[Boon]

Very interesting. Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
have nothing to do with it.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/...-2008-sales-f/

Boon

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Boon wrote:

Very interesting. Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
have nothing to do with it.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/...-2008-sales-f/

Fleet Foxes? Not exactly club material!

http://www.myspace.com/fleetfoxes

Stephen

[Boon]

On Jan 9, 10:07�am, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,

�Boon wrote:
Very interesting. �Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
have nothing to do with it.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/...-2008-sales-f/

Fleet Foxes? Not exactly club material!

http://www.myspace.com/fleetfoxes

I saw the Fleet Foxes up in Seattle and reviewed the show. Absolutely
amazing. I picked their debut as the best album of 2007.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" wrote in message
...
Very interesting. Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
have nothing to do with it.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/...-2008-sales-f/



It's difficult to establish what percentage of the total sales vinyl
actualty represents. If it were 1%, then a sales increase of 89%
would still mean 2% of the total market.

But it's good that, against all predictions, vinyl is still going.
Some recent pressings that I have heard have been very good
indeed. Even at USD 50 I still think a double LP is a
worthwhile purchase. Look at it this way, if you keep it
for many years, and enjoy it say 100 times, that's USD2
for forty minutes of musical pleasure.

As a Swedish pal of mine is fond of saying -
"small potatoes" :-)

Iain

[Clyde Slick]

On 10 Ian, 07:05, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...

Very interesting. *Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
have nothing to do with it.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/...-2008-sales-f/

It's difficult to establish what percentage of the total sales vinyl
actualty represents. If it were 1%, then a sales increase of 89%
would still mean 2% of the total market.

But it's good that, against all predictions, vinyl is still going.
Some recent pressings that I have heard have been very good
indeed. *Even at USD 50 I still think a double LP is a
worthwhile purchase. *Look at it this way, if you keep it
for many years, and enjoy it say 100 times, that's USD2
for forty minutes of musical pleasure.

As a Swedish pal of mine is fond of saying -
"small potatoes" *:-)

Iain

I noticed that.
In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
And the meatballs, too.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
And the meatballs, too.

How's the diet coming, Chubbo?

[Clyde Slick]

On 10 Ian, 09:39, George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
And the meatballs, too.

How's the diet coming, Chubbo?

http://www.katsuyoshi.org/blog/wp-co...doza-steak.JPG

[Boon]

On Jan 10, 4:05�am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...

Very interesting. �Judging from the top 10 titles, the "turntablists"
have nothing to do with it.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/news/...-2008-sales-f/

It's difficult to establish what percentage of the total sales vinyl
actualty represents. If it were 1%, then a sales increase of 89%
would still mean 2% of the total market.

But it's good that, against all predictions, vinyl is still going.
Some recent pressings that I have heard have been very good
indeed. �Even at USD 50 I still think a double LP is a
worthwhile purchase. �Look at it this way, if you keep it
for many years, and enjoy it say 100 times, that's USD2
for forty minutes of musical pleasure.

As a Swedish pal of mine is fond of saying -
"small potatoes" �:-)

Iain

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few. Downloading seems to be killing the CD, and yet vinyl is
thriving. There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
become a niche segment. But 89%, and a good 25 years after people
predicted that CDs would kill the LP? Cool!

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 10, 8:24�am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 10 Ian, 09:39, George M. Middius wrote:

Clyde Slick said:

In Swedish food, the potatoes are always so small.
And the meatballs, too.

How's the diet coming, Chubbo?

http://www.katsuyoshi.org/blog/wp-co...05/arg-mendoza...

As long as you don't stick it between two slices of Wonder Bread, you
should be fine.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" wrote in message
...

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few.

It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.

Downloading seems to be killing the CD,

That's the intention of the music industry. The absence
of manufacturing and distribution costs increases the
profit margin on download material.

and yet vinyl is thriving.

