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O.T. Phone service
Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area?
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news  "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! |
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Michael McKelvy wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. Mike- according to Anywho.com: Richman, Bruce J PhD 3660 NE 166 St North Miami Beach FL 33160 305-944-5033 Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and current listing. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. Mike- according to Anywho.com: Richman, Bruce J PhD 3660 NE 166 St North Miami Beach FL 33160 305-944-5033 Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and current listing. Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back as Bruce Richer. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. |
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Michael McKelvy wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. Mike- according to Anywho.com: Richman, Bruce J PhD 3660 NE 166 St North Miami Beach FL 33160 305-944-5033 Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and current listing. Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back as Bruce Richer. I went to: http://www.anywho.com then, I clicked on "reverse lookup" I entered: 305 9445033 it came back as: Richman, Bruce J PhD at the same address I posted earlier. I literally just did this......try it yourself |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:48:13 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. Mike- according to Anywho.com: Richman, Bruce J PhD 3660 NE 166 St North Miami Beach FL 33160 305-944-5033 Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and current listing. Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back as Bruce Richer. No it doesn't: From the reverse lookup on www.anywho.com Area Code Required Telephone Number Required TIP: Cell phone numbers are not available You searched for: 305 9445033 Results 1 - 1 of 1 PREVIOUS | NEXT Reverse Telephone Listings Richman, Bruce J Phd 3660 NE 166 St NORTH MIAMI BEACH, FL 33160 |
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Clyde Slick wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Since his recent efforts to promote more lies about my identity were pretty thoroughly shot down by others such as yourself and Dave Weil, to name just a few, he's trying once again to promote his neverending series of lies. He has an almost 7 year history of lies, libel, and harassment. There is no reason to expect it to ever stop, given the mental status of the person behind it. |
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Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. |
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dave weil wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:48:13 GMT, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. Mike- according to Anywho.com: Richman, Bruce J PhD 3660 NE 166 St North Miami Beach FL 33160 305-944-5033 Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and current listing. Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back as Bruce Richer. No it doesn't: From the reverse lookup on www.anywho.com Area Code Required Telephone Number Required TIP: Cell phone numbers are not available You searched for: 305 9445033 Results 1 - 1 of 1 PREVIOUS | NEXT Reverse Telephone Listings Richman, Bruce J Phd 3660 NE 166 St NORTH MIAMI BEACH, FL 33160 Isn't it rather bizarre to see two proven liars, McKelvy and a gutless sockpuppet, arguing over which one is correct? They can't agree on the truth anymore than they can agree on the daily helpings of bull**** they spew on RAO! LOL !!! |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. Mike- according to Anywho.com: Richman, Bruce J PhD 3660 NE 166 St North Miami Beach FL 33160 305-944-5033 Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and current listing. Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back as Bruce Richer. I went to: http://www.anywho.com then, I clicked on "reverse lookup" I entered: 305 9445033 it came back as: Richman, Bruce J PhD at the same address I posted earlier. I literally just did this......try it yourself Yes, it worked as you said. I used some other link from that site last night, with the results I described. I have no explanation for the difference. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ups.com... dave weil wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:48:13 GMT, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. Mike- according to Anywho.com: Richman, Bruce J PhD 3660 NE 166 St North Miami Beach FL 33160 305-944-5033 Unlike many other 'internet white pages', Anywho.com is difficult, if not impossible, to spoof. This is almost certainly a legitimate and current listing. Not in the Bellsouth directory. If you do a reverse directory look up where you enter the phone number, through one of the Anywho links, it comes back as Bruce Richer. No it doesn't: From the reverse lookup on www.anywho.com Area Code Required Telephone Number Required TIP: Cell phone numbers are not available You searched for: 305 9445033 Results 1 - 1 of 1 PREVIOUS | NEXT Reverse Telephone Listings Richman, Bruce J Phd 3660 NE 166 St NORTH MIAMI BEACH, FL 33160 Isn't it rather bizarre to see two proven liars, McKelvy and a gutless sockpuppet, arguing over which one is correct? They can't agree on the truth anymore than they can agree on the daily helpings of bull**** they spew on RAO! We're not arguing, we're trying to make sure we both have accurate information. |
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"I am, therefore I flame"
- Bruce J. Richman You just can't help yourself, can you Beej? Bruce J. Richman wrote: Isn't it rather bizarre to see two proven liars remainder of unprovoked flame deleted |
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Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time.  |
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Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. Bruce what a frenetic passion for typing... ....At least you could do that on a clitoris ! |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Well, he is not stalking you, nor is he questioning your education, profession and identity. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Well, he is not stalking you, nor is he questioning your education, profession and identity. I'm on the other side of the ****ing country, I am not stalking him, I am using legal resources to make myself convinced one way or the other. You may not find his behavior odd for someone of his profession, but I do. What he does for a living has no real bearing on why I find his behavior reprehensible. If I convince myself that he is in fact Bruce J. Richman PhD. and a licensed psychologist, I will say so. It won't excuse the inflammatory behavior he exhibits here. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. |
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Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. A lie by any other name is still a lie. Deliberate avoidance of concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is lying, not stating opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost all other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the information I have presented. You've chosen to ignore it and contiue your lies and libel campaign. But you only believe people that say what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed that Krueger "stands for the truth", even though a number of different RAO posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods) that he has frequently lied. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role model, Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of his many enemies. For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. You miss the point entirely. You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet this is not a professional environment. Your behavior is as bad if not worse, than that of most of the people here. At least they haven't engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at another person's occupation, identity, etc. You, no doubt, find fault with the behavior of many people here that have accurately described the many problems with your RAO conduct. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. You definitely do, hypocrite. You've rarely met a Krueger flame you can't supplement and endorse. You're also among the first to smear other people that don't support your extreme prejudices. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? So why don't you ignore them? Practice what you preach, hypocrite. I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other misfits that have nothing better to do with their time. You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, It's a fact, not an assumption. it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic. They are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online behavior of some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face evaluation and a bunch of other information as well in most cases. I don't see you criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's misapplied over and over again to many different posters. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is entitled to use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of what they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!! Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"? That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term. Again, you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a person who happens to be a psychologist can not. See the hypocrisy in that attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks? As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Not quite. Many of my credentials have been posted on RAO and many are easily verified, since they are part of the public record or school records. In addition, others have verified them and reported it on RAO. The fact that you contiue to deny reality is your problem, not mine. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've actually said. Many people that are addicted to various types of medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage pattern. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through a Google search for references. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic training (or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain conditions in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to the sensations of pain. Also, I've personally, as part of my training, seen people undergo oral surgery without any anaesthesia at all (a large number of tooth extractions) - a procedure that would be very painful - under nothing more than hypnosis. The patient reported only feeling some dull pressure from the dental instruments, but no pain. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. They are both subject to abuse. BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You can always call him and ask if he remembers me. He graduated a little before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim Bieri or Norman Prentice were. Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT. I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious to be arrested. If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years and issue a retraction, that is your problem. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. A lie by any other name is still a lie. A lie requires you to know it is a lie. Deliberate avoidance of concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is lying, not stating opinions. I'm not avoiding it, it just hasn't proven anything. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost all other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies. Crystal ball again? They are easier to convince. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the information I have presented. Good for them. I haven't. You've chosen to ignore it and contiue your lies and libel campaign. But you only believe people that say what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed that Krueger "stands for the truth", Provide an in context quote for that, because if you can't and I made that statement you'd say it was a lie. even though a number of different RAO posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods) that he has frequently lied. A number of peop;e have lied about him as well, are you as ****ed about that? Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role model, Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of his many enemies. You keep saying role model, why? People have made fun of my typos, are you as ****ed about that? For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. You miss the point entirely. Yes you do. You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet this is not a professional environment. That doesn't mean you should behave like a barbarian. It doesn't excuse you, and it doesn't mean you should forget what that professionis about. Your behavior is as bad if not worse, than that of most of the people here. And that means it's OK for you to act the same? Or worse? At least they haven't engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at another person's occupation, identity, etc. You can repeat this ad nauseum, it won't make what I've said anything more than my opinions. You, no doubt, find fault with the behavior of many people here that have accurately described the many problems with your RAO conduct. No, I find fault with the whole ****ing mess. I do notice that when I was on topic, people like you come out and look for a fight. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. You definitely do, hypocrite. I enjoy it when it's light hearted and not personal. I enjoy it when blustering fools get shot down for their ignorance. I do not enjoy endless catfights abouyt how wronged people have been by somebody or how they have to fight back because someone said somnething bad. It's way too childish for for grown folks. For a mental health professional, it certainly ridiculous. You've rarely met a Krueger flame you can't supplement and endorse. Care to back that up with anything from Google? You're also among the first to smear other people that don't support your extreme prejudices. Got any proof? To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? So why don't you ignore them? I ignore mostof it. If I didn't I wouyld be here 24 hours a day. Practice what you preach, hypocrite. I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other misfits that have nothing better to do with their time. And then other times you start attacxk threads or attack somebody in the middle of a thread like the Julian Hirsch thread, which no mnatter how you try to spin it, made you an ass. You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, It's a fact, not an assumption. it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic. Sorry, you don't get to divorce your profession from your use of professioal terms. They are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online behavior of some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face evaluation and a bunch of other information as well in most cases. Feel free to use them there, find other words here. I don't see you criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's misapplied over and over again to many different posters. If they were mental health professionals I doubt they would, if they did, I'd be on their asses too. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is entitled to use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of what they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!! Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"? Have you ever heard of leading by example? You're the one who's supposed to be able to help a diseased mind, yet here you act more crazy than almost anyone else. That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term. Again, you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a person who happens to be a psychologist can not. See the hypocrisy in that attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks? Then change professions. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Not quite. Many of my credentials have been posted on RAO and many are easily verified, since they are part of the public record or school records. What can be verified is that they belong to someone with that name has those credentials. I remain suspicious of them belonging to you. In addition, others have verified them and reported it on RAO. The fact that you contiue to deny reality is your problem, not mine. It's not real until I am satisfied. That they are is all well and good for them, it hasn't been proven to ME. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've actually said. What part of the words ":seem to be imply' do you not understand? Many people that are addicted to various types of medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage pattern. That's their problem not mine. You are still seeming to imply some connection with that behavior and mine. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? No. Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through a Google search for references. I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic training (or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain conditions in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to the sensations of pain. That's not my problem look up spinal stenosis. Also, I've personally, as part of my training, seen people undergo oral surgery without any anaesthesia at all (a large number of tooth extractions) - a procedure that would be very painful - under nothing more than hypnosis. The patient reported only feeling some dull pressure from the dental instruments, but no pain. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. They are both subject to abuse. BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You can always call him and ask if he remembers me. He graduated a little before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim Bieri or Norman Prentice were. I'll make a note. Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT. You could still be a shrink, but some other one. I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious to be arrested. Nor do you act like anything more than a petualnt school boy when you are here. If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years and issue a retraction, that is your problem. I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours? |
