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Michael McKelvy
January 13th 05, 11:58 PM
Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
Bellsouth?
Michael McKelvy
January 14th 05, 06:19 AM
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>
> Bellsouth?
>
>
It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find
in their books, but it doesn't show up.
Clyde Slick
January 14th 05, 12:33 PM
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>>
>> Bellsouth?
>>
>>
> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find
> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>
you are really obsessed with this!
January 14th 05, 04:13 PM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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> > Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
> >
> > Bellsouth?
> >
> >
> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to
find
> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
Mike- according to Anywho.com:
Richman, Bruce J PhD
3660 NE 166 St
North Miami Beach FL 33160
305-944-5033
Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if
not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and
current listing.
Michael McKelvy
January 14th 05, 04:48 PM
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> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>> > Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>> >
>> > Bellsouth?
>> >
>> >
>> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to
> find
>> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>
>
> Mike- according to Anywho.com:
>
> Richman, Bruce J PhD
> 3660 NE 166 St
> North Miami Beach FL 33160
> 305-944-5033
>
> Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if
> not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and
> current listing.
>
Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where
you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back
as Bruce Richer.
Michael McKelvy
January 14th 05, 05:00 PM
"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>>>
>>> Bellsouth?
>>>
>>>
>> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to
>> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>
>
> you are really obsessed with this!
Not nearly as much as he is with me.
January 14th 05, 05:01 PM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> > wrote in message
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> >
> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> ink.net...
> >> > Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
> >> >
> >> > Bellsouth?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect
to
> > find
> >> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >
> >
> > Mike- according to Anywho.com:
> >
> > Richman, Bruce J PhD
> > 3660 NE 166 St
> > North Miami Beach FL 33160
> > 305-944-5033
> >
> > Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult,
if
> > not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and
> > current listing.
> >
> Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look
up where
> you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes
back
> as Bruce Richer.
I went to:
http://www.anywho.com
then, I clicked on "reverse lookup"
I entered: 305 9445033
it came back as: Richman, Bruce J PhD at the same address I posted
earlier.
I literally just did this......try it yourself
dave weil
January 14th 05, 05:14 PM
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:48:13 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
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>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>> ink.net...
>>> > Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>>> >
>>> > Bellsouth?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to
>> find
>>> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>
>>
>> Mike- according to Anywho.com:
>>
>> Richman, Bruce J PhD
>> 3660 NE 166 St
>> North Miami Beach FL 33160
>> 305-944-5033
>>
>> Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if
>> not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and
>> current listing.
>>
>Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where
>you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back
>as Bruce Richer.
No it doesn't:
From the reverse lookup on www.anywho.com
Area Code Required Telephone Number Required
TIP: Cell phone numbers are not available
You searched for: 305 9445033
Results 1 - 1 of 1 PREVIOUS | NEXT
Reverse Telephone Listings
Richman, Bruce J Phd
3660 NE 166 St
NORTH MIAMI BEACH, FL 33160
Bruce J. Richman
January 14th 05, 05:47 PM
Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> >
> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
> >>
> >> Bellsouth?
> >>
> >>
> > It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect
to find
> > in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >
>
> you are really obsessed with this!
Since his recent efforts to promote more lies about my identity were
pretty thoroughly shot down by others such as yourself and Dave Weil,
to name just a few, he's trying once again to promote his neverending
series of lies. He has an almost 7 year history of lies, libel, and
harassment. There is no reason to expect it to ever stop, given the
mental status of the person behind it.
Bruce J. Richman
January 14th 05, 05:51 PM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >>
> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> ink.net...
> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
> >>>
> >>> Bellsouth?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect
to
> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >>
> >
> > you are really obsessed with this!
> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's
identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years.
I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
received from a questionable source.
Bruce J. Richman
January 14th 05, 05:59 PM
dave weil wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:48:13 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >>
> >> Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >>> ink.net...
> >>> > Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
> >>> >
> >>> > Bellsouth?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
expect to
> >> find
> >>> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike- according to Anywho.com:
> >>
> >> Richman, Bruce J PhD
> >> 3660 NE 166 St
> >> North Miami Beach FL 33160
> >> 305-944-5033
> >>
> >> Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult,
if
> >> not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate
and
> >> current listing.
> >>
> >Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look
up where
> >you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it
comes back
> >as Bruce Richer.
>
> No it doesn't:
>
> From the reverse lookup on www.anywho.com
>
> Area Code Required Telephone Number Required
>
>
> TIP: Cell phone numbers are not available
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You searched for: 305 9445033
> Results 1 - 1 of 1 PREVIOUS | NEXT
>
>
> Reverse Telephone Listings
> Richman, Bruce J Phd
>
> 3660 NE 166 St
> NORTH MIAMI BEACH, FL 33160
Isn't it rather bizarre to see two proven liars, McKelvy and a gutless
sockpuppet, arguing over which one is correct? They can't agree on the
truth anymore than they can agree on the daily helpings of bull****
they spew on RAO!
LOL !!!
Michael McKelvy
January 14th 05, 06:34 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> > ink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> ink.net...
>> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>> >>>
>> >>> Bellsouth?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect
> to
>> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>> >>
>> >
>> > you are really obsessed with this!
>> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>
> Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>
No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using.
> I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's
> identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years.
> I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
> received from a questionable source.
>
Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with
your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter.
You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of
legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental
state.
Michael McKelvy
January 14th 05, 06:38 PM
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> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> > wrote in message
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>> >
>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> ink.net...
>> >> > Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>> >> >
>> >> > Bellsouth?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect
> to
>> > find
>> >> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike- according to Anywho.com:
>> >
>> > Richman, Bruce J PhD
>> > 3660 NE 166 St
>> > North Miami Beach FL 33160
>> > 305-944-5033
>> >
>> > Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult,
> if
>> > not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and
>> > current listing.
>> >
>> Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look
> up where
>> you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes
> back
>> as Bruce Richer.
>
>
> I went to:
>
> http://www.anywho.com
>
> then, I clicked on "reverse lookup"
>
> I entered: 305 9445033
>
> it came back as: Richman, Bruce J PhD at the same address I posted
> earlier.
>
> I literally just did this......try it yourself
>
Yes, it worked as you said. I used some other link from that site last
night, with the results I described.
I have no explanation for the difference.
Michael McKelvy
January 14th 05, 06:41 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>
> dave weil wrote:
>
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:48:13 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >>
>> >> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >>> ink.net...
>> >>> > Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Bellsouth?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
> expect to
>> >> find
>> >>> in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike- according to Anywho.com:
>> >>
>> >> Richman, Bruce J PhD
>> >> 3660 NE 166 St
>> >> North Miami Beach FL 33160
>> >> 305-944-5033
>> >>
>> >> Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult,
> if
>> >> not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate
> and
>> >> current listing.
>> >>
>> >Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look
> up where
>> >you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it
> comes back
>> >as Bruce Richer.
>>
>> No it doesn't:
>>
>> From the reverse lookup on www.anywho.com
>>
>> Area Code Required Telephone Number Required
>>
>>
>> TIP: Cell phone numbers are not available
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You searched for: 305 9445033
>> Results 1 - 1 of 1 PREVIOUS | NEXT
>>
>>
>> Reverse Telephone Listings
>> Richman, Bruce J Phd
>>
>> 3660 NE 166 St
>> NORTH MIAMI BEACH, FL 33160
>
> Isn't it rather bizarre to see two proven liars, McKelvy and a gutless
> sockpuppet, arguing over which one is correct? They can't agree on the
> truth anymore than they can agree on the daily helpings of bull****
> they spew on RAO!
>
We're not arguing, we're trying to make sure we both have accurate
information.
January 14th 05, 06:44 PM
"I am, therefore I flame"
- Bruce J. Richman
You just can't help yourself, can you Beej?
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
> Isn't it rather bizarre to see two proven liars
<remainder of unprovoked flame deleted>
Bruce J. Richman
January 14th 05, 10:29 PM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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> >
> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> > ink.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> >> ink.net...
> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
area?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bellsouth?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
expect
> > to
> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
> >
> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
> >
> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using.
>
> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
person's
> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
years.
> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
> > received from a questionable source.
> >
> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
behavior with
> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the
matter.
>
That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
identity, my professional activities (about which you actually know
nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). There is a difference
between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over
again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
disbelieve. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a
variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that
when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
differently than other people do that post there. People post on
recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and
unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. To
expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic
and unfair.
> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use
of
> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my
mental
> state.
I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental
state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. You
have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way
of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
voice an opinion. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
"legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many
prescriptions at the same time. :)
Lionel
January 14th 05, 10:34 PM
Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
>>Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>
> behavior with
>
>>your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the
>
> matter.
>
>
> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
> identity, my professional activities (about which you actually know
> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). There is a difference
> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over
> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
> disbelieve. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a
> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>
> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that
> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
> differently than other people do that post there. People post on
> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and
> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. To
> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic
> and unfair.
>
>
>
>>You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use
>
> of
>
>>legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my
>
> mental
>
>>state.
>
>
> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental
> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. You
> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>
> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way
> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
> voice an opinion. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many
> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>
Bruce what a frenetic passion for typing...
....At least you could do that on a clitoris !
Clyde Slick
January 14th 05, 11:00 PM
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>>>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>>>>
>>>> Bellsouth?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to
>>> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>>
>>
>> you are really obsessed with this!
> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
Well, he is not stalking you, nor is he questioning
your education, profession and identity.
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 12:26 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>> >
>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> > ink.net...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ink.net...
>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
> area?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
> expect
>> > to
>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>> >
>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>> >
>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using.
>>
>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
> person's
>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
> years.
>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
>> > received from a questionable source.
>> >
>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
> behavior with
>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the
> matter.
>>
>
> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
> identity, my professional activities
They are still opinions.
(about which you actually know
> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
There is a difference
> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over
> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
> disbelieve.
It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know
if they are true, they are hearsay.
Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a
> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>
I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it
was not "fale."
> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that
> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
> differently than other people do that post there.
That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no
difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
People post on
> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and
> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
And you seem to relish the insult part.
To
> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic
> and unfair.
>
Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you
say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
>
>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use
> of
>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my
> mental
>> state.
>
> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental
> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else.
But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is
true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms
about people you don't know.
You
> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>
I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people
delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way
> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
> voice an opinion.
You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something
you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing.
Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many
> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>
An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which
is also not true.
It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I
would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of
money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going
to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option.
As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if
it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from
oxicontin.
BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was
obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer
drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 12:31 AM
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>>>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>>>>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bellsouth?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to
>>>> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> you are really obsessed with this!
>> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>
> Well, he is not stalking you, nor is he questioning
> your education, profession and identity.
I'm on the other side of the ****ing country, I am not stalking him, I am
using legal resources to make myself convinced one way or the other. You
may not find his behavior odd for someone of his profession, but I do. What
he does for a living has no real bearing on why I find his behavior
reprehensible.
If I convince myself that he is in fact Bruce J. Richman PhD. and a licensed
psychologist, I will say so. It won't excuse the inflammatory behavior he
exhibits here.
Clyde Slick
January 15th 05, 12:47 AM
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>>
>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>> >
>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>> >> > ink.net...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> ink.net...
>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
>> area?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
>> expect
>>> > to
>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>>> >
>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>>> >
>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using.
>>>
>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>> person's
>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
>> years.
>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
>>> > received from a questionable source.
>>> >
>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>> behavior with
>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the
>> matter.
>>>
>>
>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>> identity, my professional activities
>
> They are still opinions.
>
> (about which you actually know
>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>
> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>
> There is a difference
>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over
>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
>> disbelieve.
>
> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know
> if they are true, they are hearsay.
>
> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a
>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>>
> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it
> was not "fale."
>
>
>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that
>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
>> differently than other people do that post there.
>
> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no
> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>
> People post on
>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and
>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>
> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>
> To
>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic
>> and unfair.
>>
> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you
> say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
>>
>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use
>> of
>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my
>> mental
>>> state.
>>
>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental
>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else.
>
> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that
> is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic
> terms about people you don't know.
>
> You
>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>>
> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people
> delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>
>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way
>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
>> voice an opinion.
>
> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about
> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse
> me of doing.
>
>
>
> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many
>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>>
> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which
> is also not true.
>
> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I
> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount
> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm
> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable
> option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something
> you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more
> than from oxicontin.
>
> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was
> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far
> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
>
Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation.
BTW, you are wrong for your
inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
Its the hydrocordone.
Bruce J. Richman
January 15th 05, 02:44 AM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> >> > ink.net...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ink.net...
> >> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
> > area?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Bellsouth?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
> > expect
> >> > to
> >> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
> >> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
> >> >
> >> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
> >> >
> >> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
using.
> >>
> >> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
> > person's
> >> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
> > years.
> >> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
information
> >> > received from a questionable source.
> >> >
> >> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
> > behavior with
> >> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on
the
> > matter.
> >>
> >
> > That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
> > identity, my professional activities
>
> They are still opinions.
>
A lie by any other name is still a lie. Deliberate avoidance of
concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is
lying, not stating opinions.
> (about which you actually know
> > nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>
> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>
>
In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information
while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost all
other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies.
There is a difference
> > between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
> > lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and
over
> > again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
> > disbelieve.
>
> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to
know
> if they are true, they are hearsay.
>
>
Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the
information I have presented. You've chosen to ignore it and contiue
your lies and libel campaign. But you only believe people that say
what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed that
Krueger "stands for the truth", even though a number of different RAO
posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods) that
he has frequently lied.
Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
> > information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
> > questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use
a
> > variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
> >
> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure
you it
> was not "fale."
>
>
False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role model,
Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of his
many enemies.
> > For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
that
> > when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
> > should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
> > differently than other people do that post there.
>
> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no
> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>
You miss the point entirely. You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet
this is not a professional environment. Your behavior is as bad if not
worse, than that of most of the people here. At least they haven't
engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at
another person's occupation, identity, etc. You, no doubt, find fault
with the behavior of many people here that have accurately described
the many problems with your RAO conduct.
> People post on
> > recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
and
> > unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>
> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>
You definitely do, hypocrite. You've rarely met a Krueger flame you
can't supplement and endorse. You're also among the first to smear
other people that don't support your extreme prejudices.
> To
> > expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
unrealistic
> > and unfair.
> >
> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
when you
> say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
> >
>
So why don't you ignore them? Practice what you preach, hypocrite.
I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other
misfits that have nothing better to do with their time.
>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my
use
> > of
> >> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about
my
> > mental
> >> state.
> >
> > I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
mental
> > state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else.
>
> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume
that is
> true,
It's a fact, not an assumption.
it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms
> about people you don't know.
>
As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic. They
are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online behavior of
some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face evaluation
and a bunch of other information as well in most cases. I don't see you
criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's
misapplied over and over again to many different posters.
> You
> > have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
> > clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
> > ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
> >
> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling
people
> delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>
Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is entitled to
use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of what
they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!!
Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"?
That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And
insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term. Again,
you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you
support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using
terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a person
who happens to be a psychologist can not. See the hypocrisy in that
attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks?
> > As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no
way
> > of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
> > voice an opinion.
>
> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about
something
> you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of
doing.
>
Not quite. Many of my credentials have been posted on RAO and many are
easily verified, since they are part of the public record or school
records. In addition, others have verified them and reported it on
RAO. The fact that you contiue to deny reality is your problem, not
mine.
>
>
> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
> > "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using
many
> > prescriptions at the same time. :)
> >
> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription,
which
> is also not true.
>
That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've
actually said. Many people that are addicted to various types of
medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as
"doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different
doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times
with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies
to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I
have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage
pattern.
> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them,
I
> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
amount of
> money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain.
Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain
anaesthesia? Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if
done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly
wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through
a Google search for references.
I'm going
> to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable
option.
> As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something
you do if
> it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than
from
> oxicontin.
See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic training
(or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain conditions
in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to the
sensations of pain. Also, I've personally, as part of my training,
seen people undergo oral surgery without any anaesthesia at all (a
large number of tooth extractions) - a procedure that would be very
painful - under nothing more than hypnosis. The patient reported only
feeling some dull pressure from the dental instruments, but no pain.
>
> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he
was
> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a
far safer
> drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
They are both subject to abuse.
BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a
psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in
Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology
doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You
can always call him and ask if he remembers me. He graduated a little
before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim
Bieri or Norman Prentice were.
Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false
statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody
is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST
THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT.
I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious
to be arrested.
If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years and
issue a retraction, that is your problem.
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 03:59 AM
"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>> >> ...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>> >> > ink.net...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>> >> >> ink.net...
>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
>>> area?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
>>> expect
>>>> > to
>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>>>> >
>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>>>> >
>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using.
>>>>
>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>>> person's
>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
>>> years.
>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
>>>> > received from a questionable source.
>>>> >
>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>>> behavior with
>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the
>>> matter.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>>> identity, my professional activities
>>
>> They are still opinions.
>>
>> (about which you actually know
>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>>
>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>>
>> There is a difference
>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over
>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
>>> disbelieve.
>>
>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to
>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
>>
>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a
>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>>>
>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it
>> was not "fale."
>>
>>
>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that
>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
>>> differently than other people do that post there.
>>
>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no
>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>>
>> People post on
>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and
>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>>
>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>>
>> To
>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic
>>> and unfair.
>>>
>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when
>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
>>>
>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use
>>> of
>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my
>>> mental
>>>> state.
>>>
>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental
>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else.
>>
>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that
>> is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic
>> terms about people you don't know.
>>
>> You
>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>>>
>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people
>> delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>>
>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way
>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
>>> voice an opinion.
>>
>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about
>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse
>> me of doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many
>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>>>
>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription,
>> which is also not true.
>>
>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I
>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount
>> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm
>> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a
>> viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not
>> something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks,
>> far more than from oxicontin.
>>
>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was
>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far
>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
>>
>
> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation.
> BTW, you are wrong for your
> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
> Its the hydrocordone.
>
No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a
time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to
your health.
Clyde Slick
January 15th 05, 04:12 AM
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>>
>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>> >> > ink.net...
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>> >> >> ink.net...
>>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
>>>> area?
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
>>>> expect
>>>>> > to
>>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>>>>> >
>>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using.
>>>>>
>>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>>>> person's
>>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
>>>> years.
>>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
>>>>> > received from a questionable source.
>>>>> >
>>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>>>> behavior with
>>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the
>>>> matter.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>>>> identity, my professional activities
>>>
>>> They are still opinions.
>>>
>>> (about which you actually know
>>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>>>
>>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>>>
>>> There is a difference
>>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
>>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over
>>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
>>>> disbelieve.
>>>
>>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to
>>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
>>>
>>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
>>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a
>>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>>>>
>>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you
>>> it was not "fale."
>>>
>>>
>>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that
>>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
>>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
>>>> differently than other people do that post there.
>>>
>>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no
>>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>>>
>>> People post on
>>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and
>>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>>>
>>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>>>
>>> To
>>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic
>>>> and unfair.
>>>>
>>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when
>>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
>>>>
>>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use
>>>> of
>>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my
>>>> mental
>>>>> state.
>>>>
>>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental
>>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else.
>>>
>>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume
>>> that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
>>> diagnostic terms about people you don't know.
>>>
>>> You
>>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
>>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
>>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>>>>
>>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling
>>> people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>>>
>>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way
>>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
>>>> voice an opinion.
>>>
>>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about
>>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you
>>> accuse me of doing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many
>>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>>>>
>>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription,
>>> which is also not true.
>>>
>>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I
>>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount
>>> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm
>>> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a
>>> viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not
>>> something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks,
>>> far more than from oxicontin.
>>>
>>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was
>>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far
>>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
>>>
>>
>> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation.
>> BTW, you are wrong for your
>> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
>> Its the hydrocordone.
>>
> No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a
> time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to
> your health.
>
Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 04:28 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> > ink.net...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> ink.net...
>> >> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
>> > area?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
>> > expect
>> >> > to
>> >> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>> >> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>> >> >
>> >> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
> using.
>> >>
>> >> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>> > person's
>> >> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
>> > years.
>> >> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
> information
>> >> > received from a questionable source.
>> >> >
>> >> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>> > behavior with
>> >> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on
> the
>> > matter.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>> > identity, my professional activities
>>
>> They are still opinions.
>>
>
> A lie by any other name is still a lie.
A lie requires you to know it is a lie.
Deliberate avoidance of
> concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is
> lying, not stating opinions.
>
>
I'm not avoiding it, it just hasn't proven anything.
>> (about which you actually know
>> > nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>>
>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>>
>>
>
> In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information
> while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost all
> other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies.
>
Crystal ball again? They are easier to convince.
>
> There is a difference
>> > between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
>> > lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and
> over
>> > again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
>> > disbelieve.
>>
>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to
> know
>> if they are true, they are hearsay.
>>
>>
>
> Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the
> information I have presented.
Good for them. I haven't.
You've chosen to ignore it and contiue
> your lies and libel campaign. But you only believe people that say
> what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed that
> Krueger "stands for the truth",
Provide an in context quote for that, because if you can't and I made that
statement you'd say it was a lie.
even though a number of different RAO
> posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods) that
> he has frequently lied.
>
A number of peop;e have lied about him as well, are you as ****ed about
that?
>
> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>> > information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
>> > questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use
> a
>> > variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>> >
>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure
> you it
>> was not "fale."
>>
>>
>
> False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role model,
> Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of his
> many enemies.
>
You keep saying role model, why? People have made fun of my typos, are you
as ****ed about that?
>> > For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
> that
>> > when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
>> > should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
>> > differently than other people do that post there.
>>
>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no
>
>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>>
>
> You miss the point entirely.
Yes you do.
You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet
> this is not a professional environment.
That doesn't mean you should behave like a barbarian. It doesn't excuse
you, and it doesn't mean you should forget what that professionis about.
Your behavior is as bad if not
> worse, than that of most of the people here.
And that means it's OK for you to act the same? Or worse?
At least they haven't
> engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at
> another person's occupation, identity, etc.
You can repeat this ad nauseum, it won't make what I've said anything more
than my opinions.
You, no doubt, find fault
> with the behavior of many people here that have accurately described
> the many problems with your RAO conduct.
No, I find fault with the whole ****ing mess. I do notice that when I was
on topic, people like you come out and look for a fight.
>
>
>
>> People post on
>> > recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
> and
>> > unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>>
>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>>
>
> You definitely do, hypocrite.
I enjoy it when it's light hearted and not personal. I enjoy it when
blustering fools get shot down for their ignorance. I do not enjoy endless
catfights abouyt how wronged people have been by somebody or how they have
to fight back because someone said somnething bad. It's way too childish
for for grown folks. For a mental health professional, it certainly
ridiculous.
You've rarely met a Krueger flame you
> can't supplement and endorse.
Care to back that up with anything from Google?
You're also among the first to smear
> other people that don't support your extreme prejudices.
>
Got any proof?
>
>> To
>> > expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
> unrealistic
>> > and unfair.
>> >
>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
> when you
>> say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
>> >
>>
>
> So why don't you ignore them?
I ignore mostof it. If I didn't I wouyld be here 24 hours a day.
Practice what you preach, hypocrite.
> I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other
> misfits that have nothing better to do with their time.
>
And then other times you start attacxk threads or attack somebody in the
middle of a thread like the Julian Hirsch thread, which no mnatter how you
try to spin it, made you an ass.
>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my
> use
>> > of
>> >> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about
> my
>> > mental
>> >> state.
>> >
>> > I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
> mental
>> > state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else.
>>
>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume
> that is
>> true,
>
> It's a fact, not an assumption.
>
> it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms
>> about people you don't know.
>>
>
> As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic.
Sorry, you don't get to divorce your profession from your use of professioal
terms.
They
> are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online behavior of
> some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face evaluation
> and a bunch of other information as well in most cases.
Feel free to use them there, find other words here.
I don't see you
> criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's
> misapplied over and over again to many different posters.
>
If they were mental health professionals I doubt they would, if they did,
I'd be on their asses too.
>
>> You
>> > have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
>> > clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
>> > ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>> >
>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling
> people
>> delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>>
>
> Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is entitled to
> use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of what
> they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!!
>
> Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"?
>
Have you ever heard of leading by example? You're the one who's supposed to
be able to help a diseased mind, yet here you act more crazy than almost
anyone else.
>
> That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And
> insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term. Again,
> you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you
> support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using
> terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a person
> who happens to be a psychologist can not. See the hypocrisy in that
> attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks?
>
Then change professions.
>
>
>> > As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no
> way
>> > of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
>> > voice an opinion.
>>
>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about
> something
>> you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of
> doing.
>>
>
> Not quite. Many of my credentials have been posted on RAO and many are
> easily verified, since they are part of the public record or school
> records.
What can be verified is that they belong to someone with that name has those
credentials. I remain suspicious of them belonging to you.
In addition, others have verified them and reported it on
> RAO. The fact that you contiue to deny reality is your problem, not
> mine.
>
It's not real until I am satisfied. That they are is all well and good for
them, it hasn't been proven to ME.
>>
>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>> > "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using
> many
>> > prescriptions at the same time. :)
>> >
>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription,
> which
>> is also not true.
>>
>
> That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've
> actually said.
What part of the words ":seem to be imply' do you not understand?
Many people that are addicted to various types of
> medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as
> "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different
> doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times
> with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies
> to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I
> have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage
> pattern.
>
That's their problem not mine. You are still seeming to imply some
connection with that behavior and mine.
>
>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them,
> I
>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
> amount of
>> money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain.
>
> Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain
> anaesthesia?
No.
Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if
> done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly
> wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through
> a Google search for references.
>
I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain.
> I'm going
>> to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable
> option.
>> As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something
> you do if
>> it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than
> from
>> oxicontin.
>
> See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic training
> (or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain conditions
> in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to the
> sensations of pain.
That's not my problem look up spinal stenosis.
Also, I've personally, as part of my training,
> seen people undergo oral surgery without any anaesthesia at all (a
> large number of tooth extractions) - a procedure that would be very
> painful - under nothing more than hypnosis. The patient reported only
> feeling some dull pressure from the dental instruments, but no pain.
>
>>
>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he
> was
>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a
> far safer
>> drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
>
> They are both subject to abuse.
>
> BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a
> psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in
> Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology
> doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You
> can always call him and ask if he remembers me. He graduated a little
> before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim
> Bieri or Norman Prentice were.
>
I'll make a note.
> Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false
> statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody
> is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST
> THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT.
You could still be a shrink, but some other one.
> I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious
> to be arrested.
>
Nor do you act like anything more than a petualnt school boy when you are
here.
> If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years and
> issue a retraction, that is your problem.
>
I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?
Bruce J. Richman
January 15th 05, 04:53 AM
Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> >
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> ink.net...
> >>>
> >>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> >>> oups.com...
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> >>>>> oups.com...
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >>>>> >> ...
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >>>>> >> >
ink.net...
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in
message
> >>>>> >> >>
ink.net...
> >>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
Miami
> >>>> area?
> >>>>> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
> >>>>> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you
would
> >>>> expect
> >>>>> > to
> >>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
> >>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
using.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
> >>>> person's
> >>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
almost 7
> >>>> years.
> >>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
information
> >>>>> > received from a questionable source.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
> >>>> behavior with
> >>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
on the
> >>>> matter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
> >>>> identity, my professional activities
> >>>
> >>> They are still opinions.
> >>>
> >>> (about which you actually know
> >>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
> >>>
> >>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
> >>>
> >>> There is a difference
> >>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
your
> >>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
and over
> >>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
or
> >>>> disbelieve.
> >>>
> >>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
way to
> >>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
> >>>
> >>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
> >>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
a
> >>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
use a
> >>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
> >>>>
> >>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
assure you
> >>> it was not "fale."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
that
> >>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
they
> >>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
behave
> >>>> differently than other people do that post there.
> >>>
> >>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
make no
> >>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
> >>>
> >>> People post on
> >>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
and
> >>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
> >>>
> >>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
> >>>
> >>> To
> >>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
unrealistic
> >>>> and unfair.
> >>>>
> >>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
when
> >>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
gasoline?
> >>>>
> >>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
my use
> >>>> of
> >>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
about my
> >>>> mental
> >>>>> state.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
mental
> >>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
else.
> >>>
> >>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
assume
> >>> that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
> >>> diagnostic terms about people you don't know.
> >>>
> >>> You
> >>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
is
> >>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
of
> >>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
> >>>>
> >>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
calling
> >>> people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
> >>>
> >>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
no way
> >>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
to
> >>>> voice an opinion.
> >>>
> >>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
about
> >>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
you
> >>> accuse me of doing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
> >>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
using many
> >>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
> >>>>
> >>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
prescription,
> >>> which is also not true.
> >>>
> >>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
them, I
> >>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
amount
> >>> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
pain. I'm
> >>> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
a
> >>> viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
is not
> >>> something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
risks,
> >>> far more than from oxicontin.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
he was
> >>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
a far
> >>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
Tylenol.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
situation.
> >> BTW, you are wrong for your
> >> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
> >> Its the hydrocordone.
> >>
> > No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
long a
> > time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
effects to
> > your health.
> >
> Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.
Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
functioning.
Clyde Slick
January 15th 05, 05:56 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> nk.net...
>> >
>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> ink.net...
>> >>>
>> >>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> >>> oups.com...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> >>>>> oups.com...
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> >>>>> >> ...
>> >>>>> >> >
>> >>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >>>>> >> >
> ink.net...
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in
> message
>> >>>>> >> >>
> ink.net...
>> >>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
> Miami
>> >>>> area?
>> >>>>> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>> >>>>> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you
> would
>> >>>> expect
>> >>>>> > to
>> >>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >
>> >>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>> >>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
> using.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>> >>>> person's
>> >>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
> almost 7
>> >>>> years.
>> >>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
> information
>> >>>>> > received from a questionable source.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>> >>>> behavior with
>> >>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
> on the
>> >>>> matter.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>> >>>> identity, my professional activities
>> >>>
>> >>> They are still opinions.
>> >>>
>> >>> (about which you actually know
>> >>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>> >>>
>> >>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>> >>>
>> >>> There is a difference
>> >>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
> your
>> >>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
> and over
>> >>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
> or
>> >>>> disbelieve.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
> way to
>> >>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>> >>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
> a
>> >>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
> use a
>> >>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>> >>>>
>> >>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
> assure you
>> >>> it was not "fale."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
> that
>> >>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
> they
>> >>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
> behave
>> >>>> differently than other people do that post there.
>> >>>
>> >>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
> make no
>> >>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>> >>>
>> >>> People post on
>> >>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
> and
>> >>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>> >>>
>> >>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>> >>>
>> >>> To
>> >>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
> unrealistic
>> >>>> and unfair.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
> when
>> >>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
> gasoline?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
> my use
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
> about my
>> >>>> mental
>> >>>>> state.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
> mental
>> >>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
> else.
>> >>>
>> >>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
> assume
>> >>> that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
>> >>> diagnostic terms about people you don't know.
>> >>>
>> >>> You
>> >>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
> is
>> >>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
> of
>> >>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>> >>>>
>> >>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
> calling
>> >>> people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>> >>>
>> >>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
> no way
>> >>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
> to
>> >>>> voice an opinion.
>> >>>
>> >>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
> about
>> >>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
> you
>> >>> accuse me of doing.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>> >>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
> using many
>> >>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>> >>>>
>> >>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
> prescription,
>> >>> which is also not true.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
> them, I
>> >>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
> amount
>> >>> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
> pain. I'm
>> >>> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
> a
>> >>> viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
> is not
>> >>> something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
> risks,
>> >>> far more than from oxicontin.
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
> he was
>> >>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
> a far
>> >>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
> Tylenol.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
> situation.
>> >> BTW, you are wrong for your
>> >> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
>> >> Its the hydrocordone.
>> >>
>> > No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
> long a
>> > time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
> effects to
>> > your health.
>> >
>> Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.
>
> Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
> Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
> my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
> functioning.
>
Which one of the two is most dangerous?
Tylenol or hydrocone?
Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 06:07 AM
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>
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>>> >> ...