Well, let's say "refusing to die"
The big difference now is that people are willing to
pay fore quality, and also QC control on vinyl pressings
is far better than it was in the 1970s

There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
become a niche segment. But 89%,

But, an 89% increase from what figure? Many people
guess at 1%. No firm data seems to be available.

and a good 25 years
after people
predicted that CDs would kill the LP? Cool!

Indeed:-)

Iain

[Boon]

On Jan 11, 5:20�am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few.

It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.

I would agree. To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
definitely hurting the whole LP revival.


Downloading seems to be killing the CD,

That's the intention of the music industry. The absence
of manufacturing and distribution costs increases the
profit margin on download material.

Absolutely true.


and yet vinyl is thriving.

Well, let's say "refusing to die"

If 89% is an accurate figure, it's definitely thriving.

The big difference now is that people are willing to
pay fore quality, and also QC control on vinyl pressings
is far better than it was in the 1970s

RTI recently had huge QC problems, with many titles arriving damaged.
My guess was that a pallet was knocked over somewhere, and they
quickly put it back together without checking. That put a dent in the
vinyl movement this year.


There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
become a niche segment. �But 89%,

But, an 89% increase from what figure? �Many people
guess at 1%. �No firm data seems to be available.

That has always been the problem. For years, RIAA figures have been
incomplete at best because they do not include sales where vinyl is
the most active, such as specialty retailers (i.e. high-end salons)
and online auctions. But the figure over the last few years has
hovered steadily around the 1 million mark. To see it jump closer to 2
million is very exciting.

A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest online LP seller
told me that his sales were up 40% over the previous year. Idiots
like Arny immediately wanted to know who said it and where was the URL
to support this "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being
conservative.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message


A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest
online LP seller told me that his sales were up 40% over
the previous year. Critical thinkers like Arny immediately wanted
to know who said it and where was the URL to support this
"unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was just a figment of
my imagination because I couldn't prove anything.

As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

[Clyde Slick]

On 11 Ian, 21:17, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest
online LP seller told me that his sales were up 40% over
the previous year. *Critical thinkers like Arny immediately wanted
to know who said it and where was the URL to support this
"unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was just a figment of
my imagination because I couldn't prove anything.

As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

its time to save your soul and confess your phony KP allegaqtions

[Boon]

On Jan 11, 6:17�pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest
online LP seller told me that his sales were up 40% over
the previous year. �Idiots like Arny immediately wanted
to know who said it and where was the URL to support this
"unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being conservative.


As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

What are you talking about?

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 11, 8:17*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

Prove it.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

As they say Marc, confession is good for the soul!

Prove it.

I'm not one to go to bat for Mr. ****, but since he has no soul, he can't
prove confession works.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" wrote in message
...
On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few.

It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.

I would agree. To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
definitely hurting the whole LP revival.

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?
Almost without exception, masters are digital these days.

But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
various versions of the same material issued, then
remastered several times over the interval of a
few years. The CDs get louder and louder,
brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
range. This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)

RTI recently had huge QC problems, with many titles arriving damaged.
My guess was that a pallet was knocked over somewhere, and they
quickly put it back together without checking. That put a dent in the
vinyl movement this year.

I recently ordered a double album from Elusive Disc. They sent me
an e-mail to say that all stock copies of the gatefold sleeve had a
crease in the top right corner (record factories in the UK used to call
this a "crumpled ear") They asked if I would prefer to cancel the order.
That level of attention to quality is previously unseen.


There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
become a niche segment. ?But 89%,

But, an 89% increase from what figure? ?Many people
guess at 1%. ?No firm data seems to be available.

That has always been the problem. For years, RIAA figures have been
incomplete at best because they do not include sales where vinyl is
the most active, such as specialty retailers (i.e. high-end salons)
and online auctions. But the figure over the last few years has
hovered steadily around the 1 million mark. To see it jump closer to 2
million is very exciting.

Indeed it is. There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. These
are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.

