"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"wyneken" emitted :

Arny recommended that I take a look at Shure E3 and Futuresonic
earphones or "canalphones" to use with a portable mp3 player. I've
found extensive discussion and reviews of the E3 (and other Shure
models) but solid information about Futuresonics is harder to come
by.

Does anybody happen to have any personal experience with these?
From what little I've read, I'm led to think the Futuresonics have
very nice bass but are correspondingly weaker at the high end.
(These are both single-driver devices.)

The Shure is said to be accurate, though perhaps with less
definition than the comparable model from Etymotics (which is,
however, said to be potentially fatiguing for the sort of casual,
extended listening I probably will be doing).

I'd really appreciate any thoughts on this. It doesn't seem like I
need to push this into hi-fi overdrive, given that the source
material is a bunch of mp3 music, albeit mostly decent LAME-ape or
-aps rips. Still it's nice to really hear the music, such as it is.

I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear headphones.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp

Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear listening
devices. Because they do not seal with the ear canal they tend to be short
of deep bass.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message


"Arny Krueger" emitted :

I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear headphones.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp

Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear
listening devices.

I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,

You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear headphones.

I said they are in-ear headphones.. which is exactly what they are.

Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae, they don't
enter the hearing canal.

Because they do not seal with the ear canal they tend to be short
of deep bass.

The frame is designed so you can manipulate them into a good position
which provides a seal.

Tain't no such thing.

It's part of the design brief!

Inability to quote or cite possibly non-existent document noted.

Bass goes down to about 80-100Hz.

Talk about limited aspirations! 100 Hz is not deep bass, its mid-bass.

80 Hz is a fair crossover point for a good woofer!

Within this range they are not
lacking, nor do they suffer the colourations typical of this type of
design. They sound great, actually.

Tell us about all the high-end true IEM's you have listened to, Dormer.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear
headphones.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp

Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear
listening devices.

I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,

You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear
headphones.

Correct, because that's what they are.

Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae, they
don't enter the hearing canal.

You're not right.

The picture seems to speak for itself.

Google lied to me, right?

;-)

"Arny Krueger" said:

Google lied to me, right?

;-)


I almost thought I saw a glimmer of feeling in your comment, Arnold.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear
headphones.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp

Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or on-ear
listening devices.

I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,

You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear
headphones.

Correct, because that's what they are.

Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae, they
don't enter the hearing canal.

You're not right.

The picture seems to speak for itself.

I do not appear to be able to ascertain what picture you are talking
about.. not being a mind reader and all that.

Google lied to me, right?

;-)

The drivers go under the Tragus, and when positioned correctly they
form an acoustic seal. The instructions clearly demonstrate this.

Dormer, I take it that you have no idea of how a true IEM works, eh?

Knowing what I know, I couldn't possibly make the claim that an ear bud-like
transducer has an acoustical seal with *anything*.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" emitted :

I've been getting my kicks from Bang & Olufsen A8 in-ear
headphones.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw711.asp

Shows that these aren't really IEMs, they are ear buds or
on-ear listening devices.

I didn't say they are in-ear monitors,

You're splitting hairs, Dormer. You said that they are in-ear
headphones.

Correct, because that's what they are.

Actually, they are on-ear headphones. They sit on the pinnae,
they don't enter the hearing canal.

You're not right.

The picture seems to speak for itself.

I do not appear to be able to ascertain what picture you are talking
about.. not being a mind reader and all that.

Google lied to me, right?

;-)

The drivers go under the Tragus, and when positioned correctly they
form an acoustic seal. The instructions clearly demonstrate this.

Dormer, I take it that you have no idea of how a true IEM works, eh?

Returning to your earlier mistake.. B&O state the A8 are "in-ear"
headphones : "Principle: Electro-dynamic speaker In-ear type (intra
concha earphone)".

Concha refers to the external ear, not the ear canal.

Ordinary headphones of the Sennheiser HD 580 work on a similar purpose and
arrangment.


Knowing what I know, I couldn't possibly make the claim that an ear
bud-like transducer has an acoustical seal with *anything*.

Since your knowledge is limited in this area I wouldn't expect you to
make any such claim.

Dormer, please let me know when you're through playing with words.