A quick study in very recent RAHE moderator inconsistency

[Arny Krueger]

Here's a post rejection that one of the RAHE moderators just bragged about:

************* the rejection letter*************


----- Original Message -----
From: "Renaud Dreyer" >
To: "Arny Krueger" >
Cc: "Bath David" >
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: THE AUDIOPHILE PRESS



Le dimanche, 7 sep 2003, à 03:55 US/Pacific, Arny Krueger a écrit :


> "Dennis Moore" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> If you wish to buy a CD/SACD/DVD player, are any of them
>> sonically accurate?

> IME just about all of them.

>> Which don't make the cut, and how do you figure that out?

> If I found that every optical disc player that sells for over $100
retail
> was sonically accurate, I wouldn't be surprised. Indeed I'm kinda curious
> whether the $59 ($39 on sale) DVD players made by Apex are sonically
> accurate.

>> How much even roughly gets you enough
>> quality not to worry about the quality or accuracy of the signal
>> the disc player will provide?

> The last player I did DBTs on was a Tredex DVD player that I paid $130
> for
> about 18 months ago. It was sonically accurate - measured pretty good,
> too.
> A certain high end editor was telling scare stories about DVD players
> whose
> audio outputs were degraded by the video circuits, at the time.
> Ironically,
> that problem was found in a high end optical player, not one from the
> mid-fi
> market. I found from these tests that even cheap mid-fi optical
> players can
> actually be quite clean, both from the standpoint of listening tests
> and
> measurements.
>
> Generalizing, what DBT advocates like Tom and I have found is not that
> one
> needs to do DBTs to choose components, but that since so many of them
> in
> certain classes (examples optical players, amplifiers) are sonically
> accurate, there's no need to do listening tests to choose components in
> those classes, once fairly minimal quality levels have been met.
>
> OTOH in other classes of components (say speakers), the general rule
> is that
> they all sound different, and none of them are sonically accurate.
>
> I believe that Julian Hirsch was one of, or the first person to
> publish the
> idea that all sonically accurate components must sound alike. This was
> back
> in the 60s, I think. At this point, it seems pretty obvious.
>
> BTW, I think I've found a new low-water price mark for an active audio
> component that is sonically transparent. It is the Radio Shack part
> number
> 330-1109 3-Way Headphone Volume Booster (a kind of power amplifier).
> This
> device runs off of 2 AA cells and provides 3 amplifier headphone
> jacks. I
> ran some measurements on it and find that it has approximately 6 dB
> gain,
> 0.003% THD @ 1 KHz full output, approximately 90 dB SNR and frequency
> response 20-20 KHz +0, - 0.3 dB. In PCABX testing it appears to be
> sonically
> accurate when its output is level-matched and drives a resistive load.
> It
> sells for the princely sum of $22.95. Good for people with iPods that
> find
> their output on the low side with the third-party headphones they
> chose.
>
>
>
>
Dear r.a.h-e contributor,

Thank you for submitting your post to the newsgroup. However, it
violates the Posting Guidelines, since it contains language that could
be interpreted as inflammatory (introducing blind tests in a non blind
test thread). We will be glad to reconsider your
article if you resubmit it while keeping this in mind. Best regards,

Renaud Dreyer
r-a.h-e moderating team

************* end of the rejection letter*************

The post I was responding to is titled "THE AUDIOPHILE PRESS" and can be
found in google starting with this post:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=NJQ1b.238289%24uu5.47499%40sccrnsc04

Remember that the RAHE moderator specifically claimed that I introduced
blind tests in a non-blind test thread.


Now, here are just a few of the posts in the same thread (according to
google) that mention blind tests:

Notably, the first post in the thread says:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=NJQ1b.238289%24uu5.47499%40sccrnsc04

"What does this mean - DBTs. Audiophiles don't care."

and then...

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=2EK5b.168627%242x.47633%40rwcrnsc52.op s.as
p.att.net

"With respect to DBTs, I have closely followed discussions about this
topic in this forum for more than 4 years. I believe that all but a
fraction of audiophiles don't care one way or another about DBTs.
Certainly there is nothing wrong at all about being in the minority.
But I have come to the conclusion (for me) that while there may be
useful purposes for DBTs in research and other esoteric applications I
have never seen any illustration in this forum or elsewhere how DBTs
can be of *practical* use to mainstream audiophiles. Audiophiles seem
to love to talk about DBts but won't or can't apply them to the real
world of buying/comparing audio equipment for the purposes of
listening to real music. Even staunch disciples of DBTs that I have
quizzed in this forum over the years don't use DBTs in there audio
equipment purchases even though they may lambast those who believe
DBts to be irrevocably flawed. It's not that they are not principled
with respect to their belief in DBTs. It's that DBTs are not a
practical tool for even zealots who care about them."

and then...

