Here's a post rejection that one of the RAHE moderators just bragged about:

************* the rejection letter*************


----- Original Message -----
From: "Renaud Dreyer"
To: "Arny Krueger"
Cc: "Bath David"
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: THE AUDIOPHILE PRESS



Le dimanche, 7 sep 2003, à 03:55 US/Pacific, Arny Krueger a écrit :


"Dennis Moore" wrote in message
...

If you wish to buy a CD/SACD/DVD player, are any of them
sonically accurate?

IME just about all of them.

Which don't make the cut, and how do you figure that out?

If I found that every optical disc player that sells for over $100
retail
was sonically accurate, I wouldn't be surprised. Indeed I'm kinda curious
whether the $59 ($39 on sale) DVD players made by Apex are sonically
accurate.

How much even roughly gets you enough
quality not to worry about the quality or accuracy of the signal
the disc player will provide?

The last player I did DBTs on was a Tredex DVD player that I paid $130
for
about 18 months ago. It was sonically accurate - measured pretty good,
too.
A certain high end editor was telling scare stories about DVD players
whose
audio outputs were degraded by the video circuits, at the time.
Ironically,
that problem was found in a high end optical player, not one from the
mid-fi
market. I found from these tests that even cheap mid-fi optical
players can
actually be quite clean, both from the standpoint of listening tests
and
measurements.

Generalizing, what DBT advocates like Tom and I have found is not that
one
needs to do DBTs to choose components, but that since so many of them
in
certain classes (examples optical players, amplifiers) are sonically
accurate, there's no need to do listening tests to choose components in
those classes, once fairly minimal quality levels have been met.

OTOH in other classes of components (say speakers), the general rule
is that
they all sound different, and none of them are sonically accurate.

I believe that Julian Hirsch was one of, or the first person to
publish the
idea that all sonically accurate components must sound alike. This was
back
in the 60s, I think. At this point, it seems pretty obvious.

BTW, I think I've found a new low-water price mark for an active audio
component that is sonically transparent. It is the Radio Shack part
number
330-1109 3-Way Headphone Volume Booster (a kind of power amplifier).
This
device runs off of 2 AA cells and provides 3 amplifier headphone
jacks. I
ran some measurements on it and find that it has approximately 6 dB
gain,
0.003% THD @ 1 KHz full output, approximately 90 dB SNR and frequency
response 20-20 KHz +0, - 0.3 dB. In PCABX testing it appears to be
sonically
accurate when its output is level-matched and drives a resistive load.
It
sells for the princely sum of $22.95. Good for people with iPods that
find
their output on the low side with the third-party headphones they
chose.




Dear r.a.h-e contributor,

Thank you for submitting your post to the newsgroup. However, it
violates the Posting Guidelines, since it contains language that could
be interpreted as inflammatory (introducing blind tests in a non blind
test thread). We will be glad to reconsider your
article if you resubmit it while keeping this in mind. Best regards,

Renaud Dreyer
r-a.h-e moderating team

************* end of the rejection letter*************

The post I was responding to is titled "THE AUDIOPHILE PRESS" and can be
found in google starting with this post:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=NJ...99%40sccrnsc04

Remember that the RAHE moderator specifically claimed that I introduced
blind tests in a non-blind test thread.


Now, here are just a few of the posts in the same thread (according to
google) that mention blind tests:

Notably, the first post in the thread says:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=NJ...99%40sccrnsc04

"What does this mean - DBTs. Audiophiles don't care."

and then...

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=2E...nsc52.op s.as
p.att.net

"With respect to DBTs, I have closely followed discussions about this
topic in this forum for more than 4 years. I believe that all but a
fraction of audiophiles don't care one way or another about DBTs.
Certainly there is nothing wrong at all about being in the minority.
But I have come to the conclusion (for me) that while there may be
useful purposes for DBTs in research and other esoteric applications I
have never seen any illustration in this forum or elsewhere how DBTs
can be of *practical* use to mainstream audiophiles. Audiophiles seem
to love to talk about DBts but won't or can't apply them to the real
world of buying/comparing audio equipment for the purposes of
listening to real music. Even staunch disciples of DBTs that I have
quizzed in this forum over the years don't use DBTs in there audio
equipment purchases even though they may lambast those who believe
DBts to be irrevocably flawed. It's not that they are not principled
with respect to their belief in DBTs. It's that DBTs are not a
practical tool for even zealots who care about them."

and then...

