Does Stereophile Really Want The Kroomel's Nose In Its Tent?

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Well, do they? Sooner or later all the Kroomel will be in the tent and
its incessant farting will drive everyone else out.

[Mike McKelvy]

Well, do they? Sooner or later all the Kroomel will be in the tent and
its incessant farting will drive everyone else out.

The only people who can lose are the deluded ones, the KoolAid drinking

members of the SP great unwashed. The ones who have an open mind and
are
willing to learn why some if not all of the reviews and recommendations
in
SP are not worth the paper they are printed on.

For all his faults in the area of his internet persona, I'd rather get
advice from Arny and Tom than from anyone else on RAO.

He may not be prefect, he may even make a few technical mistakes and
occasionally disagree with people like Dick Pierce, but in general his
knowledge is on the money, something you certainly can't say.

Given the crap that's been dished out from some of the real pigs on
this
board, Arny has and I'm sure will continue to be a constant source of
good
advice and will continue to be attacked for it, because he doesn't have
any
reason to back off.

[Robert Morein]

"Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Well, do they? Sooner or later all the Kroomel will be in the tent and
> its incessant farting will drive everyone else out.
>
> The only people who can lose are the deluded ones, the KoolAid drinking
>
> members of the SP great unwashed. The ones who have an open mind and
> are
> willing to learn why some if not all of the reviews and recommendations
> in
> SP are not worth the paper they are printed on.
>
> For all his faults in the area of his internet persona, I'd rather get
> advice from Arny and Tom than from anyone else on RAO.
>
> He may not be prefect, he may even make a few technical mistakes and
> occasionally disagree with people like Dick Pierce, but in general his
> knowledge is on the money, something you certainly can't say.
>
> Given the crap that's been dished out from some of the real pigs on
> this
> board, Arny has and I'm sure will continue to be a constant source of
> good
> advice and will continue to be attacked for it, because he doesn't have
> any
> reason to back off.
>
Arny has given some good advice.
He knows quite afew things.
Unfortunately, he thinks he knows more than he does, including a few things
that are inimical to this hobby, such as "all properly operating amplifiers
sound the same."
Arny is like a little ayatollah. He wants to sweep away the corruption and
deception that characterizes some of the high end, but he fails to see that
there is much of that edifice that legitimately provides enjoyment, even if
the modalities elude him.

In Stalinist Russia, one could walk the streets of Moscow at midnight
without fear.
The price of freedom is that one can no longer do that.
Imagine for a moment that Arny achieved his wish to sterilize the high end,
in such a way that no one could be cheated by his imagination, protected
from that danger by universal adoption of ABX before every purchase.
Imagine also that Arny's occasional wish that individuals without ABX
experience were denied the right to voice their opinions.
Would we be better off, listening to our remaining choices?
Imagine a gathering of hifi enthusiasts, at a wine & cheese gathering, their
lips sealed against idle chatter, at the order of Arny Krueger, who forbade
them to voice their subjective opinions.
Or perhaps, Arny would give permission for these opinions to be voiced,
provided that those who hear them agree to receive a memory-erasing drug
before auditioning prospective equipment via ABX.

This is Arny's universe. He believes certain things, and has made it his
mission to spread his gospel. He is the missionary of a new hifi religion,
and all those who disagree are denigrated by Arny because they are obstacles
to the adoption of his belief system. Islam calls these nonbelievers
"infidels."
Perhaps Arny would call them "low fidels".

[Arny Krueger]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message


> Arny has given some good advice.

Thank you.

> He knows quite a few things.

Thank you.

> Unfortunately, he thinks he knows more than he does, including a few
> things that are inimical to this hobby, such as "all properly
> operating amplifiers sound the same."

The claim that proven science such as "all properly operating amplifiers
sound the same." is harmful or unfriendly to the audio hobby would depend on
how you define the audio hobby.

If you define the audio hobby as lusting over magical amplifiers and pride
in having acquired them, then of course Bob's claim is true.

If you define the audio hobby as owning and enjoying the use of the
best-sounding audio system(s) that you reasonably have the time and money to
acquire, then proven science is your friend.