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=V5U5b.266586%24cF.83849%40rwcrnsc53

"How about the fact that no one has passed a properly conducted DBT on
two cables with similar measurements? I would think that every
mainstream audiophile should find this result very practical."

"Or how about reading that a well-known high-end salesman could not tell,
in a DBT, a Pass amp from a Yamaha integrated amp, even though the the
former costs more than 10 times the latter? Why wouldn't you, as an
audiophile, find that result very interesting and practical?"

"Now you are contradicting yourself. You said that "all but a
fraction of audiophiles don't care one way or another about DBTs", and
then you said audiophiles love to talk about DBT's. Which is it?"

"Why is that strange? There is a difference between not doing a test for
practical reasons, and saying that the test is flawed. No one has been
lambasted for not doing a DBT. One does not have to do a DBT to
understand the principles behind the DBT."

"No one has said that you have to do a DBT to choose equipment."

and then...

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=JHh6b.372231%24Ho3.55916%40sccrnsc03

"The reason for Robert Lang's attitude is quite simple.
You assume an unproven hypothesis: ' DBT/ABX is THE proven test for
testing differences in music reproduction between audio components' "

"ABX does not work for me. It does not mean that it does not
work for you. We are all different- we're all "subjective subjects"

"P.S. The remainder of your text quoted below validates that
DBT as a universally applicable audiophile "test"is a belief not a
fact"


--- and many more ----

But, you read it here, according to our friendly neighborhood RAHE modertor,
I'm paranoid and the dozens of other references to DBTs in the thread I
posted to are simply figments of my imagination.

[Lionel Chapuis]

Arny Krueger a écrit :

> Here's a post rejection that one of the RAHE moderators just bragged about:
>
> ************* the rejection letter*************
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Renaud Dreyer" >
> To: "Arny Krueger" >
> Cc: "Bath David" >
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: THE AUDIOPHILE PRESS
>
>
>
> Le dimanche, 7 sep 2003, à 03:55 US/Pacific, Arny Krueger a écrit :
>
Ooooh a frenchy !
I'm really astonished ! Usually they are much more tolerant !
;-)
Arnold, the ones who leave France to *West-Coast* for studies purpose
are usually snobs, incompetents.
They missed their teenager crisis and gently execute their Dad's
nostalgic-tender-projects... When they come back France they look like
"reactionary hippies" with round glasses ! :-(

Forget him...

[S888Wheel]

Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course ****ing off a
moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe you should apologize to
the moderators and try to follow the rules.

[dave weil]

On 09 Sep 2003 16:01:34 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

> Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course ****ing off a
>moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe you should apologize to
>the moderators <snip>

As if...

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course ****ing
off a
> moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe you should
apologize to
> the moderators and try to follow the rules.

Sue me!

;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

> I said
>
> <<
>> Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course
>> ****ing off a moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe
>> you should apologize to the moderators and try to follow the rules.
> >>
>
>
> Arny said
>
> <<
> Sue me!
>
> ;-)
>
> >>
>
>
> You have until the 20th.

What sockpuppet Wheel, is that when you go "poof" and blow away?

LOL!

[S888Wheel]

I said

<<
>
> You have until the 20th.
>>


Arny said

<<
What sockpuppet Wheel, is that when you go "poof" and blow away?

LOL! >>


While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen on the
20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of intent to
sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> I said
>
> <<
> >
> > You have until the 20th.
> >>
>
>
> Arny said
>
> <<
> What sockpuppet Wheel, is that when you go "poof" and blow away?
>
> LOL! >>
>
>
> While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen on
the
> 20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of intent
to
> sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.

I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

[S888Wheel]

I said

>> While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen on
>the
>> 20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of intent
>to
>> sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.

Arny said

>
>I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
>capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> I said
>
> >> While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen
on
> >the
> >> 20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of
intent
> >to
> >> sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.
>
> Arny said
>
> >
> >I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
> >capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.
>
> Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

I proud of the other typos I found that I didn't point out, sockpuppet
Wheel.

Could you be more pathetic?

Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.

For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of Michigan about
then. Tell your process server he can find me in or about the Porcupine
Mountains.

[S888Wheel]

<< I said
>
> >> While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen
on
> >the
> >> 20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of
intent
> >to
> >> sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.
> >>


<<
> Arny said
>
> >
> >I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
> >capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.
> >>


I said


<<
> Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.
>>


Arny said


<<

Could you be more pathetic?
>>


Certianly! You have set quite a standard for pathetic. Care to diagram this
sentnence of yours from another post?
"Apparenly more than you can tell lies about, sockpuppet North."


Arny said



<<

Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.

For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of Michigan about
then. Tell your process server he can find me in or about the Porcupine
Mountains.
>>

Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:09:23 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>
>> Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.
>
>Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or audio
>equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of Cat-5 and coax
>passing through.

Both of which could be considered "computer equipment": (if someone
else were making the above claim, this is what Arnold would likely
say).