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Clyde Slick wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver functioning. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Clyde Slick wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver functioning. Which one of the two is most dangerous? Tylenol or hydrocone? Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug? |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. And it will kill you if you take enough. If however you take it as prescribed, the worst that can happen to you is increased tolerance and constipation. Yes, it is possible to become addicted but it is not a risk to your health unless you overdose. The dosage I take is the smallest one available 10 mg. It comes in strengths as high as 160 mg. for controlled release. There are others that are IR or instant release, I can't even imagine what kind of pain you'd have to be in for that. Generally speaking it is a very safe drug, especially compared to something like Barbiturates, which if you become addicted, can kill you just trying to withdraw from them. I have a PDR on my desktop, so if you need any more info on anything, I'll be happy to share. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Clyde Slick wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver functioning. Which one of the two is most dangerous? Tylenol or hydrocone? Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug? They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol can kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse, it can simply be from taking it for a long period of time. Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate. Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of Tylenol. |
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Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. A lie by any other name is still a lie. A lie requires you to know it is a lie. No, it does not. Conscious intent is not required. If somebody says Germany is in South America, they are lying. They are making a false statement. If they were under oath in a court room, they could be charged with perjury. Their ignorance would not be a reasonable defense unless they were significantly retarded. Deliberate avoidance of concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is lying, not stating opinions. I'm not avoiding it, it just hasn't proven anything. Another false statement. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost all other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies. Crystal ball again? They are easier to convince. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the information I have presented. Good for them. I haven't. Becaus you prefer to keep lying about these things. You've chosen to ignore it and contiue your lies and libel campaign. But you only believe people that say what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed that Krueger "stands for the truth", Provide an in context quote for that, because if you can't and I made that statement you'd say it was a lie. It's part of one of your posts in which you said you support Krueger because he "stands for the truth". I specifically reember you saying that when I criticized your defense of his posting behavior and failure to criticize his obvious attacks on other people. even though a number of different RAO posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods) that he has frequently lied. A number of peop;e have lied about him as well, are you as ****ed about that? Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role model, Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of his many enemies. You keep saying role model, why? People have made fun of my typos, are you as ****ed about that? For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. You miss the point entirely. Yes you do. You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet this is not a professional environment. That doesn't mean you should behave like a barbarian. It doesn't excuse you, and it doesn't mean you should forget what that professionis about. I behave about the same, no better or worse, than many of RAO's posters. RAO, like other unmoderated NGs, has people from a variety of professions and occupations. A lot of them attack other people and respond when attacked. To expect everybody else to continue flaming away (including yourself) while falsely claiming that a professional should not, especially on a purely recreational, not professional forum, is both unrealistic and ludicrous. Your behavior is as bad if not worse, than that of most of the people here. And that means it's OK for you to act the same? Or worse? I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and attempt to impose self-serving double standards on others. Those that do that are just looking for an easy path to more and more flaming. Or to put it another way, they want to provide the heat, but don't want to get any in return. At least they haven't engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at another person's occupation, identity, etc. You can repeat this ad nauseum, it won't make what I've said anything more than my opinions. And you can falsely state that your provably false statements afe "opinions", and that won't change the fact that they are lies. You could say Germany is in South America, but the evidence would indicate that you had lied. Similarly, the evidence here is concrete, verifiable, and proves that you are lying. You, no doubt, find fault with the behavior of many people here that have accurately described the many problems with your RAO conduct. No, I find fault with the whole ****ing mess. I do notice that when I was on topic, people like you come out and look for a fight. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. You definitely do, hypocrite. I enjoy it when it's light hearted and not personal. I enjoy it when blustering fools get shot down for their ignorance. I do not enjoy endless catfights abouyt how wronged people have been by somebody or how they have to fight back because someone said somnething bad. It's way too childish for for grown folks. For a mental health professional, it certainly ridiculous. It is no more ridiculous for a mental health professional to defend himself against the idiotic, juvenile name-calling and flames that people like you are known for, than for anybody else to do the same. No matter how often you try and excuse the behavior of everybody else while you rationalise your double standards attempts to prevent retaliation, the argument is both hypocritical and self-serving. As I've said above, you're just trying to prevent people attacked from striking back. We both know that RAO is a playground, not a work environment. You've rarely met a Krueger flame you can't supplement and endorse. Care to back that up with anything from Google? You're also among the first to smear other people that don't support your extreme prejudices. Got any proof? To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? So why don't you ignore them? I ignore mostof it. If I didn't I wouyld be here 24 hours a day. You're not attacked *that* often. You have engaged in plenty of personal attacks, and many of them have been unprovoked. Practice what you preach, hypocrite. I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other misfits that have nothing better to do with their time. And then other times you start attacxk threads or attack somebody in the middle of a thread like the Julian Hirsch thread, which no mnatter how you try to spin it, made you an ass. When I start an attack thread, it is almost always, if not always, in response to one from your role model, Krueger, or one of a few other people. You can check the Google record, and you'll see that mine are in retaliation, unlike Krueger, who has been running wild with them lately, since he's becoming more unstable and agitated as the evidence against him gets presented. You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, It's a fact, not an assumption. it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic. Sorry, you don't get to divorce your profession from your use of professioal terms. You don't determine what are and are not professional terms for use by a psychologist. You've again made a false statement about diagnoses, and now you're just trying to backpedal and spin your obvious lies. You also don't determine how anybody should behave on a NG when they are attacked,and their profession or occupation makes no difference, since that's not what's being discussed, except, of course, when you choose to smear it, as has been your habit. This is supposed to be an audio forum, not a mental health forum. However, since much of the online behavior consists of people attacking the mental health of others (such as your friend, Krueger, calling people delusional, insane and senile), it's perfectly appropriate to describe his behavior for what most of us know it is - a set of false beliefs about others that has no evidence to support it. iOW, a set of delusional beliefs. That's a description based on the evidence, and one that many of made, not just me. The fact that you think he "stands for truth" doesn't change the basic facts. They are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online behavior of some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face evaluation and a bunch of other information as well in most cases. Feel free to use them there, find other words here. I don't see you criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's misapplied over and over again to many different posters. If they were mental health professionals I doubt they would, if they did, I'd be on their asses too. You'd be both wrong and acting inappropriately in both cases. To assume that *anybody* coming here, no matter what their profession, is going to just ignore personal attacks against them is both naive and unrealistic. Engineers are supposed to be "professionals", as are people rrom other fields, yet we find more than a few here flaming away. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is entitled to use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of what they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!! Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"? Have you ever heard of leading by example? You're the one who's supposed to be able to help a diseased mind, yet here you act more crazy than almost anyone else. That's the type of provably false statement and delusional statement for which you are ridiculed and despised. Shall we take a vote on that, you lying idiot? Let's ask the RAO readership at large what they thing of Krueger's and Lionel's mental status, for example, or yours, when you act like a fool and make idiotic statements like that. That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term. Again, you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a person who happens to be a psychologist can not. See the hypocrisy in that attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks? Then change professions. Change your way of acting on public newsgroups. Stop your alnost 7 year history of deliberately lying, libeling and distorting the facts about me. Stop the self-serving hypocrisy that is as foolish as you are in your assinne evaluations and false claims. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Not quite. Many of my credentials have been posted on RAO and many are easily verified, since they are part of the public record or school records. What can be verified is that they belong to someone with that name has those credentials. I remain suspicious of them belonging to you. Then you're an idiot. By all means, report the person claiming to be Dr. Bruce J. Richman, clinical psychlogist, to the legal authorities since impersonating a psychologist is illegal. If you think any psychologist is going to be impersonated for very long by anybody without a complaint being made to the authorities, you're even more stupid than most of us already know you are. Perhaps you can explain how an impersonator has managed to avoid legal penalties for almost 7 years? No? You're the crazy person here with your devotion to denial of reality as it pertains to me. In addition, others have verified them and reported it on RAO. The fact that you contiue to deny reality is your problem, not mine. It's not real until I am satisfied. That they are is all well and good for them, it hasn't been proven to ME. See above. Report the impostor to the police. After they investigate and then perhaps arrest *you* for filing a false complaint, pehaps you'll be convinced. Also, let us know when Elvis leaves the building. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've actually said. What part of the words ":seem to be imply' do you not understand? I understand that you are paranoid as hell when it comes to your many enemies, including me, on RAO. I understand that you trade in innuendo and false misrepresentations about what others have actually said and/or done. Many people that are addicted to various types of medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage pattern. That's their problem not mine. You are still seeming to imply some connection with that behavior and mine. Another assumption is not supported by the facts. You just love to read things into what other people say, don't you? Sort of like your misinterpretations of many other things I've actually said. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? No. Well, perhaps you should before you opt for more radical treatment methods like surgery. Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through a Google search for references. I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain. Both methods have been used with many different types of pain, as well as a large number of real physical problems. If you think that pain is purely a physical problem for a person, than you're a fool. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic training (or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain conditions in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to the sensations of pain. That's not my problem look up spinal stenosis. Also, I've personally, as part of my training, seen people undergo oral surgery without any anaesthesia at all (a large number of tooth extractions) - a procedure that would be very painful - under nothing more than hypnosis. The patient reported only feeling some dull pressure from the dental instruments, but no pain. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. They are both subject to abuse. BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You can always call him and ask if he remembers me. He graduated a little before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim Bieri or Norman Prentice were. I'll make a note. Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT. You could still be a shrink, but some other one. Duh........... that would still be impersonation of a person with a known identity. I could also be Santa Claus or Elvis. I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious to be arrested. Nor do you act like anything more than a petualnt school boy when you are here. Bull****. I simply defend myself against the juvenile name-calling and smears of chronic flamesr like you. If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years and issue a retraction, that is your problem. 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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. A lie by any other name is still a lie. A lie requires you to know it is a lie. No, it does not. Conscious intent is not required. If somebody says Germany is in South America, they are lying. No they are mistaken, unless they know better. They are making a false statement. Which is not the same as a lie. If they were under oath in a court room, they could be charged with perjury. They don't charge with perjury if you don't know what you said was not true. Their ignorance would not be a reasonable defense unless they were significantly retarded. Then you'll have to quote some legal ruling that says so or from a state law that says so. If someonme testifies under oath and does not know what they are saying is untrue, they are not charged to the best of my knowledge. There is no intent to decieve. Deliberate avoidance of concrete evidence and repetition of the sasme false statements is lying, not stating opinions. I'm not avoiding it, it just hasn't proven anything. Another false statement. It would be considered evidence, but it is far from conclusive. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. In your case, since you've deliberately ignored factual information while continuing to lie about me, that would be true. For almost all other posters, that wuold be seen as just another one of your lies. Crystal ball again? They are easier to convince. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Numerous other people, without your agenda, have verified the information I have presented. Good for them. I haven't. Becaus you prefer to keep lying about these things. No, because this is a NG and you can say anything. Saying something is true doesn't make it so. You've chosen to ignore it and contiue your lies and libel campaign. The only one on a campaign here is you, you keep bringing it up. But you only believe people that say what you want to hear about your RAO enemies. You've also claimed that Krueger "stands for the truth", Provide an in context quote for that, because if you can't and I made that statement you'd say it was a lie. It's part of one of your posts in which you said you support Krueger because he "stands for the truth". About Audio. Try staying in context. I specifically reember you saying that when I criticized your defense of his posting behavior and failure to criticize his obvious attacks on other people. Partly because for 10 years I've seen him attacked for telling the truth. even though a number of different RAO posters have proven (in terms of Google and through other methods) that he has frequently lied. I've seen people say it, I've never seen anybody prove he's done anything more than jerk some chains and RESPOND to attacks. A number of peop;e have lied about him as well, are you as ****ed about that? Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." False. Lame try to avoid responsibility by imitating your role model, Krueger's, sleazy tactic of hypocritically attacking the typos of his many enemies. You keep saying role model, why? People have made fun of my typos, are you as ****ed about that? For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. You miss the point entirely. Yes you do. You've claimed I'm unprofessional, yet this is not a professional environment. And you are the one that keeps hammering people overthe head about your professional backround. You are the one who constantly refers to examples of various disorders and comparing them to people on RAO you don't like. You want to have it both ways. That doesn't mean you should behave like a barbarian. It doesn't excuse you, and it doesn't mean you should forget what that profession is about. I behave about the same, no better or worse, than many of RAO's posters. That hardly makes it OK. RAO, like other unmoderated NGs, has people from a variety of professions and occupations. A lot of them attack other people and respond when attacked. To expect everybody else to continue flaming away (including yourself) while falsely claiming that a professional should not, especially on a purely recreational, not professional forum, is both unrealistic and ludicrous. Your behavior is as bad if not worse, than that of most of the people here. And that means it's OK for you to act the same? Or worse? I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and attempt to impose self-serving double standards on others. Those that do that are just looking for an easy path to more and more flaming. Or to put it another way, they want to provide the heat, but don't want to get any in return. Bruce you see flames where there's barely any smoke. You say it's wrong for Arny to use prior attacks against him as justification for flaming but then you do the same ****ing thing. At least they haven't engaged in an almost 7 year campaign of lies and libels directed at another person's occupation, identity, etc. You can repeat this ad nauseum, it won't make what I've said anything more than my opinions. And you can falsely state that your provably false statements afe "opinions", and that won't change the fact that they are lies. Blah, blah. In my opinion nobody has PROVRD you are who you say you are. There is a likelihood that you are in fact who you say are, but there is also apossiblilityu you aren't. My instincts say you aren't. My instincts are usually right, not always, but usually. Until I get proof to MY OWN satisfaction, I will remain skeptical. Should I find out I'm wrong it won't change much about my feelings about how you act here. And even though this is a public forum where you can say what you want, someone with your backround, should know better, mnore is expected from you , like it or not. You could say Germany is in South America, but the evidence would indicate that you had lied. If I said it would be a lie, but if someone who had no idea where it actually was said it, it would simply be an error. Similarly, the evidence here is concrete, verifiable, and proves that you are lying. No, it's hearsay. You, no doubt, find fault with the behavior of many people here that have accurately described the many problems with your RAO conduct. No, I find fault with the whole ****ing mess. I do notice that when I was on topic, people like you come out and look for a fight. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. You definitely do, hypocrite. I enjoy it when it's light hearted and not personal. I enjoy it when blustering fools get shot down for their ignorance. I do not enjoy endless catfights about how wronged people have been by somebody or how they have to fight back because someone said somnething bad. It's way too childish for for grown folks. For a mental health professional, it certainly ridiculous. It is no more ridiculous for a mental health professional to defend himself against the idiotic, juvenile name-calling and flames It is if he does it in a ridiculous, idiotic, and juvenile way. that people like you are known for, than for anybody else to do the same. I start most conversations with an attempt at reasonable discussion. I'm nearly always responding to attacks when I get nasty. There are some few exceptions. The Julian Hirsch thread was a prime example. There was no reason, no justification and no class involved in making a personal attack against Arny in that thread, it was stupid, boorish and juvenile. No matter how often you try and excuse the behavior of everybody else while you rationalise your double standards attempts to prevent retaliation, the argument is both hypocritical and self-serving. Not really. I still try and stay non-inflammatory and I don't go looking for people to flame. I've started a few flame threads, but it is not my habit. You've probably done more of it the last month than I have in 10 years. As I've said above, you're just trying to prevent people attacked from striking back. Actually, that's a very good stategy. Don't respond and they will eventually shut up. We both know that RAO is a playground, not a work environment. That doesn't mean we should **** here. You've rarely met a Krueger flame you can't supplement and endorse. Care to back that up with anything from Google? I didn't think so. You're also among the first to smear other people that don't support your extreme prejudices. Got any proof? I didn't think so. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? So why don't you ignore them? I ignore most of it. If I didn't I would be here 24 hours a day. You're not attacked *that* often. You have engaged in plenty of personal attacks, and many of them have been unprovoked. And many of them have been. The ones that arent' are usually cases like the Julian Hirsch thread you **** on. Practice what you preach, hypocrite. I've frequently ignored flames from you, Krueger and the few other misfits that have nothing better to do with their time. And then other times you start attacxk threads or attack somebody in the middle of a thread like the Julian Hirsch thread, which no mnatter how you try to spin it, made you an ass. When I start an attack thread, it is almost always, if not always, in response to one from your role model, He's not my role model. I respect his knowledge of audio. Krueger, or one of a few other people. Why start an attack thread at all? What do you gain from it? How does it help anything. Lead by example. Same thing I told Arny. You can check the Google record, and you'll see that mine are in retaliation, unlike Krueger, who has been running wild with them lately, since he's becoming more unstable and agitated as the evidence against him gets presented. I've checked the Google record and you make more personal attacks. You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, It's a fact, not an assumption. it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. As I've told you before, the terms I'm using are not diagnostic. Sorry, you don't get to divorce your profession from your use of professioal terms. You don't determine what are and are not professional terms for use by a psychologist. You've again made a false statement about diagnoses, and now you're just trying to backpedal and spin your obvious lies. Nope, I'm calling it like I see it. You also don't determine how anybody should behave on a NG when they are attacked,and their profession or occupation makes no difference, Just tell me whjat you gain from it? since that's not what's being discussed, except, of course, when you choose to smear it, as has been your habit. I don't smear the profession, I respect the profession, I just don't like the way YOU act and it strikes me as ****ing wierd that YOU could be a person getting paid to solve people's emotional problems when you seem to be one. This is supposed to be an audio forum, not a mental health forum. Then stop discussing mental health here. However, since much of the online behavior consists of people attacking the mental health of others (such as your friend, Krueger, calling people delusional, insane and senile), He wouldn't have an couldn't have if you hadn't been blabbing mental health this and delusional that every time you hit the ****ing keyboard. it's perfectly appropriate to describe his behavior for what most of us know it is - a set of false beliefs about others that has no evidence to support it. If it's not approriate for him it's less so for you. iOW, a set of delusional beliefs. That's a description based on the evidence, and one that many of made, not just me. The fact that you think he "stands for truth" doesn't change the basic facts. How anyt times are you going to use those word out of context? They are descriptive adjectives which I feel apply to the online behavior of some of RAO's posters. A diagnosis requires a face-to-face evaluation and a bunch of other information as well in most cases. Then when you do one and have the patients permission, you can do so. In the mean time you should be using whatever skill you have to make tinjgs better, noit try to show that you can be worse. Feel free to use them there, find other words here. I don't see you criticizing Krueger for using terms like "delusional" - a term he's misapplied over and over again to many different posters. I don't see him spending endless bandwidth on such ****. If he wasn't responded to and wasn't attacked for nearly everything he says, regardless of what it might be, he'd hardly be sayinmg anything that wasn't audio related. If they were mental health professionals I doubt they would, if they did, I'd be on their asses too. You'd be both wrong and acting inappropriately in both cases. To assume that *anybody* coming here, no matter what their profession, is going to just ignore personal attacks against them is both naive and unrealistic. Probably, but thenm I expect frown ups to behave better, including myself. Engineers are supposed to be "professionals", as are people rrom other fields, yet we find more than a few here flaming away. What we find is engineers saying that wire is wire, (a truth) or that competently dsigned amps sound alike, (another truth) and thenm being told they said something entirely different, or that they can't hear. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. Does this mean that you think that everybody else on RAO is entitled to use these terms, but a person who actually has some knowledge of what they mean and how to use them does not? GMFAB !!! Have you ever heard the expression "Ignorance is no excuse"? Have you ever heard of leading by example? You're the one who's supposed to be able to help a diseased mind, yet here you act more crazy than almost anyone else. That's the type of provably false statement and delusional statement That's an opinion based on observation. for which you are ridiculed and despised. Shall we take a vote on that, you lying idiot? Why not start another one of those non-existent attack threads yo never start unless atacked? Let's ask the RAO readership at large what they thing of Krueger's and Lionel's mental status, for example, or yours, when you act like a fool and make idiotic statements like that. So we can get the same 5 or 8 Bozo's saying the same **** over and ovder again? That has not happened, and you know it - or should know it. And insanity is a legal term, not a medical or psychological term. Ok let me rephrase, you act at least as childish and asinine as anybody you criticise. Again, you're trying to argue for a double standard in which people you support like Krueger, Lionel and torresists can smear people using terms like delusional, insane, paranoid, senile, etc. - while a person who happens to be a psychologist can not. Actually, I'm arguing for one standard, maturity. See the hypocrisy in that attempt to prevent retaliation to personal attacks? Then change professions. Change your way of acting on public newsgroups. Stop your alnost 7 year history of deliberately lying, libeling and distorting the facts about me. Stop the self-serving hypocrisy that is as foolish as you are in your assinne evaluations and false claims. I can't stop whay I haven't started. I understand that you are paranoid as hell when it comes to your many enemies, including me, on RAO. It's not paranoia, it's skepticism. Many people that are addicted to various types of medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage pattern. That's their problem not mine. You are still seeming to imply some connection with that behavior and mine. Another assumption is not supported by the facts. A reasonable interpretation of what you just said. You just love to read things into what other people say, don't you? If irony killed. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? No. Well, perhaps you should before you opt for more radical treatment methods like surgery. Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through a Google search for references. I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain. Both methods have been used with many different types of pain, as well as a large number of real physical problems. If you think that pain is purely a physical problem for a person, than you're a fool. Thanks for putting words in my mouth again. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. See above. Biofeedback training involving electromyographic training (or EMG training has frequently been used with chronic pain conditions in which muscle spasms and/or muscular contractions contribute to the sensations of pain. That's not my problem look up spinal stenosis. I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious to be arrested. Nor do you act like anything more than a petualnt school boy when you are here. Bull****. I simply defend myself against the juvenile name-calling and smears of chronic flamesr like you. That would be great if it were true. If you don't want to accept that you've been wrong for many years and issue a retraction, that is your problem. I'm perfectly willing to accept I'm wrong anytime, once it's proven to me, to my satisfaction. I'm capable of accepting my fault, hope about you and yours? There's none for me to accept. LOL! And here I thought we might actuyally have a serious discussion. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Clyde Slick wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver functioning. Which one of the two is most dangerous? Tylenol or hydrocone? Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug? They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol can kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse, it can simply be from taking it for a long period of time. Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate. Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of Tylenol. I asked about hydrocodone (sorry about my spelling error) not oxycontin. They are not exactly the same. Now I will also ask the same question about codeine vs Tylenol. Oxycontin is not exactly the |
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Paul Dormer wrote: Bruce Richman, verified, wrote : That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've actually said. Many people that are addicted to various types of medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage pattern. In the UK patients details are held on a centralized database. AFAIK it doesn't matter whether you're in a doctors surgery, A&E department, or any other govt recognized medical facility - the patients records are pulled up on computer. That's a reasonable approach. As I'm sure you realize, in a system dominated by private practitioners, that would be hard to implement unless it was required by law. About the closest thing I've discovered here is the use of a database by several large pharmacy chains that have stores throughout the US, so if a patient tries to get a prescription filled at one store, it can quickly be checked for duplication - particularly if it is a "controlled substance" - a designation used in the US for many habit-forming drugs such as painkillers, tranquilizers, narcotics, etc. Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? I had a course in hypnosis in an attemtp to relieve "restless legs" (Ekbom syndrome). It was not successful in alleviating the underlying symptoms, but I did learn some techniques for coping with it. I suspect Mikey might also learn some useful techniques for managing pain. Well, at least you were open-minded enough and curious enough to investigate some non-chemical treatment options. I'm not suggesting that pain is purely psychological, but it's long been known that a specific person's perception of pain and their ability to tolerate it can be significantly influenced by psychological factors. S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t ----------------------------------- It's Grim down south.. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Clyde Slick wrote: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... Michael McKelvy wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message news
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... Who is the provider of regular phone service in the Miami area? Bellsouth? It's just that there's this person's phone number you would expect to find in their books, but it doesn't show up. you are really obsessed with this! Not nearly as much as he is with me. Another lie from McKelvy, obviously. No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are using. I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another person's identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for almost 7 years. I'm also not the person that has passed on false email information received from a questionable source. Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line behavior with your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion on the matter. That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my identity, my professional activities They are still opinions. (about which you actually know nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO). Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure. There is a difference between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe your lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over and over again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort or disbelieve. It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no way to know if they are true, they are hearsay. Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from a questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to use a variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO). I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I assure you it was not "fale." For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is that when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup, they should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow, behave differently than other people do that post there. That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would make no difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant. People post on recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs, and unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people. And you seem to relish the insult part. To expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is unrealistic and unfair. Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child when you say things like that. You think you put out fire with gasoline? You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about my use of legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims about my mental state. I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's* mental state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing else. But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's assume that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate diagnostic terms about people you don't know. You have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which is clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty of ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed. I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be calling people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat. As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have no way of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free to voice an opinion. You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions about something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what you accuse me of doing. Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of "legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was using many prescriptions at the same time. An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one prescription, which is also not true. It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without them, I would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large amount of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the pain. I'm going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is a viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine is not something you do if it not required, there are some very serious risks, far more than from oxicontin. BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but he was obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is a far safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains Tylenol. Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical situation. BTW, you are wrong for your inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol. Its the hydrocordone. No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too long a time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful effects to your health. Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver functioning. Which one of the two is most dangerous? Tylenol or hydrocone? Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug? They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol can kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse, it can simply be from taking it for a long period of time. Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate. Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of Tylenol. I asked about hydrocodone (sorry about my spelling error) not oxycontin. They are not exactly the same. OxiContin is hydrocondone in a time release form. From the PDR: OxyContin is an opioid agonist and a Schedule II controlled substance with an abuse liability similar to morphine. Oxycodone can be abused in a manner similar to other opioid agonists, legal or illicit. This should be considered when prescribing or dispensing OxyContin in situations where the physician or pharmacist is concerned about an increased risk of misuse, abuse, or diversion. OxyContin Tablets are a controlled-release oral formulation of oxycodone hydrochloride indicated for the management of moderate to severe pain when a continuous, around-the-clock analgesic is needed for an extended period of time. OxyContin Tablets are NOT intended for use as a prn analgesic. The chemical formula is 4, 5(alpha)-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one hydrochloride. Oxycodone is a white, odorless crystalline powder derived from the opium alkaloid, thebaine. Oxycodone hydrochloride dissolves in water (1 g in 6 to 7 mL). It is slightly soluble in alcohol (octanol water partition coefficient 0.7). The tablets contain the following inactive ingredients: ammonio methacrylate copolymer, hypromellose, lactose, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol 400, povidone, sodium hydroxide, sorbic acid, stearyl alcohol, talc, titanium dioxide, and triacetin. The 10 mg tablets also contain: hydroxypropyl cellulose. The 20 mg tablets also contain: polysorbate 80 and red iron oxide. The 40 mg tablets also contain: polysorbate 80 and yellow iron oxide. The 80 mg tablets also contain: FD&C blue No. 2, hydroxypropyl cellulose, and yellow iron oxide. The 160 mg tablets also contain: FD&C blue No. 2 and polysorbate 80. Codeine is an alkaloid, obtained from opium or prepared from morphine by methylation. Codeine phosphate occurs as fine, white, needle-shaped crystals, or white, crystalline powder. It is affected by light. Its chemical name is: 7,8-didehydro- 4,5(alpha)-epoxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6(alpha)-ol phosphate (1:1) (salt) hemihydrate. The hydrocodone component is 4,5(alpha)-epoxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one tartrate (1:1) hydrate (2:5), a fine white crystal or crystalline powder, which is derived from the opium alkaloid, Now I will also ask the same question about codeine vs Tylenol. Oxycontin is not exactly the They are both derived from Opium. AFAIK they have the same risks and side effects. |
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"Paul Dormer" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" emitted : Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? No. Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through a Google search for references. I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain. Do you think surgery is painless? Of course not. Some people are able to put themselves into a relaxed state for surgery through hypnosis, such that they don't need anaesthetics. I think Bruce already mentioned this. Assuming I had surgery, the goal would be that it would remove the casue of the pain. Not having nerves rubbing against the vertabra should solve the problem. While I'm certainly open to anything that can reduce or illiminate the pain, I have some difficulty in accepting that that type of nerve pain could be handled with biofeedback. S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t ----------------------------------- It's Grim down south.. |
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Paul Dormer wrote: "Michael McKelvy" emitted : Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? No. Both methods are non-invasive, present no risks, and if done by suitably trained people, can be quite effective with a fairly wide range of pain problems. You can verify this for yourself through a Google search for references. I'll look into it. but I have doubts due to the cause of the pain. Do you think surgery is painless? Some people are able to put themselves into a relaxed state for surgery through hypnosis, such that they don't need anaesthetics. I think Bruce already mentioned this. Very true. I mentioned that I've seen extensive oral surgery performed under hypnosis with no pain reactions by the patient. Also, it's well known that women have given birth under hypnosis with no anaesthesia and no evidence of pain being experienced. Hypnosis is not designed to deal with the *cause* of the pain, but rather some of the major contributing factors such as muscular contractions that often arise from underlying conditions and cause pain. And of course, there is also a cerfain amount of expectancy involved with chronic pain patients. Hypnosis can work on this mental component and train a person to expect a a different outcome from the underlying biological condition. Biofeedback training in which a person is trained to relax muscle groups, for example, has also been used quite frequently in the treatment of back pain, tension headaches, and many other conditions. S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t ----------------------------------- It's Grim down south.. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You can always call him and ask if he remembers me. Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's talk about this guy on a NG. He graduated a little before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim Bieri or Norman Prentice were. Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT. I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious to be arrested. Let's see if I have this correct. I suspect you are a sockpuppet. You deny it. You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a sockpuppet. I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in on the game. |