> Arny is like a little ayatollah. He wants to sweep away the
> corruption and deception that characterizes some of the high end, but
> he fails to see that there is much of that edifice that legitimately
> provides enjoyment, even if the modalities elude him.]

To secular minds, the ayatollahs are problematical because they want to
replace what they perceive to be a corrupt system (ours) with what we as
western secular people perceive to be a corrupt and inefficient system
(theirs).

Bob has failed to show how following proven science (itself a very secular
and modern concept) is corrupt.

> In Stalinist Russia, one could walk the streets of Moscow at midnight
> without fear.

Not true at all. Stalin murdered 29 million of my ancestors in 1925-1939.
Only one of my great-uncles of over a dozen who remained in the USSR appear
to have survived or died a natural death. The three plus my grandfather who
emigrated to the US prior to WW1 either survive or died natural deaths at a
reasonable age.

> The price of freedom is that one can no longer do that.

Exactly how free Russia really is, is controversial.


> Imagine for a moment that Arny achieved his wish to sterilize the
> high end, in such a way that no one could be cheated by his
> imagination, protected from that danger by universal adoption of ABX
> before every purchase.

That ABX would be directly involved in the purchase process would be a myth.
I've recently explained here why this is so in some detail. I feel no need
to repeat myself.

> Imagine also that Arny's occasional wish that
> individuals without ABX experience were denied the right to voice
> their opinions.

This would be another myth. Unlike Russia today, the US has practically
universal free speech. Anbody can post whatever opinions they want. In fact
what Bob seems to want to do is take the right of free speech away from ABX
proponents.

> Would we be better off, listening to our remaining choices?

Listen as you will, spend your money as you will, fantasize over whatever
you will. However, if you want to have the best possible sounding audio
system given the amount of time and money you have to invest, you might want
to listen to me.

> Imagine a gathering of hifi enthusiasts, at a wine & cheese
> gathering, their lips sealed against idle chatter, at the order of
> Arny Krueger, who forbade them to voice their subjective opinions.

This is a weird fantasy. Even at SMWTMS people say what they will. There are
not roving bands of proctors who monitor every conversation to ensure that
only ABX-politically-correct things are said. If that's how life is in the
midst of a well-known hot bed of ABX advocacy (Clark, Nousaine, Krueger,
Carlstrom all present!) what does that say about the rest of the world?

> Or perhaps, Arny would give permission for these opinions to be
> voiced, provided that those who hear them agree to receive a
> memory-erasing drug before auditioning prospective equipment via ABX.

More balderdash.

> This is Arny's universe.

No, this is Bob's weird fantasy, regrettably not the only one in his life.

>He believes certain things, and has made it
> his mission to spread his gospel.

I've got some opinoins, and from time to time I take the time to type them
into a computer. Bob seems to have a real problem with that!

> He is the missionary of a new hifi religion,

Actually, if objectivism is my religion, that has been around perhaps even
longer than subjectivism.

>and all those who disagree are denigrated by Arny because
> they are obstacles to the adoption of his belief system.

The world is a marketplace of ideas. People pick and choose the ones they
like. Bob doesn't like mine so he makes up little fantasies about them, and
promotes them as being revealed truth. Well, guess what. Bob's selling his
ideas on the same marketplace as I do. The playing field seems to be
perfectly level.

> Islam calls these nonbelievers "infidels."
> Perhaps Arny would call them "low fidels".

It is true that believing the anti-scientific propositions widely circulated
by the high end ragazines and web sites are a proven route to suboptimal
fidelity, all things considered.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

>
> Not true at all. Stalin murdered 29 million of my ancestors in 1925-1939.
> Only one of my great-uncles of over a dozen who remained in the USSR
> appear
> to have survived or died a natural death. The three plus my grandfather
> who
> emigrated to the US prior to WW1 either survive or died natural deaths at
> a
> reasonable age.
>

What 29 million of your ancestors? What nationality and ethnic group are
you talking about? Are you Russian or Ukranian?