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:09:23 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
>
>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.
>>
>> Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or
>> audio equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of
>> Cat-5 and coax passing through.
>
> Both of which could be considered "computer equipment": (if someone
> else were making the above claim, this is what Arnold would likely
> say).

Just goes to show that Weil is so desperate to pick nits that he'll claim I
made an error when I anticipate his weirdness and explain it in advance.

BTW, I do have audio equipment in the basement when the Nomad is on my
person.

LOL!

[dave weil]

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:33:30 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:09:23 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
>>
>>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.
>>>
>>> Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or
>>> audio equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of
>>> Cat-5 and coax passing through.
>>
>> Both of which could be considered "computer equipment": (if someone
>> else were making the above claim, this is what Arnold would likely
>> say).
>
>Just goes to show that Weil is so desperate to pick nits that he'll claim I
>made an error when I anticipate his weirdness and explain it in advance.

No, just using your behavior as an example.

>BTW, I do have audio equipment in the basement when the Nomad is on my
>person.

A strap-on, eh?

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said to ****-for-Brains:

> >BTW, I do have audio equipment in the basement when the Nomad is on my
> >person.

> A strap-on, eh?

LOL! (Because it's funny, Arnii.)

Of course Krooger doesn't use the equipment to stimulate the Kroobitch
-- he just wants to drown her out.

[S888Wheel]

I said

<<
> Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual. >>


Arny said

<<
Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or audio
equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of Cat-5 and coax
passing through.
>>


Prove it

[Joseph Oberlander]

The RAHE moderator never bounced my posts, even when my ISP spat
up everything for a week about 8-9 months ago.

Something else must be at work, Arny.

[Arny Krueger]

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message


> The RAHE moderator never bounced my posts, even when my ISP spat
> up everything for a week about 8-9 months ago.

> Something else must be at work, Arny.

Exactly.

[Leon North]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

> Something else must be at work, Arny.

Pedophilia?

LN

--
"I'm well-despised around here." A. Dimbulb Krooger (make that
"everywhere")

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
Joseph Oberlander > wrote:

> The RAHE moderator never bounced my posts, even when my ISP spat
> up everything for a week about 8-9 months ago.

I had a couple of posts bounced when I had a typo in my email address. I
was approved again as soon as I fixed the problem.

> Something else must be at work, Arny.

You're special.

Stephen

[Lionel Chapuis]

Arny Krueger a écrit :
>
> But, you read it here, according to our friendly neighborhood RAHE modertor,
> I'm paranoid and the dozens of other references to DBTs in the thread I
> posted to are simply figments of my imagination.
>
>

I read this on RAHE :

"I've often thought that if we eliminated (primarily because they've
become too predictable and boring) the discussions that invariably
devolve into DBT debates, ie. cables, equipment "burn-in", amplifiers,
green pens, etc., there would be precious few threads worth following."

Predictables and boring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arnold, change your name, your address, your face I don't know but they
desperatly need you !

Thank for them,
Lionel

[Arny Krueger]

"Lionel Chapuis" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger a écrit :
>>
>> But, you read it here, according to our friendly neighborhood RAHE
>> modertor, I'm paranoid and the dozens of other references to DBTs in
>> the thread I posted to are simply figments of my imagination.
>>
>>
>
> I read this on RAHE :
>
> "I've often thought that if we eliminated (primarily because they've
> become too predictable and boring) the discussions that invariably
> devolve into DBT debates, ie. cables, equipment "burn-in", amplifiers,
> green pens, etc., there would be precious few threads worth
> following."
>
> Predictable and boring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Arnold, change your name, your address, your face I don't know but
> they desperately need you !

Thanks for the good thoughts, but the comments following that post seem to
be just fine to me.

[Michael Mckelvy]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> << I said
> >
> > >> While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will
happen
> on
> > >the
> > >> 20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of
> intent
> > >to
> > >> sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.
> > >>
>
>
> <<
> > Arny said
> >
> > >
> > >I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how
to
> > >capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.
> > >>
>
>
> I said
>
>
> <<
> > Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.
> >>
>
>
> Arny said
>
>
> <<
>
> Could you be more pathetic?
> >>
>
>
> Certianly! You have set quite a standard for pathetic. Care to diagram
this
> sentnence of yours from another post?
> "Apparenly more than you can tell lies about, sockpuppet North."
>
>
> Arny said
>
>
>
> <<
>
> Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.
>
> For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of Michigan
about
> then. Tell your process server he can find me in or about the Porcupine
> Mountains.
> >>
>
> Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.
>

The 20th has come and gone. What's the next non-move?

[Arny Krueger]

"Michael Mckelvy" > wrote in message


> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
> ...

>> << I said

>>>>> While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will
happen on the
>>>>> 20th. If you can't remember then I suggest you review the letter
>>>>> of intent to sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter
>>>>> on RAO.