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>>> >> > ink.net...
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>>> >> >> ink.net...
>>>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami
>>>>> area?
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you would
>>>>> expect
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>>>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>>>>> person's
>>>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7
>>>>> years.
>>>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information
>>>>>> > received from a questionable source.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>>>>> behavior with
>>>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the
>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>>>>> identity, my professional activities
>>>>
>>>> They are still opinions.
>>>>
>>>> (about which you actually know
>>>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>>>>
>>>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>>>>
>>>> There is a difference
>>>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your
>>>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over
>>>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or
>>>>> disbelieve.
>>>>
>>>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to
>>>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
>>>>
>>>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>>>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a
>>>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a
>>>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you
>>>> it was not "fale."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that
>>>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they
>>>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave
>>>>> differently than other people do that post there.
>>>>
>>>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no
>>>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>>>>
>>>> People post on
>>>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and
>>>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>>>>
>>>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>>>>
>>>> To
>>>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
>>>>> unrealistic
>>>>> and unfair.
>>>>>
>>>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when
>>>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use
>>>>> of
>>>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my
>>>>> mental
>>>>>> state.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental
>>>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume
>>>> that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
>>>> diagnostic terms about people you don't know.
>>>>
>>>> You
>>>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is
>>>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of
>>>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>>>>>
>>>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling
>>>> people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>>>>
>>>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way
>>>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to
>>>>> voice an opinion.
>>>>
>>>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about
>>>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you
>>>> accuse me of doing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>>>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using
>>>>> many
>>>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>>>>>
>>>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription,
>>>> which is also not true.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I
>>>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
>>>> amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
>>>> pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if
>>>> surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's
>>>> spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very
>>>> serious risks, far more than from oxicontin.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was
>>>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far
>>>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
>>> situation.
>>> BTW, you are wrong for your
>>> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
>>> Its the hydrocordone.
>>>
>> No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a
>> time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects
>> to your health.
>>
> Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.
>
And it will kill you if you take enough. If however you take it as
prescribed, the worst that can happen to you is increased tolerance and
constipation.
Yes, it is possible to become addicted but it is not a risk to your health
unless you overdose.
The dosage I take is the smallest one available 10 mg. It comes in
strengths as high as 160 mg. for controlled release. There are others that
are IR or instant release, I can't even imagine what kind of pain you'd have
to be in for that.
Generally speaking it is a very safe drug, especially compared to something
like Barbiturates, which if you become addicted, can kill you just trying to
withdraw from them.
I have a PDR on my desktop, so if you need any more info on anything, I'll
be happy to share.
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 06:12 AM
"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>>
>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>> nk.net...
>>> >
>>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>> > ...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>> >> ink.net...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>> >>> oups.com...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>> >>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>> >>>>> oups.com...
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>> >>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>> >>>>> >> ...
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>> >>>>> >> >
>> ink.net...
>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>> >>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in
>> message
>>> >>>>> >> >>
>> ink.net...
>>> >>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
>> Miami
>>> >>>> area?
>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you
>> would
>>> >>>> expect
>>> >>>>> > to
>>> >>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>>> >>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
>> using.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>>> >>>> person's
>>> >>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
>> almost 7
>>> >>>> years.
>>> >>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
>> information
>>> >>>>> > received from a questionable source.
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>>> >>>> behavior with
>>> >>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
>> on the
>>> >>>> matter.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>>> >>>> identity, my professional activities
>>> >>>
>>> >>> They are still opinions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> (about which you actually know
>>> >>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There is a difference
>>> >>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
>> your
>>> >>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
>> and over
>>> >>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
>> or
>>> >>>> disbelieve.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
>> way to
>>> >>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>>> >>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
>> a
>>> >>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
>> use a
>>> >>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
>> assure you
>>> >>> it was not "fale."
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
>> that
>>> >>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
>> they
>>> >>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
>> behave
>>> >>>> differently than other people do that post there.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
>> make no
>>> >>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> People post on
>>> >>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
>> and
>>> >>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> To
>>> >>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
>> unrealistic
>>> >>>> and unfair.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
>> when
>>> >>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
>> gasoline?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
>> my use
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
>> about my
>>> >>>> mental
>>> >>>>> state.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
>> mental
>>> >>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
>> else.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
>> assume
>>> >>> that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
>>> >>> diagnostic terms about people you don't know.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You
>>> >>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
>> is
>>> >>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
>> of
>>> >>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
>> calling
>>> >>> people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
>> no way
>>> >>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
>> to
>>> >>>> voice an opinion.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
>> about
>>> >>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
>> you
>>> >>> accuse me of doing.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>>> >>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
>> using many
>>> >>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
>> prescription,
>>> >>> which is also not true.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
>> them, I
>>> >>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
>> amount
>>> >>> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
>> pain. I'm
>>> >>> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
>> a
>>> >>> viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
>> is not
>>> >>> something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
>> risks,
>>> >>> far more than from oxicontin.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
>> he was
>>> >>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
>> a far
>>> >>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
>> Tylenol.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
>> situation.
>>> >> BTW, you are wrong for your
>>> >> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
>>> >> Its the hydrocordone.
>>> >>
>>> > No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
>> long a
>>> > time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
>> effects to
>>> > your health.
>>> >
>>> Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.
>>
>> Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
>> Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
>> my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
>> functioning.
>>
>
>
> Which one of the two is most dangerous?
> Tylenol or hydrocone?
> Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?
They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol can
kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse, it can
simply be from taking it for a long period of time.
Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate.
Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of Tylenol.
Bruce J. Richman
January 15th 05, 06:51 AM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> >> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >
ink.net...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in
message
> >> >> >> >>
ink.net...
> >> >> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
Miami
> >> > area?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Bellsouth?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you
would
> >> > expect
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
> >> >> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
> >> >> >
> >> >> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
> > using.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
> >> > person's
> >> >> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
almost 7
> >> > years.
> >> >> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
> > information
> >> >> > received from a questionable source.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
> >> > behavior with
> >> >> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
on
> > the
> >> > matter.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
> >> > identity, my professional activities
> >>
> >> They are still opinions.
> >>
> >
> > A lie by any other name is still a lie.
>
> A lie requires you to know it is a lie.
No, it does not. Conscious intent is not required. If somebody says
Germany is in South America, they are lying. They are making a false
statement. If they were under oath in a court room, they could be
charged with perjury. Their ignorance would not be a reasonable
defense unless they were significantly retarded.
>
> Deliberate avoidance of
> > concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is
> > lying, not stating opinions.
> >
> >
> I'm not avoiding it, it just hasn't proven anything.
>
>
Another false statement.
>> (about which you actually know
> >> > nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
> >>
> >> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information
> > while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost
all
> > other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies.
> >
> Crystal ball again? They are easier to convince.
> >
> > There is a difference
> >> > between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
your
> >> > lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
and
> > over
> >> > again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
or
> >> > disbelieve.
> >>
> >> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way
to
> > know
> >> if they are true, they are hearsay.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the
> > information I have presented.
>
> Good for them. I haven't.
Becaus you prefer to keep lying about these things.
>
> You've chosen to ignore it and contiue
> > your lies and libel campaign. But you only believe people that say
> > what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed
that
> > Krueger "stands for the truth",
>
> Provide an in context quote for that, because if you can't and I made
that
> statement you'd say it was a lie.
>
>
It's part of one of your posts in which you said you support Krueger
because he "stands for the truth". I specifically reember you saying
that when I criticized your defense of his posting behavior and failure
to criticize his obvious attacks on other people.
even though a number of different RAO
> > posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods)
that
> > he has frequently lied.
> >
> A number of peop;e have lied about him as well, are you as ****ed
about
> that?
> >
> > Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
> >> > information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
a
> >> > questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
use
> > a
> >> > variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
> >> >
> >> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure
> > you it
> >> was not "fale."
> >>
> >>
> >
> > False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role
model,
> > Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of
his
> > many enemies.
> >
> You keep saying role model, why? People have made fun of my typos,
are you
> as ****ed about that?
>
> >> > For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
> > that
> >> > when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
they
> >> > should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
behave
> >> > differently than other people do that post there.
> >>
> >> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make
no
> >
> >> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
> >>
> >
> > You miss the point entirely.
>
> Yes you do.
>
> You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet
> > this is not a professional environment.
>
> That doesn't mean you should behave like a barbarian. It doesn't
excuse
> you, and it doesn't mean you should forget what that professionis
about.
>
I behave about the same, no better or worse, than many of RAO's
posters. RAO, like other unmoderated NGs, has people from a variety of
professions and occupations. A lot of them attack other people and
respond when attacked. To expect everybody else to continue flaming
away (including yourself) while falsely claiming that a professional
should not, especially on a purely recreational, not professional
forum, is both unrealistic and ludicrous.
Your behavior is as bad if not
> > worse, than that of most of the people here.
>
> And that means it's OK for you to act the same? Or worse?
I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and attempt to impose self-serving
double standards on others. Those that do that are just looking for an
easy path to more and more flaming. Or to put it another way, they
want to provide the heat, but don't want to get any in return.
>
> At least they haven't
> > engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at
> > another person's occupation, identity, etc.
>
> You can repeat this ad nauseum, it won't make what I've said anything
more
> than my opinions.
And you can falsely state that your provably false statements afe
"opinions", and that won't change the fact that they are lies. You
could say Germany is in South America, but the evidence would indicate
that you had lied. Similarly, the evidence here is concrete,
verifiable, and proves that you are lying.
>
> You, no doubt, find fault
> > with the behavior of many people here that have accurately
described
> > the many problems with your RAO conduct.
>
> No, I find fault with the whole ****ing mess. I do notice that when
I was
> on topic, people like you come out and look for a fight.
> >
> >
> >
> >> People post on
> >> > recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
> > and
> >> > unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
> >>
> >> And you seem to relish the insult part.
> >>
> >
> > You definitely do, hypocrite.
>
> I enjoy it when it's light hearted and not personal. I enjoy it when
> blustering fools get shot down for their ignorance. I do not enjoy
endless
> catfights abouyt how wronged people have been by somebody or how they
have
> to fight back because someone said somnething bad. It's way too
childish
> for for grown folks. For a mental health professional, it certainly
> ridiculous.
>
It is no more ridiculous for a mental health professional to defend
himself against the idiotic, juvenile name-calling and flames that
people like you are known for, than for anybody else to do the same.
No matter how often you try and excuse the behavior of everybody else
while you rationalise your double standards attempts to prevent
retaliation, the argument is both hypocritical and self-serving. As
I've said above, you're just trying to prevent people attacked from
striking back. We both know that RAO is a playground, not a work
environment.
> You've rarely met a Krueger flame you
> > can't supplement and endorse.
>
> Care to back that up with anything from Google?
>
> You're also among the first to smear
> > other people that don't support your extreme prejudices.
> >
> Got any proof?
> >
> >> To
> >> > expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
> > unrealistic
> >> > and unfair.
> >> >
> >> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
> > when you
> >> say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > So why don't you ignore them?
>
> I ignore mostof it. If I didn't I wouyld be here 24 hours a day.
>
>
You're not attacked *that* often. You have engaged in plenty of
personal attacks, and many of them have been unprovoked.
Practice what you preach, hypocrite.
> > I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other
> > misfits that have nothing better to do with their time.
> >
> And then other times you start attacxk threads or attack somebody in
the
> middle of a thread like the Julian Hirsch thread, which no mnatter
how you
> try to spin it, made you an ass.
>
When I start an attack thread, it is almost always, if not always, in
response to one from your role model, Krueger, or one of a few other
people. You can check the Google record, and you'll see that mine are
in retaliation, unlike Krueger, who has been running wild with them
lately, since he's becoming more unstable and agitated as the evidence
against him gets presented.
> >>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my
> > use
> >> > of
> >> >> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
about
> > my
> >> > mental
> >> >> state.
> >> >
> >> > I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
> > mental
> >> > state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
else.
> >>
> >> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
assume
> > that is
> >> true,
> >
> > It's a fact, not an assumption.
> >
> > it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms
> >> about people you don't know.
> >>
> >
> > As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic.
>
> Sorry, you don't get to divorce your profession from your use of
professioal
> terms.
>
>
You don't determine what are and are not professional terms for use by
a psychologist. You've again made a false statement about diagnoses,
and now you're just trying to backpedal and spin your obvious lies.
You also don't determine how anybody should behave on a NG when they
are attacked,and their profession or occupation makes no difference,
since that's not what's being discussed, except, of course, when you
choose to smear it, as has been your habit. This is supposed to be an
audio forum, not a mental health forum. However, since much of the
online behavior consists of people attacking the mental health of
others (such as your friend, Krueger, calling people delusional, insane
and senile), it's perfectly appropriate to describe his behavior for
what most of us know it is - a set of false beliefs about others that
has no evidence to support it. iOW, a set of delusional beliefs.
That's a description based on the evidence, and one that many of made,
not just me. The fact that you think he "stands for truth" doesn't
change the basic facts.
They
> > are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online
behavior of
> > some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face
evaluation
> > and a bunch of other information as well in most cases.
>
> Feel free to use them there, find other words here.
>
> I don't see you
> > criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's
> > misapplied over and over again to many different posters.
> >
> If they were mental health professionals I doubt they would, if they
did,
> I'd be on their asses too.
You'd be both wrong and acting inappropriately in both cases. To
assume that *anybody* coming here, no matter what their profession, is
going to just ignore personal attacks against them is both naive and
unrealistic. Engineers are supposed to be "professionals", as are
people rrom other fields, yet we find more than a few here flaming
away.
>
> >> You
> >> > have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
is
> >> > clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
of
> >> > ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
> >> >
> >> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling
> > people
> >> delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
> >>
> >
> > Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is
entitled to
> > use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of
what
> > they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!!
> >
> > Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"?
> >
>
> Have you ever heard of leading by example? You're the one who's
supposed to
> be able to help a diseased mind, yet here you act more crazy than
almost
> anyone else.
>
>
That's the type of provably false statement and delusional statement
for which you are ridiculed and despised. Shall we take a vote on
that, you lying idiot? Let's ask the RAO readership at large what they
thing of Krueger's and Lionel's mental status, for example, or yours,
when you act like a fool and make idiotic statements like that.
>
> > That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And
> > insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term.
Again,
> > you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you
> > support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using
> > terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a
person
> > who happens to be a psychologist can not. See the hypocrisy in
that
> > attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks?
> >
> Then change professions.
>
Change your way of acting on public newsgroups. Stop your alnost 7
year history of deliberately lying, libeling and distorting the facts
about me. Stop the self-serving hypocrisy that is as foolish as you
are in your assinne evaluations and false claims.
>
> >
> >> > As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
no
> > way
> >> > of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
to
> >> > voice an opinion.
> >>
> >> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about
> > something
> >> you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me
of
> > doing.
> >>
> >
> > Not quite. Many of my credentials have been posted on RAO and many
are
> > easily verified, since they are part of the public record or school
> > records.
>
> What can be verified is that they belong to someone with that name
has those
> credentials. I remain suspicious of them belonging to you.
>
Then you're an idiot. By all means, report the person claiming to be
Dr. Bruce J. Richman, clinical psychlogist, to the legal authorities
since impersonating a psychologist is illegal.
If you think any psychologist is going to be impersonated for very long
by anybody without a complaint being made to the authorities, you're
even more stupid than most of us already know you are.
Perhaps you can explain how an impersonator has managed to avoid legal
penalties for almost 7 years? No? You're the crazy person here with
your devotion to denial of reality as it pertains to me.
> In addition, others have verified them and reported it on
> > RAO. The fact that you contiue to deny reality is your problem,
not
> > mine.
> >
> It's not real until I am satisfied. That they are is all well and
good for
> them, it hasn't been proven to ME.
See above. Report the impostor to the police. After they investigate
and then perhaps arrest *you* for filing a false complaint, pehaps
you'll be convinced.
Also, let us know when Elvis leaves the building.
> >>
> >> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
> >> > "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
using
> > many
> >> > prescriptions at the same time. :)
> >> >
> >> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
prescription,
> > which
> >> is also not true.
> >>
> >
> > That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've
> > actually said.
>
> What part of the words ":seem to be imply' do you not understand?
>
>
I understand that you are paranoid as hell when it comes to your many
enemies, including me, on RAO. I understand that you trade in innuendo
and false misrepresentations about what others have actually said
and/or done.
Many people that are addicted to various types of
> > medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's
known as
> > "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo
different
> > doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of
times
> > with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this
applies
> > to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person
says "I
> > have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage
> > pattern.
> >
>
> That's their problem not mine. You are still seeming to imply some
> connection with that behavior and mine.
>
Another assumption is not supported by the facts. You just love to
read things into what other people say, don't you? Sort of like your
misinterpretations of many other things I've actually said.
>
> >> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
them,
> > I
> >> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
> > amount of
> >> money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain.
> >
> > Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for
pain
> > anaesthesia?
>
> No.
>
Well, perhaps you should before you opt for more radical treatment
methods like surgery.
> Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if
> > done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a
fairly
> > wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself
through
> > a Google search for references.
> >
> I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain.
Both methods have been used with many different types of pain, as well
as a large number of real physical problems. If you think that pain is
purely a physical problem for a person, than you're a fool.
>
> > I'm going
> >> to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a
viable
> > option.
> >> As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something
> > you do if
> >> it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than
> > from
> >> oxicontin.
> >
> > See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic
training
> > (or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain
conditions
> > in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to
the
> > sensations of pain.
>
> That's not my problem look up spinal stenosis.
>
> Also, I've personally, as part of my training,
> > seen people undergo oral surgery without any anaesthesia at all (a
> > large number of tooth extractions) - a procedure that would be very
> > painful - under nothing more than hypnosis. The patient reported
only
> > feeling some dull pressure from the dental instruments, but no
pain.
> >
> >>
> >> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
he
> > was
> >> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a
> > far safer
> >> drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol.
> >
> > They are both subject to abuse.
> >
> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is
a
> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
practice in
> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
Psychology
> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin.
You
> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me. He graduated a
little
> > before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim
> > Bieri or Norman Prentice were.
> >
> I'll make a note.
>
> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a
false
> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really think
anybody
> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's
AGAINST
> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE
NOT.
>
> You could still be a shrink, but some other one.
>
Duh........... that would still be impersonation of a person with a
known identity. I could also be Santa Claus or Elvis.
> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
anxious
> > to be arrested.
> >
>
> Nor do you act like anything more than a petualnt school boy when you
are
> here.
Bull****. I simply defend myself against the juvenile name-calling and
smears of chronic flamesr like you.
> > If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years
and
> > issue a retraction, that is your problem.
> >
> I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?
There's none for me to accept. OTOH, you've been making for false
staements about me for a long time, and it's time for you to admit it.
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 08:50 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >> >> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> >> >> oups.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >
> ink.net...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in
> message
>> >> >> >> >>
> ink.net...
>> >> >> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
> Miami
>> >> > area?
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you
> would
>> >> > expect
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>> >> >> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
>> > using.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>> >> > person's
>> >> >> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
> almost 7
>> >> > years.
>> >> >> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
>> > information
>> >> >> > received from a questionable source.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>> >> > behavior with
>> >> >> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
> on
>> > the
>> >> > matter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>> >> > identity, my professional activities
>> >>
>> >> They are still opinions.
>> >>
>> >
>> > A lie by any other name is still a lie.
>>
>> A lie requires you to know it is a lie.
>
> No, it does not. Conscious intent is not required. If somebody says
> Germany is in South America, they are lying.
No they are mistaken, unless they know better.
They are making a false
> statement.
Which is not the same as a lie.
If they were under oath in a court room, they could be
> charged with perjury.
They don't charge with perjury if you don't know what you said was not true.
Their ignorance would not be a reasonable
> defense unless they were significantly retarded.
>
Then you'll have to quote some legal ruling that says so or from a state law
that says so. If someonme testifies under oath and does not know what they
are saying is untrue, they are not charged to the best of my knowledge.
There is no intent to decieve.
>>
>> Deliberate avoidance of
>> > concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is
>> > lying, not stating opinions.
>> >
>> >
>> I'm not avoiding it, it just hasn't proven anything.
>>
>>
>
> Another false statement.
>
It would be considered evidence, but it is far from conclusive.
>
>>> (about which you actually know
>> >> > nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>> >>
>> >> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information
>> > while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost
> all
>> > other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies.
>> >
>> Crystal ball again? They are easier to convince.
>> >
>> > There is a difference
>> >> > between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
> your
>> >> > lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
> and
>> > over
>> >> > again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
> or
>> >> > disbelieve.
>> >>
>> >> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way
> to
>> > know
>> >> if they are true, they are hearsay.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the
>> > information I have presented.
>>
>> Good for them. I haven't.
>
> Becaus you prefer to keep lying about these things.
>
No, because this is a NG and you can say anything. Saying something is true
doesn't make it so.
>>
>> You've chosen to ignore it and contiue
>> > your lies and libel campaign.
The only one on a campaign here is you, you keep bringing it up.
But you only believe people that say
>> > what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed
> that
>> > Krueger "stands for the truth",
>>
>> Provide an in context quote for that, because if you can't and I made
> that
>> statement you'd say it was a lie.
>>
>>
>
> It's part of one of your posts in which you said you support Krueger
> because he "stands for the truth".
About Audio. Try staying in context.
I specifically reember you saying
> that when I criticized your defense of his posting behavior and failure
> to criticize his obvious attacks on other people.
>
Partly because for 10 years I've seen him attacked for telling the truth.
>
> even though a number of different RAO
>> > posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods)
> that
>> > he has frequently lied.
>> >
I've seen people say it, I've never seen anybody prove he's done anything
more than jerk some chains and RESPOND to attacks.
>> A number of peop;e have lied about him as well, are you as ****ed
> about
>> that?
>> >
>> > Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>> >> > information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
> a
>> >> > questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
> use
>> > a
>> >> > variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>> >> >
>> >> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure
>> > you it
>> >> was not "fale."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role
> model,
>> > Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of
> his
>> > many enemies.
>> >
>> You keep saying role model, why? People have made fun of my typos,
> are you
>> as ****ed about that?
>>
>> >> > For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
>> > that
>> >> > when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
> they
>> >> > should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
> behave
>> >> > differently than other people do that post there.
>> >>
>> >> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make
> no
>> >
>> >> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You miss the point entirely.
>>
>> Yes you do.
>>
>> You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet
>> > this is not a professional environment.
>>
And you are the one that keeps hammering people overthe head about your
professional backround. You are the one who constantly refers to examples
of various disorders and comparing them to people on RAO you don't like.
You want to have it both ways.
>> That doesn't mean you should behave like a barbarian. It doesn't
> excuse
>> you, and it doesn't mean you should forget what that profession is
> about.
>>
>
> I behave about the same, no better or worse, than many of RAO's
> posters.
That hardly makes it OK.
RAO, like other unmoderated NGs, has people from a variety of
> professions and occupations. A lot of them attack other people and
> respond when attacked. To expect everybody else to continue flaming
> away (including yourself) while falsely claiming that a professional
> should not, especially on a purely recreational, not professional
> forum, is both unrealistic and ludicrous.
>
>
> Your behavior is as bad if not
>> > worse, than that of most of the people here.
>>
>> And that means it's OK for you to act the same? Or worse?
>
> I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and attempt to impose self-serving
> double standards on others. Those that do that are just looking for an
> easy path to more and more flaming. Or to put it another way, they
> want to provide the heat, but don't want to get any in return.
>
Bruce you see flames where there's barely any smoke. You say it's wrong for
Arny to use prior attacks against him as justification for flaming but then
you do the same ****ing thing.
>
>>
>> At least they haven't
>> > engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at
>> > another person's occupation, identity, etc.
>>
>> You can repeat this ad nauseum, it won't make what I've said anything
> more
>> than my opinions.
>
> And you can falsely state that your provably false statements afe
> "opinions", and that won't change the fact that they are lies.
Blah, blah. In my opinion nobody has PROVRD you are who you say you are.
There is a likelihood that you are in fact who you say are, but there is
also apossiblilityu you aren't. My instincts say you aren't. My instincts
are usually right, not always, but usually. Until I get proof to MY OWN
satisfaction, I will remain skeptical. Should I find out I'm wrong it won't
change much about my feelings about how you act here. And even though this
is a public forum where you can say what you want, someone with your
backround, should know better, mnore is expected from you , like it or not.
You
> could say Germany is in South America, but the evidence would indicate
> that you had lied.
If I said it would be a lie, but if someone who had no idea where it
actually was said it, it would simply be an error.
Similarly, the evidence here is concrete,
> verifiable, and proves that you are lying.
>
No, it's hearsay.
>>
>> You, no doubt, find fault
>> > with the behavior of many people here that have accurately
> described
>> > the many problems with your RAO conduct.
>>
>> No, I find fault with the whole ****ing mess. I do notice that when
> I was
>> on topic, people like you come out and look for a fight.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> People post on
>> >> > recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
>> > and
>> >> > unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>> >>
>> >> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You definitely do, hypocrite.
>>
>> I enjoy it when it's light hearted and not personal. I enjoy it when
>
>> blustering fools get shot down for their ignorance. I do not enjoy
> endless
>> catfights about how wronged people have been by somebody or how they
> have
>> to fight back because someone said somnething bad. It's way too
> childish
>> for for grown folks. For a mental health professional, it certainly
>> ridiculous.
>>
>
> It is no more ridiculous for a mental health professional to defend
> himself against the idiotic, juvenile name-calling and flames
It is if he does it in a ridiculous, idiotic, and juvenile way.
that
> people like you are known for, than for anybody else to do the same.
I start most conversations with an attempt at reasonable discussion. I'm
nearly always responding to attacks when I get nasty. There are some few
exceptions. The Julian Hirsch thread was a prime example. There was no
reason, no justification and no class involved in making a personal attack
against Arny in that thread, it was stupid, boorish and juvenile.
> No matter how often you try and excuse the behavior of everybody else
> while you rationalise your double standards attempts to prevent
> retaliation, the argument is both hypocritical and self-serving.
Not really. I still try and stay non-inflammatory and I don't go looking
for people to flame. I've started a few flame threads, but it is not my
habit. You've probably done more of it the last month than I have in 10
years.
As
> I've said above, you're just trying to prevent people attacked from
> striking back.
Actually, that's a very good stategy. Don't respond and they will
eventually shut up.
We both know that RAO is a playground, not a work
> environment.
>
That doesn't mean we should **** here.
>
>
>> You've rarely met a Krueger flame you
>> > can't supplement and endorse.
>>
>> Care to back that up with anything from Google?
>>
I didn't think so.
>> You're also among the first to smear
>> > other people that don't support your extreme prejudices.
>> >
>> Got any proof?
>> >
I didn't think so.
>> >> To
>> >> > expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
>> > unrealistic
>> >> > and unfair.
>> >> >
>> >> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
>> > when you
>> >> say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> > So why don't you ignore them?
>>
>> I ignore most of it. If I didn't I would be here 24 hours a day.
>>
>>
>
> You're not attacked *that* often. You have engaged in plenty of
> personal attacks, and many of them have been unprovoked.
>
And many of them have been. The ones that arent' are usually cases like the
Julian Hirsch thread you **** on.
>
> Practice what you preach, hypocrite.
>> > I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other
>> > misfits that have nothing better to do with their time.
>> >
>> And then other times you start attacxk threads or attack somebody in
> the
>> middle of a thread like the Julian Hirsch thread, which no mnatter
> how you
>> try to spin it, made you an ass.
>>
>
> When I start an attack thread, it is almost always, if not always, in
> response to one from your role model,
He's not my role model. I respect his knowledge of audio.
Krueger, or one of a few other
> people.
Why start an attack thread at all? What do you gain from it? How does it
help anything.
Lead by example. Same thing I told Arny.
You can check the Google record, and you'll see that mine are
> in retaliation, unlike Krueger, who has been running wild with them
> lately, since he's becoming more unstable and agitated as the evidence
> against him gets presented.
>
I've checked the Google record and you make more personal attacks.
>
>
>
>> >>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my
>> > use
>> >> > of
>> >> >> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
> about
>> > my
>> >> > mental
>> >> >> state.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
>> > mental
>> >> > state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
> else.
>> >>
>> >> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
> assume
>> > that is
>> >> true,
>> >
>> > It's a fact, not an assumption.
>> >
>> > it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms
>> >> about people you don't know.
>> >>
>> >
>> > As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic.
>>
>> Sorry, you don't get to divorce your profession from your use of
> professioal
>> terms.
>>
>>
>
> You don't determine what are and are not professional terms for use by
> a psychologist. You've again made a false statement about diagnoses,
> and now you're just trying to backpedal and spin your obvious lies.
Nope, I'm calling it like I see it.
> You also don't determine how anybody should behave on a NG when they
> are attacked,and their profession or occupation makes no difference,
Just tell me whjat you gain from it?
> since that's not what's being discussed, except, of course, when you
> choose to smear it, as has been your habit.
I don't smear the profession, I respect the profession, I just don't like
the way YOU act and it strikes me as ****ing wierd that YOU could be a
person getting paid to solve people's emotional problems when you seem to be
one.
This is supposed to be an
> audio forum, not a mental health forum.
Then stop discussing mental health here.
However, since much of the
> online behavior consists of people attacking the mental health of
> others (such as your friend, Krueger, calling people delusional, insane
> and senile),
He wouldn't have an couldn't have if you hadn't been blabbing mental health
this and delusional that every time you hit the ****ing keyboard.
it's perfectly appropriate to describe his behavior for
> what most of us know it is - a set of false beliefs about others that
> has no evidence to support it.
If it's not approriate for him it's less so for you.
iOW, a set of delusional beliefs.
> That's a description based on the evidence, and one that many of made,
> not just me. The fact that you think he "stands for truth" doesn't
> change the basic facts.
>
>
How anyt times are you going to use those word out of context?
>
> They
>> > are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online
> behavior of
>> > some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face
> evaluation
>> > and a bunch of other information as well in most cases.
>>
Then when you do one and have the patients permission, you can do so. In
the mean time you should be using whatever skill you have to make tinjgs
better, noit try to show that you can be worse.
>> Feel free to use them there, find other words here.
>>
>> I don't see you
>> > criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's
>> > misapplied over and over again to many different posters.
>> >
I don't see him spending endless bandwidth on such ****. If he wasn't
responded to and wasn't attacked for nearly everything he says, regardless
of what it might be, he'd hardly be sayinmg anything that wasn't audio
related.
>> If they were mental health professionals I doubt they would, if they
> did,
>> I'd be on their asses too.
>
> You'd be both wrong and acting inappropriately in both cases. To
> assume that *anybody* coming here, no matter what their profession, is
> going to just ignore personal attacks against them is both naive and
> unrealistic.
Probably, but thenm I expect frown ups to behave better, including myself.
Engineers are supposed to be "professionals", as are
> people rrom other fields, yet we find more than a few here flaming
> away.
>
What we find is engineers saying that wire is wire, (a truth) or that
competently dsigned amps sound alike, (another truth) and thenm being told
they said something entirely different, or that they can't hear.
>
>>
>> >> You
>> >> > have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
> is
>> >> > clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
> of
>> >> > ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>> >> >
>> >> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling
>> > people
>> >> delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is
> entitled to
>> > use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of
> what
>> > they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!!
>> >
>> > Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"?
>> >
>>
>> Have you ever heard of leading by example? You're the one who's
> supposed to
>> be able to help a diseased mind, yet here you act more crazy than
> almost
>> anyone else.
>>
>>
> That's the type of provably false statement and delusional statement
That's an opinion based on observation.
> for which you are ridiculed and despised. Shall we take a vote on
> that, you lying idiot?
Why not start another one of those non-existent attack threads yo never
start unless atacked?
Let's ask the RAO readership at large what they
> thing of Krueger's and Lionel's mental status, for example, or yours,
> when you act like a fool and make idiotic statements like that.
>
So we can get the same 5 or 8 Bozo's saying the same **** over and ovder
again?
>
>>
>> > That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And
>> > insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term.
