LP sales up 89%

[Boon]

Very interesting. Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
have nothing to do with it.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/neilson-soundscan-2008-sales-f/

Boon

[MiNe 109]

In article
>,
Boon > wrote:

> Very interesting. Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
> have nothing to do with it.
>
> http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/neilson-soundscan-2008-sales-f/

Fleet Foxes? Not exactly club material!

http://www.myspace.com/fleetfoxes

Stephen

[Boon]

On Jan 9, 10:07�am, MiNe 109 > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> �Boon > wrote:
> > Very interesting. �Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
> > have nothing to do with it.
>
> >http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/neilson-soundscan-2008-sales-f/
>
> Fleet Foxes? Not exactly club material!
>
> http://www.myspace.com/fleetfoxes

I saw the Fleet Foxes up in Seattle and reviewed the show. Absolutely
amazing. I picked their debut as the best album of 2007.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...
> Very interesting. Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
> have nothing to do with it.
>
> http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/neilson-soundscan-2008-sales-f/
>


It's difficult to establish what percentage of the total sales vinyl
actualty represents. If it were 1%, then a sales increase of 89%
would still mean <2% of the total market.

But it's good that, against all predictions, vinyl is still going.
Some recent pressings that I have heard have been very good
indeed. Even at USD 50 I still think a double LP is a
worthwhile purchase. Look at it this way, if you keep it
for many years, and enjoy it say 100 times, that's USD2
for forty minutes of musical pleasure.

As a Swedish pal of mine is fond of saying -
"small potatoes" :-)

Iain

[Clyde Slick]

On 10 Ian, 07:05, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Very interesting. *Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
> > have nothing to do with it.
>
> >http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/neilson-soundscan-2008-sales-f/
>
> It's difficult to establish what percentage of the total sales vinyl
> actualty represents. If it were 1%, then a sales increase of 89%
> would still mean <2% of the total market.
>
> But it's good that, against all predictions, vinyl is still going.
> Some recent pressings that I have heard have been very good
> indeed. *Even at USD 50 I still think a double LP is a
> worthwhile purchase. *Look at it this way, if you keep it
> for many years, and enjoy it say 100 times, that's USD2
> for forty minutes of musical pleasure.
>
> As a Swedish pal of mine is fond of saying -
> "small potatoes" *:-)
>
> Iain

I noticed that.
In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
And the meatballs, too.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
> And the meatballs, too.

How's the diet coming, Chubbo?

[Clyde Slick]

On 10 Ian, 09:39, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
> > And the meatballs, too.
>
> How's the diet coming, Chubbo?

http://www.katsuyoshi.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/arg-mendoza-steak.JPG

[Boon]

On Jan 10, 4:05�am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Very interesting. �Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
> > have nothing to do with it.
>
> >http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/neilson-soundscan-2008-sales-f/
>
> It's difficult to establish what percentage of the total sales vinyl
> actualty represents. If it were 1%, then a sales increase of 89%
> would still mean <2% of the total market.
>
> But it's good that, against all predictions, vinyl is still going.
> Some recent pressings that I have heard have been very good
> indeed. �Even at USD 50 I still think a double LP is a
> worthwhile purchase. �Look at it this way, if you keep it
> for many years, and enjoy it say 100 times, that's USD2
> for forty minutes of musical pleasure.
>
> As a Swedish pal of mine is fond of saying -
> "small potatoes" �:-)
>
> Iain

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few. Downloading seems to be killing the CD, and yet vinyl is
thriving. There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
become a niche segment. But 89%, and a good 25 years after people
predicted that CDs would kill the LP? Cool!

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 10, 8:24�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 10 Ian, 09:39, George M. Middius > wrote:
>
> > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
> > > And the meatballs, too.
>
> > How's the diet coming, Chubbo?
>
> http://www.katsuyoshi.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/arg-mendoza...

As long as you don't stick it between two slices of Wonder Bread, you
should be fine.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...

>The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
>few.

It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.

>Downloading seems to be killing the CD,

That's the intention of the music industry. The absence
of manufacturing and distribution costs increases the
profit margin on download material.

>and yet vinyl is thriving.

Well, let's say "refusing to die"
The big difference now is that people are willing to
pay fore quality, and also QC control on vinyl pressings
is far better than it was in the 1970s

>There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
>become a niche segment. But 89%,

But, an 89% increase from what figure? Many people
guess at 1%. No firm data seems to be available.

> and a good 25 years
> after people
> predicted that CDs would kill the LP? Cool!

Indeed:-)

Iain

[Boon]

On Jan 11, 5:20�am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
> >few.
>
> It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
> the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.

I would agree. To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
definitely hurting the whole LP revival.

>
> >Downloading seems to be killing the CD,
>
> That's the intention of the music industry. The absence
> of manufacturing and distribution costs increases the
> profit margin on download material.

Absolutely true.

>
> >and yet vinyl is thriving.
>
> Well, let's say "refusing to die"

If 89% is an accurate figure, it's definitely thriving.

> The big difference now is that people are willing to
> pay fore quality, and also QC control on vinyl pressings
> is far better than it was in the 1970s

RTI recently had huge QC problems, with many titles arriving damaged.
My guess was that a pallet was knocked over somewhere, and they
quickly put it back together without checking. That put a dent in the
vinyl movement this year.

>
> >There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
> >become a niche segment. �But 89%,
>
> But, an 89% increase from what figure? �Many people
> guess at 1%. �No firm data seems to be available.

That has always been the problem. For years, RIAA figures have been
incomplete at best because they do not include sales where vinyl is
the most active, such as specialty retailers (i.e. high-end salons)
and online auctions. But the figure over the last few years has
hovered steadily around the 1 million mark. To see it jump closer to 2
million is very exciting.

A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest online LP seller
told me that his sales were up 40% over the previous year. Idiots
like Arny immediately wanted to know who said it and where was the URL
to support this "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being
conservative.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest
> online LP seller told me that his sales were up 40% over
> the previous year. Critical thinkers like Arny immediately wanted
> to know who said it and where was the URL to support this
> "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was just a figment of
> my imagination because I couldn't prove anything.

As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

[Clyde Slick]

On 11 Ian, 21:17, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest
> > online LP seller told me that his sales were up 40% over
> > the previous year. *Critical thinkers like Arny immediately wanted
> > to know who said it and where was the URL to support this
> > "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was just a figment of
> > my imagination because I couldn't prove anything.
>
> As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

its time to save your soul and confess your phony KP allegaqtions

[Boon]

On Jan 11, 6:17�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest
> > online LP seller told me that his sales were up 40% over
> > the previous year. �Idiots like Arny immediately wanted
> > to know who said it and where was the URL to support this
> > "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being conservative.

>
> As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

What are you talking about?