>>> Arny said

>>>> I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned
>>>> how to capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

>> I said

>>> Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

Fact of the matter Sockpuppet Wheel's incompetent writing and nonstandard
post formatting is a cross that all who try to respond to him have to bear.
I suspect that he's a sadist who sits back and laughs at people who try to
make sense out of what he posts. Either that, or he's mentally incompetent,
probably suffering with the heartbreak of senile dementia.

>> Arny said

>> Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.

>> For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of
>> Michigan about then. Tell your process server he can find me in or
>> about the Porcupine Mountains.

>> Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.

On September 20th I was as promised, camping in Michigan's Porcupine
Mountain Wilderness Park. To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
Little Escarpment River.

> The 20th has come and gone. What's the next non-move?

It looks to me like Sockpuppet Wheel is preparing to walk into a trap I've
set for him. If he does what says he plans, he could well be walking into
formal charges for mail fraud. I'm tired of screwing around with his
weirdness.

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> >>> Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.
>
> Fact of the matter Sockpuppet Wheel's incompetent
> writing... I suspect that he's a sadist who sits back
> and laughs at people who try to make sense out of
> what he posts. Either that, or he's mentally incompetent,
> probably suffering with the heartbreak of senile
> dementia.
>
Hypocrite, remove the timber from your own
eye first.

> > The 20th has come and gone. What's the next
> > non-move?
>
> It looks to me like Sockpuppet Wheel is preparing
> to walk into a trap I've set for him.
>
Hehehe... oh, that’s really scary!

[S888Wheel]

>
>>> << I said
>
>>>>>> While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will
>happen on the
>>>>>> 20th. If you can't remember then I suggest you review the letter
>>>>>> of intent to sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter
>>>>>> on RAO.

>
>>>> Arny said
>
>>>>> I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned
>>>>> how to capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

>
>>> I said
>
>>>> Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

Arny said

>Fact of the matter Sockpuppet Wheel's incompetent writing and nonstandard
>post formatting is a cross that all who try to respond to him have to bear.
>I suspect that he's a sadist who sits back and laughs at people who try to
>make sense out of what he posts. Either that, or he's mentally incompetent,
>probably suffering with the heartbreak of senile dementia.

A fine example of your hypocrisy. You are quite a "character" Arny. What was it
you said you excel at in life? Oh yeah, nothing. No doubt, as you say, you are
not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

>
>>> Arny said
>
>>> Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.
>

>
>>> For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of
>>> Michigan about then. Tell your process server he can find me in or
>>> about the Porcupine Mountains.
>

I said

>
>>> Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.
>

Arny said

>
>On September 20th I was as promised, camping in Michigan's Porcupine
>Mountain Wilderness Park. To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
>Little Escarpment River.

That's nice, another fool was crapping in the woods.

Mikey said

>
>> The 20th has come and gone. What's the next non-move?

I guess you haven't been paying attention Mike.

Arny said

>
>It looks to me like Sockpuppet Wheel is preparing to walk into a trap I've
>set for him.

Scary. Taking a default judgement is a brilliant trap. Wile E. Coyote would be
proud of your strategy.

Arny said

>If he does what says he plans, he could well be walking into
>formal charges for mail fraud.

I did exactly what i daid I would do. You cannot be any more clueless. Mail
fraud? Are you really that stupid? Call up the postmaster general and tell him
someone sent you a letter of intent to sue and then he sued you. I can hear the
response right now.

Arny said

>I'm tired of screwing around with his
>weirdness.

Well know you can "screw around" with a real lawsuit on your hands.

[George M. Middius]

S888Wheel said to ****-for-Brains:

> No doubt, as you say, you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Krooger is so dull, no steel made by human hands will have anything
to do with him.

[Powell]

"S888Wheel" wrote

> >On September 20th I was as promised, camping
> >in Michigan's Porcupine Mountain Wilderness Park.
> >To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
> >Little Escarpment River.
>
> That's nice, another fool was crapping in the woods.
>
What outside life experiences have you had that
stand comparable muster?

[S888Wheel]

>
>What outside life experiences have you had that
>stand comparable muster?
>

I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and the many day trips into the
natural wonders on my visit to New Zealand were probably vastly superior
experiences. that's afew off the top of my head. This is , of course, where
Arny jumps in claiming I am a liar and asking for proof that he would never
accpet were it presented.

[S888Wheel]

>
>I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and the many day trips into the
>natural wonders on my visit to New Zealand were probably vastly superior
>experiences. that's afew off the top of my head. This is , of course, where
>Arny jumps in claiming I am a liar and asking for proof that he would never
>accpet were it presented.
>
>
>
>
>

Will Arny find this last typo as another personal victory? The word is accept.

