RAHE challenges Stereophile to DBT contest

[ludovic mirabel]

From: Arny Krueger )
Subject: Re: RAHE challenges Stereophile to a DBT contest


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Date: 2004-12-16 03:36:19 PST


"ludovic mirabel" <elmir2m @pacificcoast.net> wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ludovic mirabel" > wrote in message
>> om
>>> A. Krueger says:
>>> "When you can provide a good spec for the DBT that you want, let
me
>>> know"
>>>
>>> You don't like mine?
>>
>> There's hardly anything to like or not like. There's no substance.
>>
>>> That's OK. I only know of what passes for a valid
>>> DBT in medical research, is acceptable to reputable medical
journals
>>> and to your Federal Drug Administration.
>>
>> That's a hoot!
> I thought that a reasoned discussion could be held even
> with an old believer. I was wrong.


Agreed, given you are the old believer, Ludo.

The bottom line is that you're way out of your depth. There are formal
specifications of a proper blind testing methodologies that are
well-known
and readily availble to the public. You obviously aren't well-informed
enough to properly cite them. Come back when you buy, steal, borrow
or are
given a clue.

Mr. Krueger, ever since my Army days I was allergic to
people pulling rank when short of an answer. I was a full time
employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
Now that we got this out of the way I'll stop this
pointless and boring correspondence till you produce references to
articles showing that DBT/ABX had ever, ever permitted a reasonable-
sized panel to hear differences between comparable audio components.
Use any definition of DBT *YOU* like and stop quibbling.
Ludovic Mirabel

[Arny Krueger]

"ludovic mirabel" > wrote in message
om
> From: Arny Krueger )
> Subject: Re: RAHE challenges Stereophile to a DBT contest
>
>
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> Date: 2004-12-16 03:36:19 PST
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>
> "ludovic mirabel" <elmir2m @pacificcoast.net> wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ludovic mirabel" > wrote in message
>>> om
>>>> A. Krueger says:

>> The bottom line is that you're way out of your depth. There are formal
>> specifications of a proper blind testing methodologies that are
>> well-known and readily availble to the public. You obviously aren't
>> well-informed
>> enough to properly cite them. Come back when you buy, steal, borrow
>> or are given a clue.

> Mr. Krueger, ever since my Army days I was allergic to
> people pulling rank when short of an answer.

It's not a matter of rank Ludo, its a matter of practiciality. Given your
well-known nit-picking ways, nobody in their right mind would attempt to
deal with you without a detailed spec provided by your sweet self.

> I was a full time
> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
> DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.

Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word, noted.

I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my familiarity with
them at or near the half-century mark. If you want to criticize that, be my
guest.

Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research Ccil"
mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!

> Use any definition of DBT *YOU* like and stop quibbling.

No Ludo, you provide the detailed spec. If you can't be bothered, then that
is that. Fine with me!

[dave weil]

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> I was a full time
>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
>> DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>
>Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word, noted.
>
>I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my familiarity with
>them at or near the half-century mark. If you want to criticize that, be my
>guest.
>
>Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research Ccil"
>mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!

Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.

[Tom Aurand]

dave weil wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>I was a full time
>>>employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
>>>DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>
>>Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word, noted.
>>
>>I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my familiarity with
>>them at or near the half-century mark. If you want to criticize that, be my
>>guest.
>>
>>Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research Ccil"
>>mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!
>
>
> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.

FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> No Ludo, you provide the detailed spec. If you can't be bothered, then
> that is that. Fine with me!
>
>

A position for which you not uand for which you are not likely
able to acheive.

[Tom Aurand]

Tom Aurand wrote:

> dave weil wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I was a full time
>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
>>>> DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>
>>>
>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word, noted.
>>>
>>> I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my familiarity
>>> with them at or near the half-century mark. If you want to criticize
>>> that, be my guest.
>>>
>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!
>>
>>
>>
>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>
>
> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.
>
Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.