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 11, 8:17*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

Prove it.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!
>
> Prove it.

I'm not one to go to bat for Mr. ****, but since he has no soul, he can't
prove confession works.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
> >few.
>
>> It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
>> the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.

>I would agree. To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
>releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
>definitely hurting the whole LP revival.

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?
Almost without exception, masters are digital these days.

But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
various versions of the same material issued, then
remastered several times over the interval of a
few years. The CDs get louder and louder,
brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
range. This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)

>RTI recently had huge QC problems, with many titles arriving damaged.
>My guess was that a pallet was knocked over somewhere, and they
>quickly put it back together without checking. That put a dent in the
>vinyl movement this year.

I recently ordered a double album from Elusive Disc. They sent me
an e-mail to say that all stock copies of the gatefold sleeve had a
crease in the top right corner (record factories in the UK used to call
this a "crumpled ear") They asked if I would prefer to cancel the order.
That level of attention to quality is previously unseen.

>
> >There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
> >become a niche segment. ?But 89%,
>
> But, an 89% increase from what figure? ?Many people
> guess at 1%. ?No firm data seems to be available.

>That has always been the problem. For years, RIAA figures have been
>incomplete at best because they do not include sales where vinyl is
>the most active, such as specialty retailers (i.e. high-end salons)
>and online auctions. But the figure over the last few years has
>hovered steadily around the 1 million mark. To see it jump closer to 2
>million is very exciting.

Indeed it is. There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. These
are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.

>A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest online LP seller
>told me that his sales were up 40% over the previous year. Idiots
>like Arny immediately wanted to know who said it and where was the URL
>to support this "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being
>conservative.

The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.

I don't know the situation in the US, but in the EU the past
couple of years have seen the opening of shops selling vinyl only.
A chap I know in Stockholm has such a shop, in addition to his
hi-fi shop. He's a pretty smart business man. I am pretty sure he
could see potential there.

Maybe there is a business opportunity for your pal Arny.
He could squat in a burnt-out shop in Detroit and sell pirate
LP pressings of the Full Gospell Baptist Fellowship Massed Choir
"Bow Down and Worship Him", recorded by the excellent Joe Neil.

Iain

[Clyde Slick]

On 12 Ian, 04:56, "Iain Churches" > wrote:

>
> Maybe there is a *business opportunity for your pal Arny.
> He could squat in a burnt-out shop in Detroit and sell pirate
> LP pressings of the Full Gospell Baptist Fellowship Massed Choir
> "Bow Down and Worship Him", recorded by the excellent Joe Neil.
>
> Iain


Or he can put up a 'lemonade stand"
in front of the Grosse Point Woods Baptist Church
and sell LP pressings of his own
church choir recording.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
ti.fi

> Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
> from analogue tapes?

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

> Almost without exception, masters are digital these days.

An apparently little-known truth that many digital-haters would prefer not
to know.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> ti.fi
>
>> Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
>> from analogue tapes?
>
> Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

>> Almost without exception, masters are digital these days.
>
> An apparently little-known truth that many digital-haters would prefer not
> to know.

Incorrect. People have no objection to the fact that the
original is digital (Mst probably don't even know - this
would make an interesting question in a poll)



What they *do* object to, and strongly, is the fact

that so many CDs are poorly mastered, thus obviating

totally the inherent advantages that the format offers.



Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> ti.fi
>>
>>> Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
>>> from analogue tapes?
>>
>> Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.
>
>>> Almost without exception, masters are digital these
>>> days.
>>
>> An apparently little-known truth that many
>> digital-haters would prefer not to know.

> Incorrect.

Actually Iain, you're just disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable.

You don't know the facts well enough to have an informed opinion, and you
say as much below:

> People have no objection to the fact that the
> original is digital (Mst probably don't even know - this
> would make an interesting question in a poll)

> What they *do* object to, and strongly, is the fact
> that so many CDs are poorly mastered, thus obviating
> totally the inherent advantages that the format offers.

But that is a general problem Iain, and not one that is restricted to
digital-haters.

Congrats - two hostile, irrelevant but seemingly self-aggrandizing
statements in just one post.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:56�am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
> > "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> > >The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
> > >few.
>
> >> It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
> >> the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.
> >I would agree. �To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
> >releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
> >definitely hurting the whole LP revival.
>
> Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
> from analogue tapes?

Ah, in a perfect world.

> Almost without exception, �masters are digital these days.

The White Stripes have been able to get it done with analog AFAIK. I
don't mind the digital masters as much, but some LPs have apparently
been mastered from CDs, not masters.

>
> But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
> various versions of the same material issued, then
> remastered several times over the interval of a
> few years. �The CDs get louder and louder,
> brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
> range. �This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)

Ah yes, the Loudness Wars.

>
> >RTI recently had huge QC problems, with many titles arriving damaged.
> >My guess was that a pallet was knocked over somewhere, and they
> >quickly put it back together without checking. That put a dent in the
> >vinyl movement this year.
>
> �I recently ordered a double album from Elusive Disc. �They sent me
> an e-mail to say that all stock copies of the gatefold sleeve had a
> crease in the top right corner (record factories in the UK used to call
> this a "crumpled ear") They asked if I would prefer to cancel the order.
> That level of attention to quality is previously unseen.

I've always liked the customer service of Elusive Disc.

>
>
>
> > >There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
> > >become a niche segment. ?But 89%,
>
> > But, an 89% increase from what figure? ?Many people
> > guess at 1%. ?No firm data seems to be available.
> >That has always been the problem. For years, RIAA figures have been
> >incomplete at best because they do not include sales where vinyl is
> >the most active, such as specialty retailers (i.e. high-end salons)
> >and online auctions. �But the figure over the last few years has
> >hovered steadily around the 1 million mark. To see it jump closer to 2
> >million is very exciting.
>
> Indeed it is. �There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
> pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. �These
> are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.

Not according to Arny, who believes that LP sales are being
artificially inflated by the "turntablists."

>
> >A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest online LP seller
> >told me that his sales were up 40% over the previous year. �Idiots
> >like Arny immediately wanted to know who said it and where was the URL
> >to support this "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being
> >conservative.
>
> The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
> hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.

Excellent! I'm not sure what the RTI figures are, but I've visited on
a number of occasions and they had warehouses stacked with product and
were pressing like mad.

>
> I don't know the situation in the US, but in the EU the past
> couple of years have seen the opening of shops selling vinyl only.
> A chap I know in Stockholm has such a shop, in addition to his
> hi-fi shop. He's a pretty smart business man. I am pretty sure he
> could see potential there.

I haven't seen too much of that here in the US...it's always a mix.

>
> Maybe there is a �business opportunity for your pal Arny.
> He could squat in a burnt-out shop in Detroit and sell pirate
> LP pressings of the Full Gospell Baptist Fellowship Massed Choir
> "Bow Down and Worship Him", recorded by the excellent Joe Neil.