[Powell]

"S888Wheel" wrote

> >What outside life experiences have you had that
> >stand comparable muster?
> >
>
> I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and
> the many day trips into the natural wonders
> on my visit to New Zealand were probably
> vastly superior experiences.
>
Well, its up to you, but you might cut Arny some
slack on wilderness experiences. I’ve canoed
some of the same Canadian waters as he.
Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
and danger cannot be avoided. In this world
you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper :).

[S888Wheel]

Powell said

>
>> >What outside life experiences have you had that
>> >stand comparable muster?
>> >

I said

>
>> I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and
>> the many day trips into the natural wonders
>> on my visit to New Zealand were probably
>> vastly superior experiences.

Yes it is up to me to decide for myself what makes for the better out door
experiences. I don't need your permission. I'll take the outdoors in New
Zealand and Yosemite over Michigan every time.

Powell said

>but you might cut Arny some
>slack on wilderness experiences.

I think I did.

Powell said

>I’ve canoed
>some of the same Canadian waters as he.
>Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
>and danger cannot be avoided.

Wow a regular thrill seeker. If you or Arny want to impress me with your
wilderness adventures go climb Everest or something else with a serious
risk.Arny's trip to the woods does not impress me.

Powell said

> In this world
>you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper :).
>

As if you know jack about me. Rambo wannabe.

[Powell]

"S888Wheel" wrote

> >I've canoed
> >some of the same Canadian waters as he.
> >Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
> >and danger cannot be avoided.
>
> Wow a regular thrill seeker. If you or Arny
> want to impress me with your wilderness
> adventures go climb Everest or something
> else with a serious risk.Arny's trip to the
> woods does not impress me.
>
Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"


> > In this world
> >you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper :).
> >
> As if you know jack about me. Rambo wannabe.
>
Quack, quack, quack...

[S888Wheel]

Powell said

>
>> >I've canoed
>> >some of the same Canadian waters as he.
>> >Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
>> >and danger cannot be avoided.
>>

I said

>> Wow a regular thrill seeker. If you or Arny
>> want to impress me with your wilderness
>> adventures go climb Everest or something
>> else with a serious risk.Arny's trip to the
>> woods does not impress me.

Powell said

>
>Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
>do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"

Really what? Is this the result of some learning disability? Did I say I am a
risk taker? I think people who climb Everest are fools. You were bragging about
being some weekend wilderness Rambo guy. I was simply pointing out that your
river rides in Cananda don't impress me. Fools tak serious risks on purpose
IMO. Do you want to brag about some foolish outdoorsmanship? go ahead. come up
with something better than rowing a canoe please.

Powell said

>
>> > In this world
>> >you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper :).
>> >

I said

>
>> As if you know jack about me. Rambo wannabe.
>>

Powell said

>
>Quack, quack, quack...
>

That is truely the most inteligent thing I have ever seen you post. Keep
developing and some day you will realize how pathetic your tales of rowing a
canoe really are.

[George M. Middius]

S888Wheel said:

> >Quack, quack, quack...

> That is truely the most inteligent thing I have ever seen you post. Keep
> developing and some day you will realize how pathetic your tales of rowing a
> canoe really are.


Powie quacks a lot. Outside of his occasional post about audio,
nobody has any luck making sense of his inane nattering.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "S888Wheel" wrote
>
> > >On September 20th I was as promised, camping
> > >in Michigan's Porcupine Mountain Wilderness Park.
> > >To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
> > >Little Escarpment River.
> >
> > That's nice, another fool was crapping in the woods.
> >
> What outside life experiences have you had that
> stand comparable muster?

Warning - sockpuppet Wheel is a sockpuppet, and thus he can drop any names
and/or make up any events he wishes.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message
...


> Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
> do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"

Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Powell" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> > Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
> > do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"
>
> Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!
>
>

Really?
I didn't know that Scott was selling anything by mail.




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[S888Wheel]

>
>
>Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!
>

Yeah, right.

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >
> >Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!
> >
>
> Yeah, right.

Your gun, your bullet, your foot.

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> > > >On September 20th I was as promised, camping
> > > >in Michigan's Porcupine Mountain Wilderness Park.
> > > >To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
> > > >Little Escarpment River.
> > >
> > > That's nice, another fool was crapping in the woods.
> > >
> > What outside life experiences have you had that
> > stand comparable muster?
>
> Warning - sockpuppet Wheel is a sockpuppet, and
> thus he can drop any names and/or make up any
> events he wishes.
>
Scott thinks you *row* your canoe... ignorance
is bliss. The world is full of people who put down
what they don’t know or haven’t experience. We
can only hope that our young wallflower will mature
over over time.

[Powell]

"George M. Middius" wrote

> > >Quack, quack, quack...
>
> > That is truely the most inteligent thing I have
> > ever seen you post. Keep developing and
> > some day you will realize how pathetic your
> > tales of rowing a canoe really are.
>
> Powie quacks a lot. Outside of his occasional
> post about audio, nobody has any luck making
> sense of his inane nattering.
>
Take note, your champion thinks Arny *rows*
his canoe. Do you think he could differentiate
between the stern and his rear end without two
hands and a flashlight? You've got a real
paladin under your wing this time, George ;-).

