Re: Shure E3 vs. Futuresonics EM3 in-ear phones

[Arny Krueger]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote in message

> "wyneken" emitted :
>
>> Arny recommended that I take a look at Shure E3 and Futuresonic
>> earphones or "canalphones" to use with a portable mp3 player. I've
>> found extensive discussion and reviews of the E3 (and other Shure
>> models) but solid information about Futuresonics is harder to come
>> by.
>>
>> Does anybody happen to have any personal experience with these?
>> From what little I've read, I'm led to think the Futuresonics have
>> very nice bass but are correspondingly weaker at the high end.
>> (These are both single-driver devices.)
>>
>> The Shure is said to be accurate, though perhaps with less
>> definition than the comparable model from Etymotics (which is,
>> however, said to be potentially fatiguing for the sort of casual,
>> extended listening I probably will be doing).
>>
>> I'd really appreciate any thoughts on this. It doesn't seem like I
>> need to push this into hi-fi overdrive, given that the source
>> material is a bunch of mp3 music, albeit mostly decent LAME-ape or
>> -aps rips. Still it's nice to really hear the music, such as it is.
>
> I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear headphones.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp

Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear listening
devices. Because they do not seal with the ear canal they tend to be short
of deep bass.

[Arny Krueger]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote in message


> "Arny Krueger" emitted :

>>> I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear headphones.

>> http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp

>> Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear
>> listening devices.

> I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,

You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear headphones.

> I said they are in-ear headphones.. which is exactly what they are.

Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae, they don't
enter the hearing canal.

>> Because they do not seal with the ear canal they tend to be short
>> of deep bass.

> The frame is designed so you can manipulate them into a good position
> which provides a seal.

Tain't no such thing.

>It's part of the design brief!

Inability to quote or cite possibly non-existent document noted.

> Bass goes down to about 80-100Hz.

Talk about limited aspirations! 100 Hz is not deep bass, its mid-bass.

80 Hz is a fair crossover point for a good woofer!

> Within this range they are not
> lacking, nor do they suffer the colourations typical of this type of
> design. They sound great, actually.

Tell us about all the high-end true IEM's you have listened to, Dormer.

[Arny Krueger]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" emitted :
>
>>>>> I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear
>>>>> headphones.
>>
>>>> http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp
>>
>>>> Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear
>>>> listening devices.
>>
>>> I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,
>>
>> You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear
>> headphones.
>
> Correct, because that's what they are.
>
>> Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae, they
>> don't enter the hearing canal.

> You're not right.

The picture seems to speak for itself.

Google lied to me, right?

;-)

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>Google lied to me, right?

>;-)


I almost thought I saw a glimmer of feeling in your comment, Arnold.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Arny Krueger]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" emitted :
>
>>>>>>> I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear
>>>>>>> headphones.
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp
>>>>
>>>>>> Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear
>>>>>> listening devices.
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,
>>>>
>>>> You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear
>>>> headphones.
>>>
>>> Correct, because that's what they are.
>>>
>>>> Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae, they
>>>> don't enter the hearing canal.
>>
>>> You're not right.
>>
>> The picture seems to speak for itself.
>
> I do not appear to be able to ascertain what picture you are talking
> about.. not being a mind reader and all that.
>
>> Google lied to me, right?
>>
>> ;-)
>
> The drivers go under the Tragus, and when positioned correctly they
> form an acoustic seal. The instructions clearly demonstrate this.

Dormer, I take it that you have no idea of how a true IEM works, eh?

Knowing what I know, I couldn't possibly make the claim that an ear bud-like
transducer has an acoustical seal with *anything*.

[Arny Krueger]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" emitted :
>
>>>>>>>>> I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear
>>>>>>>>> headphones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or
>>>>>>>> on-ear listening devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear
>>>>>> headphones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct, because that's what they are.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae,
>>>>>> they don't enter the hearing canal.
>>>>
>>>>> You're not right.
>>>>
>>>> The picture seems to speak for itself.
>>>
>>> I do not appear to be able to ascertain what picture you are talking
>>> about.. not being a mind reader and all that.
>>>
>>>> Google lied to me, right?
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> The drivers go under the Tragus, and when positioned correctly they
>>> form an acoustic seal. The instructions clearly demonstrate this.
>>
>> Dormer, I take it that you have no idea of how a true IEM works, eh?
>
> Returning to your earlier mistake.. B&O state the A8 are "in-ear"
> headphones : "Principle: Electro-dynamic speaker In-ear type (intra
> concha earphone)".

Concha refers to the external ear, not the ear canal.

Ordinary headphones of the Sennheiser HD 580 work on a similar purpose and
arrangment.


>> Knowing what I know, I couldn't possibly make the claim that an ear
>> bud-like transducer has an acoustical seal with *anything*.
>
> Since your knowledge is limited in this area I wouldn't expect you to
> make any such claim.

Dormer, please let me know when you're through playing with words.