LOL!


Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 1:56?am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
> > "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > >The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
> > >few.
>
> >> It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
> >> the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.
> >I would agree. ?To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
> >releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
> >definitely hurting the whole LP revival.
>
> Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
> from analogue tapes?

>Ah, in a perfect world.

Well it could easily be done, if the demand was there.
It's a simple job to make an analogue tape from a
digital original, and the analogue would still be first
generation by definition.

>> Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these days.

>The White Stripes have been able to get it done with analog AFAIK.

That's a Detroit band isn't it? Maybe your pal Arny did
the mastering:-) LOL.


>I don't mind the digital masters as much, but some LPs have apparently
>been mastered from CDs, not masters.

Hmm. Interesting point. Personally, if the CD used is a precise
unblemished clone of the studio master, then I can see nothing
wrong with that. After all, one can make 100 generations of
digital copies (clones) and the 100th will be indistinguishable
from the first. But if the CD has been given the "smiley treatment"
in mastering, then it is useless.

>> But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
>> various versions of the same material issued, then
>> remastered several times over the interval of a
>> few years. ?The CDs get louder and louder,
>> brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
>> range. ?This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)

>Ah yes, the Loudness Wars.

It's probably even more virulent in the US than over here.
In fact, several radio stations in the Stockholm area that play
jazz, proudly announce, "no broadcast compression"

> I've always liked the customer service of Elusive Disc.

Yes. I am very happy to buy from them.

>> Indeed it is. ?There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
>> pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. ?These
>> are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.

>Not according to Arny, who believes that LP sales are being
>artificially inflated by the "turntablists."

I take little notice of anything Arny says for two reasons.
1. He knows very little indeed which is of interest to me
2. The little he does know is subject to the most hideous bias.

>> The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
>> hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.

>Excellent! I'm not sure what the RTI figures are, but I've visited on
>a number of occasions and they had warehouses stacked with product and
>were pressing like mad.

I haven't seen the latest BPI figts for the UK, but I understand that
the former EMI factory has all presses running. Hopefully, they
will not get orders beyond capacity as that is when quality starts
to suffer. The first place a pressing plant tries to save time is in
the pressing/cooling cycle. When I used to go to theDecca
factory, I could aways make my way straight to the presses
tha were making the full price classical LPs, they were running
much slower than the others:-)

>>Vinyl outlets (snip)
>I haven't seen too much of that here in the US...it's always a mix.

I chuckle whe I go to fairs, and see hundreds of people
milling around the vinyl sales areas. Few people are looking
at the CD, even though they cost as little as 2 Euros!

Nice to chat with you on a sensible audio thread, Boon.

Best regards
Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>> ti.fi
>>>
>>>> Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
>>>> from analogue tapes?
>>>
>>> Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.
>>
>>>> Almost without exception, masters are digital these
>>>> days.
>>>
>>> An apparently little-known truth that many
>>> digital-haters would prefer not to know.
>
>> Incorrect.
>
> Actually Iain, you're just disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable.

No, I was enjoying an interesting discussion with Boon,
until you poked your nose in:-) Your statement above is
incorrect.

>> People have no objection to the fact that the
>> original is digital (Most probably don't even know - this
>> would make an interesting question in a poll)
>
>> What they *do* object to, and strongly, is the fact
>> that so many CDs are poorly mastered, thus obviating
>> totally the inherent advantages that the format offers.
>
> But that is a general problem Iain, and not one that is restricted to
> digital-haters.


Actually, it is not really a problem at all. It is a
phenomenon found only on pop CDs. Record
companies get very few "technical returns" from
which they deduce that the general public are
happy with over-compressed and clipped CDs,
so no such problem exsists:-)

The levels of expectation from the general public
has been declining slowly for many years.
The CD is regarded by many as a throw-away
commodity, to which they listen only a few times.

Mp3 is fast becoming the norm, and it is only
a matter of time before people start to think that
any recording which does not have .mp3
artefacts has "got something wrong with it" !

The small percentage of people that are not happy,
buy vinyl versions if these can be found.

But generally speaking, people either don't
notice, or don't care. When did you last return
a CD with a technical return report, Arny?

Fortunately, classical and jazz recordings are not
subject to the "louder is better" pressure..

Iain

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
"Iain Churches" > wrote:

> Fortunately, classical and jazz recordings are not
> subject to the "louder is better" pressure..

There were those unfortunate Bob Norberg jazz titles a while back.

From someone who likes his work:

http://www.dartblog.com/data/005236.html

"Robert Norberg, a brilliant mastering engineer whose trade is taking
illustrious old recordings and restoring them to pristine quality while
simultaneously sweetening them up‹ever so slightly, musically,
surgically‹to glisten on modern sound systems."

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi

> I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
> reasons.

> 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to read his posts to
> feel the ecstacy that his presence gives me.

> 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know that I am
> incapable of reading and providing a cogent reply.

Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might help you, Iain.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 9:44�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
> > reasons.
> > 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to read his posts to
> > feel the ecstacy that his presence gives me.
> > 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know that I am
> > incapable of reading and providing a cogent reply.
>
> Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might help you, Iain.

Given your recent obsession with amphetamines, anti-depressants and
crystal meth, most of us can assume that the Krueger family medicine
cabinet is extremely full these days.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 9:02�am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 12, 1:56?am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
>
> > > "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
>
> > > >The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
> > > >few.
>
> > >> It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
> > >> the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.
> > >I would agree. ?To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
> > >releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
> > >definitely hurting the whole LP revival.
>
> > Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
> > from analogue tapes?
> >Ah, in a perfect world.
>
> Well it could easily be done, if the demand was there.
> It's a simple job to make an analogue tape from a
> digital original, and the analogue would still be first
> generation by definition.

Agreed. Fortunately, it's being done with a great many LP reissues
these days. That's where the real action is at, with labels such as
MFSL, Speakers Corner and Classic Records.

>
> >> Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these days.
> >The White Stripes have been able to get it done with analog AFAIK.
>
> That's a Detroit band isn't it? �Maybe your pal Arny did
> the mastering:-) �LOL.

Impossible. They sound good.

>
> >I don't mind the digital masters as much, but some LPs have apparently
> >been mastered from CDs, not masters.
>
> Hmm. Interesting point. �Personally, if the CD used is a precise
> unblemished clone of the studio master, then I can see nothing
> wrong with that. �After all, one can make 100 generations of
> digital copies (clones) and the 100th will be indistinguishable
> from the first. But if the CD has been given the "smiley treatment"
> in mastering, then it is useless.