[George M. Middius]

Powell quacked:

> > Powie quacks a lot. Outside of his occasional
> > post about audio, nobody has any luck making
> > sense of his inane nattering.
> >
> Take note, your champion thinks Arny *rows*
> his canoe. Do you think he could differentiate
> between the stern and his rear end without two
> hands and a flashlight? You've got a real
> paladin under your wing this time, George ;-).

You haven't been paying attention again, I can see. Or maybe you
have, but your comprehension skill is as fractured as your
self-expression skill.

When you are talking with people in real life, do you use the same
stunted syntax and murky language to communicate? Or maybe you're
the world's only 66-year-old altar boy and your responsibilities
begin and end with keeping a pack of matches handy for Father
Claptrap to light the candles......

[Powell]

"George M. Middius" wrote

> > > Powie quacks a lot. Outside of his occasional
> > > post about audio, nobody has any luck making
> > > sense of his inane nattering.
> > >
> > Take note, your champion thinks Arny *rows*
> > his canoe. Do you think he could differentiate
> > between the stern and his rear end without two
> > hands and a flashlight? You've got a real
> > paladin under your wing this time, George ;-).
>
> You haven't been paying attention again, I can
> see.
>
Could be, I can't afford the box seats in this group.

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...

> Keep developing and some day you will realize how pathetic your tales of
rowing a
> canoe really are.

Yes, we've got an experienced outdoorsman here, one who thinks that canoes
are rowed. This really casts doubt on his other claims, doesn't it?

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message
...

> Take note, your champion thinks Arny *rows* his canoe.

Just another example the sort of mental giants that Middius attracts.

[Arny Krueger]

"Langis" > wrote in message
...
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >> >Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yeah, right.

> >Your gun, your bullet, your foot.

> Your keyboard, your lawsuit, your highly unimpressed family.

You've really got the facts confused, don't you Dormer? The lawsuit isn't
mine, it belongs to Scokpuppet Wheel.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message
...

> "Arny Krueger" wrote

> Warning - sockpuppet Wheel is a sockpuppet, and
> > thus he can drop any names and/or make up any
> > events he wishes.

> Scott thinks you *row* your canoe... ignorance is bliss.

We've got a highly-skilled outdoorsman in sockpuppet Wheel.

LOL!

> The world is full of people who put down
> what they don't know or haven't experience.

In the case of sockpuppet Wheel, we've got a blithering idiot who "puts
down" fallacious experiences on his resume.

> We can only hope that our young wallflower will mature over time.

So you attribute sockpuppet Wheel's idiocy to youth? I've always sensed an
advanced case of senile dementia.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Powell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George M. Middius" wrote
>> Take note, your champion thinks Arny *rows*
> his canoe. Do you think he could differentiate
> between the stern and his rear end without two
> hands and a flashlight? You've got a real
> paladin under your wing this time, George ;-).
>

Indeed, Arny rows a canoe.
The only paddling Arny does is when he is in his
basement training the neightborhood boys.




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Langis" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > >> >Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, right.
>
> > >Your gun, your bullet, your foot.
>
> > Your keyboard, your lawsuit, your highly unimpressed family.
>
> You've really got the facts confused, don't you Dormer? The lawsuit isn't
> mine, it belongs to Scokpuppet Wheel.
>
>

As the judgement will also belong to Wheeler.
Please note that I did not criticize your typo. All of us
are prone to that.




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[George M. Middius]

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

> Indeed, Arny rows a canoe.

Actually, he rents a canoe.

[S888Wheel]

>
>Yes, we've got an experienced outdoorsman here, one who thinks that canoes
>are rowed. This really casts doubt on his other claims, doesn't it?
>

No. Did I claim to be a canoe enthusiast?

[S888Wheel]

>
>Your gun, your bullet, your foot.
>

My win via default judgement.

[S888Wheel]

>
>We've got a highly-skilled outdoorsman in sockpuppet Wheel.
>

No, I'm not big on crapping in the woods for a good time.

>
>In the case of sockpuppet Wheel, we've got a blithering idiot who "puts
>down" fallacious experiences on his resume.
>

Really? When did you read my resume? Liar.


>
>So you attribute sockpuppet Wheel's idiocy to youth? I've always sensed an
>advanced case of senile dementia.
>

How? being so senseless and all.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Sockpuppet Yustabe said:
>
> > Indeed, Arny rows a canoe.
>
> Actually, he rents a canoe.
>
>

He really ought to buy one. When not in use, he can
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[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

> Sockpuppet Yustabe said:
>
>> Indeed, Arny rows a canoe.
>
> Actually, he rents a canoe.

Actually, I own two canoes. Just another example of how Middius can't get
anything about me right.