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[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...

>> Not true at all. Stalin murdered 29 million of my ancestors in
>> 1925-1939. Only one of my great-uncles of over a dozen who remained
>> in the USSR appears to have survived or died a natural death. The three
plus my
>> grandfather who emigrated to the US prior to WW1 either survive or died
natural
>> deaths at a reasonable age.

> What 29 million of your ancestors? What nationality and ethnic group
> are you talking about? Are you Russian or Ukranian?

I am descended from Germans who emigrated to Russia during the reign of
Catherine the Great, and spent several generations in the Ukraine. They also
spend some time in Siberia, Moscow and other places.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>>> Not true at all. Stalin murdered 29 million of my ancestors in
>>> 1925-1939. Only one of my great-uncles of over a dozen who remained
>>> in the USSR appears to have survived or died a natural death. The three
> plus my
>>> grandfather who emigrated to the US prior to WW1 either survive or died
> natural
>>> deaths at a reasonable age.
>
>> What 29 million of your ancestors? What nationality and ethnic group
>> are you talking about? Are you Russian or Ukranian?
>
> I am descended from Germans who emigrated to Russia during the reign of
> Catherine the Great, and spent several generations in the Ukraine. They
> also
> spend some time in Siberia, Moscow and other places.
>
>

29 million of those ethnic Germans caught up in Stalin's genocide? I thought
his total for
all of the extinguished humanity was about 32 million. I certainly don't
doubt it happened, I am just surprised by your number. At any rate, it was
horrible. Fortunately, my parents escaped during the Lenin era. I am
a half Ukrainian, half Belarusian Jew



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Stalin was really rough on the ethnic Germans that lived in the
Ukraine and Russia, of course Hitler was equally stupid with the
Ukranians who would have been his allies. The fact is that had Hitler,
Stalin and Roosevelt all been shot it would have saved us all a lot of
misery even today as the effects reverberate on yet. Kroo is one of
those effects.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com

> Stalin was really rough on the ethnic Germans that lived in the
> Ukraine and Russia, of course Hitler was equally stupid with the
> Ukranians who would have been his allies. The fact is that had Hitler,
> Stalin and Roosevelt all been shot it would have saved us all a lot of
> misery even today as the effects reverberate on yet. Kroo is one of
> those effects.

you forgot Mao.

The three leading perps of genocide in the 20th century were:

1. Mao
2. Stalin
3. Hitler

in that order.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
>
>> Stalin was really rough on the ethnic Germans that lived in the
>> Ukraine and Russia, of course Hitler was equally stupid with the
>> Ukranians who would have been his allies. The fact is that had Hitler,
>> Stalin and Roosevelt all been shot it would have saved us all a lot of
>> misery even today as the effects reverberate on yet. Kroo is one of
>> those effects.
>
> you forgot Mao.
>
> The three leading perps of genocide in the 20th century were:
>
> 1. Mao
> 2. Stalin
> 3. Hitler
>
> in that order.
>
>



Stalin approx. 23 million
Hitler approx 11 million
(figures per http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/20thcen.htm)

Stalin approx 13 million (purges only, not including Ukraine/Kulaks,
another 6 million starved)
Hitler approx 12 million
Mao` aprox 11 million (cultural Revolution only, other cauises not
included)
(figures per http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html)
Mao



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[Mike McKelvy]

Robert Morein Feb 23, 11:24 pm

>Arny has given some good advice.
>He knows quite afew things.
>Unfortunately, he thinks he knows more than he does, including a few
>things
>that are inimical to this hobby, such as "all properly operating
>amplifiers
>sound the same."

So it's bad to tell the truth.

>Arny is like a little ayatollah. He wants to sweep away the corruption
>and
>deception that characterizes some of the high end,

And that's wrong because.......?

but he fails to see >that
>there is much of that edifice that legitimately provides enjoyment,
even >if
>the modalities elude him.

So if people know that they are spending extra money on cosmetics and
not sound quality, what will happen?

>In Stalinist Russia, one could walk the streets of Moscow at
>midnight
>without fear.
>The price of freedom is that one can no longer do that.