If you simply want to purchase new releases in the LP format, it isn't
that much of a problem. But for audiophiles who love to compare the
two formats, it's pretty disappointing when they sound almost exactly
alike. The LP format is supposed to offer sonic advantages for those
who have that preference. LPs do not sound superior when they sound
just like the CDs with surface noise added.

That said, I recently compared the LP and the CD/SACD reissue of
Sinatra's Nice 'N' Easy and found that they sounded pretty close.
Fortunately it sounds spectacular either way, so I won't complain.

>
> >> But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
> >> various versions of the same material issued, then
> >> remastered several times over the interval of a
> >> few years. ?The CDs get louder and louder,
> >> brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
> >> range. ?This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)
> >Ah yes, the Loudness Wars.
>
> It's probably even �more virulent in the US than over here.
> In fact, several radio stations in the Stockholm area that play
> jazz, proudly announce, "no broadcast compression"

I solve it by playing those CDs in my car only. ;-)

>
> > I've always liked the customer service of Elusive Disc.
>
> Yes. I am very happy to buy from them.

I love how they ask you how you liked the last albums you purchased
from them and make more recommendations. I know it's a sales ploy, but
it's still a nice touch.

>
> >> Indeed it is. ?There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
> >> pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. ?These
> >> are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.
> >Not according to Arny, who believes that LP sales are being
> >artificially inflated by the "turntablists."
>
> I take little notice of anything Arny says for two reasons.
> 1. He knows very little indeed which is of interest to me
> 2. The little he does know is subject to the most hideous bias.

Arny is a Have-Not, so he tends to miss out on the finer points.

>
> >> The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
> >> hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.
> >Excellent! �I'm not sure what the RTI figures are, but I've visited on
> >a number of occasions and they had warehouses stacked with product and
> >were pressing like mad.
>
> I haven't seen the latest BPI figts for the UK, but I understand that
> the former EMI factory has all presses running. �Hopefully, they
> will not get orders beyond capacity as that is when quality starts
> to suffer. �The first place a pressing plant tries to save time is in
> the pressing/cooling cycle. �When I used to go to theDecca
> factory, I could aways make my way straight to the presses
> tha were making the full price classical LPs, they were running
> much slower than the others:-)
>
> >>Vinyl outlets (snip)
> >I haven't seen too much of that here in the US...it's always a mix.
>
> I chuckle whe I go to fairs, and see hundreds of people
> milling around the vinyl sales areas. �Few people are looking
> at the CD, even though they cost as little as 2 Euros!
>
> Nice to chat with you on a sensible audio thread, Boon.

Yes, it is possible to do so on RAO as long as a certain paranoid
schizophrenic doesn't butt in.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 6:27�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.
>
> > Almost without exception, �masters are digital these days.
>
> An apparently little-known truth that many digital-haters would prefer not
> to know.

Who's a digital hater? I have personally invested a lot of time and
effort into my digital playback and software and enjoy the results
immensely. I'm currently ripping everything to a McIntosh MS750 and
I'm very excited about it.

Again, the world is black and white to someone with a personality
disorder.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 6:27?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.
>>
>>> Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these
>>> days.
>>
>> An apparently little-known truth that many
>> digital-haters would prefer not to know.
>
> Who's a digital hater?

People with a clear conscience will just pass this comment by, and people
whose conscience is bothering them may take exception.

> Again, the world is black and white to someone with a
> personality disorder.

You mean people who say "Yo, over here!" when someone mentions the
possibility that there are people who hate digital?

LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> I have personally invested a lot
> of time and effort into my digital playback and software
> and enjoy the results immensely. I'm currently ripping
> everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited about
> it.

http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/108mac/index5.html

Too bad about that.

Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 10:33�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 6:27?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
>
> >> Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.
>
> >>> Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these
> >>> days.
>
> >> An apparently little-known truth that many
> >> digital-haters would prefer not to know.
>
> > Who's a digital hater?
>
> People with a clear conscience will just pass this comment by, and people
> whose conscience is bothering them may take exception.

Hating digital has nothing to do with one's conscience, idiot. Do you
honestly think there are moral implications to preferring one audio
format to another?

>
> > Again, the world is black and white to someone with a
> > personality disorder.
>
> You mean people who say "Yo, over here!" when someone mentions the
> possibility that there are people who hate digital?

You butted into a conversation I was having with Iain, remember?

>
> LOL!

No, idiot...not LOL. You got caught with your pants down again.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 10:50�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > I have personally invested a lot
> > of time and effort into my digital playback and software
> > and enjoy the results immensely. �I'm currently ripping
> > everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited about
> > it.
>
> http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/108mac/index5.html
>
> Too bad about that.
>
> Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.

Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for measurements?

ROTFLMAO!

Boon

[Boon]

By the way, from the same review:

"In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any difference
between the original CDs played on the MS750 and their stored FLAC
versions."

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 9:44�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> > I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
> > reasons.
> > 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to read his posts to
> > feel the ecstacy that his presence gives me.
> > 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know that I am
> > incapable of reading and providing a cogent reply.
>
> Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might help you, Iain.

"They"? You mean your team of mental health care professionals?

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 10:50?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have personally invested a lot
>>> of time and effort into my digital playback and software
>>> and enjoy the results immensely. ?I'm currently ripping
>>> everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited
>>> about it.
>>
>> http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/108mac/index5.html

>> Too bad about that.

>> Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.

> Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for
> measurements?

Inabilty to remember relevant facts noted.

I've been using Stereophile measurements as one of my references for years,
when I agree with the way that they do the measurement that they are
presenting.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> By the way, from the same review:

> "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
> difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
> and their stored FLAC versions."

John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust his ears to pick up
everything that a person your age, whose ears are in good shape could.

The Mac has a number of inherent quality problems, the IM, the jitter, and
the grounding problems. Not fitting for a high end product costing on the
order of $6K, not even particularly good for a $160 DVD player or a PC with
a good audio interface.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 9:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>> i.fi
>>
>>> I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
>>> reasons.
>>> 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to
>>> read his posts to feel the ecstasy that his presence
>>> gives me.
>>> 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know
>>> that I am incapable of reading and providing a cogent
>>> reply.
>>
>> Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might
>> help you, Iain.
>
> "They"? You mean your team of mental health care
> professionals?

