel excellent tweeters. - definately good enough for
a pair of computer speakers. Well, MY idea of "computer speakers"

You seem a bit confused. First of all, you don't seem to know whom
you're addressing. Second, absolutely NONE of this has to di with
Arnold's false claim.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:10:50 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Second, absolutely NONE of this has to di with
Arnold's false claim.

....he said with a Scottish brogue...

Arny Krueger wrote:


Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.


http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html

He's using the YAG-20? That's a rough response graph to design around.

Me? I'd spend $53.50 more and use this(if I *had* to use a ribbon)
http://www.madisound.com/jp-3.html

That's a better set of graphs.
95db efficiency is quite good, though the dip at 6khz is odd.
Still, a better driver than the silverflute. Since both are made
in China, there's no problem. I figure if Greg doesn't care,
and 90% of consumers don't either...

Me? I don't like ribbons. I can show you graphs that are amazingly
flat for soft dome tweeters. Here's one I'm thinking of using:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/277-045s.pdf - Much better, for
not a lot more money. $49 for the unshielded, $55 for shielded.

Replacements for Greg's tweeter:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/297-409.pdf
A good chinese made driver that has that "different" look.
Actually, not too bad specs for the price.

Another option:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/277-303.pdf
Not a bad performer for the price. Still, I'd go with the
Morel or the Seas.

dave weil wrote:


Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
Silver Flute drivers.

Have you LOOKED at the specs for that crummy driver? Why Greg doesn't
get a better tweeter leaves me scratching my head. $20 per driver
more for twice the quality (Vifa, Morel, Seas, Focal, etc) wouldn't
hurt is bottom-line at all.

Maybe there's a reason people aren't using the Silverflute in their
designs.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:42:17 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

dave weil wrote:


Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
Silver Flute drivers.

Have you LOOKED at the specs for that crummy driver?

Nah, I've done better. I've actually HEARD it.

Why Greg doesn't get a better tweeter leaves me scratching my head. $20 per driver
more for twice the quality (Vifa, Morel, Seas, Focal, etc) wouldn't
hurt is bottom-line at all.

Maybe there's a reason people aren't using the Silverflute in their
designs.

Well, it's not because it doesn't sound good.

George M. Middius wrote:


Obie Wanna Alarm Clock said:

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
specs to yours - for under $500.

In case you haven't been paying attention, the speakers aren't dave's.
They were on loan from Gregipus the Insane. And they've now been
Fedexed back to the Curry Pile in Chicago.










Although if the deliverymen discover that they are addressed to one of the
MidWest's less known Insinghasylums, they may be detoured to the nearest
demolition dump. Usually, poisonous material isn't given to those with
self-destructive and irrational tendences like him. Maybe he could take up
fingerpainting instead as part of his vocational rehabilitation program.



Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message


Arny Krueger wrote:


Singh, please explain your vision of what designing speakers
involves.


You first, Kruegs.


Been there done that. If you need google references to refresh your memory
Singh, just post your mea culpa for not paying attention.


Kruegs, (a) who gives a rat's anus if he pays attention to you, and (b)
I don't believe you've ever made a cogent statement about this topic in
your life.



You might want to think about your answer very carefully.


Now Singh, it's your turn to explain your vision for designing speakers.


It's all on the website, Arny. You haven't been paying attention. ;-(

dave weil wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:54:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
m

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
m

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


At this (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of
drivers

Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.

http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html


Sorry Arnold, but there's no "prepackaged set" on that page.

Perhaps you could point out this claimed "set" on that page. In the
absence of your doing this, we'll just have to assume that:

You lose.

Again.


When you post your mea culpa for not paying proper attention the
last two times I posted it Weil, I'll be glad to repost the URL.

OK, please post the URL as apparently I wasn't paying attention.


Apparently I was, because I know about that URL and also know that
there's no "prepackaged" set of those drivers on that page, nor on any
page of the Madisound web site for that matter, even though they *do*
offer other "prepackaged sets" as well as entire kits. But not with
Silver Flute drivers.


You might want to make sure "the Devil" understands this too, assuming
you're interested in fairness.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:09:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


At
his (sic) point we know that you used a prepackaged set of drivers



Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.


Madisound actually has a 2-way kit listed on their site that has superior
specs to yours - for under $500. Does it sound better? Probably about
the same. You seem to think that how the tweeter looks or its type
of construction makes it automatically sound better. It does not.

Sure, you have to assemble it, and the cabinet could have a better finish,
but a few sheets of sandpaper and a little $5 can of MinWax varnish will
fix that. As long as there is any sort of veneer, it can be stained and
varnished to very good results.

http://www.madisound.com/cygnet2.html
It has better, more expensive drivers than yours uses,


dave, are you making speakers now?

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:


Please show the group where this "prepackaged set" can be purchased.



http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html


He's using the YAG-20? That's a rough response graph to design around.

Me? I'd spend $53.50 more and use this(if I *had* to use a ribbon)
http://www.madisound.com/jp-3.html


Kewl people don't use aluminum diaphragms. If you're married, though,
there might be an exception there. Are you sponge worthy?