In Stalinist Russia, I odubt you would be allowed to make overpriced
Hi-Fi gear that didn't preform any better than regular priced gear.
You'd be in a Gulag.

>Imagine for a moment that Arny achieved his wish to sterilize the high
>end,
>in such a way that no one could be cheated by his imagination,
>protected
>from that danger by universal adoption of ABX before every purchase.
>Imagine also that Arny's occasional wish that individuals without ABX
>experience were denied the right to voice their opinions.

I'd reather imagine a world where those who criticised him, didn't find
it neccessary to mischaracterize his words, like you seem to do.

>Imagine a gathering of hifi enthusiasts, at a wine & cheese gathering,
>their
>lips sealed against idle chatter, at the order of Arny Krueger, who
>forbade
>them to voice their subjective opinions.

Or better yet, Imagine RAO without the usual gang of liar and idiots.

>Or perhaps, Arny would give permission for these opinions to be
>voiced,
>provided that those who hear them agree to receive a memory-erasing
>drug
>before auditioning prospective equipment via ABX.

Bull**** analogy noted.

>This is Arny's universe. He believes certain things, and has made it
his
>mission to spread his gospel.

MOre like these are the facts, why don't you learn them?

He is the missionary of a new hifi >religion,

Religion is based on faith, like the reviews in SP. Like the views of
people who don't understand that the law of identity is still
applicable to hi-fi.


>and all those who disagree are denigrated by Arny because they are
>obstacles
>to the adoption of his belief system. Islam calls these nonbelievers
>"infidels."
>Perhaps Arny would call them "low fidels".

And the demonstrable facts are that all properly fucntioning amplifiers
tend to sound alike. Of course if you have any non-anecdotal evidence
to the contrary, please post it. Or do you simply prefer to be the
lying asshole you just showed yourself to be?

[Robert Morein]

"Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Robert Morein Feb 23, 11:24 pm
>
[snip]
>Or do you simply prefer to be the
> lying asshole you just showed yourself to be?
>
No, I envy your talent in that direction. I want to emulate you.

[Robert Morein]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>
> > Arny has given some good advice.
>
> Thank you.
>
> > He knows quite a few things.
>
> Thank you.
>
> > Unfortunately, he thinks he knows more than he does, including a few
> > things that are inimical to this hobby, such as "all properly
> > operating amplifiers sound the same."
>
> The claim that proven science such as "all properly operating amplifiers
> sound the same." is harmful or unfriendly to the audio hobby would depend
on
> how you define the audio hobby.
>
You are on record as an apparently satisfied user of QSC amplifiers:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/00808ae3c755cd90

Since this amplifier has at best a very mediocre presentation, it indicates
that you have a hearing problem. To entrust resolution of the question "Do
all properly operating amplifiers sound the same?" to you is akin to study
of color perception by a colorblind scientist. All the alleged rigors of a
supposedly scientific method must not be in conflict with observations that
are plain to those who can hear them.

Rather than recapitulate, I refer you to
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/fc466aaeaab9eb28.

Psychologists have discovered that appreciation of music does not correlate
with IQ.
More generally rephrased, how much one enjoys an activity need not be
related to one's talent at it. I strongly suspect that something about your
ear-brain system is sufficiently unremarkable that many people outrank you
in acuity. Even if we suppose that you rank in the 80th percentile of
hearing perception, that leaves substantial numbers of individuals who may
detect and prefer qualities of which you are unaware.

If you were a perfect scientist, then, perhaps you would be able to surmount
your perceptual difficulties with scientific rigor. In reality, few people
are perfect scientists. Some are good, yet unbiased and uncertain. Others
are not so good, yet exhibit an undue confidence in their beliefs.
Unfortunately, you belong to this category.

If it's any consolation, you have lots of company.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :

> Fortunately, my parents escaped during the Lenin era.

*Fortunately* ???????

I am very surprised that your family have fled during Lenin era.
It would have been more honorable to fight and to die in an
heroic resistance, no ?
A lot of courageous people have fought the communisn, why
not your parents ?