No Marc, I was thinking of your autobiographical comments in a message you
posted here on November 14, 2008.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/7ab87bb15b5fd1be?dmode=source

You know Marc, the one in which you admitted to your personal experiences
with Vicodin and Paxil.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:06�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 10:50?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> I have personally invested a lot
> >>> of time and effort into my digital playback and software
> >>> and enjoy the results immensely. ?I'm currently ripping
> >>> everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited
> >>> about it.
>
> >>http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/108mac/index5.html
> >> Too bad about that.
> >> Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.
> > Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for
> > measurements?
>
> Inabilty to remember relevant facts noted.
>
> I've been using Stereophile measurements as one of my references for years,
> when I agree with the way that they do the measurement that they are
> presenting.-

So you admit that you only use this information when it supports your
own biases. Interesting.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 1:06?pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 10:50?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> I have personally invested a lot
> >>> of time and effort into my digital playback and software
> >>> and enjoy the results immensely. ?I'm currently ripping
> >>> everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited
> >>> about it.
>
> >>http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/108mac/index5.html
> >> Too bad about that.
> >> Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.
> > Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for
> > measurements?
>
> Inabilty to remember relevant facts noted.
>
> I've been using Stereophile measurements as one of my references for
> years,
> when I agree with the way that they do the measurement that they are
> presenting.-

>So you admit that you only use this information when it supports your
>own biases. Interesting.

Can't we try to have at least one interesting thread
without it being polluted by the odious Mr K?

Iain

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:10�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > By the way, from the same review:
> > "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
> > difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
> > and their stored FLAC versions."
>
> John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust his ears to pick up
> everything that a person your age, whose ears are in good shape could.

This was in the body of the review, which was not written by John.
But thanks for the compliment that I can hear better than JA. A smart
person, however, would wait for the results of a hearing test before
making that assumption. Funny how science flies right out the window
whenever you employ the debating trade.

>
> The Mac has a number of inherent quality problems, the IM, the jitter, and
> the grounding problems. Not fitting for a high end product �costing on the
> order of $6K, not even particularly good for a $160 DVD player or a PC with
> a good audio interface.

This completely ignores the fact that McIntosh has been offering
upgrades to correct some of the initial problems. In fact, the unit
I'm using was originally an MS300 that was just sent back to McIntosh
and upgraded with the latest 750 hard drive and other features. So the
simple truth is that you have no data on how my particular model
measures. Again, science escapes you when you're pushed against the
wall.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:14�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 9:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> >>> I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
> >>> reasons.
> >>> 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to
> >>> read his posts to feel the ecstasy that his presence
> >>> gives me.
> >>> 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know
> >>> that I am incapable of reading and providing a cogent
> >>> reply.
>
> >> Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might
> >> help you, Iain.
>
> > "They"? �You mean your team of mental health care
> > professionals?
>
> No Marc, I was thinking of your autobiographical comments in a message you
> posted here on November 14, 2008.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/7ab87bb15b5fd1be...
>
> You know Marc, the one in which you admitted to your personal experiences
> with Vicodin and Paxil.

Your reading comprehension fails you once again. My personal
experience with both Vicodin and Paxil is limited to research articles
I've written on the two subjects. I've never taken an anti-depressant
in my life.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 1:10?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> By the way, from the same review:
>>> "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
>>> difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
>>> and their stored FLAC versions."
>>
>> John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust
>> his ears to pick up everything that a person your age,
>> whose ears are in good shape could.
>
> This was in the body of the review, which was not written
> by John. But thanks for the compliment that I can hear
> better than JA. A smart person, however, would wait for
> the results of a hearing test before making that
> assumption. Funny how science flies right out the window
> whenever you employ the debating trade.

LOL - claiming that Atkinson's sighted listening tests have anything at all
to do with science!

LOL!

>> The Mac has a number of inherent quality problems, the
>> IM, the jitter, and the grounding problems. Not fitting
>> for a high end product ?costing on the order of $6K, not
>> even particularly good for a $160 DVD player or a PC
>> with a good audio interface.

> This completely ignores the fact that McIntosh has been
> offering upgrades to correct some of the initial
> problems.

So Marc, you're proud of being a guinea pig for the Japanese?

> In fact, the unit I'm using was originally an
> MS300 that was just sent back to McIntosh and upgraded
> with the latest 750 hard drive and other features. So the
> simple truth is that you have no data on how my
> particular model measures.

It's not my fault you didn't properly identify the unit they are testing out
on you, Marc.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
.fi

> Can't we try to have at least one interesting thread
> without it being polluted by the odious Mr K?

If you call this old news, "Interesting".

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:52�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 1:10?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> By the way, from the same review:
> >>> "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
> >>> difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
> >>> and their stored FLAC versions."
>
> >> John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust
> >> his ears to pick up everything that a person your age,
> >> whose ears are in good shape could.
>
> > This was in the body of the review, which was not written
> > by John. But thanks for the compliment that I can hear
> > better than JA. �A smart person, however, would wait for
> > the results of a hearing test before making that
> > assumption. Funny how science flies right out the window
> > whenever you employ the debating trade.
>
> LOL - claiming that Atkinson's sighted listening tests have anything at all
> to do with science!
>
> LOL!
>
> >> The Mac has a number of inherent quality problems, the
> >> IM, the jitter, and the grounding problems. Not fitting
> >> for a high end product ?costing on the order of $6K, not
> >> even particularly good for a $160 DVD player or a PC
> >> with a good audio interface.
> > This completely ignores the fact that McIntosh has been
> > offering upgrades to correct some of the initial
> > problems.
>
> So Marc, you're proud of being a guinea pig for the Japanese?

I didn't know that Binghamton, New York was in Japan.

>
> > In fact, the unit I'm using was originally an
> > MS300 that was just sent back to McIntosh and upgraded
> > with the latest 750 hard drive and other features. So the
> > simple truth is that you have no data on how my
> > particular model measures.
>
> It's not my fault you didn't properly identify the unit they are testing out
> on you, Marc.

It's a current model that you would find at any McIntosh retailer in
January 2009. It's not my fault you would use year-old data on newly-
emerging technologies.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 1:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 9:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>>>> i.fi
>>
>>>>> I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
>>>>> reasons.
>>>>> 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have
>>>>> to read his posts to feel the ecstasy that his
>>>>> presence gives me.
>>>>> 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd
>>>>> know that I am incapable of reading and providing a
>>>>> cogent reply.
>>
>>>> Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil
>>>> might help you, Iain.
>>
>>> "They"? ?You mean your team of mental health care
>>> professionals?
>>
>> No Marc, I was thinking of your autobiographical
>> comments in a message you posted here on November 14,
>> 2008.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/7ab87bb15b5fd1be...
>>
>> You know Marc, the one in which you admitted to your
>> personal experiences with Vicodin and Paxil.
>
> Your reading comprehension fails you once again. My
> personal experience with both Vicodin and Paxil is
> limited to research articles I've written on the two
> subjects. I've never taken an anti-depressant in my life.

You're trying to pull the wool over the wrong eyes, Marc. My family
(especially the 2 PhDs) is very familiar with drug research articles. You
might even say that drug research is one of our family businesses.