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message


>> Yes, we've got an experienced outdoorsman here, one who thinks that
>> canoes are rowed. This really casts doubt on his other claims,
>> doesn't it?

> No.

More denial of the obvious.

>Did I claim to be a canoe enthusiast?

You claimed at least some trivial level of competence in the out-of-doors.
You blew it!

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>> Your gun, your bullet, your foot.
>>
>
> My win via default judgement.

Check your facts sockpuppet Wheel, courts don't give "judgements"

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> > Actually, he rents a canoe.
>
> Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
> example of how Middius can't get anything
> about me right.
>
I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.
What are you using?

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>
>>> Actually, he rents a canoe.
>>
>> Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
>> example of how Middius can't get anything
>> about me right.
>>
> I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
> Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
> Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.
> What are you using?

Just 2 plain ole 17' grummies, albeit the lighter (66#) ones made with
hardened aluminum. I bought them in the days when the portaging crew was
mostly under 16 so durability and possible expendability was a big issue. As
soon as portaging 'em gets to be a problem, I'll consider something lighter.

[Lionel]

Powell wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>
>
>>>Actually, he rents a canoe.
>>
>>Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
>>example of how Middius can't get anything
>>about me right.
>>
>
> I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
> Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
> Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.

What about their audio equipment ? ;-)

[S888Wheel]

Arny said

>
>>> Yes, we've got an experienced outdoorsman here, one who thinks that
>>> canoes are rowed. This really casts doubt on his other claims,
>>> doesn't it?

I said

>
>> No.
>

Arny said

>
>More denial of the obvious.

As if you have any idea what is and is not obvious. You assert your dellusions
as obvious truth. You are disconected with reality.

I said

>
>>Did I claim to be a canoe enthusiast?

Arny said

>
>You claimed at least some trivial level of competence in the out-of-doors.

Hiking you idiot. I claimed to have hiked in New Zealand and in Yosemite. Are
you really so stupid that you think my comments on rowing a canoe has any
bearing on my time spent in New Zealand or Yosemite? Are you really that
delluded?

Arny said

>You blew it!

No, I told the truth. You are clearly delluded.

[S888Wheel]

>
>Check your facts sockpuppet Wheel, courts don't give "judgements"
>

Are you really this stupid Arny? You don't answer I win by default judgement.
Are you this far removed from reality?

[George M. Middius]

S888Wheel said to ****-for-Brains:

> As if you have any idea what is and is not obvious. You assert your dellusions
> as obvious truth. You are disconected with reality.

> Are you really so stupid that you think my comments on rowing a canoe has any
> bearing on my time spent in New Zealand or Yosemite? Are you really that
> delluded?

> No, I told the truth. You are clearly delluded.

I hope this apparently new realization of Krooger's true state is not
going to weaken your resolve because of pity. Even though the Beast's
engine is missing some cylinders, he still needs to be taught a
lesson.

[S888Wheel]

>
>Actually, I own two canoes. Just another example of how Middius can't get
>anything about me right.
>

You are quite the aristocrat.

[Lionel]

George M. Middius wrote:

>
> S888Wheel said to ****-for-Brains:
>
>
>>As if you have any idea what is and is not obvious. You assert your dellusions
>>as obvious truth. You are disconected with reality.
>
>
>>Are you really so stupid that you think my comments on rowing a canoe has any
>>bearing on my time spent in New Zealand or Yosemite? Are you really that
>>delluded?
>
>
>
>>No, I told the truth. You are clearly delluded.
>
>
> I hope this apparently new realization of Krooger's true state is not
> going to weaken your resolve because of pity. Even though the Beast's
> engine is missing some cylinders, he still needs to be taught a
> lesson...
>
>
"...And don't forget that Phillips is waiting for your success before to
sue Krueger. So, be generous Scott !"

LOL!

[S888Wheel]

>
>I hope this apparently new realization of Krooger's true state is not
>going to weaken your resolve because of pity. Even though the Beast's
>engine is missing some cylinders, he still needs to be taught a
>lesson.

Nope. The character gump was an idiot as well. Ary's mallace precludes him from
my pity. Everything is moving forward on the libel lawsuit.

[Powell]

"Lionel" wrote

> >>>Actually, he rents a canoe.
> >>
> >>Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
> >>example of how Middius can't get anything
> >>about me right.
> >>
> >
> > I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
> > Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
> > Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.
>
> What about their audio equipment ? ;-)
>
That would be a shortwave radio. Masting
the 30' dipole might be a challenge :).

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> >> Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
> >> example of how Middius can't get anything
> >> about me right.
> >>
> > I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
> > Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
> > Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.
> > What are you using?
>
> Just 2 plain ole 17' grummies, albeit the lighter
> (66#) ones made with hardened aluminum. I
> bought them in the days when the portaging
> crew was mostly under 16 so durability and
> possible expendability was a big issue. As
> soon as portaging 'em gets to be a problem,
> I'll consider something lighter.
>
I see a Zodiac or Achilles in my future with a
30hp outboard. But unless I can figure out a
way to carry one on the truck I’m not thrilled
about pulling a travel trailer and a boat trailer
at the same time. I could go back to tenting
but I’ve grown accustom to heat, hot water,
shower, microwave, refrigerator and a dry
environment. Oh, and a comfy bed... sex in
a sleeping bag is for the birds :).