Anyway it's an interesting revelation from a guy who uses to
mock the French behaviour during the WWII.
This tells tons about your conception of honesty, Sackman.

Thank you.

[Clyde Slick]

"Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> And the demonstrable facts are that all properly fucntioning amplifiers
> tend to sound alike. Of course if you have any non-anecdotal evidence
> to the contrary, please post it. Or do you simply prefer to be the
> lying asshole you just showed yourself to be?
>

Wrong! your evidence is also anecdotal.



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[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>
>> Fortunately, my parents escaped during the Lenin era.
>
> *Fortunately* ???????
>
> I am very surprised that your family have fled during Lenin era.
> It would have been more honorable to fight and to die in an heroic
> resistance, no ?
> A lot of courageous people have fought the communisn, why not your parents
> ?
>
> Anyway it's an interesting revelation from a guy who uses to mock the
> French behaviour during the WWII.
> This tells tons about your conception of honesty, Sackman.
>
> Thank you.

Idiot



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[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>
>>> Stalin was really rough on the ethnic Germans that lived in the
>>> Ukraine and Russia, of course Hitler was equally stupid with the
>>> Ukranians who would have been his allies. The fact is that had
>>> Hitler, Stalin and Roosevelt all been shot it would have saved us
>>> all a lot of misery even today as the effects reverberate on yet.
>>> Kroo is one of those effects.
>>
>> you forgot Mao.
>>
>> The three leading perps of genocide in the 20th century were:
>>
>> 1. Mao
>> 2. Stalin
>> 3. Hitler
>>
>> in that order.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Stalin approx. 23 million
> Hitler approx 11 million
> (figures per http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/20thcen.htm)
>
> Stalin approx 13 million (purges only, not including
> Ukraine/Kulaks,
> another 6 million starved)
> Hitler approx 12 million
> Mao` aprox 11 million (cultural Revolution only, other cauises not
> included)
> (figures per http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html)
> Mao

I can pick sources too:

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/mao.htm

"Kill tally: 14 to 20 million deaths from starvation during the 'Great Leap
Forward'. Tens of thousands killed and millions of lives ruined during the
'Cultural Revolution'. "

[Arny Krueger]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Arny has given some good advice.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> He knows quite a few things.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> Unfortunately, he thinks he knows more than he does, including a few
>>> things that are inimical to this hobby, such as "all properly
>>> operating amplifiers sound the same."
>>
>> The claim that proven science such as "all properly operating
>> amplifiers sound the same." is harmful or unfriendly to the audio
>> hobby would depend on how you define the audio hobby.
>>
> You are on record as an apparently satisfied user of QSC amplifiers:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/00808ae3c755cd90
>
> Since this amplifier has at best a very mediocre presentation, it
> indicates that you have a hearing problem.

OSAF.

Tell us what kind of scores you get in DBTs with the files posted at

http://64.41.69.21/product/usa-850/index.htm


Oops, Krytonite!

[Robert Morein]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
[snip]
>
> OSAF.
>
> Tell us what kind of scores you get in DBTs with the files posted at
>
> http://64.41.69.21/product/usa-850/index.htm
>
>
> Oops, Krytonite!
>
It is quite irrelevant whether my hearing is acute or not, since I have not
appointed myself the job of telling people what they cannot hear.

And the "science" is ridiculous.

[Arny Krueger]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> [snip]
>>
>> OSAF.
>>
>> Tell us what kind of scores you get in DBTs with the files posted at
>>
>> http://64.41.69.21/product/usa-850/index.htm
>>
>>
>> Oops, Krytonite!
>>
> It is quite irrelevant whether my hearing is acute or not, since I
> have not appointed myself the job of telling people what they cannot
> hear.

That's a hoot, Bob. you are the same Robert Morien who posted the following,
right?

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message


"You are on record as an apparently satisfied user of QSC amplifiers:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/00808ae3c755cd90"

"Since this amplifier has at best a very mediocre presentation, it indicates
that you have a hearing problem."