If you wrote drug research articles Marc, then they will show up in an
official document index with you as the author. Reference away, or admit
that you've been caught in another lie, Marc.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 1:52?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 1:10?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> By the way, from the same review:
>>>>> "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect
>>>>> any difference between the original CDs played on the
>>>>> MS750 and their stored FLAC versions."
>>
>>>> John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust
>>>> his ears to pick up everything that a person your age,
>>>> whose ears are in good shape could.
>>
>>> This was in the body of the review, which was not
>>> written by John. But thanks for the compliment that I
>>> can hear better than JA. ?A smart person, however,
>>> would wait for the results of a hearing test before
>>> making that assumption. Funny how science flies right
>>> out the window whenever you employ the debating trade.
>>
>> LOL - claiming that Atkinson's sighted listening tests
>> have anything at all to do with science!
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>>>> The Mac has a number of inherent quality problems, the
>>>> IM, the jitter, and the grounding problems. Not fitting
>>>> for a high end product ?costing on the order of $6K,
>>>> not even particularly good for a $160 DVD player or a
>>>> PC with a good audio interface.
>>> This completely ignores the fact that McIntosh has been
>>> offering upgrades to correct some of the initial
>>> problems.
>>
>> So Marc, you're proud of being a guinea pig for the
>> Japanese?
>
> I didn't know that Binghamton, New York was in Japan.

So you are unaware of McIntosh's current ownership and management?

>>> In fact, the unit I'm using was originally an
>>> MS300 that was just sent back to McIntosh and upgraded
>>> with the latest 750 hard drive and other features. So
>>> the simple truth is that you have no data on how my
>>> particular model measures.
>>
>> It's not my fault you didn't properly identify the unit
>> they are testing out on you, Marc.
>
> It's a current model that you would find at any McIntosh
> retailer in January 2009. It's not my fault you would
> use year-old data on newly- emerging technologies.

Umm music servers are emerging technology?

I've only had one for a little less than a decade.

Try again, grasshopper!

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:59�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 1:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> On Jan 12, 9:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> i.fi
>
> >>>>> I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
> >>>>> reasons.
> >>>>> 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have
> >>>>> to read his posts to feel the ecstasy that his
> >>>>> presence gives me.
> >>>>> 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd
> >>>>> know that I am incapable of reading and providing a
> >>>>> cogent reply.
>
> >>>> Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil
> >>>> might help you, Iain.
>
> >>> "They"? ?You mean your team of mental health care
> >>> professionals?
>
> >> No Marc, I was thinking of your autobiographical
> >> comments in a message you posted here on November 14,
> >> 2008.
>
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/7ab87bb15b5fd1be....
>
> >> You know Marc, the one in which you admitted to your
> >> personal experiences with Vicodin and Paxil.
>
> > Your reading comprehension fails you once again. �My
> > personal experience with both Vicodin and Paxil is
> > limited to research articles I've written on the two
> > subjects. �I've never taken an anti-depressant in my life.
>
> You're trying to pull the wool over the wrong eyes, Marc. My family
> (especially the 2 PhDs) is very familiar with drug research articles. You
> might even say that drug research is one of our family businesses.

I'm sure your children were inspired by your battles with paranoid and
narcissistic personality disorders and had plenty of experience to
embark on professional careers.

>
> If you wrote drug research articles Marc, then they will show up in an
> official document index with you as the author.

Not if you're a copywriter. You're narrowing the definition of drug
research articles to professional medical journals, dumbass.

Reference away, or admit
> that you've been caught in another lie, Marc.-

Sorry, Arny. You've never once proven that I've lied about anything.
You won't here, either.

Boon

[Boon]

By the way, I wrote this and all related articles:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2088461_treat-personality-disorders.html

But no, I didn't get a byline.

Boon

[Jenn[_2_]]

Boon > wrote:
> On Jan 12, 1:59�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > "Boon" > wrote in message
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 12, 1:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > > wrote:
> > >> "Boon" > wrote in message
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> On Jan 12, 9:44?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> >
> > i.fi
> >
> > >>>>> I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
> > >>>>> reasons.
> > >>>>> 1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have
> > >>>>> to read his posts to feel the ecstasy that his
> > >>>>> presence gives me.
> > >>>>> 2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd
> > >>>>> know that I am incapable of reading and providing a
> > >>>>> cogent reply.
> >
> > >>>> Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil
> > >>>> might help you, Iain.
> >
> > >>> "They"? ?You mean your team of mental health care
> > >>> professionals?
> >
> > >> No Marc, I was thinking of your autobiographical
> > >> comments in a message you posted here on November 14,
> > >> 2008.
> >
> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/7ab87bb15b5fd1be...
> >
> > >> You know Marc, the one in which you admitted to your
> > >> personal experiences with Vicodin and Paxil.
> >
> > > Your reading comprehension fails you once again. �My
> > > personal experience with both Vicodin and Paxil is
> > > limited to research articles I've written on the two
> > > subjects. �I've never taken an anti-depressant in my life.
> >
> > You're trying to pull the wool over the wrong eyes, Marc. My family
> > (especially the 2 PhDs) is very familiar with drug research
> > articles. You
> > might even say that drug research is one of our family businesses.
>
> I'm sure your children were inspired by your battles with paranoid and
> narcissistic personality disorders and had plenty of experience to
> embark on professional careers.
>
> >
> > If you wrote drug research articles Marc, then they will show up in
> > an
> > official document index with you as the author.
>
> Not if you're a copywriter. You're narrowing the definition of drug
> research articles to professional medical journals, dumbass.
>
> Reference away, or admit
> > that you've been caught in another lie, Marc.-
>
> Sorry, Arny. You've never once proven that I've lied about anything.
> You won't here, either.
>
> Boon

Army is very fond of accusing people of lying, then refusing to offer
evidence for that serious charge.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
news:232079027253491197.204609jennconductsREMOVETH

> Army is very fond of accusing people of lying, then
> refusing to offer evidence for that serious charge.

Jenn takes one look at iron-clad evidence and just plays the denial card.

She's well-practiced at it, it seems.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> By the way, I wrote this and all related articles:
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_2088461_treat-personality-disorders.html
>
> But no, I didn't get a byline.

IOW no evidence to back up the claim.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 2:27�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > By the way, I wrote this and all related articles:
>
> >http://www.ehow.com/how_2088461_treat-personality-disorders.html
>
> > But no, I didn't get a byline.
>
> IOW no evidence to back up the claim.

IOW, no evidence to back yours, either. Remember, you brought it up,
and you're back where you started. You've been unable to prove that I
take antidepressants, and you've been unable to prove that I've never
done research on antidepressants.

IOW, you lose. I could give a **** whether or not you think I wrote
the article. All that matters is that I got paid for it.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 2:26�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> news:232079027253491197.204609jennconductsREMOVETH
>
> > Army is very fond of accusing people of lying, then
> > refusing to offer evidence for that serious charge.
>
> Jenn takes one look at iron-clad evidence and just plays the denial card.
>
> She's well-practiced at it, it seems.