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=V5...49%40rwcrnsc53

"How about the fact that no one has passed a properly conducted DBT on
two cables with similar measurements? I would think that every
mainstream audiophile should find this result very practical."

"Or how about reading that a well-known high-end salesman could not tell,
in a DBT, a Pass amp from a Yamaha integrated amp, even though the the
former costs more than 10 times the latter? Why wouldn't you, as an
audiophile, find that result very interesting and practical?"

"Now you are contradicting yourself. You said that "all but a
fraction of audiophiles don't care one way or another about DBTs", and
then you said audiophiles love to talk about DBT's. Which is it?"

"Why is that strange? There is a difference between not doing a test for
practical reasons, and saying that the test is flawed. No one has been
lambasted for not doing a DBT. One does not have to do a DBT to
understand the principles behind the DBT."

"No one has said that you have to do a DBT to choose equipment."

and then...

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=JH...16%40sccrnsc03

"The reason for Robert Lang's attitude is quite simple.
You assume an unproven hypothesis: ' DBT/ABX is THE proven test for
testing differences in music reproduction between audio components' "

"ABX does not work for me. It does not mean that it does not
work for you. We are all different- we're all "subjective subjects"

"P.S. The remainder of your text quoted below validates that
DBT as a universally applicable audiophile "test"is a belief not a
fact"


--- and many more ----

But, you read it here, according to our friendly neighborhood RAHE modertor,
I'm paranoid and the dozens of other references to DBTs in the thread I
posted to are simply figments of my imagination.

Arny Krueger a écrit :

Here's a post rejection that one of the RAHE moderators just bragged about:

************* the rejection letter*************


----- Original Message -----
From: "Renaud Dreyer"
To: "Arny Krueger"
Cc: "Bath David"
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: THE AUDIOPHILE PRESS



Le dimanche, 7 sep 2003, à 03:55 US/Pacific, Arny Krueger a écrit :

Ooooh a frenchy !
I'm really astonished ! Usually they are much more tolerant !
;-)
Arnold, the ones who leave France to *West-Coast* for studies purpose
are usually snobs, incompetents.
They missed their teenager crisis and gently execute their Dad's
nostalgic-tender-projects... When they come back France they look like
"reactionary hippies" with round glasses ! :-(

Forget him...

Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course ****ing off a
moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe you should apologize to
the moderators and try to follow the rules.

On 09 Sep 2003 16:01:34 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course ****ing off a
moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe you should apologize to
the moderators snip

As if...

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course ****ing
off a
moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe you should
apologize to
the moderators and try to follow the rules.

Sue me!

;-)

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

I said


Just follow the rules and your posts will be accepted. Of course
****ing off a moderator, as you have done, won't help you any. Maybe
you should apologize to the moderators and try to follow the rules.



Arny said


Sue me!

;-)




You have until the 20th.

What sockpuppet Wheel, is that when you go "poof" and blow away?

LOL!

I said



You have until the 20th.



Arny said


What sockpuppet Wheel, is that when you go "poof" and blow away?

LOL!


While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen on the
20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of intent to
sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
I said



You have until the 20th.



Arny said


What sockpuppet Wheel, is that when you go "poof" and blow away?

LOL!


While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen on
the
20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of intent
to
sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.

I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

I said

While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen on
the
20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of intent
to
sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.

Arny said


I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
I said

While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen
on
the
20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of
intent
to
sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.

Arny said


I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

I proud of the other typos I found that I didn't point out, sockpuppet
Wheel.

Could you be more pathetic?

Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.

For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of Michigan about
then. Tell your process server he can find me in or about the Porcupine
Mountains.

I said

While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will happen
on
the
20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of
intent
to
sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.




Arny said


I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how to
capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.



I said



Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.



Arny said




Could you be more pathetic?



Certianly! You have set quite a standard for pathetic. Care to diagram this
sentnence of yours from another post?
"Apparenly more than you can tell lies about, sockpuppet North."