Please post again when can you stand behind what you posted, just a few
hours ago!

[[email protected]]

I think Pol Pot earned at least an honorable mention as well.

[[email protected]]

>>And the demonstrable facts are that all properly fucntioning
amplifiers
tend to sound alike

Well, they tend to. Of course my Volkswagens "tended to" run before I
Americanized them, then they did.

[Robert Morein]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > [snip]
> >>
> >> OSAF.
> >>
> >> Tell us what kind of scores you get in DBTs with the files posted at
> >>
> >> http://64.41.69.21/product/usa-850/index.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> Oops, Krytonite!
> >>
> > It is quite irrelevant whether my hearing is acute or not, since I
> > have not appointed myself the job of telling people what they cannot
> > hear.
>
> That's a hoot, Bob. you are the same Robert Morien who posted the
following,
> right?
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>
> "You are on record as an apparently satisfied user of QSC amplifiers:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/00808ae3c755cd90"
>
> "Since this amplifier has at best a very mediocre presentation, it
indicates
> that you have a hearing problem."
>
> Please post again when can you stand behind what you posted, just a few
> hours ago!
>
This is getting really good. We've turned down the thermostat and I'm
feeling warm :)

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com
>>>
>>>> Stalin was really rough on the ethnic Germans that lived in the
>>>> Ukraine and Russia, of course Hitler was equally stupid with the
>>>> Ukranians who would have been his allies. The fact is that had
>>>> Hitler, Stalin and Roosevelt all been shot it would have saved us
>>>> all a lot of misery even today as the effects reverberate on yet.
>>>> Kroo is one of those effects.
>>>
>>> you forgot Mao.
>>>
>>> The three leading perps of genocide in the 20th century were:
>>>
>>> 1. Mao
>>> 2. Stalin
>>> 3. Hitler
>>>
>>> in that order.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stalin approx. 23 million
>> Hitler approx 11 million
>> (figures per http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/20thcen.htm)
>>
>> Stalin approx 13 million (purges only, not including
>> Ukraine/Kulaks,
>> another 6 million starved)
>> Hitler approx 12 million
>> Mao` aprox 11 million (cultural Revolution only, other cauises not
>> included)
>> (figures per http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html)
>> Mao
>
> I can pick sources too:
>
> http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/mao.htm
>
> "Kill tally: 14 to 20 million deaths from starvation during the 'Great
> Leap
> Forward'. Tens of thousands killed and millions of lives ruined during the
> 'Cultural Revolution'. "
>

Arny, I just stated what I found, as it was, the two I found were
conflicting.
I am not arguing any point here, other than I didn't find any
reference to 26,000,000 Germanic Ukranians exterminated by Stalin.



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[Clyde Slick]

> wrote in message
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>I think Pol Pot earned at least an honorable mention as well.
>

an also ran at 2 million



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[Mike McKelvy]

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"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message


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> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>

> > Arny has given some good advice.


> Thank you.


> > He knows quite a few things.


> Thank you.


> > Unfortunately, he thinks he knows more than he does, including a
few
> > things that are inimical to this hobby, such as "all properly
> > operating amplifiers sound the same."


> The claim that proven science such as "all properly operating
amplifiers
> sound the same." is harmful or unfriendly to the audio hobby would
depend
on
> how you define the audio hobby.



You are on record as an apparently satisfied user of QSC amplifiers:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/00808ae3c755cd90


Since this amplifier has at best a very mediocre presentation, it
indicates
that you have a hearing problem.

The above statement indicates you have a problem with honesty. The USA
series of amps are very well known for being both great amps but also
for being great bargains.

To entrust resolution of the question "Do
all properly operating amplifiers sound the same?" to you is akin to
study
of color perception by a colorblind scientist. All the alleged rigors
of a
supposedly scientific method must not be in conflict with observations
that
are plain to those who can hear them.


And you have what evidence that the USA amp in question sounds
different from what other amps?
What blind comparisons have you done with this amp?
What blind comparisons have you done on any amps?
When will you stop confusing anecdotes with evidence?