No, Jenn realizes that there's more to the world than a URL. Whenever
one of you Internet geeks demand a URL as proof for things that have
no URL, the whole world laughs and ridicules you. When are you going
to grow a brain?

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:59�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> If you wrote drug research articles Marc, then they will show up in an
> official document index with you as the author. Reference away, or admit
> that you've been caught in another lie, Marc.

Hey, Arny...I just showed you a drug research article that does not
list an author. It doesn't show up in an official document index,
either. Admit that you've been caught in another lie, Arny.

Boon

[Jenn[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> news:232079027253491197.204609jennconductsREMOVETH
>
> > Army is very fond of accusing people of lying, then
> > refusing to offer evidence for that serious charge.
>
> Jenn takes one look at iron-clad evidence and just plays the denial
> card.
>
> She's well-practiced at it, it seems.

I didn't deny anything. Read for comprehension. I simply stated a fact.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> Your reading comprehension fails you once again. My personal
> experience with both Vicodin and Paxil is limited to research articles
> I've written on the two subjects. I've never taken an anti-depressant
> in my life.

They're not just for crazy people, you know. There's a good reason valium
got the nickname "mother's little helper". I was talking to my own doctor
once about interactions and he said if I took Xanax, it would mask any bad
side effects. Ignorance brings bliss, apparently. Or the reverse.

BTW, I don't know what you mean (the subject of this thread).

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Iain Churches said:

> Can't we try to have at least one interesting thread
> without it being polluted by the odious Mr K?

We keep flushing, but the Krooborg persists.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 3:23�pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Boon said:
>
> > Your reading comprehension fails you once again. �My personal
> > experience with both Vicodin and Paxil is limited to research articles
> > I've written on the two subjects. �I've never taken an anti-depressant
> > in my life.
>
> They're not just for crazy people, you know. There's a good reason valium
> got the nickname "mother's little helper". I was talking to my own doctor
> once about interactions and he said if I took Xanax, it would mask any bad
> side effects. Ignorance brings bliss, apparently. Or the reverse.

Well, I personally know many people who take them, and I don't judge
any of them. But my personal belief is that unless you're suffering
from depression or a panic/anxiety disorder, you should lay off.
You're supposed to learn something from pain and anger and sadness,
and if you're muffling those feelings with pharmaceuticals you may be
missing out on important life lessons.

>
> BTW, I don't know what you mean (the subject of this thread).

That Arny loses again? Hell, you could put that as a title for every
thread on RAO and it would probably apply.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 12 Ian, 16:59, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:


.. You
> might even say that drug research is one of our family businesses.
>



Gawd, and we thought that Arny's infamous training rituals
were the only abuses the boys in his basement had to put up with.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 2:27?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> By the way, I wrote this and all related articles:
>>
>>> http://www.ehow.com/how_2088461_treat-personality-disorders.html
>>
>>> But no, I didn't get a byline.
>>
>> IOW no evidence to back up the claim.
>
> IOW, no evidence to back yours, either.

Then Marc its a draw and if you had the brains and integrity of a carrot,
you'd let it drop.

BTW your article sucked so bad it is almost dangerous.

<snip idiotic blather>

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 1:59?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> If you wrote drug research articles Marc, then they will
>> show up in an official document index with you as the
>> author. Reference away, or admit that you've been caught
>> in another lie, Marc.
>
> Hey, Arny...I just showed you a drug research article
> that does not list an author.

It wasn't a proper drug research article. I'll take your claim that it was
as proof that you don't even know what one looks like. It was pop
psychology Sunday-supplement grade blather for a low brow consumer web site.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 3:50�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 2:27?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> By the way, I wrote this and all related articles:
>
> >>>http://www.ehow.com/how_2088461_treat-personality-disorders.html
>
> >>> But no, I didn't get a byline.
>
> >> IOW no evidence to back up the claim.
>
> > IOW, no evidence to back yours, either.
>
> Then Marc its a draw and if you had the brains and integrity of a carrot,
> you'd let it drop.

You brought it up. Now you can't admit you were wrong.

By the way I have the brains and integrity of a human being, not a
carrot, so I don't know what dumb point you're trying to make here.

>
> BTW your article sucked so bad it is almost dangerous.

So you admit I wrote it? That means there is no draw, and you lose.
Again.

ROTFLMAO!

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 3:51�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 1:59?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
>
> >> If you wrote drug research articles Marc, then they will
> >> show up in an official document index with you as the
> >> author. Reference away, or admit that you've been caught
> >> in another lie, Marc.
>
> > Hey, Arny...I just showed you a drug research article
> > that does not list an author.
>
> It wasn't a proper drug research article.

I said I did research for a drug article. You said I didn't. Now
you're trying to spin out of this. You're such a crybaby.

I'll take your claim that it was
> as proof that you don't even know what one looks like. �It was pop
> psychology Sunday-supplement grade blather for a low brow consumer web site.

And it paid rather nicely. But then again this was Google, and we all
know how it lies to you.

LOL!

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message


> I said I did research for a drug article.

So far so good.

> You said I didn't.

A complete and total lie.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> By the way, I wrote this and all related articles:
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_2088461_treat-personality-disorders.html
>
> But no, I didn't get a byline.

Not proof, not even evidence.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 4:14�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > I said I did research for a drug article.
>
> So far so good.
>
> > You said I didn't.
>
> A complete and total lie.

You are suffering from at least two personality disorders. You have
no idea what a lie is. You have demonstrated this on numerous
occasions. You believe that anything that is contrary to your delusion
constructs is a lie. And as a pathological liar, you assume any piece
of information from another person is a lie until proof is offered. If
the proof does not conform to your beliefs, then it is still a lie and
you will use another set of delusions to escape from being proven
wrong.

It's all pretty textbook stuff, Arny. You fit the diagnostic criteria
to a T.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 4:15�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > By the way, I wrote this and all related articles:
>
> >http://www.ehow.com/how_2088461_treat-personality-disorders.html
>
> > But no, I didn't get a byline.
>
> Not proof, not even evidence.

You said that. Then you admitted I wrote the article and that it
"sucked." Now you're back to saying it's not mine.

Which end is up, Arny? Do you know anymore?

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 12, 9:29*am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> ti.fi
>
> >> Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
> >> from analogue tapes?
>
> > Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.
> >> Almost without exception, *masters are digital these days.
>
> > An apparently little-known truth that many digital-haters would prefer not
> > to know.
>
> Incorrect. * People have no objection to the fact that the
> original is digital (Mst probably don't even know - this
> would make an interesting question in a poll)
>
> What they *do* object to, and strongly, is the fact
>
> that so many CDs are poorly mastered, thus obviating
>
> totally the inherent advantages that the format offers.