A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest online LP seller
told me that his sales were up 40% over the previous year. Idiots
like Arny immediately wanted to know who said it and where was the URL
to support this "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being
conservative.

The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.

I don't know the situation in the US, but in the EU the past
couple of years have seen the opening of shops selling vinyl only.
A chap I know in Stockholm has such a shop, in addition to his
hi-fi shop. He's a pretty smart business man. I am pretty sure he
could see potential there.

Maybe there is a business opportunity for your pal Arny.
He could squat in a burnt-out shop in Detroit and sell pirate
LP pressings of the Full Gospell Baptist Fellowship Massed Choir
"Bow Down and Worship Him", recorded by the excellent Joe Neil.

Iain

[Clyde Slick]

On 12 Ian, 04:56, "Iain Churches" wrote:


Maybe there is a *business opportunity for your pal Arny.
He could squat in a burnt-out shop in Detroit and sell pirate
LP pressings of the Full Gospell Baptist Fellowship Massed Choir
"Bow Down and Worship Him", recorded by the excellent Joe Neil.

Iain


Or he can put up a 'lemonade stand"
in front of the Grosse Point Woods Baptist Church
and sell LP pressings of his own
church choir recording.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

Almost without exception, masters are digital these days.

An apparently little-known truth that many digital-haters would prefer not
to know.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

Almost without exception, masters are digital these days.

An apparently little-known truth that many digital-haters would prefer not
to know.

Incorrect. People have no objection to the fact that the
original is digital (Mst probably don't even know - this
would make an interesting question in a poll)



What they *do* object to, and strongly, is the fact

that so many CDs are poorly mastered, thus obviating

totally the inherent advantages that the format offers.



Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

Almost without exception, masters are digital these
days.

An apparently little-known truth that many
digital-haters would prefer not to know.

Incorrect.

Actually Iain, you're just disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable.

You don't know the facts well enough to have an informed opinion, and you
say as much below:

People have no objection to the fact that the
original is digital (Mst probably don't even know - this
would make an interesting question in a poll)

What they *do* object to, and strongly, is the fact
that so many CDs are poorly mastered, thus obviating
totally the inherent advantages that the format offers.

But that is a general problem Iain, and not one that is restricted to
digital-haters.

Congrats - two hostile, irrelevant but seemingly self-aggrandizing
statements in just one post.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:56�am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...
On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" wrote:

"Boon" wrote in message

....

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few.

It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.
I would agree. �To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
definitely hurting the whole LP revival.

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?

Ah, in a perfect world.

Almost without exception, �masters are digital these days.

The White Stripes have been able to get it done with analog AFAIK. I
don't mind the digital masters as much, but some LPs have apparently
been mastered from CDs, not masters.


But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
various versions of the same material issued, then
remastered several times over the interval of a
few years. �The CDs get louder and louder,
brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
range. �This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)

Ah yes, the Loudness Wars.


RTI recently had huge QC problems, with many titles arriving damaged.
My guess was that a pallet was knocked over somewhere, and they
quickly put it back together without checking. That put a dent in the
vinyl movement this year.

�I recently ordered a double album from Elusive Disc. �They sent me
an e-mail to say that all stock copies of the gatefold sleeve had a
crease in the top right corner (record factories in the UK used to call
this a "crumpled ear") They asked if I would prefer to cancel the order.
That level of attention to quality is previously unseen.

I've always liked the customer service of Elusive Disc.




There's never been an argument about the fact that LPs have
become a niche segment. ?But 89%,

But, an 89% increase from what figure? ?Many people
guess at 1%. ?No firm data seems to be available.
That has always been the problem. For years, RIAA figures have been
incomplete at best because they do not include sales where vinyl is
the most active, such as specialty retailers (i.e. high-end salons)
and online auctions. �But the figure over the last few years has
hovered steadily around the 1 million mark. To see it jump closer to 2
million is very exciting.

Indeed it is. �There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. �These
are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.