Ok let me rephrase, you act at least as childish and asinine as anybody you
criticise.
> Again,
>> > you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you
>> > support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using
>> > terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a
> person
>> > who happens to be a psychologist can not.
Actually, I'm arguing for one standard, maturity.
See the hypocrisy in
> that
>> > attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks?
>> >
>> Then change professions.
>>
>
> Change your way of acting on public newsgroups. Stop your alnost 7
> year history of deliberately lying, libeling and distorting the facts
> about me. Stop the self-serving hypocrisy that is as foolish as you
> are in your assinne evaluations and false claims.
>
I can't stop whay I haven't started.
>> >
>
>
>
>> >
>
>
>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
> I understand that you are paranoid as hell when it comes to your many
> enemies, including me, on RAO.
It's not paranoia, it's skepticism.
>
> Many people that are addicted to various types of
>> > medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's
> known as
>> > "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo
> different
>> > doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of
> times
>> > with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this
> applies
>> > to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person
> says "I
>> > have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage
>> > pattern.
>> >
>>
>> That's their problem not mine. You are still seeming to imply some
>> connection with that behavior and mine.
>>
>
> Another assumption is not supported by the facts.
A reasonable interpretation of what you just said.
You just love to
> read things into what other people say, don't you?
If irony killed.
>
>>
>> >> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
> them,
>> > I
>> >> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
>> > amount of
>> >> money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain.
>> >
>> > Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for
> pain
>> > anaesthesia?
>>
>> No.
>>
>
> Well, perhaps you should before you opt for more radical treatment
> methods like surgery.
>
>
>> Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if
>> > done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a
> fairly
>> > wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself
> through
>> > a Google search for references.
>> >
>> I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain.
>
> Both methods have been used with many different types of pain, as well
> as a large number of real physical problems. If you think that pain is
> purely a physical problem for a person, than you're a fool.
>
Thanks for putting words in my mouth again.
>>
>> > I'm going
>> >> to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a
> viable
>> > option.
>> >> As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something
>> > you do if
>> >> it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than
>> > from
>> >> oxicontin.
>> >
>> > See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic
> training
>> > (or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain
> conditions
>> > in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to
> the
>> > sensations of pain.
>>
>> That's not my problem look up spinal stenosis.
>>
>
>
>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
> anxious
>> > to be arrested.
>> >
>>
>> Nor do you act like anything more than a petualnt school boy when you
> are
>> here.
>
> Bull****. I simply defend myself against the juvenile name-calling and
> smears of chronic flamesr like you.
>
That would be great if it were true.
>
>> > If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years
> and
>> > issue a retraction, that is your problem.
I'm perfectly willing to accept I'm wrong anytime, once it's proven to me,
to my satisfaction.
>> >
>> I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?
>
> There's none for me to accept.
LOL! And here I thought we might actuyally have a serious discussion.
Clyde Slick
January 15th 05, 03:33 PM
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>> nk.net...
>>>> >
>>>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>> > ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>> >> ink.net...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>> >>> oups.com...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>> >>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>> >>>>> oups.com...
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>> >>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>> >>>>> >> ...
>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>> >>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> ink.net...
>>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in
>>> message
>>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>> ink.net...
>>>> >>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
>>> Miami
>>>> >>>> area?
>>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you
>>> would
>>>> >>>> expect
>>>> >>>>> > to
>>>> >>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>> >>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>>>> >>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
>>> using.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>>>> >>>> person's
>>>> >>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
>>> almost 7
>>>> >>>> years.
>>>> >>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
>>> information
>>>> >>>>> > received from a questionable source.
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>>>> >>>> behavior with
>>>> >>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
>>> on the
>>>> >>>> matter.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>>>> >>>> identity, my professional activities
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> They are still opinions.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> (about which you actually know
>>>> >>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There is a difference
>>>> >>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
>>> your
>>>> >>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
>>> and over
>>>> >>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
>>> or
>>>> >>>> disbelieve.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
>>> way to
>>>> >>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>>>> >>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
>>> a
>>>> >>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
>>> use a
>>>> >>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
>>> assure you
>>>> >>> it was not "fale."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
>>> that
>>>> >>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
>>> they
>>>> >>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
>>> behave
>>>> >>>> differently than other people do that post there.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
>>> make no
>>>> >>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> People post on
>>>> >>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
>>> and
>>>> >>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> To
>>>> >>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
>>> unrealistic
>>>> >>>> and unfair.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
>>> when
>>>> >>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
>>> gasoline?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
>>> my use
>>>> >>>> of
>>>> >>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
>>> about my
>>>> >>>> mental
>>>> >>>>> state.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
>>> mental
>>>> >>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
>>> else.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
>>> assume
>>>> >>> that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
>>>> >>> diagnostic terms about people you don't know.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You
>>>> >>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
>>> is
>>>> >>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
>>> of
>>>> >>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
>>> calling
>>>> >>> people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
>>> no way
>>>> >>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
>>> to
>>>> >>>> voice an opinion.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
>>> about
>>>> >>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
>>> you
>>>> >>> accuse me of doing.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>>>> >>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
>>> using many
>>>> >>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
>>> prescription,
>>>> >>> which is also not true.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
>>> them, I
>>>> >>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
>>> amount
>>>> >>> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
>>> pain. I'm
>>>> >>> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
>>> a
>>>> >>> viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
>>> is not
>>>> >>> something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
>>> risks,
>>>> >>> far more than from oxicontin.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
>>> he was
>>>> >>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
>>> a far
>>>> >>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
>>> Tylenol.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
>>> situation.
>>>> >> BTW, you are wrong for your
>>>> >> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
>>>> >> Its the hydrocordone.
>>>> >>
>>>> > No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
>>> long a
>>>> > time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
>>> effects to
>>>> > your health.
>>>> >
>>>> Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.
>>>
>>> Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
>>> Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
>>> my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
>>> functioning.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Which one of the two is most dangerous?
>> Tylenol or hydrocone?
>> Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?
> They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol can
> kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse, it can
> simply be from taking it for a long period of time.
>
> Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate.
>
> Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of
> Tylenol.
>
I asked about hydrocodone (sorry about my spelling error)
not oxycontin. They are not exactly the same.
Now I will also ask the same question about codeine vs Tylenol.
Oxycontin is not exactly the
Bruce J. Richman
January 15th 05, 06:07 PM
Paul Dormer wrote:
> Bruce Richman, verified, wrote :
>
> >
> >That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've
> >actually said. Many people that are addicted to various types of
> >medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known
as
> >"doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different
> >doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times
> >with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this
applies
> >to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says
"I
> >have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage
> >pattern.
>
> In the UK patients details are held on a centralized database. AFAIK
> it doesn't matter whether you're in a doctors surgery, A&E
department,
> or any other govt recognized medical facility - the patients records
> are pulled up on computer.
That's a reasonable approach. As I'm sure you realize, in a system
dominated by private practitioners, that would be hard to implement
unless it was required by law. About the closest thing I've discovered
here is the use of a database by several large pharmacy chains that
have stores throughout the US, so if a patient tries to get a
prescription filled at one store, it can quickly be checked for
duplication - particularly if it is a "controlled substance" - a
designation used in the US for many habit-forming drugs such as
painkillers, tranquilizers, narcotics, etc.
>
> >Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain
> >anaesthesia?
>
> I had a course in hypnosis in an attemtp to relieve "restless legs"
> (Ekbom syndrome). It was not successful in alleviating the underlying
> symptoms, but I did learn some techniques for coping with it. I
> suspect Mikey might also learn some useful techniques for managing
> pain.
>
Well, at least you were open-minded enough and curious enough to
investigate some non-chemical treatment options. I'm not suggesting
that pain is purely psychological, but it's long been known that a
specific person's perception of pain and their ability to tolerate it
can be significantly influenced by psychological factors.
>
> S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
> -----------------------------------
> It's Grim down south..
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 06:57 PM
"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>> nk.net...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>> > ...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>> >> ink.net...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>>> >>> oups.com...
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>> oups.com...
>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>>>> >> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>> ink.net...
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >>>>> >> >> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>>> ink.net...
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>> Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
>>>> Miami
>>>>> >>>> area?
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>> Bellsouth?
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >>>>> >> >> It's just that there's this person's phone number you
>>>> would
>>>>> >>>> expect
>>>>> >>>>> > to
>>>>> >>>>> >> >> find in their books, but it doesn't show up.
>>>>> >>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>>>> >> > you are really obsessed with this!
>>>>> >>>>> >> Not nearly as much as he is with me.
>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>> > Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.
>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>> No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
>>>> using.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> > I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
>>>>> >>>> person's
>>>>> >>>>> > identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
>>>> almost 7
>>>>> >>>> years.
>>>>> >>>>> > I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
>>>> information
>>>>> >>>>> > received from a questionable source.
>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>> Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
>>>>> >>>> behavior with
>>>>> >>>>> your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
>>>> on the
>>>>> >>>> matter.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
>>>>> >>>> identity, my professional activities
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> They are still opinions.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> (about which you actually know
>>>>> >>>> nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There is a difference
>>>>> >>>> between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
>>>> your
>>>>> >>>> lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
>>>> and over
>>>>> >>>> again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
>>>> or
>>>>> >>>> disbelieve.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
>>>> way to
>>>>> >>> know if they are true, they are hearsay.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
>>>>> >>>> information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
>>>> a
>>>>> >>>> questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
>>>> use a
>>>>> >>>> variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>> I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
>>>> assure you
>>>>> >>> it was not "fale."
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
>>>> that
>>>>> >>>> when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
>>>> they
>>>>> >>>> should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
>>>> behave
>>>>> >>>> differently than other people do that post there.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
>>>> make no
>>>>> >>> difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> People post on
>>>>> >>>> recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
>>>> and
>>>>> >>>> unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> And you seem to relish the insult part.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> To
>>>>> >>>> expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
>>>> unrealistic
>>>>> >>>> and unfair.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>> Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
>>>> when
>>>>> >>> you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
>>>> gasoline?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
>>>> my use
>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>> >>>>> legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
>>>> about my
>>>>> >>>> mental
>>>>> >>>>> state.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
>>>> mental
>>>>> >>>> state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
>>>> else.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
>>>> assume
>>>>> >>> that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
>>>>> >>> diagnostic terms about people you don't know.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> You
>>>>> >>>> have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
>>>> is
>>>>> >>>> clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
>>>> of
>>>>> >>>> ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>> I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
>>>> calling
>>>>> >>> people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
>>>> no way
>>>>> >>>> of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
>>>> to
>>>>> >>>> voice an opinion.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
>>>> about
>>>>> >>> something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
>>>> you
>>>>> >>> accuse me of doing.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
>>>>> >>>> "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
>>>> using many
>>>>> >>>> prescriptions at the same time. :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>> An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
>>>> prescription,
>>>>> >>> which is also not true.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
>>>> them, I
>>>>> >>> would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
>>>> amount
>>>>> >>> of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
>>>> pain. I'm
>>>>> >>> going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
>>>> a
>>>>> >>> viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
>>>> is not
>>>>> >>> something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
>>>> risks,
>>>>> >>> far more than from oxicontin.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
>>>> he was
>>>>> >>> obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
>>>> a far
>>>>> >>> safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
>>>> Tylenol.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
>>>> situation.
>>>>> >> BTW, you are wrong for your
>>>>> >> inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
>>>>> >> Its the hydrocordone.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> > No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
>>>> long a
>>>>> > time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
>>>> effects to
>>>>> > your health.
>>>>> >
>>>>> Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.
>>>>
>>>> Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
>>>> Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
>>>> my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
>>>> functioning.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which one of the two is most dangerous?
>>> Tylenol or hydrocone?
>>> Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?
>> They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol
>> can kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse,
>> it can simply be from taking it for a long period of time.
>>
>> Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate.
>>
>> Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of
>> Tylenol.
>>
>
> I asked about hydrocodone (sorry about my spelling error)
> not oxycontin. They are not exactly the same.
>
OxiContin is hydrocondone in a time release form. From the PDR:
OxyContin is an opioid agonist and a Schedule II controlled substance with
an abuse liability similar to morphine.
Oxycodone can be abused in a manner similar to other opioid agonists, legal
or illicit. This should be considered when prescribing or dispensing
OxyContin in situations where the physician or pharmacist is concerned about
an increased risk of misuse, abuse, or diversion.
OxyContin Tablets are a controlled-release oral formulation of oxycodone
hydrochloride indicated for the management of moderate to severe pain when a
continuous, around-the-clock analgesic is needed for an extended period of
time.
OxyContin Tablets are NOT intended for use as a prn analgesic.
The chemical formula is 4,
5(alpha)-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one hydrochloride.
Oxycodone is a white, odorless crystalline powder derived from the opium
alkaloid, thebaine. Oxycodone hydrochloride dissolves in water (1 g in 6 to
7 mL). It is slightly soluble in alcohol (octanol water partition
coefficient 0.7). The tablets contain the following inactive ingredients:
ammonio methacrylate copolymer, hypromellose, lactose, magnesium stearate,
polyethylene glycol 400, povidone, sodium hydroxide, sorbic acid, stearyl
alcohol, talc, titanium dioxide, and triacetin.
The 10 mg tablets also contain: hydroxypropyl cellulose.
The 20 mg tablets also contain: polysorbate 80 and red iron oxide.
The 40 mg tablets also contain: polysorbate 80 and yellow iron oxide.
The 80 mg tablets also contain: FD&C blue No. 2, hydroxypropyl cellulose,
and yellow iron oxide.
The 160 mg tablets also contain: FD&C blue No. 2 and polysorbate 80.
Codeine is an alkaloid, obtained from opium or prepared from morphine by
methylation. Codeine phosphate occurs as fine, white, needle-shaped
crystals, or white, crystalline powder. It is affected by light. Its
chemical name is: 7,8-didehydro-
4,5(alpha)-epoxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6(alpha)-ol phosphate (1:1)
(salt) hemihydrate.
The hydrocodone component is
4,5(alpha)-epoxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one tartrate (1:1) hydrate
(2:5), a fine white crystal or crystalline powder, which is derived from the
opium alkaloid,
> Now I will also ask the same question about codeine vs Tylenol.
>
> Oxycontin is not exactly the
They are both derived from Opium. AFAIK they have the same risks and side
effects.
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 07:03 PM
"Paul Dormer" > wrote in message
...
> "Michael McKelvy" emitted :
>
>>> Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain
>>> anaesthesia?
>>
>>No.
>>
>> Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if
>>> done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly
>>> wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through
>>> a Google search for references.
>>>
>>I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain.
>
> Do you think surgery is painless?
Of course not.
Some people are able to put
> themselves into a relaxed state for surgery through hypnosis, such
> that they don't need anaesthetics. I think Bruce already mentioned
> this.
>
Assuming I had surgery, the goal would be that it would remove the casue of
the pain. Not having nerves rubbing against the vertabra should solve the
problem. While I'm certainly open to anything that can reduce or illiminate
the pain, I have some difficulty in accepting that that type of nerve pain
could be handled with biofeedback.
>
> S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
> -----------------------------------
> It's Grim down south..
Bruce J. Richman
January 15th 05, 07:09 PM
Paul Dormer wrote:
> "Michael McKelvy" emitted :
>
> >> Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for
pain
> >> anaesthesia?
> >
> >No.
> >
> > Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if
> >> done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a
fairly
> >> wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself
through
> >> a Google search for references.
> >>
> >I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain.
>
> Do you think surgery is painless? Some people are able to put
> themselves into a relaxed state for surgery through hypnosis, such
> that they don't need anaesthetics. I think Bruce already mentioned
> this.
>
>
Very true. I mentioned that I've seen extensive oral surgery performed
under hypnosis with no pain reactions by the patient. Also, it's well
known that women have given birth under hypnosis with no anaesthesia
and no evidence of pain being experienced.
Hypnosis is not designed to deal with the *cause* of the pain, but
rather some of the major contributing factors such as muscular
contractions that often arise from underlying conditions and cause
pain. And of course, there is also a cerfain amount of expectancy
involved with chronic pain patients. Hypnosis can work on this mental
component and train a person to expect a a different outcome from the
underlying biological condition.
Biofeedback training in which a person is trained to relax muscle
groups, for example, has also been used quite frequently in the
treatment of back pain, tension headaches, and many other conditions.
> S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
> -----------------------------------
> It's Grim down south..
Michael McKelvy
January 15th 05, 10:46 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>
> BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a
> psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in
> Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology
> doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You
> can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's talk
about this guy on a NG.
He graduated a little
> before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim
> Bieri or Norman Prentice were.
>
> Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false
> statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody
> is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST
> THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT.
> I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious
> to be arrested.
>
Let's see if I have this correct.
I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
You deny it.
You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a sockpuppet.
I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in on the
game.
Bruce J. Richman
January 16th 05, 02:57 AM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> >
> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is
a
> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
practice in
> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
Psychology
> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin.
You
> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
>
> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's
talk
> about this guy on a NG.
You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a damn
thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year campaign of
lies and libel. "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy. Just ask him if he
remembers another student that was in the same program (he was a year
ahead of me).
>
> He graduated a little
> > before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim
> > Bieri or Norman Prentice were.
> >
> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a
false
> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really think
anybody
> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's
AGAINST
> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE
NOT.
> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
anxious
> > to be arrested.
> >
> Let's see if I have this correct.
>
> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool of
yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
> You deny it.
Because you're full of ****.
> You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a
sockpuppet.
> I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in
on the
> game.
Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia. That's right,
Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving a
psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years and a
couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be alive. But
you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil, the
telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous other
conspirators.
The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to
say. He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
authorities to overlook this felony. He also hooked up a telephone
forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called
from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
wouldn't know. He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an
impostor claim he went to these places. They said fine, that they would
play along with the charade if any morons from California or Detroit
called to check. And of course, I notified the licensing board in
Florida that I'd be posing as a Florida licensed psychologist on a
public place so that anybody who cared to could verify this data, and
then report me to the authorities for using a license that doesn't
belong to me. Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
forever.
ROFLMAO !!!!
And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional when
applied to your online behavior? You just provided some very
convincing evidence that it fully applies.
Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid. It's the rest of the
world (almost) that's wrong.
ROFLMAO !!!!
Bruce J. Richman
January 16th 05, 03:59 AM
Paul "The Verifier" Dormer wrote:
>"Bruce J. Richman" emitted :
>
>>> >That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've
>>> >actually said. Many people that are addicted to various types of
>>> >medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as
>>> >"doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different
>>> >doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times
>>> >with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies
>>> >to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I
>>> >have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage
>>> >pattern.
>>>
>>> In the UK patients details are held on a centralized database. AFAIK
>>> it doesn't matter whether you're in a doctors surgery, A&E department,
>>> or any other govt recognized medical facility - the patients records
>>> are pulled up on computer.
>>
>>That's a reasonable approach. As I'm sure you realize, in a system
>>dominated by private practitioners, that would be hard to implement
>>unless it was required by law.
>
>I hadn't put much thought ot it. I'm surprised there isn't some sort
>of centralized patient-record system by law, as no doubt a lack of one
>must cause a lot of issues. That said - I'm not entirely sure what
>happens to your records in the UK when you visit a private medical
>facility, as I use the NHS.
>
In my opinion, the US needs some form of nationalized health care system. The
present system just leaves too many people without any medical care at all.
>>About the closest thing I've discovered
>>here is the use of a database by several large pharmacy chains that
>>have stores throughout the US, so if a patient tries to get a
>>prescription filled at one store, it can quickly be checked for
>>duplication - particularly if it is a "controlled substance" - a
>>designation used in the US for many habit-forming drugs such as
>>painkillers, tranquilizers, narcotics, etc.
>
>I'm sure William S. Burroughs would have found a way round that ;-)
>
As would Rush Limbaugh :)
>>> >Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain
>>> >anaesthesia?
>>>
>>> I had a course in hypnosis in an attemtp to relieve "restless legs"
>>> (Ekbom syndrome). It was not successful in alleviating the underlying
>>> symptoms, but I did learn some techniques for coping with it. I
>>> suspect Mikey might also learn some useful techniques for managing
>>> pain.
>>>
>>
>>Well, at least you were open-minded enough and curious enough to
>>investigate some non-chemical treatment options. I'm not suggesting
>>that pain is purely psychological, but it's long been known that a
>>specific person's perception of pain and their ability to tolerate it
>>can be significantly influenced by psychological factors.
>
>Makes sense. The worst thing you can do with pain is try to "fight"
>it. As it happens, I have R2-3 nerve damage aka Meralgia parenthetica.
>Having previously learned various relaxtion (inclduing self hypnosis)
>and breathing techniques, I'd have to say they are useful in managing
>pain without chemicals. YMMV.
>
Part of my practice involves teaching people how to relax. Ond of the most
potent methods I use is progrressive muscular relaxation training, which is
very similar to hypnotc relaxation inductions. It innvolves breathing
exercises as well. Also very kinds of visual imagery that people can associate
with being relaxed.
These procedures are not only use with pain problems, but also, obviously, with
many anxiety-based disorders, such as phobias, psychogenic sexual disorders
involving performance anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, etc.
('ve also been trained in hypnosis and sometimes use it with well motivated
patients.
>
>S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
>-----------------------------------
>It's Grim down south..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Bruce J. Richman
Bruce J. Richman
January 16th 05, 07:28 AM
Paul Dormer wrote:
>"Bruce J. Richman" emitted :
>
>>Very true. I mentioned that I've seen extensive oral surgery performed
>>under hypnosis with no pain reactions by the patient. Also, it's well
>>known that women have given birth under hypnosis with no anaesthesia
>>and no evidence of pain being experienced.
>
>Also, there are various proponents of self-induced pain, including
>folk who suspend themselves from meathooks for laughs. I'm not
>suggesting Mikey should be hung from a meathook but......... ;-)
>
Do you remember the famous scene from "On the Waterfront"? :-). Perhaps if
the decide do a modernized version, they'll consider him.
Speaking of self-induced pain, there are also people who walk on coals, lie on
beds of nails, etc. The mind-body connectin can be very strong.
>>Hypnosis is not designed to deal with the *cause* of the pain, but
>>rather some of the major contributing factors such as muscular
>>contractions that often arise from underlying conditions and cause
>>pain. And of course, there is also a cerfain amount of expectancy
>>involved with chronic pain patients. Hypnosis can work on this mental
>>component and train a person to expect a a different outcome from the
>>underlying biological condition.
>>
>>Biofeedback training in which a person is trained to relax muscle
>>groups, for example, has also been used quite frequently in the
>>treatment of back pain, tension headaches, and many other conditions.
>
>My last experience of biological feedback involved a stethoscope which
>I purchased from a vet. Freaked myself out!! :-)
>
LOL ! That'snot quite what I had in mind. :-). When I was in high school and
part of adolescent teenage smartasses that sometimes did sick jokes, we had a
physics teacher who was hard of hearing, and wore a hearing aid with a rather
large hearing device in his shirt pocket. (Hearing aids didn't used to be
miniaturized and one piece). This teacher was also quite a dork - he had no
sense of humor and often bored us with his complaints about everything.
Anyhow, by prior arrangement, we decided to teach him a liesson. One day, he
came into class and asked various students questions, we all moved our lips but
didn't say anything. After a while, he figured his heaing aid wasn't working
correctly, so he turned the volume way up. You can guess what happened the
next time he asked a question ! :)
Your story reminded me of that.
Personally, if I'm going to listen to heart beats, I only want it to be on an
audiophile version of Dark Side of the Moon. :-)
>
>S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
>-----------------------------------
>It's Grim down south..
>
>
Bruce J. Richman
Michael McKelvy
January 16th 05, 07:40 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is
> a
>> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
> practice in
>> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
> Psychology
>> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin.
> You
>> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
>>
>> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's
> talk
>> about this guy on a NG.
>
> You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a damn
> thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year campaign of
> lies and libel.
Keep calling it that. I'll keep telling th truth and call them opinions.
"Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
> paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
That was your school U Moron?
> You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy.
I'd have to along with some of your classic posts to show him how sane and
professional you have become in your old age.
Just ask him if he
> remembers another student that was in the same program (he was a year
> ahead of me).
>
>
>
>>
>> He graduated a little
>> > before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim
>> > Bieri or Norman Prentice were.
>> >
>> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a
> false
>> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really think
> anybody
>> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's
> AGAINST
>> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE
> NOT.
>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
> anxious
>> > to be arrested.
>> >
>> Let's see if I have this correct.
>>
>> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
>
> Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool of
> yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
>
>> You deny it.
>
>
>
>
>> You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a
> sockpuppet.
>> I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in
> on the
>> game.
>
> Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia.
Is that your word for healthy skepticism?
That's right,
> Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving a
> psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years and a
> couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be alive. But
> you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
> involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil, the
> telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous other
> conspirators.
>
Childs play compared to some of the really wierd stuff that's happened here
over the last decade. Hell, last night some guy who been flaming people for
nothing for 7 ****ing years, claimed he'd done no wrong, Oh wait, that was
you.
> The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to
> say.
So you finally come clean, eh?
He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
> impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
> authorities to overlook this felony.
There's no proof that the person posting as BJM is actually in Florida.
There's no reason you couldn't actually be a psychologist.
He also hooked up a telephone
> forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called
> from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
> wouldn't know.
Probably the real one got one of those call blockers that require extra
digits.
He was probably getting tired of all the calls from people you'd ****ed off.
He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
> th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an
> impostor claim he went to these places.
Fake CV's are a dime a dozen.
They said fine, that they would
> play along with the charade if any morons from California or Detroit
> called to check. And of course, I notified the licensing board in
> Florida that I'd be posing as a Florida licensed psychologist on a
> public place so that anybody who cared to could verify this data, and
> then report me to the authorities for using a license that doesn't
> belong to me.
Knowing a valid license number is not rocket science.
Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
> years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
> forever.
>
At least until they finish looking into your online behavior.
> And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional when
> applied to your online behavior?
When they come from a guy like you, abso-****ing-lutely.
You just provided some very
> convincing evidence that it fully applies.
>
And you've been providing evidence for 7 years that you are:
A: A sock puppet
B. A major league cry baby
C. A demented prankster
> Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid.
Oh, I'm sure of it.
It's the rest of the
> world (almost) that's wrong.
>
It's possible. The bottom line is, I'm skeptical, get over it.
Bruce J. Richman
January 16th 05, 09:17 AM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>
>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>
>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is
>> a
>>> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
>> practice in
>>> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
>> Psychology
>>> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin.
>> You
>>> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
>>>
>>> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's
>> talk
>>> about this guy on a NG.
>>
>> You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a damn
>> thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year campaign of
>> lies and libel.
>
>Keep calling it that. I'll keep telling th truth and call them opinions.
I intend to, because it exposes your dishonesty. Your attempts to mislabel
your false statements and lies as opinions are just more examples of your
chronic lying.
> "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
>> paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
>
>That was your school U Moron?
>
I wouldn't expect a documeneted imbecile like yourself to know this, but the
University of Texas at Austin has long bveen ranked among the top 10 or 20
graduate training programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States, you
fool.
I went there on a National Institutes of Mental Health Fellowship - hardly
something handed out to people that are developmentally disabled like yourself.
I also did a postdoctoral in Behavior Therapy in Temple University Medical
School in Philadelphia. And I interned at Massachusetts General Hospital in
Boston. Ever heard of those places, moron?
Oh, and where did you say you went to school?
>> You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy.
>
>I'd have to along with some of your classic posts to show him how sane and
>professional you have become in your old age.
If you do that, Dr. Lulow will no doubt be astute enough to have your
involuntarily committed under California law for exhibiting that you're either
dangerous to yourself or others, or unable to care for yourself because of a
mental illness (that's how the cdmmittment papers read in most states, but you
probably already know that from prior experiences with the mental hospital
system). IOW, he's know you're crazy and have you committed against your will.
After your release, you can rant and rave some more about how Drs. Richman,
Lulow and a couple of probably dead psychologists from the University of Texas
all conspired to fool him about my identity.
What were your exact words, ParanoiaBorg? Something like, "you're all in on
the game". I love it when you dig your little hole deeper and deeper. LOL !!
> Just ask him if he
>> remembers another student that was in the same program (he was a year
>> ahead of me).
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> He graduated a little
>>> > before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim
>>> > Bieri or Norman Prentice were.
>>> >
>>> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a
>> false
>>> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really think
>> anybody
>>> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's
>> AGAINST
>>> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE
>> NOT.
>>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
>> anxious
>>> > to be arrested.
>>> >
>>> Let's see if I have this correct.
>>>
>>> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
>>
>> Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool of
>> yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
>>
>>> You deny it.
>>
<At this point, McKelvy copied his role model, Krueger's, nasty habit of
deleting information that exposed his dishonesty:P
Here's what McKelvy deleted, in context.
Mckelvy said "You deny it".
Richman said "Because you're full of ****".
The above is just another example of McKelvy's attempts to misrepresent what
other people actually say and do. Of course, he can always call his deliberate
editing an "opinion".
LOL!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>> You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a
>> sockpuppet.
>>> I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in
>> on the
>>> game.
>>
>> Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia.
>
>Is that your word for healthy skepticism?
No, it's my term for a ridiculous statement in reference to a psychologist that
I have neither seen nor communicated with in over 30 years and 2 other
psychologists (whose roles only real clinical psychology graduate students in
that program would know, dumbass) that may or may not be alive. It's my term
for a conspiracy theory based on a set of false beliefs - AKA delusions. Very
similar to Krueger's conspiracy theories about cliques run by Middius or John
Atkinson.
> That's right,
>> Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving a
>> psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years and a
>> couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be alive. But
>> you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
>> involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil, the
>> telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous other
>> conspirators.
>>
>Childs play compared to some of the really wierd stuff that's happened here
>over the last decade. Hell, last night some guy who been flaming people for
>nothing for 7 ****ing years, claimed he'd done no wrong, Oh wait, that was
>you.
>
That's not what I said, asshole. But feel free to misquote me. And as usual,
you're lying your ass off when you claim that I've been flaming people
........"FOR NOTHING". You're in denial when it comes to the numerous smears of
Krueger, yourself and a few others. Nobody on RAO is flaming people "for
nothing" except Krueger and Ferstler. It's a matter of Google record that
Krueger has frequently attacked people personally simply because they disagreed
with his views. If you believe otherwise, than you're clearly delusional.
Also, Ferstler, frequently smears people both collectively by starting his
posts with salutations like "Hello, Idiots", or individually, again, just
because they don't agree with his biases.
And then there's you, of course, that has made self-serving statements in which
you claim you have the right to attack people that have attacked your few
friends like your role model, Krueger. IOW, you don't care if somebody has
attacked you or not, you're just looking for any excuse you can find to smear
your enemies.
>
>> The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to
>> say.
>
>So you finally come clean, eh?
>
Naaaaaaaaah. I'm just feeding your delusional system and taking advantage of
your stupidity.
> He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
>> impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
>> authorities to overlook this felony.
>
>There's no proof that the person posting as BJM is actually in Florida.
I don't know about that. I haven't made the acquaintance of BJM.
>There's no reason you couldn't actually be a psychologist.
>
Finally, a valid statement. Congratulations.
> He also hooked up a telephone
>> forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called
>> from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
>> wouldn't know.
>
>Probably the real one got one of those call blockers that require extra
>digits.
More delusions, on cue.
>He was probably getting tired of all the calls from people you'd ****ed off.
>
>
More evidence of paranoia, on cue.
>He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
>> th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an
>> impostor claim he went to these places.
>
>Fake CV's are a dime a dozen.
>
But school and hospital records that can be verified or not, dumbass. Neither
are records that are part of public information.
Would you also like a list of hospitals at which I've had medical staff
privileges, dumbo? Then you can accuse the hospitals listed of keeping phony
records when they confirm that what I'm saying is the truth.
> They said fine, that they would
>> play along with the charade if any morons from California or Detroit
>> called to check. And of course, I notified the licensing board in
>> Florida that I'd be posing as a Florida licensed psychologist on a
>> public place so that anybody who cared to could verify this data, and
>> then report me to the authorities for using a license that doesn't
>> belong to me.