[Lionel]

Powell wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>
>
>>>>Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
>>>>example of how Middius can't get anything
>>>>about me right.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
>>>Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
>>>Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.
>>>What are you using?
>>
>>Just 2 plain ole 17' grummies, albeit the lighter
>>(66#) ones made with hardened aluminum. I
>>bought them in the days when the portaging
>>crew was mostly under 16 so durability and
>>possible expendability was a big issue. As
>>soon as portaging 'em gets to be a problem,
>>I'll consider something lighter.
>>
>
> I see a Zodiac or Achilles in my future with a
> 30hp outboard. But unless I can figure out a
> way to carry one on the truck I'm not thrilled
> about pulling a travel trailer and a boat trailer
> at the same time. I could go back to tenting
> but I've grown accustom to heat, hot water,
> shower, microwave, refrigerator and a dry
> environment. Oh, and a comfy bed... sex in
> a sleeping bag is for the birds :).
>
>

In other words it's an insult to KamaSutra.
:)

[George M. Middius]

S888Wheel said:

> >Actually, I own two canoes. Just another example of how Middius can't get
> >anything about me right.

> You are quite the aristocrat.

Unusual rejoinder. On RAO, however, the automatic response is
"Prove it!"

Of course, Krooger cannot prove what is not true.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Powell" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" wrote
> >
> >>> Actually, he rents a canoe.
> >>
> >> Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
> >> example of how Middius can't get anything
> >> about me right.
> >>
> > I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
> > Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
> > Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.
> > What are you using?
>
> Just 2 plain ole 17' grummies, albeit the lighter (66#) ones made with
> hardened aluminum. I bought them in the days when the portaging crew was
> mostly under 16 so durability and possible expendability was a big issue.
As
> soon as portaging 'em gets to be a problem, I'll consider something
lighter.
>


HAW!!!!
Arny takes underage boys on his 'canoe' trips!


Arny takes underage boys




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[Arny Krueger]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Powell" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>>>
>>>>> Actually, he rents a canoe.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I own two canoes. Just another
>>>> example of how Middius can't get anything
>>>> about me right.
>>>>
>>> I have a couple of canoes, too. 17' Sawyer
>>> Solo Summersong in Kevlar and a 17'
>>> Grumman square stern with 3 hp Yamaha.
>>> What are you using?
>>
>> Just 2 plain ole 17' grummies, albeit the lighter (66#) ones made
>> with hardened aluminum. I bought them in the days when the portaging
>> crew was mostly under 16 so durability and possible expendability
>> was a big issue.

> As soon as portaging 'em gets to be a problem, I'll consider something
> lighter.

> HAW!!!!
> Arny takes underage boys on his 'canoe' trips!
>
>
> Arny takes underage boys

Exactly what do you mean by that, sockpuppet Yustabe?

[Powell]

"Lionel" wrote

> > I see a Zodiac or Achilles in my future with a
> > 30hp outboard. But unless I can figure out a
> > way to carry one on the truck I'm not thrilled
> > about pulling a travel trailer and a boat trailer
> > at the same time. I could go back to tenting
> > but I've grown accustom to heat, hot water,
> > shower, microwave, refrigerator and a dry
> > environment. Oh, and a comfy bed... sex in
> > a sleeping bag is for the birds :).
> >
> >
>
> In other words it's an insult to KamaSutra.
> :)
>
A great orgasm usually ends with a metaphor
to radiant energy (God) that is in all of us. An
*Oh-My-God!* ending for two is hard to find in
a mummy bag. Of course that doesn't
discount a solo act, I guess :).

[Lionel]

Powell wrote:

> "Lionel" wrote
>
>
>>>I see a Zodiac or Achilles in my future with a
>>>30hp outboard. But unless I can figure out a
>>>way to carry one on the truck I'm not thrilled
>>>about pulling a travel trailer and a boat trailer
>>>at the same time. I could go back to tenting
>>>but I've grown accustom to heat, hot water,
>>>shower, microwave, refrigerator and a dry
>>>environment. Oh, and a comfy bed... sex in
>>>a sleeping bag is for the birds :).
>>>
>>>
>>
>>In other words it's an insult to KamaSutra.
>>:)
>>
>
> A great orgasm usually ends with a metaphor
> to radiant energy (God) that is in all of us. An
> *Oh-My-God!* ending for two is hard to find in
> a mummy bag. Of course that doesn't
> discount a solo act, I guess :).
>
>
You intelligently prove that !
LOL