[Arny Krueger]

"Tom Aurand" > wrote in message

> Tom Aurand wrote:
>
>> dave weil wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I was a full time
>>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very
>>>>> cradle of DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word,
>>>> noted. I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my
>>>> familiarity with them at or near the half-century mark. If you
>>>> want to criticize that, be my guest.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time
>>>> employee!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>>
>>
>> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.

> Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.

Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running beer and
groveling for tips, I hear tell.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:05:41 -0700, Tom Aurand
> wrote:

>
>
>Tom Aurand wrote:
>
>> dave weil wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I was a full time
>>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
>>>>> DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word, noted.
>>>>
>>>> I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my familiarity
>>>> with them at or near the half-century mark. If you want to criticize
>>>> that, be my guest.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>>
>>
>> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.
>>
>Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.

Maybe they should teach you to read there at Colorado State.

And to think I thought it was an institution of higher learning.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:12:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Tom Aurand" > wrote in message

>> Tom Aurand wrote:
>>
>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I was a full time
>>>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very
>>>>>> cradle of DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word,
>>>>> noted. I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my
>>>>> familiarity with them at or near the half-century mark. If you
>>>>> want to criticize that, be my guest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time
>>>>> employee!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>>>
>>>
>>> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.
>
>> Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.
>
>Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
>something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running beer and
>groveling for tips, I hear tell.

And I heard that you build computers in your underwear.

Your point being?

[Bruce J. Richman]

Dave Weil wrote:


>On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:05:41 -0700, Tom Aurand
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Tom Aurand wrote:
>>
>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I was a full time
>>>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
>>>>>> DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word, noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my familiarity
>>>>> with them at or near the half-century mark. If you want to criticize
>>>>> that, be my guest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>>>
>>>
>>> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.
>>>
>>Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.
>
>Maybe they should teach you to read there at Colorado State.
>
>And to think I thought it was an institution of higher learning.
>
>

Don't forget that lots of people can use university ISP's. They are not all
either students or faculty. There used to be a "clerk" that posted from such
an address. You know the rest :(



Bruce J. Richman

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:12:12 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>>
>>Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
>>something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running beer and
>>groveling for tips, I hear tell.
>
> And I heard that you build computers in your underwear.
>

One plugs in the monitor just beneath the brown stripe.

[ludovic mirabel]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ludovic mirabel" > wrote in message
> om
>> From: Arny Krueger )
>> Subject: Re: RAHE challenges Stereophile to a DBT contest
>>
>>
>> Mr. Krueger, ever since my Army days I was allergic to
>> people pulling rank when short of an answer.
>
>> I was a full time
>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very cradle of
>> DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>
>
You're trapped in your own lies about having "ZILLIONS" of
references to positive ABX?DBT by a panel when in fact you can't quote a
single one.
And how do you deal with it?
First you try the "switch and bait" diversion to a
definition of DBT that you hope to argue about forever.
When that doesn't work there is always slander:
> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research Ccil.
> mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!
It is a puzzle to me why do you insist on confirming the
worst that people say about you. But then I'm a cardiologist not a shrink
L. Mirabel. M.D., MB,CHB Ed (1947), MRCP (Ed.) (1952), FRCP
(Canada) (1953)

[ludovic mirabel]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research Ccil"
> mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time employee!

P.S. Before you rush to the keyboard. to try more insinuation to divert
attention from your imaginary "zillions"
I was full-time researcher in Schistosomiasis Research unit of the
Med. Res. Ccil. of U.K. 1951- 1952 nr. Luton Herts., England.
L.M.
..

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 12/17/2004 11:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Tom Aurand" > wrote in message

>> Tom Aurand wrote:
>>
>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I was a full time
>>>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very
>>>>>> cradle of DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word,
>>>>> noted. I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my
>>>>> familiarity with them at or near the half-century mark. If you
>>>>> want to criticize that, be my guest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time
>>>>> employee!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>>>
>>>
>>> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.
>
>> Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.
>
>Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
>something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running beer and
>groveling for tips, I hear tell.
>
>

At least he is doing what he wants in life.