>
>Knowing a valid license number is not rocket science.
It seems to have escaped your grasp, however. Posting on a public forum and
representing yourself as a psychologist if you are not qualified to do so is a
felony, dumbo. I guess you glossed over that piece of information above. And
if one psychologist were to pretend to be another psychologist, that would also
be fraud, genius. Feel free to file a complaint with the legal authorities and
let us all have more opportunities to laugh at you.
>
> Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
>> years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
>> forever.
>>
>
>At least until they finish looking into your online behavior.
>
Take your best shot, asshole. Your 7 yea history of lying about my online
behavior is worthless, given your total lack of credibility. I hope you never
have to take a polygraph test, because you'd end up having to pay for breaking
the machine.
>> And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional when
>> applied to your online behavior?
>
>When they come from a guy like you, abso-****ing-lutely.
>
Then you're a fool and in denial. Your behavior gives even laymen, let alone
mental health professionals, all the proof they need. But those that are
mentally ill like yourself, have a lot of difficulty recognizing their own
pathology. So your statement is totally predictable and actually provides more
evidence about your mental status.
> You just provided some very
>> convincing evidence that it fully applies.
>>
>And you've been providing evidence for 7 years that you are:
>A: A sock puppet
>B. A major league cry baby
>C. A demented prankster
Congratulations on being able to actually count to "C" in presenting a trioi of
delusional lies.
I was tempted to retaliate by forging what you said and substituting answers.
But since I have something, that you can only dream about and wish for,
self-control, I've decided not copy your latest exercise in fraud and
misrepresentation of what another person has said.
Let's just innstead just observe that McKelvy has provided evidence on RAO for
about 7 years of the following:
McKelvy is:
(1) A chronic pathological liar.
(2) A delusional moron who is without a doubt RAO's most stupid poster.
(3) An antisocial hatemonger dedicated to character assassination and
defamation of others on RAO.
(4) A chronic poster of statements that indicate a severe lack of contact with
reality.
>> Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid.
>
>Oh, I'm sure of it.
Severely delusional people like you are always convinced of their false beliefs
despite no evidence to support them. Thanks for confirming that you're
delusional and out of touch with reality.
>
>It's the rest of the
>> world (almost) that's wrong.
>>
>It's possible. The bottom line is, I'm skeptical, get over it.
>
>
>
it bothers you a lot more than it bothers me. LOL !!!
You're the one that initiated a bogus proposal designed to prove nothing other
than that you could lie again and violate any promise you might make. And
you're also the one that turned down a counterproposal that would prevent you
from doing that by providing evidence of yoour behavior and mine.
Your little attempt to verify your delusions just backfired. All you've got
left are a bunch of reality-challenged false beliefs.
Bruce J. Richman
Sander deWaal
January 16th 05, 03:38 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > said:
>The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to
>say. He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
>impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
>authorities to overlook this felony. He also hooked up a telephone
>forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called
>from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
>wouldn't know. He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
>th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an
>impostor claim he went to these places. They said fine, that they would
>play along with the charade if any morons from California or Detroit
>called to check. And of course, I notified the licensing board in
>Florida that I'd be posing as a Florida licensed psychologist on a
>public place so that anybody who cared to could verify this data, and
>then report me to the authorities for using a license that doesn't
>belong to me. Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
>years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
>forever.
Finally, the truth.
I have just one question, Bruce: WHY?
<evil grin>
--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "
Bruce J. Richman
January 16th 05, 06:01 PM
Sander deWaal wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" > said:
>
> >The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what
to
> >say. He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
> >impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
> >authorities to overlook this felony. He also hooked up a telephone
> >forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody
called
> >from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
> >wouldn't know. He also got in touch with the schools he attended
and
> >th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let
an
> >impostor claim he went to these places. They said fine, that they
would
> >play along with the charade if any morons from California or Detroit
> >called to check. And of course, I notified the licensing board in
> >Florida that I'd be posing as a Florida licensed psychologist on a
> >public place so that anybody who cared to could verify this data,
and
> >then report me to the authorities for using a license that doesn't
> >belong to me. Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
> >years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
> >forever.
>
> Finally, the truth.
>
> I have just one question, Bruce: WHY?
>
>
> <evil grin>
>
>
To provide more "information" for McKelvy's delusions.
<chuckle & wink>
> --
> Sander de Waal
> " SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "
Michael McKelvy
January 16th 05, 10:33 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>
>
>>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>
>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is
>>> a
>>>> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
>>> practice in
>>>> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
>>> Psychology
>>>> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin.
>>> You
>>>> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
>>>>
>>>> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's
>>> talk
>>>> about this guy on a NG.
>>>
>>> You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a damn
>>> thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year campaign of
>>> lies and libel.
>>
>>Keep calling it that. I'll keep telling the truth and call them opinions.
>
> I intend to, because it exposes your dishonesty. Your attempts to
> mislabel
> your false statements and lies as opinions are just more examples of your
> chronic lying.
>
>
>> "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
>>> paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
>>
>>That was your school U Moron?
>>
>
> I wouldn't expect a documeneted imbecile like yourself to know this, but
> the
> University of Texas at Austin has long bveen ranked among the top 10 or 20
> graduate training programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States,
> you
> fool.
> I went there on a National Institutes of Mental Health Fellowship - hardly
> something handed out to people that are developmentally disabled like
> yourself.
>
> I also did a postdoctoral in Behavior Therapy in Temple University Medical
> School in Philadelphia. And I interned at Massachusetts General Hospital
> in
> Boston. Ever heard of those places, moron?
>
I"m sure the real Dr. Richman did, what's that got to do with you?
>
>>> You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy.
>>
>>I'd have to along with some of your classic posts to show him how sane and
>>professional you have become in your old age.
>
> If you do that, Dr. Lulow will no doubt be astute enough to have your
> involuntarily committed under California law for exhibiting that you're
> either
> dangerous to yourself or others, or unable to care for yourself because of
> a
> mental illness
Showing him your words would make him want to commit me, riiigghht.
(that's how the cdmmittment papers read in most states, but you
> probably already know that from prior experiences with the mental hospital
> system).
More projection? I must be getting to you again, the spelling's getting
wierd again. How many people do you knowthat have been "cdmmittmented."
IOW, he's know you're crazy
I'm sure "he's know you're crazy." They all do.
and have you committed against your will.
> After your release, you can rant and rave some more about how Drs.
> Richman,
> Lulow and a couple of probably dead psychologists from the University of
> Texas
> all conspired to fool him about my identity.
>
You have a very rich fantasy life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a
>>> false
>>>> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really think
>>> anybody
>>>> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's
>>> AGAINST
>>>> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE
>>> NOT.
>>>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
>>> anxious
>>>> > to be arrested.
>>>> >
>>>> Let's see if I have this correct.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
>>>
>>> Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool of
>>> yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
>>>
>>>> You deny it.
>>>
>
> <At this point, McKelvy copied his role model, Krueger's, nasty habit of
> deleting information that exposed his dishonesty:P
>
It would be so hard for somebody to go back a couple of posts to see what I
actually wrote, wouldn't it?
> Here's what McKelvy deleted, in context.
>
> Mckelvy said "You deny it".
>
> Richman said "Because you're full of ****".
>
> The above is just another example of McKelvy's attempts to misrepresent
> what
> other people actually say and do.
And a fine example by you of the same thing.
Of course, he can always call his deliberate
> editing an "opinion".
>
> LOL!!!
>
Just don't call it late for dinner.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a
>>> sockpuppet.
>>>> I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in
>>> on the
>>>> game.
>>>
>>> Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia.
>>
>>Is that your word for healthy skepticism?
>
> No, it's my term for a ridiculous statement in reference to a psychologist
> that
> I have neither seen nor communicated with in over 30 years and 2 other
> psychologists (whose roles only real clinical psychology graduate students
> in
> that program would know, dumbass) that may or may not be alive. It's my
> term
> for a conspiracy theory based on a set of false beliefs - AKA delusions.
Like the delusion you have that you're a doctor?
Very
> similar to Krueger's conspiracy theories about cliques run by Middius or
> John
> Atkinson.
>
>> That's right,
>>> Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving a
>>> psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years and a
>>> couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be alive.
If he hasn't seen Dr. Richman in that long, I'd better just cull one or two
of your best posts, so I don't shock him too badly.
But
>>> you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
>>> involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil, the
>>> telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous other
>>> conspirators.
>>>
>>Childs play compared to some of the really wierd stuff that's happened
>>here
>>over the last decade. Hell, last night some guy who's been flaming people
>>for
>>nothing, for 7 ****ing years, claimed he'd done no wrong, Oh wait, that
>>was
>>you.
>>
>
> That's not what I said, asshole. But feel free to misquote me.
I'll refresh your pathetic memory.
I said:
" I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?"
And Bruce replied:
"There's none for me to accept."
And as usual,
> you're lying your ass off when you claim that I've been flaming people
> ......."FOR NOTHING".
Just keep telling yourslef that. The evidence of your crybaby attitude is
there for all to see.
You're in denial when it comes to the numerous smears of
> Krueger, yourself and a few others.
We all know who's in denial, Bruce.
Nobody on RAO is flaming people "for
> nothing" except Krueger and Ferstler.
I knew you'd get to an outright lie eventually, thanks for not
dissappointing.
It's a matter of Google record that
> Krueger has frequently attacked people personally simply because they
> disagreed
> with his views.
Show me.
If you believe otherwise, than you're clearly delusional.
OOPS, more of that professional lingo, naughty, naughty.
> Also, Ferstler, frequently smears people both collectively by starting his
> posts with salutations like "Hello, Idiots", or individually, again, just
> because they don't agree with his biases.
Justlike what happpens he doesn't agree with theirs, nobody is guilt free,
especially you.
> And then there's you, of course, that has made self-serving statements in
> which
> you claim you have the right to attack people that have attacked your few
> friends like your role model, Krueger.
There's another thing you won't be able tofind a quote for, since I never
said it.
IOW, you don't care if somebody has
> attacked you or not, you're just looking for any excuse you can find to
> smear
> your enemies.
>
Hmmmmmm, who else do we know like that? Some ****head who made a personl
attack during the Julian Hirsch thread. Oh yeah, YOU.
>
>>
>>> The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to
>>> say.
>>
>>So you finally come clean, eh?
>>
>
> Naaaaaaaaah. I'm just feeding your delusional system and taking advantage
> of
> your stupidity.
>
>
>
>> He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
>>> impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
>>> authorities to overlook this felony.
>>
>>There's no proof that the person posting as BJM is actually in Florida.
>
> I don't know about that. I haven't made the acquaintance of BJM.
>
OOPS, my turn, that should have been BLR, I guess I just think of you as a
BM.
>
>>There's no reason you couldn't actually be a psychologist.
>>
>
> Finally, a valid statement. Congratulations.
>
>
>> He also hooked up a telephone
>>> forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called
>>> from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
>>> wouldn't know.
>>
>>Probably the real one got one of those call blockers that require extra
>>digits.
>
> More delusions, on cue.
>
A possibility, not a delusion, I'm not saying that is in fact the case, only
that it could be. Nice try though.
>
>>He was probably getting tired of all the calls from people you'd ****ed
>>off.
>>
>>
>
> More evidence of paranoia, on cue.
>
See above.
>
>>He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
>>> th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an
>>> impostor claim he went to these places.
>>
>>Fake CV's are a dime a dozen.
>>
>
> But school and hospital records that can be verified or not, dumbass.
No reason why you couldn't know the real Dr. Richman.
Neither
> are records that are part of public information.
> Would you also like a list of hospitals at which I've had medical staff
> privileges, dumbo?
And read more of your lies and distortions? No thanks.
>
>
>
>>
> It seems to have escaped your grasp, however. Posting on a public forum
> and
> representing yourself as a psychologist if you are not qualified to do so
> is a
> felony, dumbo.
Already addressed that issue Goofy.
I guess you glossed over that piece of information above. And
> if one psychologist were to pretend to be another psychologist, that would
> also
> be fraud, genius. Feel free to file a complaint with the legal
> authorities and
> let us all have more opportunities to laugh at you.
>
>
>>
>> Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
>>> years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
>>> forever.
>>>
>>
>>At least until they finish looking into your online behavior.
>>
>
> Take your best shot, asshole. Your 7 yea history of lying about my online
> behavior is worthless, given your total lack of credibility. I hope you
> never
> have to take a polygraph test, because you'd end up having to pay for
> breaking
> the machine.
>
Likewise, I'm sure. Of course if you actually believe your own bull****,
you could probably pass.
>
>>> And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional when
>>> applied to your online behavior?
>>
>>When they come from a guy like you, abso-****ing-lutely.
>>
>
> Then you're a fool and in denial. Your behavior gives even laymen, let
> alone
> mental health professionals, all the proof they need. But those that are
> mentally ill like yourself, have a lot of difficulty recognizing their own
> pathology.
If irony killed.
So your statement is totally predictable and actually provides more
> evidence about your mental status.
>
>
>> You just provided some very
>>> convincing evidence that it fully applies.
>>>
>>And you've been providing evidence for 7 years that you are:
>>A: A sock puppet
>>B. A major league cry baby
>>C. A demented prankster
>
> Congratulations on being able to actually count to "C" in presenting a
> trioi of
> delusional lies.
>
> I was tempted to retaliate by forging what you said and substituting
> answers.
> But since I have something, that you can only dream about and wish for,
> self-control, I've decided not copy your latest exercise in fraud and
> misrepresentation of what another person has said.
Sure you do, that's why you go off on tangents when somebody simply wonders
why you include PhD. in your sig line.
>
> Let's just innstead just observe that McKelvy has provided evidence on RAO
> for
> about 7 years of the following:
>
> McKelvy is:
>
> (1) A chronic pathological liar.
> OSAF
> (2) A delusional moron who is without a doubt RAO's most stupid poster.
> OSAF
> (3) An antisocial hatemonger dedicated to character assassination and
> defamation of others on RAO.
> OSAF
> (4) A chronic poster of statements that indicate a severe lack of contact
> with
> reality.
Or not.
>
>>> Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid.
>>
>>Oh, I'm sure of it.
>
> Severely delusional people like you are always convinced of their false
> beliefs
> despite no evidence to support them. Thanks for confirming that you're
> delusional and out of touch with reality.
>
Delusional, yep. That pretty well sums it up.
>>
>>It's the rest of the
>>> world (almost) that's wrong.
>>>
>>It's possible. The bottom line is, I'm skeptical, get over it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> it bothers you a lot more than it bothers me. LOL !!!
>
> You're the one that initiated a bogus proposal designed to prove nothing
> other
> than that you could lie again and violate any promise you might make.
There was nothing bogus about it, of course we'll never know for sure since
you ran screaming away from it.
And
> you're also the one that turned down a counterproposal that would prevent
> you
> from doing that by providing evidence of yoour behavior and mine.
>
I saw no reason and had no wish to actually talk to you.
Bruce J. Richman
January 17th 05, 02:05 AM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is
>>>> a
>>>>> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
>>>> practice in
>>>>> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
>>>> Psychology
>>>>> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin.
>>>> You
>>>>> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's
>>>> talk
>>>>> about this guy on a NG.
>>>>
>>>> You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a damn
>>>> thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year campaign of
>>>> lies and libel.
>>>
>>>Keep calling it that. I'll keep telling the truth and call them opinions.
>>
>> I intend to, because it exposes your dishonesty. Your attempts to
>> mislabel
>> your false statements and lies as opinions are just more examples of your
>> chronic lying.
>>
>>
>>> "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
>>>> paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
>>>
>>>That was your school U Moron?
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't expect a documeneted imbecile like yourself to know this, but
>> the
>> University of Texas at Austin has long bveen ranked among the top 10 or 20
>> graduate training programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States,
>> you
>> fool.
>> I went there on a National Institutes of Mental Health Fellowship - hardly
>> something handed out to people that are developmentally disabled like
>> yourself.
>>
>> I also did a postdoctoral in Behavior Therapy in Temple University Medical
>> School in Philadelphia. And I interned at Massachusetts General Hospital
>> in
>> Boston. Ever heard of those places, moron?
>>
>I"m sure the real Dr. Richman did, what's that got to do with you?
What does reality-testing and telling the truth have to do with you? Nothing,
of course. More lies are all you can babble.
>>
>>>> You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy.
>>>
>>>I'd have to along with some of your classic posts to show him how sane and
>>>professional you have become in your old age.
>>
>> If you do that, Dr. Lulow will no doubt be astute enough to have your
>> involuntarily committed under California law for exhibiting that you're
>> either
>> dangerous to yourself or others, or unable to care for yourself because of
>> a
>> mental illness
>
>Showing him your words would make him want to commit me, riiigghht.
>
>(that's how the cdmmittment papers read in most states, but you
>> probably already know that from prior experiences with the mental hospital
>> system).
>
>More projection? I must be getting to you again, the spelling's getting
>wierd again. How many people do you knowthat have been "cdmmittmented."
>
> IOW, he's know you're crazy
>
>I'm sure "he's know you're crazy." They all do.
>
Who is they, crazy man? The voices in your head? Is that who directs your
delusional rants and lies?
>and have you committed against your will.
>> After your release, you can rant and rave some more about how Drs.
>> Richman,
>> Lulow and a couple of probably dead psychologists from the University of
>> Texas
>> all conspired to fool him about my identity.
>>
>You have a very rich fantasy life.
Only the above conspiracy theories are products of your paranoid and quite
delusionoal set of false beliefrs
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a
>>>> false
>>>>> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really think
>>>> anybody
>>>>> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's
>>>> AGAINST
>>>>> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE
>>>> NOT.
>>>>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
>>>> anxious
>>>>> > to be arrested.
>>>>> >
>>>>> Let's see if I have this correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
>>>>
>>>> Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool of
>>>> yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
>>>>
>>>>> You deny it.
>>>>
>>
>> <At this point, McKelvy copied his role model, Krueger's, nasty habit of
>> deleting information that exposed his dishonesty:P
>>
>It would be so hard for somebody to go back a couple of posts to see what I
>actually wrote, wouldn't it?
>
Why would any rational person want to reread your trash? Besides, your
attempts to cover up the truth are consistent with your typical posting style.
>> Here's what McKelvy deleted, in context.
>>
>> Mckelvy said "You deny it".
>>
>> Richman said "Because you're full of ****".
>>
>> The above is just another example of McKelvy's attempts to misrepresent
>> what
>> other people actually say and do.
>
>And a fine example by you of the same thing.
>
> Of course, he can always call his deliberate
>> editing an "opinion".
>>
>> LOL!!!
>>
>Just don't call it late for dinner.
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a
>>>> sockpuppet.
>>>>> I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in
>>>> on the
>>>>> game.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia.
>>>
>>>Is that your word for healthy skepticism?
>>
>> No, it's my term for a ridiculous statement in reference to a psychologist
>> that
>> I have neither seen nor communicated with in over 30 years and 2 other
>> psychologists (whose roles only real clinical psychology graduate students
>> in
>> that program would know, dumbass) that may or may not be alive. It's my
>> term
>> for a conspiracy theory based on a set of false beliefs - AKA delusions.
>
>Like the delusion you have that you're a doctor?
>
Care to put some money on that, you lying bag of ****? Are you ready to
publish your false claims in an American printed publication? Why don't you
admit, you worthless liar and libeler, that your proposal was about as phony as
we know you to be? You just wanted to see if you could scam the RAO readers.
Admit, asshole, that you've ducked my prroposal because you can't cheat on it,
and it would provide the evidence you've tried to avoid for 7 years.
>Very
>> similar to Krueger's conspiracy theories about cliques run by Middius or
>> John
>> Atkinson.
>>
>>> That's right,
>>>> Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving a
>>>> psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years and a
>>>> couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be alive.
>
>If he hasn't seen Dr. Richman in that long, I'd better just cull one or two
>of your best posts, so I don't shock him too badly.
Take your best shot, asshole. After spending a few minutes with you, he'll
know you're a paranoid, delusional piece of **** in need of involuntary
treatment (since you're too stupid to have any self-awareness or believe what
many have already told you).
>
> But
>>>> you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
>>>> involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil, the
>>>> telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous other
>>>> conspirators.
>>>>
>>>Childs play compared to some of the really wierd stuff that's happened
>>>here
>>>over the last decade. Hell, last night some guy who's been flaming people
>>>for
>>>nothing, for 7 ****ing years, claimed he'd done no wrong, Oh wait, that
>>>was
>>>you.
>>>
>>
>> That's not what I said, asshole. But feel free to misquote me.
>I'll refresh your pathetic memory.
>I said:
>
>" I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?"
>
>And Bruce replied:
>
>"There's none for me to accept."
>
>
>
> And as usual,
>> you're lying your ass off when you claim that I've been flaming people
>> ......."FOR NOTHING".
>Just keep telling yourslef that. The evidence of your crybaby attitude is
>there for all to see.
>
>
Bull****. Almost every time you open your lying mouth, you give people a very
valid reason to flame you. That would also be true of Krueger and Lionel, a
couple of equally obnoxious and dedicated flamers who more often than not can
be found insulting one person or another on RAO.
>You're in denial when it comes to the numerous smears of
>> Krueger, yourself and a few others.
>
>We all know who's in denial, Bruce.
>
We sure do, Mike.
> Nobody on RAO is flaming people "for
>> nothing" except Krueger and Ferstler.
>
>I knew you'd get to an outright lie eventually, thanks for not
>dissappointing.
>
> It's a matter of Google record that
>> Krueger has frequently attacked people personally simply because they
>> disagreed
>> with his views.
>
>Show me.
Deny it and prove once again that you're a liar. Anybody with even the
smallest iota of dishonesty - which excludes you - can simply put in key words
like vinyl, tubes, or the names of the numerous people listed in the thread
entitled "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience" and read what Krueger has had
to say to them.
>
> If you believe otherwise, than you're clearly delusional.
>
>OOPS, more of that professional lingo, naughty, naughty.
>
More accurate description of a lying piece of garbage named McKelvy who has a 7
year history of making false statements based on a set of false beliefs not
supported by factual evidence. IOW, evidence of delusions.
>
>> Also, Ferstler, frequently smears people both collectively by starting his
>> posts with salutations like "Hello, Idiots", or individually, again, just
>> because they don't agree with his biases.
>
>Justlike what happpens he doesn't agree with theirs, nobody is guilt free,
>especially you.
You juust contradicted yourself and provided more evidence that you can't even
keep your lies in this oost straight.
You claim that people flame people for nothing. Then you claim that nobody is
"guilt free" So which is it, hypocritre?
Or is it that you believe that people who "flame people for nothing" are guilt
free.
>
>> And then there's you, of course, that has made self-serving statements in
>> which
>> you claim you have the right to attack people that have attacked your few
>> friends like your role model, Krueger.
>
>There's another thing you won't be able tofind a quote for, since I never
>said it.
You've recently claimed that you attack me because I attack Arny. Several
[people have noticed it and commented on it. You're full of **** again if you
deny saying words to that effect. Chronic flamers like you just love to smear
anybody that retaliates against one of your very few fellow flamers.
>
> IOW, you don't care if somebody has
>> attacked you or not, you're just looking for any excuse you can find to
>> smear
>> your enemies.
>>
>Hmmmmmm, who else do we know like that? Some ****head who made a personl
>attack during the Julian Hirsch thread. Oh yeah, YOU.
>
We all know a wrothless piece of **** named McKelvy that launched a smear
campaign in the same thread even though hisu name was never mentioned. We
alkso can provide evidence and have in the past, that this is typical behavior
for McKelvy.
>
>>>
>>>> The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to
>>>> say.
>>>
>>>So you finally come clean, eh?
>>>
>>
>> Naaaaaaaaah. I'm just feeding your delusional system and taking advantage
>> of
>> your stupidity.
>>
>>
>>
>>> He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
>>>> impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
>>>> authorities to overlook this felony.
>>>
>>>There's no proof that the person posting as BJM is actually in Florida.
>>
>> I don't know about that. I haven't made the acquaintance of BJM.
>>
>OOPS, my turn, that should have been BLR, I guess I just think of you as a
>BM.
>
Since most of us realize that hour head has been inserted in your rectum ever
since you began polluting RAOI, we also know that you are terminallly
constipated when it comes to rational thoughts, and constantly overflowing with
verbal diarrhea.
>
>>>There's no reason you couldn't actually be a psychologist.
>>>
>>
>> Finally, a valid statement. Congratulations.
>>
>>
>>> He also hooked up a telephone
>>>> forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called
>>>> from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
>>>> wouldn't know.
>>>
>>>Probably the real one got one of those call blockers that require extra
>>>digits.
>>
>> More delusions, on cue.
>>
>A possibility, not a delusion, I'm not saying that is in fact the case, only
>that it could be. Nice try though.
>>
>>>He was probably getting tired of all the calls from people you'd ****ed
>>>off.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> More evidence of paranoia, on cue.
>>
>See above.
>>
>>>He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
>>>> th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an
>>>> impostor claim he went to these places.
>>>
>>>Fake CV's are a dime a dozen.
>>>
>>
>> But school and hospital records that can be verified or not, dumbass.
>
>No reason why you couldn't know the real Dr. Richman.
I know him a lot better than you'll ever realize, since you're quite delusional
and in denial re. the facts.
>
>Neither
>> are records that are part of public information.
>> Would you also like a list of hospitals at which I've had medical staff
>> privileges, dumbo?
>
>And read more of your lies and distortions? No thanks.
Tell that to the hospitals. Several of them have psychiatric floors and will
be interested to hear from somebody like you that clearly qualifies for
admission.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>> It seems to have escaped your grasp, however. Posting on a public forum
>> and
>> representing yourself as a psychologist if you are not qualified to do so
>> is a
>> felony, dumbo.
>
>Already addressed that issue Goofy.
>
>
That's a lie, Pinocchio.
> I guess you glossed over that piece of information above. And
>> if one psychologist were to pretend to be another psychologist, that would
>> also
>> be fraud, genius. Feel free to file a complaint with the legal
>> authorities and
>> let us all have more opportunities to laugh at you.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
>>>> years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
>>>> forever.
>>>>
>>>
>>>At least until they finish looking into your online behavior.
>>>
>>
>> Take your best shot, asshole. Your 7 yea history of lying about my online
>> behavior is worthless, given your total lack of credibility. I hope you
>> never
>> have to take a polygraph test, because you'd end up having to pay for
>> breaking
>> the machine.
>>
>
>Likewise, I'm sure. Of course if you actually believe your own bull****,
>you could probably pass.
>>
>>>> And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional when
>>>> applied to your online behavior?
>>>
>>>When they come from a guy like you, abso-****ing-lutely.
>>>
>>
>> Then you're a fool and in denial. Your behavior gives even laymen, let
>> alone
>> mental health professionals, all the proof they need. But those that are
>> mentally ill like yourself, have a lot of difficulty recognizing their own
>> pathology.
>
>If irony killed.
>
You'd be dead.
> So your statement is totally predictable and actually provides more
>> evidence about your mental status.
>>
>>
>>> You just provided some very
>>>> convincing evidence that it fully applies.
>>>>
>>>And you've been providing evidence for 7 years that you are:
>>>A: A sock puppet
>>>B. A major league cry baby
>>>C. A demented prankster
>>
>> Congratulations on being able to actually count to "C" in presenting a
>> trioi of
>> delusional lies.
>>
>> I was tempted to retaliate by forging what you said and substituting
>> answers.
>> But since I have something, that you can only dream about and wish for,
>> self-control, I've decided not copy your latest exercise in fraud and
>> misrepresentation of what another person has said.
>
>Sure you do, that's why you go off on tangents when somebody simply wonders
>why you include PhD. in your sig line.
>
>>
>> Let's just innstead just observe that McKelvy has provided evidence on RAO
>> for
>> about 7 years of the following:
>>
>> McKelvy is:
>>
>> (1) A chronic pathological liar.
>>
>> (2) A delusional moron who is without a doubt RAO's most stupid poster.
>>
>> (3) An antisocial hatemonger dedicated to character assassination and
>> defamation of others.
>> (4) A chronic poster of statements that indicate a severe lack of contact
>> with
>> reality.
>Or not.
>>>> Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid.
>>>
>>>Oh, I'm sure of it.
>>
>> Severely delusional people like you are always convinced of their false
>> beliefs
>> despite no evidence to support them. Thanks for confirming that you're
>> delusional and out of touch with reality.
>>
>Delusional, yep. That pretty well sums it up.
McKelvy's agreement and smalll evidence of initial self-awareness noted.
>>>
>>>It's the rest of the
>>>> world (almost) that's wrong.
>>>>
>>>It's possible. The bottom line is, I'm skeptical, get over it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> it bothers you a lot more than it bothers me. LOL !!!
>>
>> You're the one that initiated a bogus proposal designed to prove nothing
>> other
>> than that you could lie again and violate any promise you might make.
>
>There was nothing bogus about it, of course we'll never know for sure since
>you ran screaming away from it.
You saw and heard that? Be sure and tell that to Dr Lulow if you meet him.
The only running and screaming about yoru proposal is contained in your visual
and auditory hallucinations which you have somehow connecteed to printed words
in an RAO post. Man, you really are waaaaaay over the edge!
As more rational and nondelusional readers know, you made a phony proposal
(which nobody asked for btw) based on some bizarre telephone scheme in which
you hoped that somebody would see through your scam. Obviously, your proposal
was easy to cheat on with you lying after the fact about either your calling or
my responding. We both know this, and many on RAO realized it immediately.
OTOH, contrary to what you've hallucinated about, there was no runnnhing or
screaming. Instead, I made a counterproposal which would prevent yo from
cheating, so naturally, you turned it down. My proposal would have provided a
taped record of both your call and my response. Obviously, a compulsive liar
and libeler like yourself wouldn't dare do something where your lies after
the fact could be easily demonstrateed.
> And
>> you're also the one that turned down a counterproposal that would prevent
>> you
>> from doing that by providing evidence of yoour behavior and mine.
>>
>I saw no reason and had no wish to actually talk to you.
>
>
As my proposal made perfectly clear, you would not have been talking to me
directly. Everybody but you knows that. Everybody but you, in all likelihood,
knows also that you have no reason to tell the truth, and that's why you turned
down a proposal that would have provied the evidence you think doesn't exist.
It also would have provided *more* evidence of your lying if you tried to cheat
after making the call.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Bruce J. Richman
Michael McKelvy
January 17th 05, 02:49 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>
>>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is
>>>>> a
>>>>>> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
>>>>> practice in
>>>>>> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
>>>>> Psychology
>>>>>> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin.
>>>>> You
>>>>>> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's
>>>>> talk
>>>>>> about this guy on a NG.
>>>>>
>>>>> You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a damn
>>>>> thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year campaign
>>>>> of
>>>>> lies and libel.
>>>>
>>>>Keep calling it that. I'll keep telling the truth and call them
>>>>opinions.
>>>
>>> I intend to, because it exposes your dishonesty. Your attempts to
>>> mislabel
>>> your false statements and lies as opinions are just more examples of
>>> your
>>> chronic lying.
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
>>>>> paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
>>>>
>>>>That was your school U Moron?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect a documeneted imbecile like yourself to know this, but
>>> the
>>> University of Texas at Austin has long bveen ranked among the top 10 or
>>> 20
>>> graduate training programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States,
>>> you
>>> fool.
>>> I went there on a National Institutes of Mental Health Fellowship -
>>> hardly
>>> something handed out to people that are developmentally disabled like
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> I also did a postdoctoral in Behavior Therapy in Temple University
>>> Medical
>>> School in Philadelphia. And I interned at Massachusetts General
>>> Hospital
>>> in
>>> Boston. Ever heard of those places, moron?
>>>
>>I"m sure the real Dr. Richman did, what's that got to do with you?
>
> What does reality-testing and telling the truth have to do with you?
> Nothing,
> of course. More lies are all you can babble.
>
>>>
>>>>> You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy.
>>>>
>>>>I'd have to along with some of your classic posts to show him how sane
>>>>and
>>>>professional you have become in your old age.