Arny said





Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.

For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of Michigan about
then. Tell your process server he can find me in or about the Porcupine
Mountains.


Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:09:23 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.

Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or audio
equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of Cat-5 and coax
passing through.

Both of which could be considered "computer equipment": (if someone
else were making the above claim, this is what Arnold would likely
say).

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:09:23 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.

Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or
audio equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of
Cat-5 and coax passing through.

Both of which could be considered "computer equipment": (if someone
else were making the above claim, this is what Arnold would likely
say).

Just goes to show that Weil is so desperate to pick nits that he'll claim I
made an error when I anticipate his weirdness and explain it in advance.

BTW, I do have audio equipment in the basement when the Nomad is on my
person.

LOL!

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:33:30 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:09:23 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.

Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or
audio equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of
Cat-5 and coax passing through.

Both of which could be considered "computer equipment": (if someone
else were making the above claim, this is what Arnold would likely
say).

Just goes to show that Weil is so desperate to pick nits that he'll claim I
made an error when I anticipate his weirdness and explain it in advance.

No, just using your behavior as an example.

BTW, I do have audio equipment in the basement when the Nomad is on my
person.

A strap-on, eh?

dave weil said to ****-for-Brains:

BTW, I do have audio equipment in the basement when the Nomad is on my
person.

A strap-on, eh?

LOL! (Because it's funny, Arnii.)

Of course Krooger doesn't use the equipment to stimulate the Kroobitch
-- he just wants to drown her out.

I said


Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.


Arny said


Shows how little you know, sockpuppet Wheel. I have no computer or audio
equipment of any kind in my basement. Just some pieces of Cat-5 and coax
passing through.



Prove it

The RAHE moderator never bounced my posts, even when my ISP spat
up everything for a week about 8-9 months ago.

Something else must be at work, Arny.

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message


The RAHE moderator never bounced my posts, even when my ISP spat
up everything for a week about 8-9 months ago.

Something else must be at work, Arny.

Exactly.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

Something else must be at work, Arny.

Pedophilia?

LN

--
"I'm well-despised around here." A. Dimbulb Krooger (make that
"everywhere")

In article ,
Joseph Oberlander wrote:

The RAHE moderator never bounced my posts, even when my ISP spat
up everything for a week about 8-9 months ago.

I had a couple of posts bounced when I had a typo in my email address. I
was approved again as soon as I fixed the problem.

Something else must be at work, Arny.

You're special.

Stephen

Arny Krueger a écrit :

But, you read it here, according to our friendly neighborhood RAHE modertor,
I'm paranoid and the dozens of other references to DBTs in the thread I
posted to are simply figments of my imagination.



I read this on RAHE :

"I've often thought that if we eliminated (primarily because they've
become too predictable and boring) the discussions that invariably
devolve into DBT debates, ie. cables, equipment "burn-in", amplifiers,
green pens, etc., there would be precious few threads worth following."

Predictables and boring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arnold, change your name, your address, your face I don't know but they
desperatly need you !

Thank for them,
Lionel

"Lionel Chapuis" wrote in message

Arny Krueger a écrit :

But, you read it here, according to our friendly neighborhood RAHE
modertor, I'm paranoid and the dozens of other references to DBTs in
the thread I posted to are simply figments of my imagination.



I read this on RAHE :

"I've often thought that if we eliminated (primarily because they've
become too predictable and boring) the discussions that invariably
devolve into DBT debates, ie. cables, equipment "burn-in", amplifiers,
green pens, etc., there would be precious few threads worth
following."

Predictable and boring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arnold, change your name, your address, your face I don't know but
they desperately need you !

Thanks for the good thoughts, but the comments following that post seem to
be just fine to me.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
I said

While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will
happen
on
the
20th. If you can't remeber then I suggest you review the letter of
intent
to
sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter on RAO.




Arny said


I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned how
to
capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.



I said



Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.



Arny said




Could you be more pathetic?



Certianly! You have set quite a standard for pathetic. Care to diagram
this
sentnence of yours from another post?
"Apparenly more than you can tell lies about, sockpuppet North."


Arny said





Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.

For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of Michigan
about
then. Tell your process server he can find me in or about the Porcupine
Mountains.


Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.


The 20th has come and gone. What's the next non-move?

"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message


"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...

I said

While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will
happen on the
20th. If you can't remember then I suggest you review the letter
of intent to sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter
on RAO.

Arny said

I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned
how to capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.

I said

Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

Fact of the matter Sockpuppet Wheel's incompetent writing and nonstandard
post formatting is a cross that all who try to respond to him have to bear.
I suspect that he's a sadist who sits back and laughs at people who try to
make sense out of what he posts. Either that, or he's mentally incompetent,
probably suffering with the heartbreak of senile dementia.

Arny said

Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.

For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of
Michigan about then. Tell your process server he can find me in or
about the Porcupine Mountains.

Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.

On September 20th I was as promised, camping in Michigan's Porcupine
Mountain Wilderness Park. To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
Little Escarpment River.

The 20th has come and gone. What's the next non-move?

It looks to me like Sockpuppet Wheel is preparing to walk into a trap I've
set for him. If he does what says he plans, he could well be walking into
formal charges for mail fraud. I'm tired of screwing around with his
weirdness.

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

Fact of the matter Sockpuppet Wheel's incompetent
writing... I suspect that he's a sadist who sits back
and laughs at people who try to make sense out of
what he posts. Either that, or he's mentally incompetent,
probably suffering with the heartbreak of senile
dementia.

Hypocrite, remove the timber from your own
eye first.

The 20th has come and gone. What's the next
non-move?

It looks to me like Sockpuppet Wheel is preparing
to walk into a trap I've set for him.

Hehehe... oh, that’s really scary!

I said

While I'm sure you wish this were the case, that isn't what will
happen on the
20th. If you can't remember then I suggest you review the letter
of intent to sue that i sent you or review the post of the letter
on RAO.


Arny said

I don't take threats seriously from people who haven't yet learned
how to capitalize their writing anywhere near properly.


I said

Wow, you found a typo. You must feel very proud.

Arny said

Fact of the matter Sockpuppet Wheel's incompetent writing and nonstandard
post formatting is a cross that all who try to respond to him have to bear.
I suspect that he's a sadist who sits back and laughs at people who try to
make sense out of what he posts. Either that, or he's mentally incompetent,
probably suffering with the heartbreak of senile dementia.

A fine example of your hypocrisy. You are quite a "character" Arny. What was it
you said you excel at in life? Oh yeah, nothing. No doubt, as you say, you are
not the sharpest knife in the drawer.


Arny said

Yes, after Sept 20 you will be even more pathetic sockpuppet Wheel.



For the record I hope to be on vacation in the north woods of
Michigan about then. Tell your process server he can find me in or
about the Porcupine Mountains.


I said


Right. you'll still be in your basement in your underwear as usual.


Arny said


On September 20th I was as promised, camping in Michigan's Porcupine
Mountain Wilderness Park. To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
Little Escarpment River.

That's nice, another fool was crapping in the woods.

Mikey said


The 20th has come and gone. What's the next non-move?

I guess you haven't been paying attention Mike.

Arny said


It looks to me like Sockpuppet Wheel is preparing to walk into a trap I've
set for him.

Scary. Taking a default judgement is a brilliant trap. Wile E. Coyote would be
proud of your strategy.

Arny said

If he does what says he plans, he could well be walking into
formal charges for mail fraud.

I did exactly what i daid I would do. You cannot be any more clueless. Mail
fraud? Are you really that stupid? Call up the postmaster general and tell him
someone sent you a letter of intent to sue and then he sued you. I can hear the
response right now.

Arny said

I'm tired of screwing around with his
weirdness.

Well know you can "screw around" with a real lawsuit on your hands.

S888Wheel said to ****-for-Brains:

No doubt, as you say, you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Krooger is so dull, no steel made by human hands will have anything
to do with him.

"S888Wheel" wrote

On September 20th I was as promised, camping
in Michigan's Porcupine Mountain Wilderness Park.
To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
Little Escarpment River.

That's nice, another fool was crapping in the woods.

What outside life experiences have you had that
stand comparable muster?

What outside life experiences have you had that
stand comparable muster?