Not according to Arny, who believes that LP sales are being
artificially inflated by the "turntablists."


A year ago, I mentioned that the head of the largest online LP seller
told me that his sales were up 40% over the previous year. �Idiots
like Arny immediately wanted to know who said it and where was the URL
to support this "unbelievable" claim. Turns out this guy was being
conservative.

The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.

Excellent! I'm not sure what the RTI figures are, but I've visited on
a number of occasions and they had warehouses stacked with product and
were pressing like mad.


I don't know the situation in the US, but in the EU the past
couple of years have seen the opening of shops selling vinyl only.
A chap I know in Stockholm has such a shop, in addition to his
hi-fi shop. He's a pretty smart business man. I am pretty sure he
could see potential there.

I haven't seen too much of that here in the US...it's always a mix.


Maybe there is a �business opportunity for your pal Arny.
He could squat in a burnt-out shop in Detroit and sell pirate
LP pressings of the Full Gospell Baptist Fellowship Massed Choir
"Bow Down and Worship Him", recorded by the excellent Joe Neil.

LOL!


Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 1:56?am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...
On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" wrote:

"Boon" wrote in message

...

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few.

It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.
I would agree. ?To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
definitely hurting the whole LP revival.

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?

Ah, in a perfect world.

Well it could easily be done, if the demand was there.
It's a simple job to make an analogue tape from a
digital original, and the analogue would still be first
generation by definition.

Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these days.

The White Stripes have been able to get it done with analog AFAIK.

That's a Detroit band isn't it? Maybe your pal Arny did
the mastering:-) LOL.


I don't mind the digital masters as much, but some LPs have apparently
been mastered from CDs, not masters.

Hmm. Interesting point. Personally, if the CD used is a precise
unblemished clone of the studio master, then I can see nothing
wrong with that. After all, one can make 100 generations of
digital copies (clones) and the 100th will be indistinguishable
from the first. But if the CD has been given the "smiley treatment"
in mastering, then it is useless.

But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
various versions of the same material issued, then
remastered several times over the interval of a
few years. ?The CDs get louder and louder,
brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
range. ?This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)

Ah yes, the Loudness Wars.

It's probably even more virulent in the US than over here.
In fact, several radio stations in the Stockholm area that play
jazz, proudly announce, "no broadcast compression"

I've always liked the customer service of Elusive Disc.

Yes. I am very happy to buy from them.

Indeed it is. ?There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. ?These
are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.

Not according to Arny, who believes that LP sales are being
artificially inflated by the "turntablists."

I take little notice of anything Arny says for two reasons.
1. He knows very little indeed which is of interest to me
2. The little he does know is subject to the most hideous bias.

The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.

Excellent! I'm not sure what the RTI figures are, but I've visited on
a number of occasions and they had warehouses stacked with product and
were pressing like mad.

I haven't seen the latest BPI figts for the UK, but I understand that
the former EMI factory has all presses running. Hopefully, they
will not get orders beyond capacity as that is when quality starts
to suffer. The first place a pressing plant tries to save time is in
the pressing/cooling cycle. When I used to go to theDecca
factory, I could aways make my way straight to the presses
tha were making the full price classical LPs, they were running
much slower than the others:-)

Vinyl outlets (snip)
I haven't seen too much of that here in the US...it's always a mix.

I chuckle whe I go to fairs, and see hundreds of people
milling around the vinyl sales areas. Few people are looking
at the CD, even though they cost as little as 2 Euros!

Nice to chat with you on a sensible audio thread, Boon.

Best regards
Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

Almost without exception, masters are digital these
days.

An apparently little-known truth that many
digital-haters would prefer not to know.

Incorrect.

Actually Iain, you're just disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable.

No, I was enjoying an interesting discussion with Boon,
until you poked your nose in:-) Your statement above is
incorrect.