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Michael McKelvy wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message oups.com... BTW, I'm not sure that he will remember me, but he might. There is a psychologist by the name of Dr. Jeffrey M. Lulow, who has a practice in Encino, California. He is a graduate of the same Clinical Psychology doctoral program that I am - at the University of Texas at Austin. You can always call him and ask if he remembers me. Right, Doctors love that kind of stuff. Hi you don't know but let's talk about this guy on a NG. You really are a blithering idiot !!!! I don't have to prove a damn thing to you, and expect you to continue your almost 7 year campaign of lies and libel. "Doctors love that sort of thing" - Are you totally paranoid? He was a classmate of mine - that's all, you moron. You don't have to mention this NG at all, dummy. Just ask him if he remembers another student that was in the same program (he was a year ahead of me). He graduated a little before I did. As a check on his (or my veracity), ask him who Jim Bieri or Norman Prentice were. Now, you can still claim you that somebody is impersonating me, a false statement you've made more than once, but do you really think anybody is that good an actor? Also, as I've pointed out to you it's AGAINST THE LAW FOR SOMEBODY TO CLAIM THEY ARE A PSYCHOLOOGIST IF THEY ARE NOT. I'm not perfect, but neither am I stupid, self-destructive, or anxious to be arrested. Let's see if I have this correct. I suspect you are a sockpuppet. Far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to make a fool of yourself. Feel free to demonstrate your stupidity. You deny it. Because you're full of ****. You give me references to check to help "prove" you are not a sockpuppet. I am supposed to not suspect that the references you give are not in on the game. Thanks for providing more evidence of your paranoia. That's right, Mikey, it's all part of a carefully constructed plot involving a psychologist in California that I haven't seen in over 30 years and a couple of other psychologists who may or may not still be alive. But you know it's part of a conspiracy - just like the conspiracies involving Leslie Van Vreeland (see the Dormer post), Dave Weil, the telephone companies in South Floria, Jim Johnston, and numerous other conspirators. The *real* Dr. Richman has been coaching me for seven years on what to say. He also told me not to worry about being arrested for impersonating a psychologist, because he could bribe the legal authorities to overlook this felony. He also hooked up a telephone forwarding system between his office and mine, in case anybody called from RAO, so that he could answer questions that an impostor like me wouldn't know. He also got in touch with the schools he attended and th hospital that he interned at, and told them he was going to let an impostor claim he went to these places. They said fine, that they would play along with the charade if any morons from California or Detroit called to check. And of course, I notified the licensing board in Florida that I'd be posing as a Florida licensed psychologist on a public place so that anybody who cared to could verify this data, and then report me to the authorities for using a license that doesn't belong to me. Guess what? I've been getting away with for almost 7 years. And with "detectives" like McKelvy, I can get away with it forever. ROFLMAO !!!! And you question the use of terms like paranoid and delusional when applied to your online behavior? You just provided some very convincing evidence that it fully applies. Sure, your beliefs about me are perfectly valid. It's the rest of the world (almost) that's wrong. ROFLMAO !!!! |
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Paul "The Verifier" Dormer wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" emitted : That's your interpretation of what I've said - but not what I've actually said. Many people that are addicted to various types of medication - both analgesics and antianxiety drugs - do what's known as "doctor shopping". They get different prescriptions formo different doctors for the same pills. I've come across this a number of times with patients I've evaluated and treated. Whether or not this applies to you, I don't know. I'm just pointing out that when a person says "I have a legal presdcription", it proves nothing about their usage pattern. In the UK patients details are held on a centralized database. AFAIK it doesn't matter whether you're in a doctors surgery, A&E department, or any other govt recognized medical facility - the patients records are pulled up on computer. That's a reasonable approach. As I'm sure you realize, in a system dominated by private practitioners, that would be hard to implement unless it was required by law. I hadn't put much thought ot it. I'm surprised there isn't some sort of centralized patient-record system by law, as no doubt a lack of one must cause a lot of issues. That said - I'm not entirely sure what happens to your records in the UK when you visit a private medical facility, as I use the NHS. In my opinion, the US needs some form of nationalized health care system. The present system just leaves too many people without any medical care at all. About the closest thing I've discovered here is the use of a database by several large pharmacy chains that have stores throughout the US, so if a patient tries to get a prescription filled at one store, it can quickly be checked for duplication - particularly if it is a "controlled substance" - a designation used in the US for many habit-forming drugs such as painkillers, tranquilizers, narcotics, etc. I'm sure William S. Burroughs would have found a way round that ;-) As would Rush Limbaugh Have you cosidered either biofeedback treatment or hypnosis for pain anaesthesia? I had a course in hypnosis in an attemtp to relieve "restless legs" (Ekbom syndrome). It was not successful in alleviating the underlying symptoms, but I did learn some techniques for coping with it. I suspect Mikey might also learn some useful techniques for managing pain. Well, at least you were open-minded enough and curious enough to investigate some non-chemical treatment options. I'm not suggesting that pain is purely psychological, but it's long been known that a specific person's perception of pain and their ability to tolerate it can be significantly influenced by psychological factors. Makes sense. The worst thing you can do with pain is try to "fight" it. As it happens, I have R2-3 nerve damage aka Meralgia parenthetica. Having previously learned various relaxtion (inclduing self hypnosis) and breathing techniques, I'd have to say they are useful in managing pain without chemicals. YMMV. Part of my practice involves teaching people how to relax. Ond of the most potent methods I use is progrressive muscular relaxation training, which is very similar to hypnotc relaxation inductions. It innvolves breathing exercises as well. Also very kinds of visual imagery that people can associate with being relaxed. These procedures are not only use with pain problems, but also, obviously, with many anxiety-based disorders, such as phobias, psychogenic sexual disorders involving performance anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, etc. ('ve also been trained in hypnosis and sometimes use it with well motivated patients. S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t ----------------------------------- It's Grim down south.. Bruce J. Richman |
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Paul Dormer wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" emitted : Very true. I mentioned that I've seen extensive oral surgery performed under hypnosis with no pain reactions by the patient. Also, it's well known that women have given birth under hypnosis with no anaesthesia and no evidence of pain being experienced. Also, there are various proponents of self-induced pain, including folk who suspend themselves from meathooks for laughs. I'm not suggesting Mikey should be hung from a meathook but......... ;-) Do you remember the famous scene from "On the Waterfront"? :-). Perhaps if the decide do a modernized version, they'll consider him. Speaking of self-induced pain, there are also people who walk on coals, lie on beds of nails, etc. The mind-body connectin can be very strong. Hypnosis is not designed to deal with the *cause* of the pain, but rather some of the major contributing factors such as muscular contractions that often arise from underlying conditions and cause pain. And of course, there is also a cerfain amount of expectancy involved with chronic pain patients. Hypnosis can work on this mental component and train a person to expect a a different outcome from the underlying biological condition. Biofeedback training in which a person is trained to relax muscle groups, for example, has also been used quite frequently in the treatment of back pain, tension headaches, and many other conditions. My last experience of biological feedback involved a stethoscope which I purchased from a vet. Freaked myself out!! :-) LOL ! That'snot quite what I had in mind. :-). When I was in high school and part of adolescent teenage smartasses that sometimes did sick jokes, we had a physics teacher who was hard of hearing, and wore a hearing aid with a rather large hearing device in his shirt pocket. (Hearing aids didn't used to be miniaturized and one piece). This teacher was also quite a dork - he had no sense of humor and often bored us with his complaints about everything. Anyhow, by prior arrangement, we decided to teach him a liesson. One day, he came into class and asked various students questions, we all moved our lips but didn't say anything. After a while, he figured his heaing aid wasn't working correctly, so he turned the volume way up. You can guess what happened the next time he asked a question ! Your story reminded me of that. Personally, if I'm going to listen to heart beats, I only want it to be on an audiophile version of Dark Side of the Moon. :-) S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t ----------------------------------- It's Grim down south.. Bruce J. Richman |
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