>>>
>>> If you do that, Dr. Lulow will no doubt be astute enough to have your
>>> involuntarily committed under California law for exhibiting that you're
>>> either
>>> dangerous to yourself or others, or unable to care for yourself because
>>> of
>>> a
>>> mental illness
>>
>>Showing him your words would make him want to commit me, riiigghht.
>>
>>(that's how the cdmmittment papers read in most states, but you
>>> probably already know that from prior experiences with the mental
>>> hospital
>>> system).
>>
>>More projection? I must be getting to you again, the spelling's getting
>>wierd again. How many people do you knowthat have been "cdmmittmented."
>>
>> IOW, he's know you're crazy
>>
>>I'm sure "he's know you're crazy." They all do.
>>
>
> Who is they, crazy man?
Everybody who reads what you right.
>>and have you committed against your will.
>>> After your release, you can rant and rave some more about how Drs.
>>> Richman,
>>> Lulow and a couple of probably dead psychologists from the University of
>>> Texas
>>> all conspired to fool him about my identity.
>>>
>>You have a very rich fantasy life.
>
> Only the above conspiracy theories are products of your paranoid and quite
> delusionoal set of false beliefrs
>
Unless they're not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a
>>>>> false
>>>>>> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really think
>>>>> anybody
>>>>>> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's
>>>>> AGAINST
>>>>>> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE
>>>>> NOT.
>>>>>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or
>>>>> anxious
>>>>>> > to be arrested.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Let's see if I have this correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool of
>>>>> yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You deny it.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> <At this point, McKelvy copied his role model, Krueger's, nasty habit of
>>> deleting information that exposed his dishonesty:P
>>>
>>It would be so hard for somebody to go back a couple of posts to see what
>>I
>>actually wrote, wouldn't it?
>>
> Why would any rational person want to reread your trash?
To get the whole truth and not your selective editing. To see who is
telling the truth, which doesn't favor you.
Besides, your
> attempts to cover up the truth are consistent with your typical posting
> style.
>
>
>
>>>>> Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia.
>>>>
>>>>Is that your word for healthy skepticism?
>>>
>>> No, it's my term for a ridiculous statement in reference to a
>>> psychologist
>>> that
>>> I have neither seen nor communicated with in over 30 years and 2 other
>>> psychologists (whose roles only real clinical psychology graduate
>>> students
>>> in
>>> that program would know, dumbass) that may or may not be alive. It's my
>>> term
>>> for a conspiracy theory based on a set of false beliefs - AKA delusions.
Richman world, truths are lies. Accuate descriptions are delusions.
>>
>>Like the delusion you have that you're a doctor?
>>
>
> Care to put some money on that, you lying bag of ****?
Not really, I already acknowledged you might be a shrink.
Are you ready to
> publish your false claims in an American printed publication?
This is an American publication. The stuff you're reading, it's print.
Why don't you
> admit, you worthless liar and libeler, that your proposal was about as
> phony as
> we know you to be?
Because that would be a lie.
You just wanted to see if you could scam the RAO readers.
>
I just want to know the truth about RAO's king of the whackos.
> Admit, asshole, that you've ducked my prroposal because you can't cheat on
> it,
> and it would provide the evidence you've tried to avoid for 7 years.
I couldn't have cheated on mine.
>
>
>>>
>>>> That's right,
>>>>> Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving a
>>>>> psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years and a
>>>>> couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be alive.
>>
>>If he hasn't seen Dr. Richman in that long, I'd better just cull one or
>>two
>>of your best posts, so I don't shock him too badly.
>
> Take your best shot, asshole. After spending a few minutes with you,
> he'll
> know you're a paranoid, delusional piece of **** in need of involuntary
> treatment (since you're too stupid to have any self-awareness or believe
> what
> many have already told you).
>
More projection?
>>
>> But
>>>>> you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
>>>>> involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil, the
>>>>> telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous other
>>>>> conspirators.
>>>>>
>>>>Childs play compared to some of the really wierd stuff that's happened
>>>>here
>>>>over the last decade. Hell, last night some guy who's been flaming
>>>>people
>>>>for
>>>>nothing, for 7 ****ing years, claimed he'd done no wrong, Oh wait, that
>>>>was
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's not what I said, asshole. But feel free to misquote me.
>>I'll refresh your pathetic memory.
>>I said:
>>
>>" I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?"
>>
>>And Bruce replied:
>>
>>"There's none for me to accept."
>>
>>
>>
>> And as usual,
>>> you're lying your ass off when you claim that I've been flaming people
>>> ......."FOR NOTHING".
For some very petty stuff that NORMAL people would have simply shrugged off.
Just keep telling yourslef that. The evidence of your crybaby attitude is
there for all to see.
>>
>>
>
> Bull****. Almost every time you open your lying mouth, you give people a
> very
> valid reason to flame you.
But the others at least get the facts right, you just make it up as you go
along.
That would also be true of Krueger and Lionel, a
> couple of equally obnoxious and dedicated flamers who more often than not
> can
> be found insulting one person or another on RAO.
And you like to fan the flames, hippocrite.
>
>
>
>>You're in denial when it comes to the numerous smears of
>>> Krueger, yourself and a few others.
>>
>>We all know who's in denial, Bruce.
>>
>
> We sure do, Mike.
>
>
>> Nobody on RAO is flaming people "for
>>> nothing" except Krueger and Ferstler.
>>
>>I knew you'd get to an outright lie eventually, thanks for not
>>dissappointing.
>>
>> It's a matter of Google record that
>>> Krueger has frequently attacked people personally simply because they
>>> disagreed
>>> with his views.
>>
>>Show me.
>
> Deny it and prove once again that you're a liar.
Inability to show valid evidence noted.
Anybody with even the
> smallest iota of dishonesty -
I'm pretty sure I have the smallest iota of "dishonesty." Freudian slip?
which excludes you - can simply put in key words
> like vinyl, tubes, or the names of the numerous people listed in the
> thread
> entitled "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience" and read what Krueger has
> had
> to say to them.
>
And find the same 12 idiots who are always involved in the flame fest.
>>
>> If you believe otherwise, than you're clearly delusional.
>>
>>OOPS, more of that professional lingo, naughty, naughty.
>>
>
> More accurate description of a lying piece of garbage named McKelvy who
> has a 7
> year history of making false statements based on a set of false beliefs
> not
> supported by factual evidence. IOW, evidence of delusions.
>
Actually it's more a fitting description of somebody who feels so put upon
that he has to flame somebody in the Julian Hirsch RIP thread.
>>
>>> Also, Ferstler, frequently smears people both collectively by starting
>>> his
>>> posts with salutations like "Hello, Idiots", or individually, again,
>>> just
>>> because they don't agree with his biases.
>>
>>Just like what happpens when he doesn't agree with theirs, nobody is guilt
>>free,
>>especially you.
>
> You juust contradicted yourself and provided more evidence that you can't
> even
> keep your lies in this oost straight.
> You claim that people flame people for nothing.
I said you do, so do some others, some of the time. You do it all of the
time. There are plenty of threads on record where you have not been
mentioned and you feel compelled to insert a flame, just like the Julian
Hirsch thread. It's what you do.
>
>>
>>> And then there's you, of course, that has made self-serving statements
>>> in
>>> which
>>> you claim you have the right to attack people that have attacked your
>>> few
>>> friends like your role model, Krueger.
>>
>>There's another thing you won't be able to find a quote for, since I never
>>said it.
>
> You've recently claimed that you attack me because I attack Arny.
Sometimes.
Several
> [people have noticed it and commented on it.
But of course you won't bother to post the full, in context quote.
You're full of **** again if you
> deny saying words to that effect.
Get the quote.
Chronic flamers like you just love to smear
> anybody that retaliates against one of your very few fellow flamers.
Another lie.
>
>
>>
>> IOW, you don't care if somebody has
>>> attacked you or not, you're just looking for any excuse you can find to
>>> smear
>>> your enemies.
>>>
You have us confused Bruce, that's your M.O..
>>Hmmmmmm, who else do we know like that? Some ****head who made a personl
>>attack during the Julian Hirsch thread. Oh yeah, YOU.
>>
>
> We all know a wrothless piece of **** named McKelvy that launched a smear
> campaign in the same thread even though his name was never mentioned.
Because of your stupid, ****ing, completely unprovoked, completely
inappropriate flame in that thread.
We
> alkso can provide evidence and have in the past, that this is typical
> behavior
> for McKelvy.
>
And of yours as has been done, but you just deny it and say you're the
victim.
>>>>
>>>>> The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to
>>>>> say.
>>>>
>>>>So you finally come clean, eh?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Naaaaaaaaah. I'm just feeding your delusional system and taking
>>> advantage
>>> of
>>> your stupidity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
>>>>> impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
>>>>> authorities to overlook this felony.
>>>>
>>>>There's no proof that the person posting as BJM is actually in Florida.
>>>
>>> I don't know about that. I haven't made the acquaintance of BJM.
>>>
>>OOPS, my turn, that should have been BLR, I guess I just think of you as a
>>BM.
>>
>
> Since most of us realize that hour head has been inserted in your rectum
> ever
> since you began polluting RAOI,
RAOI? Gotta take the pills on time Doc.
we also know that you are terminallly
> constipated when it comes to rational thoughts, and constantly overflowing
> with
> verbal diarrhea.
>
Thus spaks thelongest wind **** on RAO. LOL
>
>>
>>>>There's no reason you couldn't actually be a psychologist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, a valid statement. Congratulations.
>>>
>>>
>>>> He also hooked up a telephone
>>>>> forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called
>>>>> from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me
>>>>> wouldn't know.
>>>>
>>>>Probably the real one got one of those call blockers that require extra
>>>>digits.
>>>
>>> More delusions, on cue.
>>>
>>A possibility, not a delusion, I'm not saying that is in fact the case,
>>only
>>that it could be. Nice try though.
>>>
>>>>He was probably getting tired of all the calls from people you'd ****ed
>>>>off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> More evidence of paranoia, on cue.
>>>
>>See above.
>>>
>>>>He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
>>>>> th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an
>>>>> impostor claim he went to these places.
>>>>
>>>>Fake CV's are a dime a dozen.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But school and hospital records that can be verified or not, dumbass.
>>
>>No reason why you couldn't know the real Dr. Richman.
>
> I know him a lot better than you'll ever realize, since you're quite
> delusional
> and in denial re. the facts.
>
Or not.
>>
>>Neither
>>> are records that are part of public information.
>>> Would you also like a list of hospitals at which I've had medical staff
>>> privileges, dumbo?
>>
>>And read more of your lies and distortions? No thanks.
>
> Tell that to the hospitals. Several of them have psychiatric floors and
> will
> be interested to hear from somebody like you that clearly qualifies for
> admission.
>
Which hospitals were you confined in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>> It seems to have escaped your grasp, however. Posting on a public forum
>>> and
>>> representing yourself as a psychologist if you are not qualified to do
>>> so
>>> is a
>>> felony, dumbo.
>>
>>Already addressed that issue Goofy.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>> I guess you glossed over that piece of information above. And
>>> if one psychologist were to pretend to be another psychologist, that
>>> would
>>> also
>>> be fraud, genius. Feel free to file a complaint with the legal
>>> authorities and
>>> let us all have more opportunities to laugh at you.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
>>>>> years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it
>>>>> forever.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At least until they finish looking into your online behavior.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Take your best shot, asshole. Your 7 yea history of lying about my
>>> online
>>> behavior is worthless, given your total lack of credibility. I hope you
>>> never
>>> have to take a polygraph test, because you'd end up having to pay for
>>> breaking
>>> the machine.
>>>
>>
>>Likewise, I'm sure. Of course if you actually believe your own bull****,
>>you could probably pass.
>>>
>>>>> And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional when
>>>>> applied to your online behavior?
>>>>
>>>>When they come from a guy like you, abso-****ing-lutely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then you're a fool and in denial. Your behavior gives even laymen, let
>>> alone
>>> mental health professionals, all the proof they need. But those that
>>> are
>>> mentally ill like yourself, have a lot of difficulty recognizing their
>>> own
>>> pathology.
>>
>>If irony killed.
>>
>
>> So your statement is totally predictable and actually provides more
>>> evidence about your mental status.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You just provided some very
>>>>> convincing evidence that it fully applies.
>>>>>
>>>>And you've been providing evidence for 7 years that you are:
>>>>A: A sock puppet
>>>>B. A major league cry baby
>>>>C. A demented prankster
>>>
>>> Congratulations on being able to actually count to "C" in presenting a
>>> trioi of
>>> delusional lies.
>>>
>>> I was tempted to retaliate by forging what you said and substituting
>>> answers.
>>> But since I have something, that you can only dream about and wish for,
>>> self-control, I've decided not copy your latest exercise in fraud and
>>> misrepresentation of what another person has said.
>>
>>Sure you do, that's why you go off on tangents when somebody simply
>>wonders
>>why you include PhD. in your sig line.
>>
>>>
>>> Let's just innstead just observe that McKelvy has provided evidence on
>>> RAO
>>> for
>>> about 7 years of the following:
>>>
Snip of more of BJ's opinions based on nothing.
>>>>> Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I'm sure of it.
>>>
>
>>>>
>>>>It's the rest of the
>>>>> world (almost) that's wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>It's possible. The bottom line is, I'm skeptical, get over it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> it bothers you a lot more than it bothers me. LOL !!!
>>>
>>> You're the one that initiated a bogus proposal designed to prove nothing
>>> other
>>> than that you could lie again and violate any promise you might make.
>>
>>There was nothing bogus about it, of course we'll never know for sure
>>since
>>you ran screaming away from it.
>
> You saw and heard that? Be sure and tell that to Dr Lulow if you meet
> him.
Inability to recognize when someone is speaking figuratively, noted.
> The only running and screaming about yoru proposal is contained in your
> visual
> and auditory hallucinations which you have somehow connecteed to printed
> words
> in an RAO post. Man, you really are waaaaaay over the edge!
>
Only in Richman world where truth is delusion and opinions are lies.
> As more rational and nondelusional readers know, you made a phony proposal
> (which nobody asked for btw)
I asked for it, I'm the one who wanted to know.
based on some bizarre telephone scheme in which
> you hoped that somebody would see through your scam.
It was not a scam, just a way to simply verify that you are the sam BJR that
I found a phone number for, which you seemunwilling to prove.
Obviously, your proposal
> was easy to cheat on with you lying after the fact about either your
> calling or
> my responding. We both know this, and many on RAO realized it
> immediately.
>
You mean you bdreamed that up as an excuse for not going along.
> OTOH, contrary to what you've hallucinated about, there was no runnnhing
> or
> screaming. Instead, I made a counterproposal which would prevent yo from
> cheating, so naturally, you turned it down. My proposal would have
> provided a
> taped record of both your call and my response. Obviously, a compulsive
> liar
> and libeler like yourself wouldn't dare do something where your lies
> after
> the fact could be easily demonstrateed.
>
My proposal just rtequired you to oost 4 digits from a phone number.
Obviously beyond you limited abilities, or beyond your reach.
>
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
Bruce J. Richman
January 17th 05, 03:07 AM
McKelvy is obviously incapable of telling the truth, substantiag his
delusional screeching, or carrying on a rational conversation, so, the
following response it quite apropriate:
In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's continued
repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that I
produce evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and libeling me
on RAO, I decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge
responsibility for his despicable behavior with the following response.
A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April 9, 2004,
which is reproduced below:
1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he initiated
libel thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is worth
noting that he does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his sole
purpose was to libel and defame another person. I chose to ignore this
piece of unprovoked garbage which he initiated. As did every other RAO
poster.
2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the proven
liar and libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the post
reproduced below. It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull**** has
been called and he's been exposed for what most on RAO already have
known him to be for a long time - a hatemongering, bitter, delusional
liar and character assassin whose primary purpose in posting on RAO is
to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false claims and libelous
labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind" (such as it is
in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit his
delusional "complaints" about my professional and ethical behavior
(about which he has admitted he knows nothing - one of the few true
things he has ever said) to the appropriate licensing board in my
state. Of course, he has failed to do so, most likely because he knows
that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after he does so.
4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's compulsive
lies and libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be
sufficient. Pending the results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in
consultation with my attornies, I may elect to pursue legal action
against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy file of false,
libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt, he will
"help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be used
against him.
5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in
consideration of McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological responses
which almost always consist of further lies and libelous false
statements about me, this response is IMHO, quite appropriate.
6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal with
McKelvy's subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and libelous
personal attacks against me.
Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>
>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>>>
>>
>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid
responsibility for
>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my credentials,
training
>>and professional activities.>
>>
>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing about
my
>>credentials, training and professional activities, then laughingly
trying to
>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now attempting
to
>deny
>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies ? insults the
intelligence of
>all
>>RAO readers.
>>
>>His requests for "proof" ? like all his imbecilic grunts and
mutterings
>>concerning me ? are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
>>
>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof, his
>>credibility
>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero, Krueger).
>>
>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of
Google
>>record,
>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this sociopath's
>imbecilic
>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
>>
>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present the
proof for
>>all
>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which it's
>>obviously
>>been inserted for so long.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bruce J. Richman
>>
>
<repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year period by
this
pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
For this pathological liar, all false claims about another person's
training,
credentials, professional experience, etc. ? are only "opinions" ? a
piece of
bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
Here's just one example of his slander:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which this
fool,
reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
Note the slanderous title of the post.
Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last line
after
quoting the Ethical code.
Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I have
ever
committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the title of
this
thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven liar to
submit any
complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has refused
to do
so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted another
blatant lie:
"The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as should be
obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
The reference for this is
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
orp.supernews.com
Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's just
voiced an
opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist, whose
identity is
acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of
virtually all
conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger, is *not*
an
opinion.
His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are just a
few of
many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence presented on
Google:
"The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most highly
regarded
doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States (top 10
ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good record in
my
Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and
perhaps
becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination (Verbal
Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology Acvhievement
section,
I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by schools
to which
I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks, but I
was
wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of the
Clinical
Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James Bieri, who
basically
said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here, and
we're
prepared to make you a nice offfer". That nice offer, which I
accepted, turned
out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) Traineeship in
Clinical
Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings attached
other
than that I meet the academic requirements of the program (maintain a B
average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room & board,
books,
etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of my
classmates
congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept
teaching
assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do was hit
the
books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one of my
classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an elite
"small Ivy
League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like
kindergarten.
Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a Phi
Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League schools or
places
like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started the
program,
only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only a high
degree
of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to deal
with the
stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high attrition
rate
and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year and had
"paid
your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll never
forgot one
of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the class
and say
"Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can still be a
good
citizen""
and the following:
"I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted and
completed"
and the followiong:
"After obtaining my doctorate, I was
also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical School,
Department of
Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I enjoyed
my time
there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr. Joseph
Wolpe, a
world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the founders
of
Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy now
practiced by
most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from pharmacotherapy). "
The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard
Ferstler,
another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of libel on
RAO (not
surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role model).
The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
b%3Dwg
So McKelvy's slandeous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes are
nothing more
than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a proven
liar and
libeler.
No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only thing
made up are
his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO whenever he
continues
to libel me and others.
One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since it
happened a
long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps records.
And I
challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology Director" of a
private
Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The center ran
a
30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who were
either at
high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such procedures
as
cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct the
behavioral
component of this intensive program (which also involved dieticians,
exercise
physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress
management,
smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were among
the
targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities was,
in
conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program through
various
media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in particular
stand out
in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in New York
City on
a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show" (New
Yorkers old
enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base on the
79th
Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's best
known talk
show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours being
interviewed
very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart Disease".
I
remember coming away from that interview thinking that the interviewer
was very
sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the radio
station (and
I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or WIOD).
The name
of the host ? Larry King.
Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any of
these facts
with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the diseased empty
spaces
composing his deluded cranium.
No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
LOL!!!
(I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed, unbelievably
stupid,
delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass himself
once again,
it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of himself
and
exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he responds with
more
bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used, canned
response that
perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations, and
irrational
behaviors.
Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
(FL PY 2543)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
The above probably covers whatever new set of fabrications McKelvy
will attempt to once again use to insult the intelligence of RAO's
readers.
However, in case he is laboring under the misguided impression that I
will any longer read his deluded garbage, the following should apply:
I have not read what the compulsive liar, McKelvy has written below..
There is
no need to in order to respond. As pointed out previously, with each
daily
addition of more idiotic and psychotic rantings and ravings ?
essentially as
meaningless as the ones he's posted on the previous day ? he simply
continues
to provide additional evidence of his desperation, his psychotic
thought
processes, and of course, his hatred.
No doubt, he will keep responding with further psychotic blather to
this post
as well. This assinine, seriously disturbed cretin corresponds quite
closely
to a rat in a Skinner box, who robotically presses a bar to get some
food. In
this case, the "bar" (metaphorically speaking) would be the voices in
his head
telling him to invent more absurdities whenever he sees my name. The
"food"
metaphorically speaking would, of course, be the delusional beliefs
that others
are getting his "message".
State tuned for another chapter in the never ending saga of McKelvy's
"Psychotic Fabrications - My Mission on RAO"
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >
> >>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> oups.com...
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might.
There is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
> >>>>> practice in
> >>>>>> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
> >>>>> Psychology
> >>>>>> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at
Austin.
> >>>>> You
> >>>>>> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but
let's
> >>>>> talk
> >>>>>> about this guy on a NG.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a
damn
> >>>>> thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year
campaign
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> lies and libel.
> >>>>
> >>>>Keep calling it that. I'll keep telling the truth and call them
> >>>>opinions.
> >>>
> >>> I intend to, because it exposes your dishonesty. Your attempts
to
> >>> mislabel
> >>> your false statements and lies as opinions are just more examples
of
> >>> your
> >>> chronic lying.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
> >>>>> paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
> >>>>
> >>>>That was your school U Moron?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't expect a documeneted imbecile like yourself to know
this, but
> >>> the
> >>> University of Texas at Austin has long bveen ranked among the top
10 or
> >>> 20
> >>> graduate training programs in Clinical Psychology in the United
States,
> >>> you
> >>> fool.
> >>> I went there on a National Institutes of Mental Health Fellowship
-
> >>> hardly
> >>> something handed out to people that are developmentally disabled
like
> >>> yourself.
> >>>
> >>> I also did a postdoctoral in Behavior Therapy in Temple
University
> >>> Medical
> >>> School in Philadelphia. And I interned at Massachusetts General
> >>> Hospital
> >>> in
> >>> Boston. Ever heard of those places, moron?
> >>>
> >>I"m sure the real Dr. Richman did, what's that got to do with you?
> >
> > What does reality-testing and telling the truth have to do with
you?
> > Nothing,
> > of course. More lies are all you can babble.
> >
> >>>
> >>>>> You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'd have to along with some of your classic posts to show him how
sane
> >>>>and
> >>>>professional you have become in your old age.
> >>>
> >>> If you do that, Dr. Lulow will no doubt be astute enough to have
your
> >>> involuntarily committed under California law for exhibiting that
you're
> >>> either
> >>> dangerous to yourself or others, or unable to care for yourself
because
> >>> of
> >>> a
> >>> mental illness
> >>
> >>Showing him your words would make him want to commit me, riiigghht.
> >>
> >>(that's how the cdmmittment papers read in most states, but you
> >>> probably already know that from prior experiences with the mental
> >>> hospital
> >>> system).
> >>
> >>More projection? I must be getting to you again, the spelling's
getting
> >>wierd again. How many people do you knowthat have been
"cdmmittmented."
> >>
> >> IOW, he's know you're crazy
> >>
> >>I'm sure "he's know you're crazy." They all do.
> >>
> >
> > Who is they, crazy man?
>
> Everybody who reads what you right.
>
>
>
> >>and have you committed against your will.
> >>> After your release, you can rant and rave some more about how
Drs.
> >>> Richman,
> >>> Lulow and a couple of probably dead psychologists from the
University of
> >>> Texas
> >>> all conspired to fool him about my identity.
> >>>
> >>You have a very rich fantasy life.
> >
> > Only the above conspiracy theories are products of your paranoid
and quite
> > delusionoal set of false beliefrs
> >
>
> Unless they're not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating
me, a
> >>>>> false
> >>>>>> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really
think
> >>>>> anybody
> >>>>>> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you
it's
> >>>>> AGAINST
> >>>>>> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF
THEY ARE
> >>>>> NOT.
> >>>>>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive,
or
> >>>>> anxious
> >>>>>> > to be arrested.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> Let's see if I have this correct.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool
of
> >>>>> yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You deny it.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> <At this point, McKelvy copied his role model, Krueger's, nasty
habit of
> >>> deleting information that exposed his dishonesty:P
> >>>
> >>It would be so hard for somebody to go back a couple of posts to
see what
> >>I
> >>actually wrote, wouldn't it?
> >>
> > Why would any rational person want to reread your trash?
>
> To get the whole truth and not your selective editing. To see who is
> telling the truth, which doesn't favor you.
>
> Besides, your
> > attempts to cover up the truth are consistent with your typical
posting
> > style.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>> Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is that your word for healthy skepticism?
> >>>
> >>> No, it's my term for a ridiculous statement in reference to a
> >>> psychologist
> >>> that
> >>> I have neither seen nor communicated with in over 30 years and 2
other
> >>> psychologists (whose roles only real clinical psychology graduate
> >>> students
> >>> in
> >>> that program would know, dumbass) that may or may not be alive.
It's my
> >>> term
> >>> for a conspiracy theory based on a set of false beliefs - AKA
delusions.
> Richman world, truths are lies. Accuate descriptions are delusions.
>
> >>
> >>Like the delusion you have that you're a doctor?
> >>
> >
> > Care to put some money on that, you lying bag of ****?
>
> Not really, I already acknowledged you might be a shrink.
>
> Are you ready to
> > publish your false claims in an American printed publication?
>
> This is an American publication. The stuff you're reading, it's
print.
>
> Why don't you
> > admit, you worthless liar and libeler, that your proposal was about
as
> > phony as
> > we know you to be?
>
> Because that would be a lie.
>
> You just wanted to see if you could scam the RAO readers.
> >
> I just want to know the truth about RAO's king of the whackos.
>
> > Admit, asshole, that you've ducked my prroposal because you can't
cheat on
> > it,
> > and it would provide the evidence you've tried to avoid for 7
years.
>
> I couldn't have cheated on mine.
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>> That's right,
> >>>>> Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving
a
> >>>>> psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years
and a
> >>>>> couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be
alive.
> >>
> >>If he hasn't seen Dr. Richman in that long, I'd better just cull
one or
> >>two
> >>of your best posts, so I don't shock him too badly.
> >
> > Take your best shot, asshole. After spending a few minutes with
you,
> > he'll
> > know you're a paranoid, delusional piece of **** in need of
involuntary
> > treatment (since you're too stupid to have any self-awareness or
believe
> > what
> > many have already told you).
> >
> More projection?
>
> >>
> >> But
> >>>>> you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
> >>>>> involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil,
the
> >>>>> telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous
other
> >>>>> conspirators.
> >>>>>
> >>>>Childs play compared to some of the really wierd stuff that's
happened
> >>>>here
> >>>>over the last decade. Hell, last night some guy who's been
flaming
> >>>>people
> >>>>for
> >>>>nothing, for 7 ****ing years, claimed he'd done no wrong, Oh
wait, that
> >>>>was
> >>>>you.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That's not what I said, asshole. But feel free to misquote me.
> >>I'll refresh your pathetic memory.
> >>I said:
> >>
> >>" I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?"
> >>
> >>And Bruce replied:
> >>
> >>"There's none for me to accept."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And as usual,
> >>> you're lying your ass off when you claim that I've been flaming
people
> >>> ......."FOR NOTHING".
>
> For some very petty stuff that NORMAL people would have simply
shrugged off.
>
> Just keep telling yourslef that. The evidence of your crybaby
attitude is
> there for all to see.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Bull****. Almost every time you open your lying mouth, you give
people a
> > very
> > valid reason to flame you.
>
> But the others at least get the facts right, you just make it up as
you go
> along.
>
> That would also be true of Krueger and Lionel, a
> > couple of equally obnoxious and dedicated flamers who more often
than not
> > can
> > be found insulting one person or another on RAO.
>
> And you like to fan the flames, hippocrite.
> >
> >
> >
> >>You're in denial when it comes to the numerous smears of
> >>> Krueger, yourself and a few others.
> >>
> >>We all know who's in denial, Bruce.
> >>
> >
> > We sure do, Mike.
> >
> >
> >> Nobody on RAO is flaming people "for
> >>> nothing" except Krueger and Ferstler.
> >>
> >>I knew you'd get to an outright lie eventually, thanks for not
> >>dissappointing.
> >>
> >> It's a matter of Google record that
> >>> Krueger has frequently attacked people personally simply because
they
> >>> disagreed
> >>> with his views.
> >>
> >>Show me.
> >
> > Deny it and prove once again that you're a liar.
>
> Inability to show valid evidence noted.
>
> Anybody with even the
> > smallest iota of dishonesty -
>
> I'm pretty sure I have the smallest iota of "dishonesty." Freudian
slip?
>
> which excludes you - can simply put in key words
> > like vinyl, tubes, or the names of the numerous people listed in
the
> > thread
> > entitled "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience" and read what
Krueger has
> > had
> > to say to them.
> >
> And find the same 12 idiots who are always involved in the flame
fest.
>
> >>
> >> If you believe otherwise, than you're clearly delusional.
> >>
> >>OOPS, more of that professional lingo, naughty, naughty.
> >>
> >
> > More accurate description of a lying piece of garbage named McKelvy
who
> > has a 7
> > year history of making false statements based on a set of false
beliefs
> > not
> > supported by factual evidence. IOW, evidence of delusions.
> >
> Actually it's more a fitting description of somebody who feels so put
upon
> that he has to flame somebody in the Julian Hirsch RIP thread.
> >>
> >>> Also, Ferstler, frequently smears people both collectively by
starting
> >>> his
> >>> posts with salutations like "Hello, Idiots", or individually,
again,
> >>> just
> >>> because they don't agree with his biases.
> >>
> >>Just like what happpens when he doesn't agree with theirs, nobody
is guilt
> >>free,
> >>especially you.
> >
> > You juust contradicted yourself and provided more evidence that you
can't
> > even
> > keep your lies in this oost straight.
> > You claim that people flame people for nothing.
>
> I said you do, so do some others, some of the time. You do it all of
the
> time. There are plenty of threads on record where you have not been
> mentioned and you feel compelled to insert a flame, just like the
Julian
> Hirsch thread. It's what you do.
>
> >
> >>
> >>> And then there's you, of course, that has made self-serving
statements
> >>> in
> >>> which
> >>> you claim you have the right to attack people that have attacked
your
> >>> few
> >>> friends like your role model, Krueger.
> >>
> >>There's another thing you won't be able to find a quote for, since
I never
> >>said it.
> >
> > You've recently claimed that you attack me because I attack Arny.
>
> Sometimes.
>
> Several
> > [people have noticed it and commented on it.
>
> But of course you won't bother to post the full, in context quote.
>
> You're full of **** again if you
> > deny saying words to that effect.
>
> Get the quote.
>
> Chronic flamers like you just love to smear
> > anybody that retaliates against one of your very few fellow
flamers.
>
> Another lie.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> IOW, you don't care if somebody has
> >>> attacked you or not, you're just looking for any excuse you can
find to
> >>> smear
> >>> your enemies.
> >>>
>
> You have us confused Bruce, that's your M.O..
>
>
> >>Hmmmmmm, who else do we know like that? Some ****head who made a
personl
> >>attack during the Julian Hirsch thread. Oh yeah, YOU.
> >>
> >
> > We all know a wrothless piece of **** named McKelvy that launched a
smear
> > campaign in the same thread even though his name was never
mentioned.
>
> Because of your stupid, ****ing, completely unprovoked, completely
> inappropriate flame in that thread.
>
> We
> > alkso can provide evidence and have in the past, that this is
typical
> > behavior
> > for McKelvy.
> >
> And of yours as has been done, but you just deny it and say you're
the
> victim.