People have no objection to the fact that the
original is digital (Most probably don't even know - this
would make an interesting question in a poll)

What they *do* object to, and strongly, is the fact
that so many CDs are poorly mastered, thus obviating
totally the inherent advantages that the format offers.

But that is a general problem Iain, and not one that is restricted to
digital-haters.


Actually, it is not really a problem at all. It is a
phenomenon found only on pop CDs. Record
companies get very few "technical returns" from
which they deduce that the general public are
happy with over-compressed and clipped CDs,
so no such problem exsists:-)

The levels of expectation from the general public
has been declining slowly for many years.
The CD is regarded by many as a throw-away
commodity, to which they listen only a few times.

Mp3 is fast becoming the norm, and it is only
a matter of time before people start to think that
any recording which does not have .mp3
artefacts has "got something wrong with it" !

The small percentage of people that are not happy,
buy vinyl versions if these can be found.

But generally speaking, people either don't
notice, or don't care. When did you last return
a CD with a technical return report, Arny?

Fortunately, classical and jazz recordings are not
subject to the "louder is better" pressure..

Iain

[MiNe 109]

In article i,
"Iain Churches" wrote:

Fortunately, classical and jazz recordings are not
subject to the "louder is better" pressure..

There were those unfortunate Bob Norberg jazz titles a while back.

From someone who likes his work:

http://www.dartblog.com/data/005236.html

"Robert Norberg, a brilliant mastering engineer whose trade is taking
illustrious old recordings and restoring them to pristine quality while
simultaneously sweetening them up‹ever so slightly, musically,
surgically‹to glisten on modern sound systems."

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi

I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
reasons.

1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to read his posts to
feel the ecstacy that his presence gives me.

2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know that I am
incapable of reading and providing a cogent reply.

Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might help you, Iain.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 9:44�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

i.fi

I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
reasons.
1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to read his posts to
feel the ecstacy that his presence gives me.
2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know that I am
incapable of reading and providing a cogent reply.

Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might help you, Iain.

Given your recent obsession with amphetamines, anti-depressants and
crystal meth, most of us can assume that the Krueger family medicine
cabinet is extremely full these days.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 9:02�am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...
On Jan 12, 1:56?am, "Iain Churches" wrote:





"Boon" wrote in message

....
On Jan 11, 5:20?am, "Iain Churches" wrote:

"Boon" wrote in message

....

The finer things in life have always been enjoyed by the discerning
few.

It's the poor mastering on so many CDs, that lead people to
the eronious conclusion that vinyl is a superior medium.
I would agree. ?To make it more confusing, we have quite a few new LP
releases that were pressed from digital masters and even CDs. That's
definitely hurting the whole LP revival.

Are you saying you think that LP masters should be cut
from analogue tapes?
Ah, in a perfect world.

Well it could easily be done, if the demand was there.
It's a simple job to make an analogue tape from a
digital original, and the analogue would still be first
generation by definition.

Agreed. Fortunately, it's being done with a great many LP reissues
these days. That's where the real action is at, with labels such as
MFSL, Speakers Corner and Classic Records.


Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these days.
The White Stripes have been able to get it done with analog AFAIK.

That's a Detroit band isn't it? �Maybe your pal Arny did
the mastering:-) �LOL.

Impossible. They sound good.


I don't mind the digital masters as much, but some LPs have apparently
been mastered from CDs, not masters.

Hmm. Interesting point. �Personally, if the CD used is a precise
unblemished clone of the studio master, then I can see nothing
wrong with that. �After all, one can make 100 generations of
digital copies (clones) and the 100th will be indistinguishable
from the first. But if the CD has been given the "smiley treatment"
in mastering, then it is useless.

If you simply want to purchase new releases in the LP format, it isn't
that much of a problem. But for audiophiles who love to compare the
two formats, it's pretty disappointing when they sound almost exactly
alike. The LP format is supposed to offer sonic advantages for those
who have that preference. LPs do not sound superior when they sound
just like the CDs with surface noise added.