[Mike McKelvy]

Morein opined:

It is quite irrelevant whether my hearing is acute or not, since I have
not
appointed myself the job of telling people what they cannot hear.

It's quite clear, Robert, that your views on amps are irrelevant.


And the "science" is ridiculous

Cetianly your lack of scientific discipline is.

[Mike McKelvy]

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"Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message


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> Robert Morein Feb 23, 11:24 pm

[snip]
>Or do you simply prefer to be the
> lying asshole you just showed yourself to be?



No, I envy your talent in that direction. I want to emulate you.

Showing that you have any talent for anything would be a start.
Note: Lengthy court battles for something you were guaranteed notto win
don't count.

[Mike McKelvy]

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>>And the demonstrable facts are that all properly fucntioning
amplifiers
tend to sound alike


Well, they tend to. Of course my Volkswagens "tended to" run before I
Americanized them, then they did.

And your list of DBT's of amps is where exactly?

The fact still remains that amps that operate within their range, IOW
not clipping do not sound "different" from other amps doing the same.
Check Google for the record of Steve Zipser being embarrassed at not
being able to distinguish a Yamaha integrated amp from a pair of his
own reference monoblocks.

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Mike McKelvy wrote:
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> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>
> > Robert Morein Feb 23, 11:24 pm
>
> [snip]
> >Or do you simply prefer to be the
> > lying asshole you just showed yourself to be?
>
>
>
> No, I envy your talent in that direction. I want to emulate you.
>
> Showing that you have any talent for anything would be a start.



That is quite ironic. Bob is one of the few people on RAO who actually
has made a stab at showing he has talent. He writes screen plays. He
has cited some sort of recognition for his efforts and has offered tro
let others on RAO read his screen plays.






> Note: Lengthy court battles for something you were guaranteed notto
win
> don't count.



Neither does years of whining on Usenet about DBTs. What do you have to
offer?




Scott Wheeler

[Robert Morein]

"Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message

[snip]
>
> And you have what evidence that the USA amp in question sounds
> different from what other amps?

It sounds like ****.



[snip bull****]

[Robert Morein]

"Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
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[snip]

I got rhythm, I got music, I got my (wo)man
Who could ask for anything more?
I got daisies In green pastures, I got my (wo)man
Who could ask for anything more?

Old Man Trouble I don't mind him,
You won't find him 'round my door.
I got starlight, I got sweet dreams,
Who could ask for anything more?

[Tom]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote
>
> Please post again when can you stand behind what you posted


Yes - stand behind your accusations before you post again.
You accused me of calling your wife Kroobitch. Whenever
I bring it up, you run away. Stand behind your accusations
or post no more!

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>

(snip)

> > In Stalinist Russia, one could walk the streets of Moscow at
midnight
> > without fear.
>
> Not true at all.

Agree. It crossed my mind that even if it's true (I don't know) that
"in Stalinist Russia, one could walk the streets of Moscow at midnight
without fear," that would only be true for some people. Most anyone
else could be randomly swept off to the gulag or just plain murdered,
including those loyal to Stalin, his soldiers, etc.

(snip)

> > The price of freedom is that one can no longer do that.
>
> Exactly how free Russia really is, is controversial.

Under Putin, things aren't heading in that direction. BTW, I think
Bush's recent praise of Russia's neighbors who are moving toward
freedom has been interpreted (by at least a few people) as a comment on
Russia's decline in freedom.

> This would be another myth. Unlike Russia today, the US has
practically
> universal free speech. Anbody can post whatever opinions they want.

For those who want to exclude certain opinions and/or posters, there's
always the possibility of starting a moderated newsgroup.

(snip)

Audio content: I've been using a friend's Dell PC lately and have been
surprised by how good the audio is when I play CDs and listen with my
Grado and Sennheiser headphones. I haven't formally compared this PC's
headphone output to other PCs, but my impression is that this PC sounds
better than my previous PC.

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I don't see how shooting Roosevelt would've helped. Assuming Herbert
Hoover had remained in office, I think in many ways many, many people
would've been worse off, with or without war.