> >>>>
> >>>>> The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on
what to
> >>>>> say.
> >>>>
> >>>>So you finally come clean, eh?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Naaaaaaaaah. I'm just feeding your delusional system and taking
> >>> advantage
> >>> of
> >>> your stupidity.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
> >>>>> impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
> >>>>> authorities to overlook this felony.
> >>>>
> >>>>There's no proof that the person posting as BJM is actually in
Florida.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know about that. I haven't made the acquaintance of BJM.
> >>>
> >>OOPS, my turn, that should have been BLR, I guess I just think of
you as a
> >>BM.
> >>
> >
> > Since most of us realize that hour head has been inserted in your
rectum
> > ever
> > since you began polluting RAOI,
>
> RAOI? Gotta take the pills on time Doc.
>
> we also know that you are terminallly
> > constipated when it comes to rational thoughts, and constantly
overflowing
> > with
> > verbal diarrhea.
> >
>
> Thus spaks thelongest wind **** on RAO. LOL
> >
> >>
> >>>>There's no reason you couldn't actually be a psychologist.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Finally, a valid statement. Congratulations.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> He also hooked up a telephone
> >>>>> forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody
called
> >>>>> from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor
like me
> >>>>> wouldn't know.
> >>>>
> >>>>Probably the real one got one of those call blockers that require
extra
> >>>>digits.
> >>>
> >>> More delusions, on cue.
> >>>
> >>A possibility, not a delusion, I'm not saying that is in fact the
case,
> >>only
> >>that it could be. Nice try though.
> >>>
> >>>>He was probably getting tired of all the calls from people you'd
****ed
> >>>>off.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> More evidence of paranoia, on cue.
> >>>
> >>See above.
> >>>
> >>>>He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
> >>>>> th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to
let an
> >>>>> impostor claim he went to these places.
> >>>>
> >>>>Fake CV's are a dime a dozen.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> But school and hospital records that can be verified or not,
dumbass.
> >>
> >>No reason why you couldn't know the real Dr. Richman.
> >
> > I know him a lot better than you'll ever realize, since you're
quite
> > delusional
> > and in denial re. the facts.
> >
> Or not.
>
> >>
> >>Neither
> >>> are records that are part of public information.
> >>> Would you also like a list of hospitals at which I've had medical
staff
> >>> privileges, dumbo?
> >>
> >>And read more of your lies and distortions? No thanks.
> >
> > Tell that to the hospitals. Several of them have psychiatric
floors and
> > will
> > be interested to hear from somebody like you that clearly qualifies
for
> > admission.
> >
>
> Which hospitals were you confined in?
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>> It seems to have escaped your grasp, however. Posting on a
public forum
> >>> and
> >>> representing yourself as a psychologist if you are not qualified
to do
> >>> so
> >>> is a
> >>> felony, dumbo.
> >>
> >>Already addressed that issue Goofy.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> I guess you glossed over that piece of information above. And
> >>> if one psychologist were to pretend to be another psychologist,
that
> >>> would
> >>> also
> >>> be fraud, genius. Feel free to file a complaint with the legal
> >>> authorities and
> >>> let us all have more opportunities to laugh at you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
> >>>>> years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with
it
> >>>>> forever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>At least until they finish looking into your online behavior.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Take your best shot, asshole. Your 7 yea history of lying about
my
> >>> online
> >>> behavior is worthless, given your total lack of credibility. I
hope you
> >>> never
> >>> have to take a polygraph test, because you'd end up having to pay
for
> >>> breaking
> >>> the machine.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Likewise, I'm sure. Of course if you actually believe your own
bull****,
> >>you could probably pass.
> >>>
> >>>>> And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional
when
> >>>>> applied to your online behavior?
> >>>>
> >>>>When they come from a guy like you, abso-****ing-lutely.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Then you're a fool and in denial. Your behavior gives even
laymen, let
> >>> alone
> >>> mental health professionals, all the proof they need. But those
that
> >>> are
> >>> mentally ill like yourself, have a lot of difficulty recognizing
their
> >>> own
> >>> pathology.
> >>
> >>If irony killed.
> >>
> >
> >> So your statement is totally predictable and actually provides
more
> >>> evidence about your mental status.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> You just provided some very
> >>>>> convincing evidence that it fully applies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>And you've been providing evidence for 7 years that you are:
> >>>>A: A sock puppet
> >>>>B. A major league cry baby
> >>>>C. A demented prankster
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations on being able to actually count to "C" in
presenting a
> >>> trioi of
> >>> delusional lies.
> >>>
> >>> I was tempted to retaliate by forging what you said and
substituting
> >>> answers.
> >>> But since I have something, that you can only dream about and
wish for,
> >>> self-control, I've decided not copy your latest exercise in fraud
and
> >>> misrepresentation of what another person has said.
> >>
> >>Sure you do, that's why you go off on tangents when somebody simply
> >>wonders
> >>why you include PhD. in your sig line.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Let's just innstead just observe that McKelvy has provided
evidence on
> >>> RAO
> >>> for
> >>> about 7 years of the following:
> >>>
> Snip of more of BJ's opinions based on nothing.
>
>
> >>>>> Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid.
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh, I'm sure of it.
> >>>
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>It's the rest of the
> >>>>> world (almost) that's wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>It's possible. The bottom line is, I'm skeptical, get over it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> it bothers you a lot more than it bothers me. LOL !!!
> >>>
> >>> You're the one that initiated a bogus proposal designed to prove
nothing
> >>> other
> >>> than that you could lie again and violate any promise you might
make.
> >>
> >>There was nothing bogus about it, of course we'll never know for
sure
> >>since
> >>you ran screaming away from it.
> >
> > You saw and heard that? Be sure and tell that to Dr Lulow if you
meet
> > him.
>
> Inability to recognize when someone is speaking figuratively, noted.
>
> > The only running and screaming about yoru proposal is contained in
your
> > visual
> > and auditory hallucinations which you have somehow connecteed to
printed
> > words
> > in an RAO post. Man, you really are waaaaaay over the edge!
> >
> Only in Richman world where truth is delusion and opinions are lies.
>
> > As more rational and nondelusional readers know, you made a phony
proposal
> > (which nobody asked for btw)
>
> I asked for it, I'm the one who wanted to know.
>
> based on some bizarre telephone scheme in which
> > you hoped that somebody would see through your scam.
>
> It was not a scam, just a way to simply verify that you are the sam
BJR that
> I found a phone number for, which you seemunwilling to prove.
>
> Obviously, your proposal
> > was easy to cheat on with you lying after the fact about either
your
> > calling or
> > my responding. We both know this, and many on RAO realized it
> > immediately.
> >
> You mean you bdreamed that up as an excuse for not going along.
>
> > OTOH, contrary to what you've hallucinated about, there was no
runnnhing
> > or
> > screaming. Instead, I made a counterproposal which would prevent
yo from
> > cheating, so naturally, you turned it down. My proposal would have
> > provided a
> > taped record of both your call and my response. Obviously, a
compulsive
> > liar
> > and libeler like yourself wouldn't dare do something where your
lies
> > after
> > the fact could be easily demonstrateed.
> >
> My proposal just rtequired you to oost 4 digits from a phone number.
> Obviously beyond you limited abilities, or beyond your reach.
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
Michael McKelvy
January 17th 05, 09:39 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> McKelvy is obviously incapable of telling the truth, substantiag his
> delusional screeching, or carrying on a rational conversation, so, the
> following response it quite apropriate:
>
> In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's continued
> repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that I
> produce evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and libeling me
> on RAO, I decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge
> responsibility for his despicable behavior with the following response.
>
> A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April 9, 2004,
> which is reproduced below:
>
> 1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he initiated
> libel thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is worth
> noting that he does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his sole
> purpose was to libel and defame another person. I chose to ignore this
> piece of unprovoked garbage which he initiated. As did every other RAO
> poster.
>
> 2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the proven
> liar and libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the post
> reproduced below. It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull**** has
> been called and he's been exposed for what most on RAO already have
> known him to be for a long time - a hatemongering, bitter, delusional
> liar and character assassin whose primary purpose in posting on RAO is
> to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false claims and libelous
> labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind" (such as it is
> in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
>
> 3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit his
> delusional "complaints" about my professional and ethical behavior
> (about which he has admitted he knows nothing - one of the few true
> things he has ever said) to the appropriate licensing board in my
> state. Of course, he has failed to do so, most likely because he knows
> that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after he does so.
>
> 4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's compulsive
> lies and libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be
> sufficient. Pending the results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in
> consultation with my attornies, I may elect to pursue legal action
> against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy file of false,
> libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt, he will
> "help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be used
> against him.
>
> 5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in
> consideration of McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological responses
> which almost always consist of further lies and libelous false
> statements about me, this response is IMHO, quite appropriate.
>
> 6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal with
> McKelvy's subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and libelous
> personal attacks against me.
>
>
>
>
> Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>>
>>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>>>>
>>>
>>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid
> responsibility for
>>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my credentials,
> training
>>>and professional activities.>
>>>
>>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing about
> my
>>>credentials, training and professional activities, then laughingly
> trying to
>>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now attempting
> to
>>deny
>>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies ? insults the
> intelligence of
>>all
>>>RAO readers.
>>>
>>>His requests for "proof" ? like all his imbecilic grunts and
> mutterings
>>>concerning me ? are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
>>>
>>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof, his
>>>credibility
>>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero, Krueger).
>>>
>>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of
> Google
>>>record,
>>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this sociopath's
>>imbecilic
>>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
>>>
>>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present the
> proof for
>>>all
>>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which it's
>>>obviously
>>>been inserted for so long.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruce J. Richman
>>>
>>
>
> <repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year period by
> this
> pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
>
> For this pathological liar, all false claims about another person's
> training,
> credentials, professional experience, etc. ? are only "opinions" ? a
> piece of
> bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
>
> Here's just one example of his slander:
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
> 40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
> Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
>
> Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which this
> fool,
> reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
>
> Note the slanderous title of the post.
>
> Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last line
> after
> quoting the Ethical code.
>
> Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I have
> ever
> committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the title of
> this
> thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
>
> I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven liar to
> submit any
>
> complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has refused
> to do
> so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
>
> This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted another
> blatant lie:
>
>
> "The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as should be
> obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
>
> The reference for this is
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
> orp.supernews.com
>
> Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's just
> voiced an
> opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist, whose
> identity is
>
> acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of
> virtually all
> conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger, is *not*
> an
> opinion.
>
> His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are just a
> few of
> many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
>
> He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence presented on
> Google:
>
> "The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most highly
> regarded
> doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States (top 10
> ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good record in
> my
> Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and
> perhaps
> becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination (Verbal
> Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology Acvhievement
> section,
> I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by schools
> to which
> I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks, but I
> was
> wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of the
> Clinical
> Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James Bieri, who
> basically
> said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here, and
> we're
> prepared to make you a nice offfer". That nice offer, which I
> accepted, turned
> out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) Traineeship in
> Clinical
> Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings attached
> other
> than that I meet the academic requirements of the program (maintain a B
> average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room & board,
> books,
> etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of my
> classmates
> congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept
> teaching
> assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do was hit
> the
> books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one of my
> classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an elite
> "small Ivy
> League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like
> kindergarten.
> Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a Phi
> Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League schools or
> places
> like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started the
> program,
> only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only a high
> degree
> of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to deal
> with the
> stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high attrition
> rate
> and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year and had
> "paid
> your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll never
> forgot one
> of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the class
> and say
> "Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can still be a
> good
> citizen""
>
> and the following:
>
> "I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
> Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted and
> completed"
>
> and the followiong:
>
> "After obtaining my doctorate, I was
> also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical School,
> Department of
> Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I enjoyed
> my time
> there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr. Joseph
> Wolpe, a
> world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the founders
> of
> Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy now
> practiced by
> most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from pharmacotherapy). "
>
> The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard
> Ferstler,
> another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of libel on
> RAO (not
> surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role model).
>
> The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
> 19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
> and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
> b%3Dwg
>
> So McKelvy's slandeous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes are
> nothing more
> than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a proven
> liar and
> libeler.
>
> No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only thing
> made up are
> his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO whenever he
> continues
> to libel me and others.
>
> One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since it
> happened a
> long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps records.
> And I
> challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
>
> In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology Director" of a
> private
> Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The center ran
> a
> 30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who were
> either at
> high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such procedures
> as
> cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct the
> behavioral
> component of this intensive program (which also involved dieticians,
> exercise
> physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress
> management,
>
> smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were among
> the
> targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities was,
> in
> conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program through
> various
> media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in particular
> stand out
> in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in New York
> City on
> a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show" (New
> Yorkers old
> enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base on the
> 79th
> Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's best
> known talk
> show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours being
> interviewed
> very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart Disease".
> I
> remember coming away from that interview thinking that the interviewer
> was very
> sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the radio
> station (and
> I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or WIOD).
> The name
> of the host ? Larry King.
>
> Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
>
> I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any of
> these facts
> with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the diseased empty
> spaces
> composing his deluded cranium.
>
> No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
>
> LOL!!!
>
> (I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
> accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed, unbelievably
> stupid,
> delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass himself
> once again,
> it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of himself
> and
> exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
>
> Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he responds with
> more
> bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used, canned
> response that
> perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations, and
> irrational
> behaviors.
>
> Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
> Licensed Psychologist
> (FL PY 2543)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The above probably covers whatever new set of fabrications McKelvy
> will attempt to once again use to insult the intelligence of RAO's
> readers.
>
> However, in case he is laboring under the misguided impression that I
> will any longer read his deluded garbage, the following should apply:
>
> I have not read what the compulsive liar, McKelvy has written below..
> There is
> no need to in order to respond. As pointed out previously, with each
> daily
> addition of more idiotic and psychotic rantings and ravings ?
> essentially as
> meaningless as the ones he's posted on the previous day ? he simply
> continues
> to provide additional evidence of his desperation, his psychotic
> thought
> processes, and of course, his hatred.
>
> No doubt, he will keep responding with further psychotic blather to
> this post
> as well. This assinine, seriously disturbed cretin corresponds quite
> closely
> to a rat in a Skinner box, who robotically presses a bar to get some
> food. In
> this case, the "bar" (metaphorically speaking) would be the voices in
> his head
> telling him to invent more absurdities whenever he sees my name. The
> "food"
> metaphorically speaking would, of course, be the delusional beliefs
> that others
> are getting his "message".
>
> State tuned for another chapter in the never ending saga of McKelvy's
> "Psychotic Fabrications - My Mission on RAO"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> >>>>>> oups.com...
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might.
> There is
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>>> > psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a
>> >>>>> practice in
>> >>>>>> > Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical
>> >>>>> Psychology
>> >>>>>> > doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at
> Austin.
>> >>>>> You
>> >>>>>> > can always call him and ask if he remembers me.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but
> let's
>> >>>>> talk
>> >>>>>> about this guy on a NG.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a
> damn
>> >>>>> thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year
> campaign
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> lies and libel.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Keep calling it that. I'll keep telling the truth and call them
>> >>>>opinions.
>> >>>
>> >>> I intend to, because it exposes your dishonesty. Your attempts
> to
>> >>> mislabel
>> >>> your false statements and lies as opinions are just more examples
> of
>> >>> your
>> >>> chronic lying.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally
>> >>>>> paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>That was your school U Moron?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I wouldn't expect a documeneted imbecile like yourself to know
> this, but
>> >>> the
>> >>> University of Texas at Austin has long bveen ranked among the top
> 10 or
>> >>> 20
>> >>> graduate training programs in Clinical Psychology in the United
> States,
>> >>> you
>> >>> fool.
>> >>> I went there on a National Institutes of Mental Health Fellowship
> -
>> >>> hardly
>> >>> something handed out to people that are developmentally disabled
> like
>> >>> yourself.
>> >>>
>> >>> I also did a postdoctoral in Behavior Therapy in Temple
> University
>> >>> Medical
>> >>> School in Philadelphia. And I interned at Massachusetts General
>> >>> Hospital
>> >>> in
>> >>> Boston. Ever heard of those places, moron?
>> >>>
>> >>I"m sure the real Dr. Richman did, what's that got to do with you?
>> >
>> > What does reality-testing and telling the truth have to do with
> you?
>> > Nothing,
>> > of course. More lies are all you can babble.
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>>> You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I'd have to along with some of your classic posts to show him how
> sane
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>professional you have become in your old age.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you do that, Dr. Lulow will no doubt be astute enough to have
> your
>> >>> involuntarily committed under California law for exhibiting that
> you're
>> >>> either
>> >>> dangerous to yourself or others, or unable to care for yourself
> because
>> >>> of
>> >>> a
>> >>> mental illness
>> >>
>> >>Showing him your words would make him want to commit me, riiigghht.
>> >>
>> >>(that's how the cdmmittment papers read in most states, but you
>> >>> probably already know that from prior experiences with the mental
>
>> >>> hospital
>> >>> system).
>> >>
>> >>More projection? I must be getting to you again, the spelling's
> getting
>> >>wierd again. How many people do you knowthat have been
> "cdmmittmented."
>> >>
>> >> IOW, he's know you're crazy
>> >>
>> >>I'm sure "he's know you're crazy." They all do.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Who is they, crazy man?
>>
>> Everybody who reads what you right.
>>
>>
>>
>> >>and have you committed against your will.
>> >>> After your release, you can rant and rave some more about how
> Drs.
>> >>> Richman,
>> >>> Lulow and a couple of probably dead psychologists from the
> University of
>> >>> Texas
>> >>> all conspired to fool him about my identity.
>> >>>
>> >>You have a very rich fantasy life.
>> >
>> > Only the above conspiracy theories are products of your paranoid
> and quite
>> > delusionoal set of false beliefrs
>> >
>>
>> Unless they're not.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating
> me, a
>> >>>>> false
>> >>>>>> > statement you've made more than once, but do you really
> think
>> >>>>> anybody
>> >>>>>> > is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you
> it's
>> >>>>> AGAINST
>> >>>>>> > THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF
> THEY ARE
>> >>>>> NOT.
>> >>>>>> > I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive,
> or
>> >>>>> anxious
>> >>>>>> > to be arrested.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> Let's see if I have this correct.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I suspect you are a sockpuppet.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool
> of
>> >>>>> yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> You deny it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> <At this point, McKelvy copied his role model, Krueger's, nasty
> habit of
>> >>> deleting information that exposed his dishonesty:P
>> >>>
>> >>It would be so hard for somebody to go back a couple of posts to
> see what
>> >>I
>> >>actually wrote, wouldn't it?
>> >>
>> > Why would any rational person want to reread your trash?
>>
>> To get the whole truth and not your selective editing. To see who is
>
>> telling the truth, which doesn't favor you.
>>
>> Besides, your
>> > attempts to cover up the truth are consistent with your typical
> posting
>> > style.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Is that your word for healthy skepticism?
>> >>>
>> >>> No, it's my term for a ridiculous statement in reference to a
>> >>> psychologist
>> >>> that
>> >>> I have neither seen nor communicated with in over 30 years and 2
> other
>> >>> psychologists (whose roles only real clinical psychology graduate
>
>> >>> students
>> >>> in
>> >>> that program would know, dumbass) that may or may not be alive.
> It's my
>> >>> term
>> >>> for a conspiracy theory based on a set of false beliefs - AKA
> delusions.
>> Richman world, truths are lies. Accuate descriptions are delusions.
>>
>> >>
>> >>Like the delusion you have that you're a doctor?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Care to put some money on that, you lying bag of ****?
>>
>> Not really, I already acknowledged you might be a shrink.
>>
>> Are you ready to
>> > publish your false claims in an American printed publication?
>>
>> This is an American publication. The stuff you're reading, it's
> print.
>>
>> Why don't you
>> > admit, you worthless liar and libeler, that your proposal was about
> as
>> > phony as
>> > we know you to be?
>>
>> Because that would be a lie.
>>
>> You just wanted to see if you could scam the RAO readers.
>> >
>> I just want to know the truth about RAO's king of the whackos.
>>
>> > Admit, asshole, that you've ducked my prroposal because you can't
> cheat on
>> > it,
>> > and it would provide the evidence you've tried to avoid for 7
> years.
>>
>> I couldn't have cheated on mine.
>> >
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>> That's right,
>> >>>>> Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving
> a
>> >>>>> psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years
> and a
>> >>>>> couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be
> alive.
>> >>
>> >>If he hasn't seen Dr. Richman in that long, I'd better just cull
> one or
>> >>two
>> >>of your best posts, so I don't shock him too badly.
>> >
>> > Take your best shot, asshole. After spending a few minutes with
> you,
>> > he'll
>> > know you're a paranoid, delusional piece of **** in need of
> involuntary
>> > treatment (since you're too stupid to have any self-awareness or
> believe
>> > what
>> > many have already told you).
>> >
>> More projection?
>>
>> >>
>> >> But
>> >>>>> you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies
>> >>>>> involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil,
> the
>> >>>>> telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous
> other
>> >>>>> conspirators.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>Childs play compared to some of the really wierd stuff that's
> happened
>> >>>>here
>> >>>>over the last decade. Hell, last night some guy who's been
> flaming
>> >>>>people
>> >>>>for
>> >>>>nothing, for 7 ****ing years, claimed he'd done no wrong, Oh
> wait, that
>> >>>>was
>> >>>>you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> That's not what I said, asshole. But feel free to misquote me.
>> >>I'll refresh your pathetic memory.
>> >>I said:
>> >>
>> >>" I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours?"
>> >>
>> >>And Bruce replied:
>> >>
>> >>"There's none for me to accept."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And as usual,
>> >>> you're lying your ass off when you claim that I've been flaming
> people
>> >>> ......."FOR NOTHING".
>>
>> For some very petty stuff that NORMAL people would have simply
> shrugged off.
>>
>> Just keep telling yourslef that. The evidence of your crybaby
> attitude is
>> there for all to see.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Bull****. Almost every time you open your lying mouth, you give
> people a
>> > very
>> > valid reason to flame you.
>>
>> But the others at least get the facts right, you just make it up as
> you go
>> along.
>>
>> That would also be true of Krueger and Lionel, a
>> > couple of equally obnoxious and dedicated flamers who more often
> than not
>> > can
>> > be found insulting one person or another on RAO.
>>
>> And you like to fan the flames, hippocrite.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>You're in denial when it comes to the numerous smears of
>> >>> Krueger, yourself and a few others.
>> >>
>> >>We all know who's in denial, Bruce.
>> >>
>> >
>> > We sure do, Mike.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Nobody on RAO is flaming people "for
>> >>> nothing" except Krueger and Ferstler.
>> >>
>> >>I knew you'd get to an outright lie eventually, thanks for not
>> >>dissappointing.
>> >>
>> >> It's a matter of Google record that
>> >>> Krueger has frequently attacked people personally simply because
> they
>> >>> disagreed
>> >>> with his views.
>> >>
>> >>Show me.
>> >
>> > Deny it and prove once again that you're a liar.
>>
>> Inability to show valid evidence noted.
>>
>> Anybody with even the
>> > smallest iota of dishonesty -
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I have the smallest iota of "dishonesty." Freudian
> slip?
>>
>> which excludes you - can simply put in key words
>> > like vinyl, tubes, or the names of the numerous people listed in
> the
>> > thread
>> > entitled "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience" and read what
> Krueger has
>> > had
>> > to say to them.
>> >
>> And find the same 12 idiots who are always involved in the flame
> fest.
>>
>> >>
>> >> If you believe otherwise, than you're clearly delusional.
>> >>
>> >>OOPS, more of that professional lingo, naughty, naughty.
>> >>
>> >
>> > More accurate description of a lying piece of garbage named McKelvy
> who
>> > has a 7
>> > year history of making false statements based on a set of false
> beliefs
>> > not
>> > supported by factual evidence. IOW, evidence of delusions.
>> >
>> Actually it's more a fitting description of somebody who feels so put
> upon
>> that he has to flame somebody in the Julian Hirsch RIP thread.
>> >>
>> >>> Also, Ferstler, frequently smears people both collectively by
> starting
>> >>> his
>> >>> posts with salutations like "Hello, Idiots", or individually,
> again,
>> >>> just
>> >>> because they don't agree with his biases.
>> >>
>> >>Just like what happpens when he doesn't agree with theirs, nobody
> is guilt
>> >>free,
>> >>especially you.
>> >
>> > You juust contradicted yourself and provided more evidence that you
> can't
>> > even
>> > keep your lies in this oost straight.
>> > You claim that people flame people for nothing.
>>
>> I said you do, so do some others, some of the time. You do it all of
> the
>> time. There are plenty of threads on record where you have not been
>> mentioned and you feel compelled to insert a flame, just like the
> Julian
>> Hirsch thread. It's what you do.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> And then there's you, of course, that has made self-serving
> statements
>> >>> in
>> >>> which
>> >>> you claim you have the right to attack people that have attacked
> your
>> >>> few
>> >>> friends like your role model, Krueger.
>> >>
>> >>There's another thing you won't be able to find a quote for, since
> I never
>> >>said it.
>> >
>> > You've recently claimed that you attack me because I attack Arny.
>>
>> Sometimes.
>>
>> Several
>> > [people have noticed it and commented on it.
>>
>> But of course you won't bother to post the full, in context quote.
>>
>> You're full of **** again if you
>> > deny saying words to that effect.
>>
>> Get the quote.
>>
>> Chronic flamers like you just love to smear
>> > anybody that retaliates against one of your very few fellow
> flamers.
>>
>> Another lie.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> IOW, you don't care if somebody has
>> >>> attacked you or not, you're just looking for any excuse you can
> find to
>> >>> smear
>> >>> your enemies.
>> >>>
>>
>> You have us confused Bruce, that's your M.O..
>>
>>
>> >>Hmmmmmm, who else do we know like that? Some ****head who made a
> personl
>> >>attack during the Julian Hirsch thread. Oh yeah, YOU.
>> >>
>> >
>> > We all know a wrothless piece of **** named McKelvy that launched a
> smear
>> > campaign in the same thread even though his name was never
> mentioned.
>>
>> Because of your stupid, ****ing, completely unprovoked, completely
>> inappropriate flame in that thread.
>>
>> We
>> > alkso can provide evidence and have in the past, that this is
> typical
>> > behavior
>> > for McKelvy.
>> >
>> And of yours as has been done, but you just deny it and say you're
> the
>> victim.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on
> what to
>> >>>>> say.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>So you finally come clean, eh?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Naaaaaaaaah. I'm just feeding your delusional system and taking
>> >>> advantage
>> >>> of
>> >>> your stupidity.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> He also told me not to worry about being arrested for
>> >>>>> impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal
>> >>>>> authorities to overlook this felony.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>There's no proof that the person posting as BJM is actually in
> Florida.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't know about that. I haven't made the acquaintance of BJM.
>> >>>
>> >>OOPS, my turn, that should have been BLR, I guess I just think of
> you as a
>> >>BM.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Since most of us realize that hour head has been inserted in your
> rectum
>> > ever
>> > since you began polluting RAOI,
>>
>> RAOI? Gotta take the pills on time Doc.
>>
>> we also know that you are terminallly
>> > constipated when it comes to rational thoughts, and constantly
> overflowing
>> > with
>> > verbal diarrhea.
>> >
>>
>> Thus spaks thelongest wind **** on RAO. LOL
>> >
>> >>
>> >>>>There's no reason you couldn't actually be a psychologist.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Finally, a valid statement. Congratulations.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> He also hooked up a telephone
>> >>>>> forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody
> called
>> >>>>> from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor
> like me
>> >>>>> wouldn't know.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Probably the real one got one of those call blockers that require
> extra
>> >>>>digits.
>> >>>
>> >>> More delusions, on cue.
>> >>>
>> >>A possibility, not a delusion, I'm not saying that is in fact the
> case,
>> >>only
>> >>that it could be. Nice try though.
>> >>>
>> >>>>He was probably getting tired of all the calls from people you'd
> ****ed
>> >>>>off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> More evidence of paranoia, on cue.
>> >>>
>> >>See above.
>> >>>
>> >>>>He also got in touch with the schools he attended and
>> >>>>> th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to
> let an
>> >>>>> impostor claim he went to these places.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Fake CV's are a dime a dozen.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> But school and hospital records that can be verified or not,
> dumbass.
>> >>
>> >>No reason why you couldn't know the real Dr. Richman.
>> >
>> > I know him a lot better than you'll ever realize, since you're
> quite
>> > delusional
>> > and in denial re. the facts.
>> >
>> Or not.
>>
>> >>
>> >>Neither
>> >>> are records that are part of public information.
>> >>> Would you also like a list of hospitals at which I've had medical
> staff
>> >>> privileges, dumbo?
>> >>
>> >>And read more of your lies and distortions? No thanks.
>> >
>> > Tell that to the hospitals. Several of them have psychiatric
> floors and
>> > will
>> > be interested to hear from somebody like you that clearly qualifies
> for
>> > admission.
>> >
>>
>> Which hospitals were you confined in?
>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> It seems to have escaped your grasp, however. Posting on a
> public forum
>> >>> and
>> >>> representing yourself as a psychologist if you are not qualified
> to do
>> >>> so
>> >>> is a
>> >>> felony, dumbo.
>> >>
>> >>Already addressed that issue Goofy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I guess you glossed over that piece of information above. And
>> >>> if one psychologist were to pretend to be another psychologist,
> that
>> >>> would
>> >>> also
>> >>> be fraud, genius. Feel free to file a complaint with the legal
>> >>> authorities and
>> >>> let us all have more opportunities to laugh at you.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7
>> >>>>> years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with
> it
>> >>>>> forever.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>At least until they finish looking into your online behavior.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Take your best shot, asshole. Your 7 yea history of lying about
> my
>> >>> online
>> >>> behavior is worthless, given your total lack of credibility. I
> hope you
>> >>> never
>> >>> have to take a polygraph test, because you'd end up having to pay
> for
>> >>> breaking
>> >>> the machine.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Likewise, I'm sure. Of course if you actually believe your own
> bull****,
>> >>you could probably pass.
>> >>>
>> >>>>> And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional
> when
>> >>>>> applied to your online behavior?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>When they come from a guy like you, abso-****ing-lutely.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Then you're a fool and in denial. Your behavior gives even
> laymen, let
>> >>> alone
>> >>> mental health professionals, all the proof they need. But those
> that
>> >>> are
>> >>> mentally ill like yourself, have a lot of difficulty recognizing
> their
>> >>> own
>> >>> pathology.
>> >>
>> >>If irony killed.
>> >>
>> >
>> >> So your statement is totally predictable and actually provides
> more
>> >>> evidence about your mental status.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> You just provided some very
>> >>>>> convincing evidence that it fully applies.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>And you've been providing evidence for 7 years that you are:
>> >>>>A: A sock puppet
>> >>>>B. A major league cry baby
>> >>>>C. A demented prankster
>> >>>
>> >>> Congratulations on being able to actually count to "C" in
> presenting a
>> >>> trioi of
>> >>> delusional lies.
>> >>>
>> >>> I was tempted to retaliate by forging what you said and
> substituting
>> >>> answers.
>> >>> But since I have something, that you can only dream about and
> wish for,
>> >>> self-control, I've decided not copy your latest exercise in fraud
> and
>> >>> misrepresentation of what another person has said.
>> >>
>> >>Sure you do, that's why you go off on tangents when somebody simply
>
>> >>wonders
>> >>why you include PhD. in your sig line.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Let's just innstead just observe that McKelvy has provided
> evidence on
>> >>> RAO
>> >>> for
>> >>> about 7 years of the following:
>> >>>
>> Snip of more of BJ's opinions based on nothing.
>>
>>
>> >>>>> Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Oh, I'm sure of it.
>> >>>
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>It's the rest of the
>> >>>>> world (almost) that's wrong.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>It's possible. The bottom line is, I'm skeptical, get over it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> it bothers you a lot more than it bothers me. LOL !!!
>> >>>
>> >>> You're the one that initiated a bogus proposal designed to prove
> nothing
>> >>> other
>> >>> than that you could lie again and violate any promise you might
> make.