I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and the many day trips into the
natural wonders on my visit to New Zealand were probably vastly superior
experiences. that's afew off the top of my head. This is , of course, where
Arny jumps in claiming I am a liar and asking for proof that he would never
accpet were it presented.

I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and the many day trips into the
natural wonders on my visit to New Zealand were probably vastly superior
experiences. that's afew off the top of my head. This is , of course, where
Arny jumps in claiming I am a liar and asking for proof that he would never
accpet were it presented.






Will Arny find this last typo as another personal victory? The word is accept.

"S888Wheel" wrote

What outside life experiences have you had that
stand comparable muster?


I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and
the many day trips into the natural wonders
on my visit to New Zealand were probably
vastly superior experiences.

Well, its up to you, but you might cut Arny some
slack on wilderness experiences. I’ve canoed
some of the same Canadian waters as he.
Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
and danger cannot be avoided. In this world
you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper .

Powell said


What outside life experiences have you had that
stand comparable muster?


I said


I think my time spent hiking in Yosemite and
the many day trips into the natural wonders
on my visit to New Zealand were probably
vastly superior experiences.

Yes it is up to me to decide for myself what makes for the better out door
experiences. I don't need your permission. I'll take the outdoors in New
Zealand and Yosemite over Michigan every time.

Powell said

but you might cut Arny some
slack on wilderness experiences.

I think I did.

Powell said

Ive canoed
some of the same Canadian waters as he.
Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
and danger cannot be avoided.

Wow a regular thrill seeker. If you or Arny want to impress me with your
wilderness adventures go climb Everest or something else with a serious
risk.Arny's trip to the woods does not impress me.

Powell said

In this world
you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper .


As if you know jack about me. Rambo wannabe.

"S888Wheel" wrote

I've canoed
some of the same Canadian waters as he.
Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
and danger cannot be avoided.

Wow a regular thrill seeker. If you or Arny
want to impress me with your wilderness
adventures go climb Everest or something
else with a serious risk.Arny's trip to the
woods does not impress me.

Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"


In this world
you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper .

As if you know jack about me. Rambo wannabe.

Quack, quack, quack...

Powell said


I've canoed
some of the same Canadian waters as he.
Mistakes in judgement can kill you in minutes
and danger cannot be avoided.


I said

Wow a regular thrill seeker. If you or Arny
want to impress me with your wilderness
adventures go climb Everest or something
else with a serious risk.Arny's trip to the
woods does not impress me.

Powell said


Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"

Really what? Is this the result of some learning disability? Did I say I am a
risk taker? I think people who climb Everest are fools. You were bragging about
being some weekend wilderness Rambo guy. I was simply pointing out that your
river rides in Cananda don't impress me. Fools tak serious risks on purpose
IMO. Do you want to brag about some foolish outdoorsmanship? go ahead. come up
with something better than rowing a canoe please.

Powell said


In this world
you can't pull your own weight, mr. Day Tripper .


I said


As if you know jack about me. Rambo wannabe.


Powell said


Quack, quack, quack...


That is truely the most inteligent thing I have ever seen you post. Keep
developing and some day you will realize how pathetic your tales of rowing a
canoe really are.

S888Wheel said:

Quack, quack, quack...

That is truely the most inteligent thing I have ever seen you post. Keep
developing and some day you will realize how pathetic your tales of rowing a
canoe really are.


Powie quacks a lot. Outside of his occasional post about audio,
nobody has any luck making sense of his inane nattering.

"Powell" wrote in message
...

"S888Wheel" wrote

On September 20th I was as promised, camping
in Michigan's Porcupine Mountain Wilderness Park.
To be more exact I was camped on the banks of the
Little Escarpment River.

That's nice, another fool was crapping in the woods.

What outside life experiences have you had that
stand comparable muster?

Warning - sockpuppet Wheel is a sockpuppet, and thus he can drop any names
and/or make up any events he wishes.

"Powell" wrote in message
...


Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"

Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"Powell" wrote in message
...


Really, I'm all ears. What empirical experiences
do you have with "serious risk, Scott?"

Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!



Really?
I didn't know that Scott was selling anything by mail.




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Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!


Yeah, right.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
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Let's start with risk of prosecution for mail fraud!


Yeah, right.

Your gun, your bullet, your foot.