[Clyde Slick]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Arny Krueger"
>>Date: 12/17/2004 11:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>"Tom Aurand" > wrote in message

>>> Tom Aurand wrote:
>>>
>>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was a full time
>>>>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very
>>>>>>> cradle of DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word,
>>>>>> noted. I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my
>>>>>> familiarity with them at or near the half-century mark. If you
>>>>>> want to criticize that, be my guest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>>>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time
>>>>>> employee!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.
>>
>>> Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.
>>
>>Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
>>something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running beer and
>>groveling for tips, I hear tell.
>>
>>
>
> At least he is doing what he wants in life.
>

So does Arny. He likes to play the martyr.
It's part of his Jesus complex.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Clyde Slick"
>Date: 12/17/2004 10:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: "Arny Krueger"
>>>Date: 12/17/2004 11:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>"Tom Aurand" > wrote in message

>>>> Tom Aurand wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:22:30 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was a full time
>>>>>>>> employee of the Medical Research Ccil. of the U.K., the very
>>>>>>>> cradle of DBTS , long before you ever heard the word.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Delusions of omnisicence relative to when I ever heard the word,
>>>>>>> noted. I've known about DBTs since the late 1960s. That puts my
>>>>>>> familiarity with them at or near the half-century mark. If you
>>>>>>> want to criticize that, be my guest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides, what does " full time employee of the Medical Research
>>>>>>> Ccil" mean - you know their janitor is probably a full-time
>>>>>>> employee!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poor Arnold. Out been-there-done-that'ed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FINALLY, a whit of wit out of Weil.
>>>
>>>> Whoops. I misread. It wasn't clever.
>>>
>>>Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
>>>something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running beer and
>>>groveling for tips, I hear tell.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> At least he is doing what he wants in life.
>>
>
>So does Arny. He likes to play the martyr.
>It's part of his Jesus complex.
>
>
>
I kind of doubt arny really is doing what he wants with his life. I suspect he
wishes he were a real player in the audio industry. I think such disapointment
could go a long ways towards explaining his behaviour.

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 12/17/2004 11:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >

>> Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
>> something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running
>> beer and groveling for tips, I hear tell.

> At least he is doing what he wants in life.

How do you know that?

How do you know that others aren't?

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message


> I kind of doubt arny really is doing what he wants with his life.

Actually, I'm having too much fun.

> I suspect he wishes he were a real player in the audio industry.

I don't even know what that means. Please explain.

> I think such disapointment could go a long ways towards explaining his
> behaviour.

I think that the explanation is a lot more obvious. I like talking about
audio and figuratively kicking golden ear ass. I talk audio with real
people, and kick golden ear ass with real idiots such as yourself, Scott.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:41:11 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>I suspect he wishes he were a real player in the audio industry.
>
>I don't even know what that means.

That says just about everything, doesn't it?

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 12/18/2004 2:38 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 12/17/2004 11:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>
>>> Agreed. Just goes to show that even when you wish that Weil would say
>>> something witty, he disappoints. Weil does a great job of running
>>> beer and groveling for tips, I hear tell.
>
>> At least he is doing what he wants in life.
>
>How do you know that?

He said so.


>
>How do you know that others aren't?

Some peoples' bitterness and discontent shows through their everyday words and
actions (or inactions). Such bitterness and discontent can be an obvious sign
that one is not happy with the journy thier life has taken.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 12/18/2004 2:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>
>> I kind of doubt arny really is doing what he wants with his life.
>
>Actually, I'm having too much fun.

Yeah, right.


>
>> I suspect he wishes he were a real player in the audio industry.
>
>I don't even know what that means. Please explain.

Player is a significant participant. A person of influence in a given industry
who makes important things happen within that given field.


>
>> I think such disapointment could go a long ways towards explaining his
>> behaviour.
>
>I think that the explanation is a lot more obvious. I like talking about
>audio and figuratively kicking golden ear ass. I talk audio with real
>people, and kick golden ear ass with real idiots such as yourself, Scott.

See you live with disappointment on a daily basis. It has eaten away your
humanity. It's no wonder you see nothing wrong with calling someone a pedophile
when all they did was kick your proverbial ass in a debate over audio. That is
not normal behaviour Arny.