>> >>
>> >>There was nothing bogus about it, of course we'll never know for
> sure
>> >>since
>> >>you ran screaming away from it.
>> >
>> > You saw and heard that? Be sure and tell that to Dr Lulow if you
> meet
>> > him.
>>
>> Inability to recognize when someone is speaking figuratively, noted.
>>
>> > The only running and screaming about yoru proposal is contained in
> your
>> > visual
>> > and auditory hallucinations which you have somehow connecteed to
> printed
>> > words
>> > in an RAO post. Man, you really are waaaaaay over the edge!
>> >
>> Only in Richman world where truth is delusion and opinions are lies.
>>
>> > As more rational and nondelusional readers know, you made a phony
> proposal
>> > (which nobody asked for btw)
>>
>> I asked for it, I'm the one who wanted to know.
>>
>> based on some bizarre telephone scheme in which
>> > you hoped that somebody would see through your scam.
>>
>> It was not a scam, just a way to simply verify that you are the sam
> BJR that
>> I found a phone number for, which you seemunwilling to prove.
>>
>> Obviously, your proposal
>> > was easy to cheat on with you lying after the fact about either
> your
>> > calling or
>> > my responding. We both know this, and many on RAO realized it
>> > immediately.
>> >
>> You mean you bdreamed that up as an excuse for not going along.
>>
>> > OTOH, contrary to what you've hallucinated about, there was no
> runnnhing
>> > or
>> > screaming. Instead, I made a counterproposal which would prevent
> yo from
>> > cheating, so naturally, you turned it down. My proposal would have
>
>> > provided a
>> > taped record of both your call and my response. Obviously, a
> compulsive
>> > liar
>> > and libeler like yourself wouldn't dare do something where your
> lies
>> > after
>> > the fact could be easily demonstrateed.
>> >
>> My proposal just rtequired you to oost 4 digits from a phone number.
>> Obviously beyond you limited abilities, or beyond your reach.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
SCORE!
Bruce J. Richman
January 17th 05, 06:49 PM
>Subject: Re: O.T. Phone service
>From: "Michael McKelvy"
>Date: 1/17/2005 4:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: t>
In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's continued
repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that I produce
evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and libeling me on RAO, I
decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge responsibility for his
despicable behavior with the following response.
A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April 9, 2004, which
is reproduced below:
1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he initiated libel
thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is worth noting that he
does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his sole purpose was to libel and
defame another person. I chose to ignore this piece of unprovoked garbage
which he initiated. As did every other RAO poster.
2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the proven liar and
libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the post reproduced below.
It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull**** has been called and he's been
exposed for what most on RAO already have known him to be for a long time - a
hatemongering, bitter, delusional liar and character assassin whose primary
purpose in posting on RAO is to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false
claims and libelous labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind"
(such as it is in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit his delusional
"complaints" about my professional and ethical behavior (about which he has
admitted he knows nothing - one of the few true things he has ever said) to the
appropriate licensing board in my state. Of course, he has failed to do so,
most likely because he knows that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after
he does so.
4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's compulsive lies and
libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be sufficient. Pending the
results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in consultation with my attornies, I may
elect to pursue legal action against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy
file of false, libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt,
he will "help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be used
against him.
5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in consideration of
McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological responses which almost always
consist of further lies and libelous false statements about me, this response
is IMHO, quite appropriate.
6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal with McKelvy's
subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and libelous personal attacks
against me.
Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>
>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>>>
>>
>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid responsibility for
>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my credentials, training
>>and professional activities.>
>>
>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing about my
>>credentials, training and professional activities, then laughingly trying to
>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now attempting to
>deny
>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies ? insults the intelligence of
>all
>>RAO readers.
>>
>>His requests for "proof" ? like all his imbecilic grunts and mutterings
>>concerning me ? are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
>>
>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof, his
>>credibility
>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero, Krueger).
>>
>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of Google
>>record,
>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this sociopath's
>imbecilic
>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
>>
>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present the proof for
>>all
>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which it's
>>obviously
>>been inserted for so long.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bruce J. Richman
>>
>
<repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year period by this
pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
For this pathological liar, all false claims about another person's training,
credentials, professional experience, etc. ? are only "opinions" ? a piece of
bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
Here's just one example of his slander:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which this fool,
reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
Note the slanderous title of the post.
Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last line after
quoting the Ethical code.
Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I have ever
committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the title of this
thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven liar to submit any
complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has refused to do
so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted another blatant lie:
"The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as should be
obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
The reference for this is
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
orp.supernews.com
Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's just voiced an
opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist, whose identity is
acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of virtually all
conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger, is *not* an
opinion.
His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are just a few of
many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence presented on Google:
"The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most highly
regarded
doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States (top 10
ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good record in my
Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and perhaps
becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination (Verbal
Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology Acvhievement section,
I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by schools to which
I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks, but I was
wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of the Clinical
Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James Bieri, who basically
said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here, and we're
prepared to make you a nice offfer". That nice offer, which I accepted, turned
out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) Traineeship in Clinical
Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings attached other
than that I meet the academic requirements of the program (maintain a B
average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room & board, books,
etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of my classmates
congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept teaching
assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do was hit the
books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one of my
classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an elite "small Ivy
League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like kindergarten.
Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a Phi
Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League schools or places
like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started the program,
only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only a high degree
of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to deal with the
stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high attrition rate
and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year and had "paid
your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll never forgot one
of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the class and say
"Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can still be a good
citizen""
and the following:
"I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted and completed"
and the followiong:
"After obtaining my doctorate, I was
also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical School, Department of
Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I enjoyed my time
there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr. Joseph Wolpe, a
world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the founders of
Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy now practiced by
most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from pharmacotherapy). "
The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard Ferstler,
another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of libel on RAO (not
surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role model).
The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
b%3Dwg
So McKelvy's slandeous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes are nothing more
than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a proven liar and
libeler.
No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only thing made up are
his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO whenever he continues
to libel me and others.
One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since it happened a
long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps records. And I
challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology Director" of a private
Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The center ran a
30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who were either at
high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such procedures as
cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct the behavioral
component of this intensive program (which also involved dieticians, exercise
physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress management,
smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were among the
targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities was, in
conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program through various
media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in particular stand out
in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in New York City on
a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show" (New Yorkers old
enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base on the 79th
Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's best known talk
show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours being interviewed
very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart Disease". I
remember coming away from that interview thinking that the interviewer was very
sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the radio station (and
I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or WIOD). The name
of the host ? Larry King.
Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any of these facts
with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the diseased empty spaces
composing his deluded cranium.
No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
LOL!!!
(I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed, unbelievably stupid,
delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass himself once again,
it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of himself and
exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he responds with more
bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used, canned response that
perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations, and irrational
behaviors.
Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
(FL PY 2543)
------------------------------------------------------------
I have not read what the compulsive liar, McKelvy has written below.. There is
no need to in order to respond. As pointed out previously, with each daily
addition of more idiotic and psychotic rantings and ravings - essentially as
meaningless as the ones he's posted on the previous day - he simply continues
to provide additional evidence of his desperation, his psychotic thought
processes, and of course, his hatred.
No doubt, he will keep responding with further psychotic blather to this post
as well. This assinine, seriously disturbed cretin corresponds quite closely
to a rat in a Skinner box, who robotically presses a bar to get some food. In
this case, the "bar" (metaphorically speaking) would be the voices in his head
telling him to invent more absurdities whenever he sees my name. The "food"
metaphorically speaking would, of course, be the delusional beliefs that others
are getting his "message".
State tuned for another chapter in the never-ending saga of McKelvy's
"Psychotic Fabrications - My Mission on RAO"
Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
Bruce J. Richman
Michael McKelvy
January 17th 05, 08:52 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: O.T. Phone service
>>From: "Michael McKelvy"
>>Date: 1/17/2005 4:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: t>
>
> In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's continued
> repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that I
> produce
> evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and libeling me on RAO, I
> decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge responsibility
> for his
> despicable behavior with the following response.
>
Snip of another of Bruce's non-responses, they just waste bandwidth and
prove he's crybaby.
That he doesn't understand the difference between opinions and facts has
been amply proven.
That he's a liar has been proven.
That he's a flamer has been proven
That there's nothing of substance to his claims of victimhood have been
proven.
Thanks Bruce
Bruce J. Richman
January 17th 05, 09:40 PM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
<deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google record.
The following response is factual, provable, documented and naturally,
the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for almost
7 years have compoletely destroyed his credibility. His reputation as
RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again during
that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most chronic
posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's continued
repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that I
produce evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and libeling me
on RAO, I decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge
responsibility for his despicable behavior with the following response.
A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April 9, 2004,
which is reproduced below:
1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he initiated
libel thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is worth
noting that he does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his sole
purpose was to libel and defame another person. I chose to ignore this
piece of unprovoked garbage which he initiated. As did every other RAO
poster.
2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the proven
liar and libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the post
reproduced below. It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull**** has
been called and he's been exposed for what most on RAO already have
known him to be for a long time - a hatemongering, bitter, delusional
liar and character assassin whose primary purpose in posting on RAO is
to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false claims and libelous
labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind" (such as it is
in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit his
delusional "complaints" about my professional and ethical behavior
(about which he has admitted he knows nothing - one of the few true
things he has ever said) to the appropriate licensing board in my
state. Of course, he has failed to do so, most likely because he knows
that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after he does so.
4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's compulsive
lies and libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be
sufficient. Pending the results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in
consultation with my attornies, I may elect to pursue legal action
against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy file of false,
libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt, he will
"help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be used
against him.
5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in
consideration of McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological responses
which almost always consist of further lies and libelous false
statements about me, this response is IMHO, quite appropriate.
6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal with
McKelvy's subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and libelous
personal attacks against me.
Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>
>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>>>
>>
>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid
responsibility for
>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my credentials,
training
>>and professional activities.>
>>
>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing about
my
>>credentials, training and professional activities, then laughingly
trying to
>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now attempting
to
>deny
>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies - insults the
intelligence of
>all
>>RAO readers.
>>
>>His requests for "proof" - like all his imbecilic grunts and
mutterings
>>concerning me - are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
>>
>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof, his
>>credibility
>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero, Krueger).
>>
>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of
Google
>>record,
>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this sociopath's
>imbecilic
>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
>>
>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present the
proof for
>>all
>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which it's
>>obviously
>>been inserted for so long.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bruce J. Richman
>>
>
<repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year period by
this
pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
For this pathological liar, all false claims about another person's
training,
credentials, professional experience, etc. - are only "opinions" - a
piece of
bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
Here's just one example of his slander:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which this
fool,
reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
Note the slanderous title of the post.
Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last line
after
quoting the Ethical code.
Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I have
ever
committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the title of
this
thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven liar to
submit any
complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has refused
to do
so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted another
blatant lie:
"The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as should be
obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
The reference for this is
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
orp.supernews.com
Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's just
voiced an
opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist, whose
identity is
acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of
virtually all
conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger, is *not*
an
opinion.
His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are just a
few of
many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence presented on
Google:
"The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most highly
regarded
doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States (top 10
ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good record in
my
Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and
perhaps
becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination (Verbal
Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology Acvhievement
section,
I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by schools
to which
I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks, but I
was
wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of the
Clinical
Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James Bieri, who
basically
said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here, and
we're
prepared to make you a nice offer". That nice offer, which I accepted,
turned
out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) Traineeship in
Clinical
Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings attached
other
than that I meet the academic requirements of the program (maintain a B
average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room & board,
books,
etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of my
classmates
congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept
teaching
assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do was hit
the
books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one of my
classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an elite
"small Ivy
League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like
kindergarten.
Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a Phi
Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League schools or
places
like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started the
program,
only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only a high
degree
of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to deal
with the
stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high attrition
rate
and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year and had
"paid
your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll never
forgot one
of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the class
and say
"Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can still be a
good
citizen""
and the following:
"I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted and
completed"
and the followiong:
"After obtaining my doctorate, I was
also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical School,
Department of
Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I enjoyed
my time
there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr. Joseph
Wolpe, a
world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the founders
of
Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy now
practiced by
most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from pharmacotherapy). "
The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard
Ferstler,
another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of libel on
RAO (not
surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role model).
The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
b%3Dwg
So McKelvy's slanderous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes are
nothing more
than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a proven
liar and
libeler.
No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only thing
made up are
his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO whenever he
continues
to libel me and others.
One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since it
happened a
long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps records.
And I
challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology Director" of a
private
Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The center ran
a
30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who were
either at
high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such procedures
as
cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct the
behavioral
component of this intensive program (which also involved dieticians,
exercise
physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress
management,
smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were among
the
targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities was,
in
conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program through
various
media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in particular
stand out
in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in New York
City on
a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show" (New
Yorkers old
enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base on the
79th
Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's best
known talk
show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours being
interviewed
very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart Disease".
I
remember coming away from that interview thinking that the interviewer
was very
sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the radio
station (and
I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or WIOD).
The name
of the host - Larry King.
Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any of
these facts
with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the diseased empty
spaces
composing his deluded cranium.
No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
LOL!!!
(I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed, unbelievably
stupid,
delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass himself
once again,
it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of himself
and
exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he responds with
more
bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used, canned
response that
perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations, and
irrational
behaviors.
Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
(FL PY 2543)
Michael McKelvy
January 17th 05, 10:07 PM
I guess Bruce plans to bore everybody to death with the following list of
somebody's CV.
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>
>
> <deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
> mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
> insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
>
> For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google record.
>
> The following response is factual, provable, documented and naturally,
> the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
> unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for almost
> 7 years have compoletely destroyed his credibility. His reputation as
> RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again during
> that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most chronic
> posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's continued
> repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that I
> produce evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and libeling me
> on RAO, I decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge
> responsibility for his despicable behavior with the following response.
>
> A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April 9, 2004,
> which is reproduced below:
>
> 1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he initiated
> libel thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is worth
> noting that he does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his sole
> purpose was to libel and defame another person. I chose to ignore this
> piece of unprovoked garbage which he initiated. As did every other RAO
> poster.
>
> 2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the proven
> liar and libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the post
> reproduced below. It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull**** has
> been called and he's been exposed for what most on RAO already have
> known him to be for a long time - a hatemongering, bitter, delusional
> liar and character assassin whose primary purpose in posting on RAO is
> to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false claims and libelous
> labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind" (such as it is
> in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
>
> 3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit his
> delusional "complaints" about my professional and ethical behavior
> (about which he has admitted he knows nothing - one of the few true
> things he has ever said) to the appropriate licensing board in my
> state. Of course, he has failed to do so, most likely because he knows
> that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after he does so.
>
> 4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's compulsive
> lies and libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be
> sufficient. Pending the results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in
> consultation with my attornies, I may elect to pursue legal action
> against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy file of false,
> libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt, he will
> "help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be used
> against him.
>
> 5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in
> consideration of McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological responses
> which almost always consist of further lies and libelous false
> statements about me, this response is IMHO, quite appropriate.
>
> 6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal with
> McKelvy's subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and libelous
> personal attacks against me.
>
>
>
>
> Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>>
>>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>>>>
>>>
>>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid
> responsibility for
>>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my credentials,
> training
>>>and professional activities.>
>>>
>>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing about
> my
>>>credentials, training and professional activities, then laughingly
> trying to
>>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now attempting
> to
>>deny
>>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies - insults the
> intelligence of
>>all
>>>RAO readers.
>>>
>>>His requests for "proof" - like all his imbecilic grunts and
> mutterings
>>>concerning me - are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
>>>
>>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof, his
>>>credibility
>>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero, Krueger).
>>>
>>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of
> Google
>>>record,
>>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this sociopath's
>>imbecilic
>>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
>>>
>>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present the
> proof for
>>>all
>>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which it's
>>>obviously
>>>been inserted for so long.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruce J. Richman
>>>
>>
>
> <repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year period by
> this
> pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
>
> For this pathological liar, all false claims about another person's
> training,
> credentials, professional experience, etc. - are only "opinions" - a
> piece of
> bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
>
> Here's just one example of his slander:
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
> 40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
> Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
>
> Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which this
> fool,
> reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
>
> Note the slanderous title of the post.
>
> Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last line
> after
> quoting the Ethical code.
>
> Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I have
> ever
> committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the title of
> this
> thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
>
> I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven liar to
> submit any
>
> complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has refused
> to do
> so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
>
> This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted another
> blatant lie:
>
>
> "The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as should be
> obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
>
> The reference for this is
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
> orp.supernews.com
>
> Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's just
> voiced an
> opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist, whose
> identity is
>
> acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of
> virtually all
> conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger, is *not*
> an
> opinion.
>
> His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are just a
> few of
> many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
>
> He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence presented on
> Google:
>
> "The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most highly
> regarded
> doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States (top 10
> ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good record in
> my
> Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and
> perhaps
> becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination (Verbal
> Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology Acvhievement
> section,
> I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by schools
> to which
> I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks, but I
> was
> wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of the
> Clinical
> Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James Bieri, who
> basically
> said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here, and
> we're
> prepared to make you a nice offer". That nice offer, which I accepted,
> turned
> out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) Traineeship in
> Clinical
> Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings attached
> other
> than that I meet the academic requirements of the program (maintain a B
> average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room & board,
> books,
> etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of my
> classmates
> congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept
> teaching
> assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do was hit
> the
> books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one of my
> classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an elite
> "small Ivy
> League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like
> kindergarten.
> Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a Phi
> Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League schools or
> places
> like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started the
> program,
> only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only a high
> degree
> of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to deal
> with the
> stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high attrition
> rate
> and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year and had
> "paid
> your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll never
> forgot one
> of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the class
> and say
> "Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can still be a
> good
> citizen""
>
> and the following:
>
> "I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
> Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted and
> completed"
>
> and the followiong:
>
> "After obtaining my doctorate, I was
> also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical School,
> Department of
> Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I enjoyed
> my time
> there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr. Joseph
> Wolpe, a
> world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the founders
> of
> Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy now
> practiced by
> most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from pharmacotherapy). "
>
> The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard
> Ferstler,
> another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of libel on
> RAO (not
> surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role model).
>
> The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
> 19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
> and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
> b%3Dwg
>
> So McKelvy's slanderous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes are
> nothing more
> than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a proven
> liar and
> libeler.
>
> No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only thing
> made up are
> his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO whenever he
> continues
> to libel me and others.
>
> One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since it
> happened a
> long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps records.
> And I
> challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
>
> In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology Director" of a
> private
> Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The center ran
> a
> 30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who were
> either at
> high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such procedures
> as
> cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct the
> behavioral
> component of this intensive program (which also involved dieticians,
> exercise
> physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress
> management,
>
> smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were among
> the
> targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities was,
> in
> conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program through
> various
> media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in particular
> stand out
> in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in New York
> City on
> a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show" (New
> Yorkers old
> enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base on the
> 79th
> Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's best
> known talk
> show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours being
> interviewed
> very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart Disease".
> I
> remember coming away from that interview thinking that the interviewer
> was very
> sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the radio
> station (and
> I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or WIOD).
> The name
> of the host - Larry King.
>
> Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
>
> I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any of
> these facts
> with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the diseased empty
> spaces
> composing his deluded cranium.
>
> No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
>
> LOL!!!
>
> (I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
> accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed, unbelievably
> stupid,
> delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass himself
> once again,
> it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of himself
> and
> exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
>
> Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he responds with
> more
> bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used, canned
> response that
> perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations, and
> irrational
> behaviors.
> Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
> Licensed Psychologist
> (FL PY 2543)
>
Bruce J. Richman
January 17th 05, 10:23 PM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
<deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google record.
The following response is factual, provable, documented and naturally,
the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for almost
7 years have completely destroyed his credibility. His reputation as
RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again during
that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most chronic
posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
>
>
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >
> >
> > <deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
> > mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
> > insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
> >
> > For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google
record.
> >
> > The following response is factual, provable, documented and
naturally,
> > the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
> > unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for
almost
> > 7 years have compoletely destroyed his credibility. His reputation
as
> > RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again
during
> > that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most
chronic
> > posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
> >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's
continued
> > repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that
I
> > produce evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and
libeling me
> > on RAO, I decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge
> > responsibility for his despicable behavior with the following
response.
> >
> > A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April 9,
2004,
> > which is reproduced below:
> >
> > 1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he
initiated
> > libel thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is
worth
> > noting that he does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his
sole
> > purpose was to libel and defame another person. I chose to ignore
this
> > piece of unprovoked garbage which he initiated. As did every other
RAO
> > poster.
> >
> > 2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the
proven
> > liar and libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the post
> > reproduced below. It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull**** has
> > been called and he's been exposed for what most on RAO already have
> > known him to be for a long time - a hatemongering, bitter,
delusional
> > liar and character assassin whose primary purpose in posting on RAO
is
> > to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false claims and
libelous
> > labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind" (such as it
is
> > in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
> >
> > 3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit
his
> > delusional "complaints" about my professional and ethical behavior
> > (about which he has admitted he knows nothing - one of the few true
> > things he has ever said) to the appropriate licensing board in my
> > state. Of course, he has failed to do so, most likely because he
knows
> > that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after he does so.
> >
> > 4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's compulsive
> > lies and libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be
> > sufficient. Pending the results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in
> > consultation with my attornies, I may elect to pursue legal action
> > against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy file of false,
> > libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt, he
will
> > "help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be used
> > against him.
> >
> > 5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in
> > consideration of McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological
responses
> > which almost always consist of further lies and libelous false
> > statements about me, this response is IMHO, quite appropriate.
> >
> > 6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal with
> > McKelvy's subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and libelous
> > personal attacks against me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
> >>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
> >>
> >>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid
> > responsibility for
> >>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my
credentials,
> > training
> >>>and professional activities.>
> >>>
> >>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing
about
> > my
> >>>credentials, training and professional activities, then laughingly
> > trying to
> >>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now
attempting
> > to
> >>deny
> >>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies - insults the
> > intelligence of
> >>all
> >>>RAO readers.
> >>>
> >>>His requests for "proof" - like all his imbecilic grunts and
> > mutterings
> >>>concerning me - are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
> >>>
> >>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof, his
> >>>credibility
> >>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero, Krueger).
> >>>
> >>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of
> > Google
> >>>record,
> >>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this
sociopath's
> >>imbecilic
> >>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
> >>>
> >>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present the
> > proof for
> >>>all
> >>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which
it's
> >>>obviously
> >>>been inserted for so long.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Bruce J. Richman
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > <repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year period
by
> > this
> > pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
> >
> > For this pathological liar, all false claims about another person's
> > training,
> > credentials, professional experience, etc. - are only "opinions" -
a
> > piece of
> > bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
> >
> > Here's just one example of his slander:
> >
> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
> >
40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
> > Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
> >
> > Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which
this
> > fool,
> > reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
> >
> > Note the slanderous title of the post.
> >
> > Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last line
> > after
> > quoting the Ethical code.
> >
> > Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I have
> > ever
> > committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the title
of
> > this
> > thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
> >
> > I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven liar
to
> > submit any
> >
> > complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has
refused
> > to do
> > so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
> >
> > This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted another
> > blatant lie:
> >
> >
> > "The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as should
be
> > obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
> >
> > The reference for this is
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
> > orp.supernews.com
> >
> > Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's
just
> > voiced an
> > opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist, whose
> > identity is
> >
> > acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of
> > virtually all
> > conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger, is
*not*
> > an
> > opinion.
> >
> > His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are
just a
> > few of
> > many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
> >
> > He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence presented
on
> > Google:
> >
> > "The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most
highly
> > regarded
> > doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States (top
10
> > ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good record
in
> > my
> > Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and
> > perhaps
> > becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination
(Verbal
> > Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology
Acvhievement
> > section,
> > I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by
schools
> > to which
> > I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks, but
I
> > was
> > wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of the
> > Clinical
> > Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James Bieri,
who
> > basically
> > said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here, and
> > we're
> > prepared to make you a nice offer". That nice offer, which I
accepted,
> > turned
> > out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) Traineeship
in
> > Clinical
> > Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings
attached
> > other
> > than that I meet the academic requirements of the program (maintain
a B
> > average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room & board,
> > books,
> > etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of my
> > classmates
> > congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept
> > teaching
> > assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do was
hit
> > the
> > books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one of
my
> > classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an elite
> > "small Ivy
> > League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like
> > kindergarten.
> > Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a Phi
> > Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League schools
or
> > places
> > like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started
the
> > program,
> > only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only a
high
> > degree
> > of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to deal
> > with the
> > stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high
attrition
> > rate
> > and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year and
had
> > "paid
> > your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll never
> > forgot one
> > of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the
class
> > and say
> > "Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can still
be a
> > good
> > citizen""
> >
> > and the following:
> >
> > "I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
> > Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted and
> > completed"
> >
> > and the followiong:
> >
> > "After obtaining my doctorate, I was
> > also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical School,
> > Department of
> > Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I
enjoyed
> > my time
> > there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr.
Joseph
> > Wolpe, a
> > world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the
founders
> > of
> > Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy now
> > practiced by
> > most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from pharmacotherapy).
"
> >
> > The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard
> > Ferstler,
> > another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of libel
on
> > RAO (not
> > surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role
model).
> >
> > The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
> >
19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
> >
and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
> > b%3Dwg
> >
> > So McKelvy's slanderous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes are
> > nothing more
> > than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a
proven
> > liar and
> > libeler.
> >
> > No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only thing
> > made up are
> > his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO whenever
he
> > continues
> > to libel me and others.
> >
> > One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since it
> > happened a
> > long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps records.
> > And I
> > challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
> >
> > In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology Director"
of a
> > private
> > Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The center
ran
> > a
> > 30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who were
> > either at
> > high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such
procedures
> > as
> > cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct the
> > behavioral
> > component of this intensive program (which also involved
dieticians,
> > exercise
> > physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress
> > management,
> >
> > smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were
among
> > the
> > targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities
was,
> > in
> > conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program
through
> > various
> > media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in
particular
> > stand out
> > in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in New
York
> > City on
> > a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show" (New
> > Yorkers old
> > enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base on
the
> > 79th
> > Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's
best
> > known talk
> > show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours being
> > interviewed
> > very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart
Disease".
> > I
> > remember coming away from that interview thinking that the
interviewer
> > was very
> > sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the radio
> > station (and
> > I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or WIOD).
> > The name
> > of the host - Larry King.
> >
> > Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
> >
> > I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any of
> > these facts
> > with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the diseased
empty
> > spaces
> > composing his deluded cranium.
> >
> > No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
> >
> > LOL!!!
> >
> > (I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
> > accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed,
unbelievably
> > stupid,
> > delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass himself
> > once again,
> > it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of
himself
> > and
> > exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
> >
> > Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he responds
with
> > more
> > bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used, canned
> > response that
> > perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations, and
> > irrational
> > behaviors.
> > Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
> > Licensed Psychologist
> > (FL PY 2543)
> >
Michael McKelvy
January 17th 05, 11:15 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>
> <deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
> mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
> insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
>
> For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google record.
>
> The following response is factual, provable, documented and naturally,
> the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
> unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for almost
> 7 years have completely destroyed his credibility. His reputation as
> RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again during
> that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most chronic
> posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > <deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
>> > mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
>> > insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
>> >
>> > For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google
> record.
>> >
>> > The following response is factual, provable, documented and
> naturally,
>> > the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
>> > unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for
> almost
>> > 7 years have compoletely destroyed his credibility. His reputation
> as
>> > RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again
> during
>> > that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most
> chronic
>> > posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
>> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's
> continued
>> > repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand" that
> I
>> > produce evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and
> libeling me
>> > on RAO, I decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to dodge
>> > responsibility for his despicable behavior with the following
> response.
>> >
>> > A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April 9,
> 2004,
>> > which is reproduced below:
>> >
>> > 1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he
> initiated
>> > libel thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is
> worth
>> > noting that he does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his
> sole
>> > purpose was to libel and defame another person. I chose to ignore
> this
>> > piece of unprovoked garbage which he initiated. As did every other
> RAO
>> > poster.
>> >
>> > 2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the
> proven
>> > liar and libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the post
>> > reproduced below. It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull**** has
>> > been called and he's been exposed for what most on RAO already have
>> > known him to be for a long time - a hatemongering, bitter,
> delusional
>> > liar and character assassin whose primary purpose in posting on RAO
> is
>> > to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false claims and
> libelous
>> > labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind" (such as it
> is
>> > in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
>> >
>> > 3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit
> his
>> > delusional "complaints" about my professional and ethical behavior
>> > (about which he has admitted he knows nothing - one of the few true
>> > things he has ever said) to the appropriate licensing board in my
>> > state. Of course, he has failed to do so, most likely because he
> knows
>> > that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after he does so.
>> >
>> > 4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's compulsive
>> > lies and libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be
>> > sufficient. Pending the results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in
>> > consultation with my attornies, I may elect to pursue legal action
>> > against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy file of false,
>> > libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt, he
> will
>> > "help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be used
>> > against him.
>> >
>> > 5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in
>> > consideration of McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological
> responses
>> > which almost always consist of further lies and libelous false
>> > statements about me, this response is IMHO, quite appropriate.
>> >
>> > 6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal with
>> > McKelvy's subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and libelous
>> > personal attacks against me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
>> >>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>> >>
>> >>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid
>> > responsibility for
>> >>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my
> credentials,
>> > training
>> >>>and professional activities.>
>> >>>
>> >>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing
> about
>> > my
>> >>>credentials, training and professional activities, then laughingly
>> > trying to
>> >>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now
> attempting
>> > to
>> >>deny
>> >>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies - insults the
>> > intelligence of
>> >>all
>> >>>RAO readers.
>> >>>
>> >>>His requests for "proof" - like all his imbecilic grunts and
>> > mutterings
>> >>>concerning me - are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
>> >>>
>> >>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof, his
>> >>>credibility
>> >>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero, Krueger).
>> >>>
>> >>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of
>> > Google
>> >>>record,
>> >>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this
> sociopath's
>> >>imbecilic
>> >>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
>> >>>
>> >>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present the
>> > proof for
>> >>>all
>> >>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which
> it's
>> >>>obviously
>> >>>been inserted for so long.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Bruce J. Richman
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> > <repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year period
> by
>> > this
>> > pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
>> >
>> > For this pathological liar, all false claims about another person's
>> > training,
>> > credentials, professional experience, etc. - are only "opinions" -
> a
>> > piece of
>> > bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
>> >
>> > Here's just one example of his slander:
>> >
>> >
>> >
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
>> >
> 40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
>> > Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
>> >
>> > Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which
> this
>> > fool,
>> > reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
>> >
>> > Note the slanderous title of the post.
>> >
>> > Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last line
>> > after
>> > quoting the Ethical code.
>> >
>> > Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I have
>> > ever
>> > committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the title
> of
>> > this
>> > thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
>> >
>> > I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven liar
> to
>> > submit any
>> >
>> > complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has
> refused
>> > to do
>> > so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
>> >
>> > This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted another
>> > blatant lie:
>> >
>> >
>> > "The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as should
> be
>> > obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
>> >
>> > The reference for this is
>> >
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
>> > orp.supernews.com
>> >
>> > Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's
> just
>> > voiced an
>> > opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist, whose
>> > identity is
>> >
>> > acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of
>> > virtually all
>> > conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger, is
> *not*
>> > an
>> > opinion.