GOIA thinks that a CD that has a poorly mastered digital master is
better than a CD with a superbly mastered analog master. Either that
or he can't tell the difference.

This is one of the symptoms, or perhaps even one of the causes, of his
insanity.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> You are suffering from at least two personality disorders. You have
> no idea what a lie is. You have demonstrated this on numerous
> occasions. You believe that anything that is contrary to your delusion
> constructs is a lie. And as a pathological liar, you assume any piece
> of information from another person is a lie until proof is offered. If
> the proof does not conform to your beliefs, then it is still a lie and
> you will use another set of delusions to escape from being proven
> wrong.
>
> It's all pretty textbook stuff, Arny. You fit the diagnostic criteria
> to a T.

Guess what I got for Xmas? You'll never guess, so I'll tell you. I got a
Kroologic encoder. Cool, huh? It's only a prototype, but it works pretty
well. Here's what it threw up when I had it reply to your post:

"There are several flaws in your argument. The first one is that you are
capable of rendering a diagnosis such as a personality disorder. That is an
unproven premise. Second: It is well known that personality disorders are a
condition of certain human beings. It has not been proven that I am a human
being. Third: Even granting the first two unproven premises, there is a
third fatal flaw in your argument. A human being who has a personality
disorder would be in treatment. I am not in treatment; therefore I do not
have a personality disorder. You have been proven completely wrong. Thank
you for playing."

Pretty good, isn't it? Maybe I can hook it up to Sacky's Krooglish
generator. That would be twice as much fun.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Goose Puke's ****tiest citizen soils himself in a big way.

> > I said I did research for a drug article. You said I didn't.

> A complete and total lie.

You also called Jenn a liar when she revealed she is a professional
musician. You also called John a liar when he said he studied science for
his undergraduate degree. You also called Sacky a liar when he disclosed his
salary as a government employee. That's just to mention three of your
paranoid accusations. We all know you've accused hundreds of individuals of
uttering thousands and thousands of lies only because you didn't like what
they said.

If you weren't insane, Arnii, you'd know how crazy you are. How's that for a
logical conundrum? ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" > wrote in message

> On Jan 12, 4:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> I said I did research for a drug article.
>>
>> So far so good.
>>
>>> You said I didn't.
>>
>> A complete and total lie.
>

Marc provides no evidence that he isn't lying. Game. Set. Match.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 13, 6:27*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message

> >> A complete and total lie.
>
> Marc provides no evidence that he isn't lying. Game. Set. Match.

How can you tell if GOIA is lying?

He posts something.

[Boon]

On Jan 13, 4:27�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 4:14?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> I said I did research for a drug article.
>
> >> So far so good.
>
> >>> You said I didn't.
>
> >> A complete and total lie.
>
> Marc provides no evidence that he isn't lying. Game. Set. Match.

Arny provides no evidence that I am on crack or amphetamines, a claim
he made first. Game. Set. match.

Boon

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Boon said:

> > Marc provides no evidence that he isn't lying. Game. Set. Match.
>
> Arny provides no evidence that I am on crack or amphetamines, a claim
> he made first. Game. Set. match.

Aside from the inherent sickness of demanding that Normals "prove they
aren't lying", I'm just grateful the Krooborg doesn't count his winnings
"one-a-turd, two-a-turd, three-a-turd, four". Nobody would be able to mock
that klaim so facilely.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 12, 4:10 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Boon" > wrote in message
>
> > By the way, from the same review:
> > "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
> > difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
> > and their stored FLAC versions."
>
> John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust his ears
> to pick up everything that a person your age, whose ears are
> in good shape could.

Your lack of reading comprehension continues to
confuse you, Mr, Krueger. I didn't write the text you
quote above. But for the record, I can still hear
15.5kHz tones at normal listening levels.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in message
...
> On Jan 12, 4:10 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>> > By the way, from the same review:
>> > "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
>> > difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
>> > and their stored FLAC versions."
>>
>> John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust his ears
>> to pick up everything that a person your age, whose ears are
>> in good shape could.
>
> Your lack of reading comprehension continues to
> confuse you, Mr, Krueger. I didn't write the text you
> quote above. But for the record, I can still hear
> 15.5kHz tones at normal listening levels.
>

John. It seems to be part of Mr.Krueger's "debating technique"
to deliberately misquote people, and then, having done
so, to refer back to this quote as if it were a factual statement.

I am relucatant to call anyone a liar, so perhaps your kindly
gesture to put it down to poor reading comprehension skills
is appropriate.

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message

> On Jan 12, 4:10 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Boon" > wrote in message
>>
>>> By the way, from the same review:
>>> "In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
>>> difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
>>> and their stored FLAC versions."
>>
>> John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust
>> his ears to pick up everything that a person your age,
>> whose ears are
>> in good shape could.
>
> Your lack of reading comprehension continues to
> confuse you, Mr, Krueger.

Actually, the author of the article was not given in the post I responded
to.

My comment may have been irrelevant to the article, but it is relevant to
you.

So John, I can comfortably say that I caught you in yet another
misrepresentation. Reading comprehension had nothing to to do with it.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 10:12*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> So John, I can comfortably say

Christ, GOIA, you'll say about any damned thing that crosses through
yur pea brain. What's "comfort" got to do with it? LOL!

[Bill[_16_]]

In article >,
says...
>
>
> John Atkinson said:
>
> > Your lack of reading comprehension continues to
> > confuse you, Mr, Krueger.
>
> How long before Arnii tells us his newsreader is "lying" to him? <G>

I'm surprised he hasn't already made that klaim. I've noticed that
recently, Arny has called virtually everyone that engages him a liar.

Does anyone know what "liar" means in Krooglish?

--
Bill

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Bill" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>>
>> John Atkinson said:
>>
>> > Your lack of reading comprehension continues to
>> > confuse you, Mr, Krueger.
>>
>> How long before Arnii tells us his newsreader is "lying" to him? <G>
>
> I'm surprised he hasn't already made that klaim. I've noticed that
> recently, Arny has called virtually everyone that engages him a liar.
>
> Does anyone know what "liar" means in Krooglish?

Hmm- Good point. Perhaps we are failing in our Krooglish
translation. Perhaps it means "Erudite gentleman/lady"



Iain

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 14, 12:18*pm, Bill > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...

> > How long before Arnii tells us his newsreader is "lying" to him? <G>
>
> I'm surprised he hasn't already made that klaim. I've noticed that
> recently, Arny has called virtually everyone that engages him a liar.
>
> Does anyone know what "liar" means in Krooglish?

When used by GOIA it means "sane".