Re: Question For Trevor

[Trevor Wilson]

"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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> You don't suppose that they also gather their own intel through other
> sources, do you?

**Of course. They just chose to ignore them and rely on (incorrect) US
sources.

>
> The point is simple, Bush is not in charge of the CIA, which was saying
> the same thing before Bush took office, indeed Tenet was CIA director
> under Bill Clinton.

**Then Dubya needs to clear out the CIA and any other intelligence agencies
he used. Clearly, they don't have a clue. Why has he not done this? Such
incompetence should not be rewarded.

>
> There was no sudden shift in opinion from the intelligence community to
> start claiming something they had not been saying previously.
>
> Personally I wish they had gotten more accurate intel, it makes things
> much easier.
>
> Claiming Bush made it up or that the CIA was in cahoots to try and bring
> false info in order to start a war is simply not backed up by any facts
> from any source.

**Then why has Dubya not cleared out the CIA of all the incompetent people.
Clearly, the CIA is riddled with morons.

>
> Not that such things are important to the left, especially in an election
> year.

**Good intelligence information IS important. Why has Dubya left the CIA
alone? He needs to weed out the idiots NOW.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Michael McKelvy]

"Trevor Wilson" > wrote in message
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> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>> You don't suppose that they also gather their own intel through other
>> sources, do you?
>
> **Of course. They just chose to ignore them and rely on (incorrect) US
> sources.
>
How do you know they didn't all reach the same conclusion, independently?

>>
>> The point is simple, Bush is not in charge of the CIA, which was saying
>> the same thing before Bush took office, indeed Tenet was CIA director
>> under Bill Clinton.
>
> **Then Dubya needs to clear out the CIA and any other intelligence
> agencies he used. Clearly, they don't have a clue. Why has he not done
> this? Such
> incompetence should not be rewarded.
>
Because in other situations they have been on target and correct.
Because it is not a perfect art.


>>
>> There was no sudden shift in opinion from the intelligence community to
>> start claiming something they had not been saying previously.
>>
>> Personally I wish they had gotten more accurate intel, it makes things
>> much easier.
>>
>> Claiming Bush made it up or that the CIA was in cahoots to try and bring
>> false info in order to start a war is simply not backed up by any facts
>> from any source.
>
> **Then why has Dubya not cleared out the CIA of all the incompetent
> people. Clearly, the CIA is riddled with morons.
>
Not really, it made an apparent mistake, that is unless the information was
true and Saddam hid the stuff.

>>
>> Not that such things are important to the left, especially in an election
>> year.
>
> **Good intelligence information IS important.

You should try getting some.

[Trevor Wilson]

"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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> "Trevor Wilson" > wrote in message
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>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>>> You don't suppose that they also gather their own intel through other
>>> sources, do you?
>>
>> **Of course. They just chose to ignore them and rely on (incorrect) US
>> sources.
>>
> How do you know they didn't all reach the same conclusion, independently?

**Because at least one Australian intel guy quit his job, after being
ignored by the government. He, at least, had the balls to stand up to the
government. Then there's those pesky UN reports, which stated that Saddam
did not have the capacity to develop WMDs any longer. Moreover, the UN had
already stated that most of the existing WMDs had been destroyed.

>
>>>
>>> The point is simple, Bush is not in charge of the CIA, which was saying
>>> the same thing before Bush took office, indeed Tenet was CIA director
>>> under Bill Clinton.
>>
>> **Then Dubya needs to clear out the CIA and any other intelligence
>> agencies he used. Clearly, they don't have a clue. Why has he not done
>> this? Such
>> incompetence should not be rewarded.
>>
> Because in other situations they have been on target and correct.
> Because it is not a perfect art.

**It is, when there is abundant eviddence to draw on. The UN had all the
information the CIA required.


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>
>>>
>>> There was no sudden shift in opinion from the intelligence community to
>>> start claiming something they had not been saying previously.
>>>
>>> Personally I wish they had gotten more accurate intel, it makes things
>>> much easier.
>>>
>>> Claiming Bush made it up or that the CIA was in cahoots to try and bring
>>> false info in order to start a war is simply not backed up by any facts
>>> from any source.
>>
>> **Then why has Dubya not cleared out the CIA of all the incompetent
>> people. Clearly, the CIA is riddled with morons.
>>
> Not really, it made an apparent mistake, that is unless the information
> was true and Saddam hid the stuff.

**A "mistake" which has cost the lives of thousands of people. Someone needs
to pay for that "mistake".


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Clyde Slick]

"Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>
> It's not a gamble, it's a matter of history. Everybody we we defeat winds
> up being left better off than before.
>
Except for Native Americans and the subjugation (though
not from war) of blacks.

[Schizoid Man]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message

> > It's not a gamble, it's a matter of history. Everybody we we defeat
winds
> > up being left better off than before.
> >
> Except for Native Americans and the subjugation (though
> not from war) of blacks.

True. Grenada is so much better off now.

[Trevor Wilson]

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
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> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>> > It's not a gamble, it's a matter of history. Everybody we we defeat
> winds
>> > up being left better off than before.
>> >
>> Except for Native Americans and the subjugation (though
>> not from war) of blacks.
>
> True. Grenada is so much better off now.

**It is a great pity that Vietnam did not lose. They would be much better
off.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Michael McKelvy]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>> It's not a gamble, it's a matter of history. Everybody we we defeat
>> winds up being left better off than before.
>>
> Except for Native Americans and the subjugation (though
> not from war) of blacks.
I was thinking only of modern wars.

[Lionel]

Lionel wrote:

>>>> France is one of the countries whose Intelligence gathering agencies
>>>> said Saddam had WMD.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you supply supports to your above statement ?
>>> I hope you can read french. ;-)
>
>
> You forgot to supply evidence of your above statement :
> "France is one of the countries whose Intelligence gathering agencies
> said Saddam had WMD"

[MINe 109]

In article et>,
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote:

> Dick Cheney has no influence or control over Haliburton.

It's the other way round we're worried about.

[Michael McKelvy]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
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> In article et>,
> "Michael McKelvy" > wrote:
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>> Dick Cheney has no influence or control over Haliburton.
>
> It's the other way round we're worried about.


Of course because he's a Republican, if he were a Democrat it would be OK.

[MINe 109]

In article . net>,
"Michael McKelvy" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article et>,
> > "Michael McKelvy" > wrote:
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> >> Dick Cheney has no influence or control over Haliburton.
> >
> > It's the other way round we're worried about.
>
>
> Of course because he's a Republican, if he were a Democrat it would be OK.

Nonsense.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> MINe 109 said:
>
> > > >> Dick Cheney has no influence or control over Haliburton.
>
> > > > It's the other way round we're worried about.
>
> > > Of course because he's a Republican, if he were a Democrat it would be
> > > OK.
>
> > Nonsense.
>
> I'm sure Mickey thought Bill Clinton's antics were much worse for the
> public trust than your basic graft and corruption.

Lobbing cruise missiles at tents turns out to be harder than he thought.

Stephen