>> >
>> > His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are
> just a
>> > few of
>> > many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
>> >
>> > He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence presented
> on
>> > Google:
>> >
>> > "The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most
> highly
>> > regarded
>> > doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States (top
> 10
>> > ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good record
> in
>> > my
>> > Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and
>> > perhaps
>> > becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination
> (Verbal
>> > Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology
> Acvhievement
>> > section,
>> > I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by
> schools
>> > to which
>> > I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks, but
> I
>> > was
>> > wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of the
>> > Clinical
>> > Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James Bieri,
> who
>> > basically
>> > said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here, and
>> > we're
>> > prepared to make you a nice offer". That nice offer, which I
> accepted,
>> > turned
>> > out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) Traineeship
> in
>> > Clinical
>> > Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings
> attached
>> > other
>> > than that I meet the academic requirements of the program (maintain
> a B
>> > average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room & board,
>> > books,
>> > etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of my
>> > classmates
>> > congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept
>> > teaching
>> > assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do was
> hit
>> > the
>> > books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one of
> my
>> > classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an elite
>> > "small Ivy
>> > League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like
>> > kindergarten.
>> > Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a Phi
>> > Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League schools
> or
>> > places
>> > like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started
> the
>> > program,
>> > only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only a
> high
>> > degree
>> > of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to deal
>> > with the
>> > stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high
> attrition
>> > rate
>> > and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year and
> had
>> > "paid
>> > your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll never
>> > forgot one
>> > of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the
> class
>> > and say
>> > "Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can still
> be a
>> > good
>> > citizen""
>> >
>> > and the following:
>> >
>> > "I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
>> > Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted and
>> > completed"
>> >
>> > and the followiong:
>> >
>> > "After obtaining my doctorate, I was
>> > also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical School,
>> > Department of
>> > Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I
> enjoyed
>> > my time
>> > there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr.
> Joseph
>> > Wolpe, a
>> > world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the
> founders
>> > of
>> > Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy now
>> > practiced by
>> > most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from pharmacotherapy).
> "
>> >
>> > The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard
>> > Ferstler,
>> > another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of libel
> on
>> > RAO (not
>> > surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role
> model).
>> >
>> > The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
>> >
>> >
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
>> >
> 19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
>> >
> and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
>> > b%3Dwg
>> >
>> > So McKelvy's slanderous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes are
>> > nothing more
>> > than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a
> proven
>> > liar and
>> > libeler.
>> >
>> > No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only thing
>> > made up are
>> > his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO whenever
> he
>> > continues
>> > to libel me and others.
>> >
>> > One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since it
>> > happened a
>> > long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps records.
>> > And I
>> > challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
>> >
>> > In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology Director"
> of a
>> > private
>> > Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The center
> ran
>> > a
>> > 30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who were
>> > either at
>> > high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such
> procedures
>> > as
>> > cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct the
>> > behavioral
>> > component of this intensive program (which also involved
> dieticians,
>> > exercise
>> > physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress
>> > management,
>> >
>> > smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were
> among
>> > the
>> > targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities
> was,
>> > in
>> > conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program
> through
>> > various
>> > media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in
> particular
>> > stand out
>> > in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in New
> York
>> > City on
>> > a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show" (New
>> > Yorkers old
>> > enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base on
> the
>> > 79th
>> > Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's
> best
>> > known talk
>> > show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours being
>> > interviewed
>> > very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart
> Disease".
>> > I
>> > remember coming away from that interview thinking that the
> interviewer
>> > was very
>> > sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the radio
>> > station (and
>> > I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or WIOD).
>> > The name
>> > of the host - Larry King.
>> >
>> > Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
>> >
>> > I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any of
>> > these facts
>> > with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the diseased
> empty
>> > spaces
>> > composing his deluded cranium.
>> >
>> > No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
>> >
>> > LOL!!!
>> >
>> > (I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
>> > accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed,
> unbelievably
>> > stupid,
>> > delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass himself
>> > once again,
>> > it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of
> himself
>> > and
>> > exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
>> >
>> > Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he responds
> with
>> > more
>> > bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used, canned
>> > response that
>> > perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations, and
>> > irrational
>> > behaviors.
>> > Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
>> > Licensed Psychologist
>> > (FL PY 2543)
>> >
>
None of the above proves that you are the person to whom those credentials
belong.
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 04:14 AM
Michael McKelvy wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >
> > <deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
> > mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
> > insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
> >
> > For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google
record.
> >
> > The following response is factual, provable, documented and
naturally,
> > the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
> > unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for
almost
> > 7 years have completely destroyed his credibility. His reputation
as
> > RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again
during
> > that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most
chronic
> > posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Michael McKelvy wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of
history
> >> > mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications
which
> >> > insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
> >> >
> >> > For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google
> > record.
> >> >
> >> > The following response is factual, provable, documented and
> > naturally,
> >> > the type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but
> >> > unsuccessfully. His repetition of the same false statements for
> > almost
> >> > 7 years have compoletely destroyed his credibility. His
reputation
> > as
> >> > RAO's most stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again
> > during
> >> > that period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most
> > chronic
> >> > posters of libel and lies has also been proven over and over
again.
> >> >
> >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > In response to proven libeler and pathological liar McKelvy's
> > continued
> >> > repetition of false claims, coupled with a laughable "demand"
that
> > I
> >> > produce evidence that he has a lengthy history of lying and
> > libeling me
> >> > on RAO, I decided to call this cretin's pathetic attempts to
dodge
> >> > responsibility for his despicable behavior with the following
> > response.
> >> >
> >> > A couple of observations, should be added re. my post of April
9,
> > 2004,
> >> > which is reproduced below:
> >> >
> >> > 1. In the first example of libel by McKelvy which I cite, he
> > initiated
> >> > libel thread with the title "Richman's ethical lapses". It is
> > worth
> >> > noting that he does not and CAN NOT list any. So obviously, his
> > sole
> >> > purpose was to libel and defame another person. I chose to
ignore
> > this
> >> > piece of unprovoked garbage which he initiated. As did every
other
> > RAO
> >> > poster.
> >> >
> >> > 2. As of the time of this writing, 4:00 PM EST on 4/10/04, the
> > proven
> >> > liar and libeler Mckelvy has failed to respond directly to the
post
> >> > reproduced below. It is obvious that his latest bluff/bull****
has
> >> > been called and he's been exposed for what most on RAO already
have
> >> > known him to be for a long time - a hatemongering, bitter,
> > delusional
> >> > liar and character assassin whose primary purpose in posting on
RAO
> > is
> >> > to smear others with whatever lies, libelous false claims and
> > libelous
> >> > labels of other people his diseased, delusional "mind" (such as
it
> > is
> >> > in its primitive state) can regurgitate.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Proven liar and libeler McKelvy has been challenged to submit
> > his
> >> > delusional "complaints" about my professional and ethical
behavior
> >> > (about which he has admitted he knows nothing - one of the few
true
> >> > things he has ever said) to the appropriate licensing board in
my
> >> > state. Of course, he has failed to do so, most likely because
he
> > knows
> >> > that he's full of it, and will be sued by me after he does so.
> >> >
> >> > 4. I could have provided many more examples of McKelvy's
compulsive
> >> > lies and libels against me, but felt that for now, 2 would be
> >> > sufficient. Pending the results of Mr. Wheeler's case, and in
> >> > consultation with my attornies, I may elect to pursue legal
action
> >> > against him and use a quite impressive and lengthy file of
false,
> >> > libelous claims he has made against me as evidence. No doubt,
he
> > will
> >> > "help" by continuing to provide further evidence that can be
used
> >> > against him.
> >> >
> >> > 5. I apologize for the lengfh of this post in advance, but in
> >> > consideration of McKelvy's obvious compulsive, pathological
> > responses
> >> > which almost always consist of further lies and libelous false
> >> > statements about me, this response is IMHO, quite appropriate.
> >> >
> >> > 6. This response will be the one used in the future to deal
with
> >> > McKelvy's subsequent sociopathic, delusional, false, and
libelous
> >> > personal attacks against me.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mike McKelvy continues to avoid providing proof of his slander:
> >> >>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
> >> >>
> >> >>>Mike McKelvy wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>><deletion of further lies in which McKelvy tries to avoid
> >> > responsibility for
> >> >>>lengthy history of lying and committing slander re. my
> > credentials,
> >> > training
> >> >>>and professional activities.>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>This despicable scumbag, after first admitting he knows nothing
> > about
> >> > my
> >> >>>credentials, training and professional activities, then
laughingly
> >> > trying to
> >> >>>claim his slanderous bull**** was merely opinions, and now
> > attempting
> >> > to
> >> >>deny
> >> >>>all responsibility for his ridiculous lies - insults the
> >> > intelligence of
> >> >>all
> >> >>>RAO readers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>His requests for "proof" - like all his imbecilic grunts and
> >> > mutterings
> >> >>>concerning me - are a joke. As is his very RAO existence.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>While he continue to deny slandering me, and requesting proof,
his
> >> >>>credibility
> >> >>>remains zero (except perhaps, in the eyes of his hero,
Krueger).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>His false claims re. my professional background are a matter of
> >> > Google
> >> >>>record,
> >> >>>and virtually all RAO readers at all familiar with this
> > sociopath's
> >> >>imbecilic
> >> >>>bull**** re. my background know this to be the case.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Since he's been purveying lies about me, he needs to present
the
> >> > proof for
> >> >>>all
> >> >>>his nonsense, or stick his head further up the orifice in which
> > it's
> >> >>>obviously
> >> >>>been inserted for so long.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Bruce J. Richman
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > <repetitive bull**** similar to that pruveyed over a 6 year
period
> > by
> >> > this
> >> > pathological liar and proven slanderer deleted>
> >> >
> >> > For this pathological liar, all false claims about another
person's
> >> > training,
> >> > credentials, professional experience, etc. - are only "opinions"
-
> > a
> >> > piece of
> >> > bull**** nobody other than this lying cretin believes.
> >> >
> >> > Here's just one example of his slander:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&threadm=vthbp0ffk2j625%
> >> >
> >
40corp.supernews.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DMcKelvy%2Band%2Blicensing%2
> >> > Bboard%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26t ab%3Dwg
> >> >
> >> > Note that this was an attack thread started by McKelvy, in which
> > this
> >> > fool,
> >> > reproduces the Ethical Code followed by psychologists.
> >> >
> >> > Note the slanderous title of the post.
> >> >
> >> > Note also the question, this proven slanderer asks in the last
line
> >> > after
> >> > quoting the Ethical code.
> >> >
> >> > Needless to say, this pathological liar has no evidence that I
have
> >> > ever
> >> > committed any ethics violations, and in fact his use of the
title
> > of
> >> > this
> >> > thread, to which nobody responded, constitutes slander.
> >> >
> >> > I have directly challenged this despicable cretin and proven
liar
> > to
> >> > submit any
> >> >
> >> > complaints he has to the Florida State Licensing Board. He has
> > refused
> >> > to do
> >> > so, because he knows he's been lying about me for 6 years.
> >> >
> >> > This fool, in a conversation with Scott Wheeler commiitted
another
> >> > blatant lie:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "The person claiming to be B.J. Richman, a Ph.D is a fake as
should
> > be
> >> > obvious to anybody with more than 2 active neurons."
> >> >
> >> > The reference for this is
> >> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=vtg1igk0458h89%40c
> >> > orp.supernews.com
> >> >
> >> > Now, no doubt, proven liar and slanderer McKelvy will claim he's
> > just
> >> > voiced an
> >> > opinion, but defamation and libel of a licensed psychologist,
whose
> >> > identity is
> >> >
> >> > acknowledged and has been proven on RAO to the satisfaction of
> >> > virtually all
> >> > conscious lifeforms with the exception of McKelvy and Krueger,
is
> > *not*
> >> > an
> >> > opinion.
> >> >
> >> > His lies are a matter of public record, and these 2 examples are
> > just a
> >> > few of
> >> > many that could be easily obtained from the Google record.
> >> >
> >> > He has also deliberately ignored the following evidence
presented
> > on
> >> > Google:
> >> >
> >> > "The University of Texas at Austin, has long had one of the most
> > highly
> >> > regarded
> >> > doctoral programs in Clinical Psychology in the United States
(top
> > 10
> >> > ranking). Since I had the good fortune to have a very good
record
> > in
> >> > my
> >> > Master's propgram at Clinical Psychology at Boston College,l and
> >> > perhaps
> >> > becauise I hit the 99th %ile on the Graduate Record Examination
> > (Verbal
> >> > Portion) and the 99th %ile examination on the Psychology
> > Acvhievement
> >> > section,
> >> > I had the rather odd experience of being actively recruited by
> > schools
> >> > to which
> >> > I applied. (I had always thought this just happened to jocks,
but
> > I
> >> > was
> >> > wrong). One unforgettable day, I got a call from the head of
the
> >> > Clinical
> >> > Psychology program at the University of Texas, a Dr. James
Bieri,
> > who
> >> > basically
> >> > said "We've seen your application, we'd like you to come here,
and
> >> > we're
> >> > prepared to make you a nice offer". That nice offer, which I
> > accepted,
> >> > turned
> >> > out to be a NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health)
Traineeship
> > in
> >> > Clinical
> >> > Psychology, for an unlimited period of time, with no strings
> > attached
> >> > other
> >> > than that I meet the academic requirements of the program
(maintain
> > a B
> >> > average).. It took care of all my expenses (tuition, room &
board,
> >> > books,
> >> > etc.) and gave me s small stipend to live on as well. Some of
my
> >> > classmates
> >> > congratulated me on my good fortune (many of them had to accept
> >> > teaching
> >> > assistantships to help pay their bills, while all I had to do
was
> > hit
> >> > the
> >> > books). The program turned out to be a real meatgrinder (as one
of
> > my
> >> > classmates put it). It made my undergraduate program at an
elite
> >> > "small Ivy
> >> > League school" (Bowdoin College) and my M.A. program seem like
> >> > kindergarten.
> >> > Almost everybody in my entering class of about 20 had either a
Phi
> >> > Beta Kappa key, was published and or came from Ivy League
schools
> > or
> >> > places
> >> > like U. of Chicago, Stanford or Berkeley. Of the 20 who started
> > the
> >> > program,
> >> > only 5 of us survived and got our doctorates. It took not only
a
> > high
> >> > degree
> >> > of intelligence and perserverance, but also a large ability to
deal
> >> > with the
> >> > stress of knowing that you were in a program with a very high
> > attrition
> >> > rate
> >> > and some professors, who frankly, until you got to the 2nd year
and
> > had
> >> > "paid
> >> > your dues", didn't give a damn if you survived or not. I'll
never
> >> > forgot one
> >> > of my Statistics professors who used to get up in front of the
> > class
> >> > and say
> >> > "Even if you don't make it through graduate school, you can
still
> > be a
> >> > good
> >> > citizen""
> >> >
> >> > and the following:
> >> >
> >> > "I was accepted for an Internship in Clnical
> >> > Psycnology at Massachusetts General Hospital, which I accepted
and
> >> > completed"
> >> >
> >> > and the followiong:
> >> >
> >> > "After obtaining my doctorate, I was
> >> > also accepted for postdoctoral training at Temple Medical
School,
> >> > Department of
> >> > Psychiary, Institute for Behavior Therapy, in Philadelphia. I
> > enjoyed
> >> > my time
> >> > there had learned a lot under the supervision of the late Dr.
> > Joseph
> >> > Wolpe, a
> >> > world famous psychiatrist who is considered to be one of the
> > founders
> >> > of
> >> > Cognitive?Behavioral Therapy, the predominant type of therapy
now
> >> > practiced by
> >> > most psychologists and psychiatrists (aside from
pharmacotherapy).
> > "
> >> >
> >> > The above quotes are from a post written in response to Howard
> >> > Ferstler,
> >> > another well known zealot, pathological liar, and purveyor of
libel
> > on
> >> > RAO (not
> >> > surprisingly, frequently defended by Krueger, McKelvy's role
> > model).
> >> >
> >> > The complete post (and thread) can be referened at:
> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF?8&selm=20030203225629.076
> >> >
> >
19.00000418%40mb?mg.aol.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFerstler%2Band%2BRichman%2B
> >> >
> >
and%2BUniversity%2Bof%2BTexas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26 ie%3DUTF?8%26sa%3DN%26ta
> >> > b%3Dwg
> >> >
> >> > So McKelvy's slanderous claims about quacks, frauds, and fakes
are
> >> > nothing more
> >> > than the delusional, sociopathic rantings and repetitions of a
> > proven
> >> > liar and
> >> > libeler.
> >> >
> >> > No doubt he will claim that this is all made up, but the only
thing
> >> > made up are
> >> > his nonsensical departures from reality which pollute RAO
whenever
> > he
> >> > continues
> >> > to libel me and others.
> >> >
> >> > One further fact, which I may or may not be able to prove since
it
> >> > happened a
> >> > long time ago, and I don't know if the radio station keeps
records.
> >> > And I
> >> > challenge the cretin and liar, McKelvy, to disprove it ? LOL! :
> >> >
> >> > In about 1976 or 1977, I was employed as the "Psychology
Director"
> > of a
> >> > private
> >> > Cardiac Rehabilitation Center based in Miami, Florida. The
center
> > ran
> >> > a
> >> > 30?day, interdisciplinary inpatient program for patients who
were
> >> > either at
> >> > high risk for cardiac disease or had already undergone such
> > procedures
> >> > as
> >> > cardiac bypass surgery. My main responsibility was to direct
the
> >> > behavioral
> >> > component of this intensive program (which also involved
> > dieticians,
> >> > exercise
> >> > physiologists, cardiologists, and RNs). Areas such as stress
> >> > management,
> >> >
> >> > smoking cessation, behavioral approaches to obesity, etc. were
> > among
> >> > the
> >> > targets that I had to address. One of my other responsibilities
> > was,
> >> > in
> >> > conjunction with the medical director, to promote the program
> > through
> >> > various
> >> > media appearances in both TV and radio. Two interviews in
> > particular
> >> > stand out
> >> > in my mind. The first came in the wee hours of the morning in
New
> > York
> >> > City on
> >> > a nationally syndicated program ? "The Long John Nebel Show"
(New
> >> > Yorkers old
> >> > enough may remember this). The second occurred in my home base
on
> > the
> >> > 79th
> >> > Street Causeway in Miami Beach at a radio station where Miami's
> > best
> >> > known talk
> >> > show host (at the time) was carrying forth ? I spent 2 hours
being
> >> > interviewed
> >> > very incisively on the main topic which was "Stress and Heart
> > Disease".
> >> > I
> >> > remember coming away from that interview thinking that the
> > interviewer
> >> > was very
> >> > sharp and well prepared to really grill me. The name of the
radio
> >> > station (and
> >> > I'm relying on long ago recall was, I believe either WKAT or
WIOD).
> >> > The name
> >> > of the host - Larry King.
> >> >
> >> > Shortly thereafter, Larry left Miami and the rest is history.
> >> >
> >> > I challenge the proven liar, and libeler, McKelvy to dispute any
of
> >> > these facts
> >> > with any factual evidence he cares to fabricate from the
diseased
> > empty
> >> > spaces
> >> > composing his deluded cranium.
> >> >
> >> > No doubt he will choose to delete most of this post instead.
> >> >
> >> > LOL!!!
> >> >
> >> > (I apologize for appearing to be bragging about past or present
> >> > accomplishments, but since this despicable, loudmouthed,
> > unbelievably
> >> > stupid,
> >> > delusional, libeler and liar decided to completely embarass
himself
> >> > once again,
> >> > it was just too tempting to not assist him in making a fool of
> > himself
> >> > and
> >> > exposing his sociopathic behavior once again).
> >> >
> >> > Nothing more needs to be said about his lies, so when he
responds
> > with
> >> > more
> >> > bull****, I will respond with a standard, previously used,
canned
> >> > response that
> >> > perfectly describes this moron's basic character, motivations,
and
> >> > irrational
> >> > behaviors.
> >> > Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
> >> > Licensed Psychologist
> >> > (FL PY 2543)
> >> >
> >
>
<deletion of McKelvy's repetitious lies and distortions of history
mandated by desire to spare RAO readers from his fabrications which
insult the intelligence of all RAO readers>
For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google record.
The reponse above is factual, provable, documented and naturally, the
type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but unsuccessfully.
His repetition of the same false statements for almost 7 years have
completely destroyed his credibility. His reputation as RAO's most
stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again during that
period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most chronic posters
of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
Michael McKelvy
January 18th 05, 06:15 AM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google record.
>
> The reponse above is factual, provable, documented and naturally, the
> type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but unsuccessfully.
I don't deny they belong to Dr. Richman.
I don't deny you MIGHT be him.
I just don't accept that the evidence you repitiously post, psrove that thos
credentials belong to the person who keeps posting it
It's an opinion I get to have.
> His repetition of the same false statements for almost 7 years have
> completely destroyed his credibility.
His reputation as RAO's most
> stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again during that
> period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most chronic posters
> of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
>
Pot meet kettle.
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 06:53 AM
I have not read what the compulsive liar, McKelvy has written below.. There is
no need to in order to respond. As pointed out previously, with each daily
addition of more idiotic and delusional rantings and ravings -essentially as
meaningless as the ones he's posted on the previous day - he simply continues
to provide additional evidence of his desperation, his delusional thoughts
, and of course, his hatred.
No doubt, he will keep responding with further delujsional blather to this
post
as well. This assinine, seriously disturbed cretin corresponds quite closely
to a rat in a Skinner box, who robotically presses a bar to get some food. In
this case, the "bar" (metaphorically speaking) would be the voices in his head
telling him to invent more absurdities whenever he sees my name. The "food"
metaphorically speaking would, of course, be the delusional beliefs that others
are getting his "message".
State tuned for another chapter in the never-ending saga of McKelvy's
"Delusional Fabrications - My Mission on RAO"
>Subject: Re: O.T. Phone service
>From: "Michael McKelvy"
>Date: 1/18/2005 1:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>
>> For proof of his lies and fabrications, just read the Google record.
>>
>> The reponse above is factual, provable, documented and naturally, the
>> type of information that McKelvy will try to deny, but unsuccessfully.
>
>I don't deny they belong to Dr. Richman.
>I don't deny you MIGHT be him.
>I just don't accept that the evidence you repitiously post, psrove that thos
>credentials belong to the person who keeps posting it
>
>It's an opinion I get to have.
>
>
>> His repetition of the same false statements for almost 7 years have
>> completely destroyed his credibility.
> His reputation as RAO's most
>> stupid poster has been confirmed over and over again during that
>> period. Similarly, his reputation as one of RAO's most chronic posters
>> of libel and lies has also been proven over and over again.
>>
>Pot meet kettle.
>
>
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 05:16 PM
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
<snipped>
>
> "Delusional Fabrications - My Mission on RAO"
>
>
Confession is good for the soul, Brucie. ;-)
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 06:08 PM
wrote:
>:
>
> <snipped>
>
> >
> > "Delusional Fabrications - My Mission on RAO"
> >
> >
>
An anonymous idiot named "Torresists" advertises his reason for being
on RAO.
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 09:12 PM
Paul Dormer wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" emitted :
>
> >>>Very true. I mentioned that I've seen extensive oral surgery
performed
> >>>under hypnosis with no pain reactions by the patient. Also, it's
well
> >>>known that women have given birth under hypnosis with no
anaesthesia
> >>>and no evidence of pain being experienced.
> >>
> >>Also, there are various proponents of self-induced pain, including
> >>folk who suspend themselves from meathooks for laughs. I'm not
> >>suggesting Mikey should be hung from a meathook but......... ;-)
> >>
> >
> >Do you remember the famous scene from "On the Waterfront"? :-).
Perhaps if
> >the decide do a modernized version, they'll consider him.
> >
> >Speaking of self-induced pain, there are also people who walk on
coals, lie on
> >beds of nails, etc. The mind-body connectin can be very strong.
>
> Eggzactamondo!
>
> >>>Hypnosis is not designed to deal with the *cause* of the pain, but
> >>>rather some of the major contributing factors such as muscular
> >>>contractions that often arise from underlying conditions and cause
> >>>pain. And of course, there is also a cerfain amount of expectancy
> >>>involved with chronic pain patients. Hypnosis can work on this
mental
> >>>component and train a person to expect a a different outcome from
the
> >>>underlying biological condition.
> >>>
> >>>Biofeedback training in which a person is trained to relax muscle
> >>>groups, for example, has also been used quite frequently in the
> >>>treatment of back pain, tension headaches, and many other
conditions.
> >>
> >>My last experience of biological feedback involved a stethoscope
which
> >>I purchased from a vet. Freaked myself out!! :-)
> >>
> >
> >LOL ! That'snot quite what I had in mind. :-). When I was in high
school and
> >part of adolescent teenage smartasses that sometimes did sick jokes,
we had a
> >physics teacher who was hard of hearing, and wore a hearing aid with
a rather
> >large hearing device in his shirt pocket. (Hearing aids didn't used
to be
> >miniaturized and one piece). This teacher was also quite a dork -
he had no
> >sense of humor and often bored us with his complaints about
everything.
> >Anyhow, by prior arrangement, we decided to teach him a liesson.
One day, he
> >came into class and asked various students questions, we all moved
our lips but
> >didn't say anything. After a while, he figured his heaing aid
wasn't working
> >correctly, so he turned the volume way up. You can guess what
happened the
> >next time he asked a question ! :)
>
> Have you seen the Fawlty Towers episode "Communication Problems"? You
> and Basil have something in common there... :-)
>
I know Fawlty Towers has been shown on American TV, but for some reason
I've never watched it. It sounds like I should. My all-time favorite
British comedy show is Monty Python. And for pure slapstick silliness,
Benny Hill, of course.
> >Your story reminded me of that.
> >
> >Personally, if I'm going to listen to heart beats, I only want it to
be on an
> >audiophile version of Dark Side of the Moon. :-)
>
> Less likey to induce arrhythmia... that's fer sure! ;-)
>
>
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Bruce J. Richman
Michael McKelvy
January 18th 05, 09:47 PM
"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
>I have not read what the compulsive liar, McKelvy has written below.. .
Because the truth doesn't serve you and your ridiculous claims.
Here's waht Bruce was so afraid to read.
>>Pot meet kettle.
>>
>>
>
>
> Bruce J. Richman
>
>
>
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 09:49 PM
Paul Dormer wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" emitted :
>
> >>>Well, at least you were open-minded enough and curious enough to
> >>>investigate some non-chemical treatment options. I'm not
suggesting
> >>>that pain is purely psychological, but it's long been known that a
> >>>specific person's perception of pain and their ability to tolerate
it
> >>>can be significantly influenced by psychological factors.
> >>
> >>Makes sense. The worst thing you can do with pain is try to "fight"
> >>it. As it happens, I have R2-3 nerve damage aka Meralgia
parenthetica.
> >>Having previously learned various relaxtion (inclduing self
hypnosis)
> >>and breathing techniques, I'd have to say they are useful in
managing
> >>pain without chemicals. YMMV.
> >>
> >
> >Part of my practice involves teaching people how to relax. Ond of
the most
> >potent methods I use is progrressive muscular relaxation training,
which is
> >very similar to hypnotc relaxation inductions. It innvolves
breathing
> >exercises as well. Also very kinds of visual imagery that people
can associate
> >with being relaxed.
> >
> >These procedures are not only use with pain problems, but also,
obviously, with
> >many anxiety-based disorders, such as phobias, psychogenic sexual
disorders
> >involving performance anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, etc.
> >
> >('ve also been trained in hypnosis and sometimes use it with well
motivated
> >patients.
>
> The main problem with Restless Leg syndrome (the condition relating
to
> my hypnotherapy sessions) is the frustration of it. The best way I
can
> describe it is it's a bit like the sensation you get in a muscle when
> it's aching after a long day and you want to contract or stretch it
> for relief.. but doing so makes no difference - the sensation returns
> after a few seconds. It can prevent sleep completely, and is so
> annoying that I have been known to give my leg a good few thumps to
> numb it ;-) [This is a surprisingly common trait amongst people
who've
> had experience of RLS.] Relaxation techniques help to manage and ride
> out the stress, without resorting to chemicals. McKelvy would be
> advised to look into some of these techniques, as the pain and
> frustration and agitation he experiences is apparent in many of his
> posts.
>
>
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I'm a little bit familiar with the syndrome, which is also called
nocturnal myoclonus. I used to suffer from sleep apnea, so several
years ago, I was evaluated in a Sleep Disorder Center overnight. One
of the things they tested for while I was attempting to sleep was
nocturnal myoclonus. They confirmed the obstructive apnea problem, and
I subsequently had some fairly delicate nose & throat surgery to
correct it. (Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty, repair of deviated septum,
removal of tonsils which had grown back, and turbinate removal). Lots
of pain after these operations, and I had to eat nothing but soup for a
month, but it was worth it.
While some of McKelvy's hostility towards others may be partially due
to his medical problems, most of it is psychogenic in my judgment. I
also seriously doubt that he would consider alternative treatment
methods, given his tunnel vision and dogmatism on so many subjects, as
reflected on RAO.
I'm glad to hear that some non-chemical methods helped you out. There
has been an increasing and alarming trend, assisted by the
pharmaceutical industry, for Americans to try and get quick fixes for
just about everything by popping pills. While medication certainly has
its legitimate uses, I have yet to see any medication that can change
the types of thoughts that a person has that in turn generate such
negative emotions as depression, anger, jealousy, etc. Symptom relief
is *not* a cure or basic change in many cases, and that is all that
many medications can provide.
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 10:15 PM
I have not read what the compulsive liar, McKelvy has written below.. There is
no need to in order to respond. As pointed out previously, with each daily
addition of more idiotic and delusional rantings and ravings ? essentially as
meaningless as the ones he's posted on the previous day ? he simply continues
to provide additional evidence of his desperation, his delusional thought
processes, and of course, his hatred.
No doubt, he will keep responding with further delusional blather to this post
as well. This assinine, seriously disturbed cretin corresponds quite closely
to a rat in a Skinner box, who robotically presses a bar to get some food. In
this case, the "bar" (metaphorically speaking) would be the voices in his head
telling him to invent more absurdities whenever he sees my name. The "food"
metaphorically speaking would, of course, be the delusional beliefs that others
are getting his "message".
State tuned for another chapter in the never?ending saga of McKelvy's
"Delusional Fabrications - My Mission on RAO"
>Date: 1/18/2005 4:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: t>
>
>
>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
>>I have not read what the compulsive liar, McKelvy has written below.. .
>
>Because the truth doesn't serve you and your ridiculous claims.
>
>
>
>Here's waht Bruce was so afraid to read.
>
>>>Pot meet kettle.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce J. Richman
>>
>>
>>
Bruce J. Richman
Bruce J. Richman
January 18th 05, 11:03 PM
Paul Dormer wrote:
> "Bruce J. Richman" emitted :
>
> >I know Fawlty Towers has been shown on American TV, but for some
reason
> >I've never watched it. It sounds like I should. My all-time
favorite
> >British comedy show is Monty Python.
>
> Hasn't dated that well.. but still...
>
I just think that both the writing and acting on that show were
exceptional. YMMV.
Do you remember the "Lumberjack Song"?
> [Watch Fawlty Towers... I command thee!]
>
> >And for pure slapstick silliness,
> >Benny Hill, of course.
>
> For shame!! ;) Some UK comedy I'd recommend on DVD :
>
> The Office
> People Like Us
> Jam/Jaaaaaaam
> The Day Today
> Monkey Dust
> Father Ted
> Brass Eye
>
> The first two are *essential* IMO.. :-)
>
>
OK, I'll check these out. Thanks.
While these are also from the past, have they shown Second City
Television in the UK (which featured John Candy, Martin Short, Eugene
Levy, the father in the American Pie movies, and others). How about
Seinfeld?
One of the more devilish comedy programs now on American TV is called
Crank Yankers. In this show, in which the characters are played by
puppets, calls are made to real people by comedians posing as the
characters on the show. You'd have to see it to believe some of the
stuff, but the dialogue is pretty wild !! Among the characrers are
Special Ed, a retarded teenager, Birchum, a Viet Nam veteran, Camie, a
hooker, and Niles Standish, a wealthy dude that is always looking to
hire people for various types of sexual perversions.
You can get a taste of it at
http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/crankyankers/
(try the calls by Special Ed or Gladys)
The other current American show I'd recommend stars a comedian named
Dave Chapelle, and it's called Chapelle's Show. Over the top humor,
but very funny if you're not sensitive about ethnic humor.
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