That said, I recently compared the LP and the CD/SACD reissue of
Sinatra's Nice 'N' Easy and found that they sounded pretty close.
Fortunately it sounds spectacular either way, so I won't complain.


But it is interesting to compare an original LP with the
various versions of the same material issued, then
remastered several times over the interval of a
few years. ?The CDs get louder and louder,
brighter and brighter, with less and less dynamic
range. ?This is said to meet the developing public taste:-)
Ah yes, the Loudness Wars.

It's probably even �more virulent in the US than over here.
In fact, several radio stations in the Stockholm area that play
jazz, proudly announce, "no broadcast compression"

I solve it by playing those CDs in my car only. ;-)


I've always liked the customer service of Elusive Disc.

Yes. I am very happy to buy from them.

I love how they ask you how you liked the last albums you purchased
from them and make more recommendations. I know it's a sales ploy, but
it's still a nice touch.


Indeed it is. ?There are also albums and 12inch 45s that are
pressed in considerable numbers for radio and DJ use. ?These
are courtesy copies, and probably do not figure in sales statistics.
Not according to Arny, who believes that LP sales are being
artificially inflated by the "turntablists."

I take little notice of anything Arny says for two reasons.
1. He knows very little indeed which is of interest to me
2. The little he does know is subject to the most hideous bias.

Arny is a Have-Not, so he tends to miss out on the finer points.


The former EMI factory in Hayes, Midd'x, UK is now in private
hands, and producing 1million LPs per year.
Excellent! �I'm not sure what the RTI figures are, but I've visited on
a number of occasions and they had warehouses stacked with product and
were pressing like mad.

I haven't seen the latest BPI figts for the UK, but I understand that
the former EMI factory has all presses running. �Hopefully, they
will not get orders beyond capacity as that is when quality starts
to suffer. �The first place a pressing plant tries to save time is in
the pressing/cooling cycle. �When I used to go to theDecca
factory, I could aways make my way straight to the presses
tha were making the full price classical LPs, they were running
much slower than the others:-)

Vinyl outlets (snip)
I haven't seen too much of that here in the US...it's always a mix.

I chuckle whe I go to fairs, and see hundreds of people
milling around the vinyl sales areas. �Few people are looking
at the CD, even though they cost as little as 2 Euros!

Nice to chat with you on a sensible audio thread, Boon.

Yes, it is possible to do so on RAO as long as a certain paranoid
schizophrenic doesn't butt in.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 6:27�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

Almost without exception, �masters are digital these days.

An apparently little-known truth that many digital-haters would prefer not
to know.

Who's a digital hater? I have personally invested a lot of time and
effort into my digital playback and software and enjoy the results
immensely. I'm currently ripping everything to a McIntosh MS750 and
I'm very excited about it.

Again, the world is black and white to someone with a personality
disorder.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message

On Jan 12, 6:27?am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these
days.

An apparently little-known truth that many
digital-haters would prefer not to know.

Who's a digital hater?

People with a clear conscience will just pass this comment by, and people
whose conscience is bothering them may take exception.

Again, the world is black and white to someone with a
personality disorder.

You mean people who say "Yo, over here!" when someone mentions the
possibility that there are people who hate digital?

LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message


I have personally invested a lot
of time and effort into my digital playback and software
and enjoy the results immensely. I'm currently ripping
everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited about
it.

http://www.stereophile.com/mediaserv...ac/index5.html

Too bad about that.

Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 10:33�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



On Jan 12, 6:27?am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Digital is the great Satan to these luddites.

Almost without exception, ?masters are digital these
days.

An apparently little-known truth that many
digital-haters would prefer not to know.

Who's a digital hater?

People with a clear conscience will just pass this comment by, and people
whose conscience is bothering them may take exception.

Hating digital has nothing to do with one's conscience, idiot. Do you
honestly think there are moral implications to preferring one audio
format to another?


