Re: Oh, ****

[Sander deWaal]

The Devil > said:

>A seriously bad day for out-on-the-edge audio.
>http://www.1st-4-audio.com/control/news/anmviewer.asp?a=161&z=5

I suspect there will be stock for years to come.
Prices will go thru the roof, though.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Arny Krueger]

"The Devil" > wrote in message
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> A seriously bad day for out-on-the-edge audio.
>
> http://www.1st-4-audio.com/control/news/anmviewer.asp?a=161&z=5

No, just another example of how snake oil doesn't *keep*.

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>> A seriously bad day for out-on-the-edge audio.
>> http://www.1st-4-audio.com/control/news/anmviewer.asp?a=161&z=5

>No, just another example of how snake oil doesn't *keep*.

When kept in safe storage in good amplifiers, they'll have a long and
prosperous life ;-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Arny Krueger]

"The Devil" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:32:49 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
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>>> http://www.1st-4-audio.com/control/news/anmviewer.asp?a=161&z=5
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>> No, just another example of how snake oil doesn't *keep*.
>
> It's funny you would call them 'snake oil', actually. The capacitors'
> superior performance in every respect has seen them used in TVs,
> videos, DVD players, CD players, test equipment--anything that
> requires an extremely high performance capacitor. Indeed, to measure
> just how fantastic their performance is, the test equipment itself has
> to be modified with Black Gates. Search the web if you don't believe
> me.

Please quantify, in standard technical terms, the alleged superior
performance of these parts.

[Sander deWaal]

The Devil > said:

>You mean to sell them? I don't have an Ebay account. I will be
>stocking up, but certainly not to sell them. I wonder whether the
>inventors will license another manufacturer to produce them. I hope
>so. I don't believe in magic, but I do believe in Black Gates. :-)

Do remember that they age rather quickly.
Best way to "store" them is to keep them happy under supply voltage.
I.e in an amplifier :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[JBorg]

> Roger McDodger" wrote in message
>> "The Devil" emitted :
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>>> Time to stock up for Ebay....
>>
>> You mean to sell them?
>
> Somebody's gonna...
>
>> I don't have an Ebay account.
>
> Ebay is great. You should try it!



I'm about 10 miles away from Ebay's corporate HQ.
They have lovely receptionist. I can help open an account.

[JBorg]

>Sander deWaal wrote in message
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> Do remember that they age rather quickly.
> Best way to "store" them is to keep them happy under supply voltage.
> I.e in an amplifier :-)


I'm currently not using my line level tube preamp made by Audio Research.
It uses (4) 6922. Is it better to keep it plug then ?


Incidentally, I replaced it with a McKintosh C-41 preamp many moons ago.

[JBorg]

Mcintosh C41

[Arny Krueger]

"The Devil" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:53:31 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
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>> Please quantify, in standard technical terms, the alleged superior
>> performance of these parts.
>
> Do your own research.

Thanks for admitting that you don't know what you are talking about, Devil.

[Arny Krueger]

"The Devil" > wrote in message
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> No doubt. The price of the excellent Cerafine capacitors went through
> the roof when production stopped. The BGs are already very, very
> expensive compared to alternatives, so only God knows what'll happen
> when supplies become scarce.

Perhaps, people will stop being distracted from real technology by pretend
snake-oil products.

[Arny Krueger]

"The Devil" > wrote in message
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> The ones I'm particularly interested in are the WKZ 'Heart of Muse'
> types. They have very long life. For the capacitors to retain their,
> um, 'magic' they have to be used regularly. If they're not used for a
> few weeks, then they need between fifty and a hundred hours in circuit
> to come back to life. Keeping capacitors on the shelf for a long time
> won't hurt them--they'll just need to go through the burn-in process
> from new, i.e. about a hundred hours in circuit.

Devil, you forgot the part where you dab fresh chicken blood on the
capacitors to make them sound good.

[Sander deWaal]

"JBorg" > said:

>> Do remember that they age rather quickly.
>> Best way to "store" them is to keep them happy under supply voltage.
>> I.e in an amplifier :-)

>I'm currently not using my line level tube preamp made by Audio Research.
>It uses (4) 6922. Is it better to keep it plug then ?

I doubt if your ARC has Black Gates stock.
For the tubes it's no problem.
The electrolytics may need to form again after several years.
Best way to do this is to use a variac at first.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Sander deWaal]

The Devil > said:

>>Do remember that they age rather quickly.
>>Best way to "store" them is to keep them happy under supply voltage.
>>I.e in an amplifier :-)

>The ones I'm particularly interested in are the WKZ 'Heart of Muse'
>types. They have very long life. For the capacitors to retain their,
>um, 'magic' they have to be used regularly. If they're not used for a
>few weeks, then they need between fifty and a hundred hours in circuit
>to come back to life. Keeping capacitors on the shelf for a long time
>won't hurt them--they'll just need to go through the burn-in process
>from new, i.e. about a hundred hours in circuit.

What I really meant is that there's the need of forming them again.
Putting any elcap after a few years cold on 400 volts or so will ruin
the dielectric. BGs are no exception, in fact they're more sensitive
to proper burning in.
Chances are that after several years of storage, they'll never come
back to their initial parameters at all.
This goes for FKs, but I see no reason why the WKZ would be any
different.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[JBorg]

> Sander deWaal wrote in message
> "JBorg" said:
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>>> Do remember that they age rather quickly.
>>> Best way to "store" them is to keep them happy under supply voltage.
>>> I.e in an amplifier :-)
>
>> I'm currently not using my line level tube preamp made by Audio
>> Research. It uses (4) 6922. Is it better to keep it plug then ?
>
> I doubt if your ARC has Black Gates stock.
> For the tubes it's no problem.
> The electrolytics may need to form again after several years.
> Best way to do this is to use a variac at first.


You are an archangel. You should be hug, love, and protected.

My blessing to you and yours.

[Sander deWaal]

"JBorg" > said:

>You are an archangel.

I am?

> You should be hug, love, and protected.

Usually, my wife provides those functions ;-)

>My blessing to you and yours.

Thanks. I feel much better now, note.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."