Again, the world is black and white to someone with a
personality disorder.

You mean people who say "Yo, over here!" when someone mentions the
possibility that there are people who hate digital?

You butted into a conversation I was having with Iain, remember?


LOL!

No, idiot...not LOL. You got caught with your pants down again.

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 10:50�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



I have personally invested a lot
of time and effort into my digital playback and software
and enjoy the results immensely. �I'm currently ripping
everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited about
it.

http://www.stereophile.com/mediaserv...ac/index5.html

Too bad about that.

Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.

Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for measurements?

ROTFLMAO!

Boon

[Boon]

By the way, from the same review:

"In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any difference
between the original CDs played on the MS750 and their stored FLAC
versions."

Boon

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 9:44�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

i.fi

I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
reasons.
1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to read his posts to
feel the ecstacy that his presence gives me.
2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know that I am
incapable of reading and providing a cogent reply.

Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might help you, Iain.

"They"? You mean your team of mental health care professionals?

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message

On Jan 12, 10:50?am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



I have personally invested a lot
of time and effort into my digital playback and software
and enjoy the results immensely. ?I'm currently ripping
everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited
about it.

http://www.stereophile.com/mediaserv...ac/index5.html

Too bad about that.

Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.

Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for
measurements?

Inabilty to remember relevant facts noted.

I've been using Stereophile measurements as one of my references for years,
when I agree with the way that they do the measurement that they are
presenting.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message


By the way, from the same review:

"In FLAC, I found it virtually impossible to detect any
difference between the original CDs played on the MS750
and their stored FLAC versions."

John's a lot older than you are, Marc. I wouldn't trust his ears to pick up
everything that a person your age, whose ears are in good shape could.

The Mac has a number of inherent quality problems, the IM, the jitter, and
the grounding problems. Not fitting for a high end product costing on the
order of $6K, not even particularly good for a $160 DVD player or a PC with
a good audio interface.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message

On Jan 12, 9:44?am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

i.fi

I take little notice of anything Arny says for two
reasons.
1. I'm totally obsessed with Arny. I don't even have to
read his posts to feel the ecstasy that his presence
gives me.
2. If you read my dozens of posts about him, you'd know
that I am incapable of reading and providing a cogent
reply.

Interesting, but very sad. They tell me that Paxil might
help you, Iain.

"They"? You mean your team of mental health care
professionals?

No Marc, I was thinking of your autobiographical comments in a message you
posted here on November 14, 2008.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...e?dmode=source

You know Marc, the one in which you admitted to your personal experiences
with Vicodin and Paxil.

[Boon]

On Jan 12, 1:06�pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message







On Jan 12, 10:50?am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



I have personally invested a lot
of time and effort into my digital playback and software
and enjoy the results immensely. ?I'm currently ripping
everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited
about it.

http://www.stereophile.com/mediaserv...ac/index5.html
Too bad about that.
Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.
Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for
measurements?

Inabilty to remember relevant facts noted.

I've been using Stereophile measurements as one of my references for years,
when I agree with the way that they do the measurement that they are
presenting.-

So you admit that you only use this information when it supports your
own biases. Interesting.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Boon" wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 1:06?pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message







On Jan 12, 10:50?am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



I have personally invested a lot
of time and effort into my digital playback and software
and enjoy the results immensely. ?I'm currently ripping
everything to a McIntosh MS750 and I'm very excited
about it.

http://www.stereophile.com/mediaserv...ac/index5.html
Too bad about that.
Get someone with a brain to explain it to you, Marc.
Oh, so suddenly Stereophile is your reference for
measurements?

Inabilty to remember relevant facts noted.

I've been using Stereophile measurements as one of my references for
years,
when I agree with the way that they do the measurement that they are
presenting.-

So you admit that you only use this information when it supports your
own biases. Interesting.

Can't we try to have at least one interesting thread
without it being polluted by the odious Mr K?

Iain