I have GOIA's recent meltdowns figured out

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

GOIA tries to come off as a fount of "useful audio knowledge".
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do not care about that any
more. They are more concerned with iPods and MP3 players.

This explains GOIA's desperate attempts to get accepted as a
"recording engineer". This is the only area that will matter in the
future as the buying publics' interest in audio equipment and high-
quality sound continues to dwindle. But GOIA dawdled too long and the
world has passed him by. It's probably too late for him to catch up
with those that were working on this aspect of audio long before GOIA,
like JA. And it must drive GOIA (even more) nuts that he'll never
catch JA.

Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on a stereo to
get good sound, when kids in high school dreamed not only of their
first car but also of their first stereo, perhaps GOIA has some
relevance. But that era has passed. It is GOIA's irrelevance that has
driven him insane and led to his recent meltdowns.

[BretLudwig]

>>"

Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on a stereo to
get good sound, when kids in high school dreamed not only of their
first car but also of their first stereo, perhaps GOIA has some
relevance. But that era has passed. It is GOIA's irrelevance that has
driven him insane and led to his recent meltdowns."<<

Horse****.

Average people don't keep high end saloons afloat, nor do they subscribe
to the likes of Stereopile, Vacuum Tube Valley, or AudioXPress. This is in
any of its aspects a highly specialized hobby, like foamers who dream of
getting a GG-1 under its own power down the mainline or amateur musicians
learning to play serpents, sackuts or sarrusaphones for "period"
performances.

--
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[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Idiot yapped:

> What a waste of time that was.

How much time did it cost you, Witless?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 2:42*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 16, 12:39*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
>
> *What a waste of time that was.

It's kind of like 'disussing' the military with you, 2pid. I provide
citations, sound reasoning, and logic. Yet at the end of the day, I'm
sure thatyou "believe" that you're still correct.

This took you the time to read three paragraphs. In your case you only
wasted two hours.

LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message


> My master and commander tries to come off as a fount of "useful audio
> knowledge".

As compared with you ****R, who seems to have no useful knowlege at all.

> Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do
> not care about that any more. They are more concerned
> with iPods and MP3 players.

I can, and have worked with that.

> This explains My master and commander 's desperate attempts to get
> accepted
> as a "recording engineer".

Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in that capacity.

> This is the only area that
> will matter in the future as the buying publics' interest
> in audio equipment and high- quality sound continues to
> dwindle.

That speaks to your misunderstaning of reality, ****R. People are still
plenty interested in high quality sound. They just don't have the time or
space to sit in a dedicated listening room in their homes and just listen to
music. Hence mobile audio.

> But I dawdled too long and the world has
> passed me by.

A surprising autobiographical comment, coming from you ****R. I guess all
those people were wrong when they told me that you had no insight into
yourself.

>It's probably too late for him to catch up
> with those that were working on this aspect of audio long
> before My master and commander , like JA.

That is simply not true. JA was wandering in the wilderness back in the
days when I had MP3 all sussed out.

> And it must drive GOIA (even more) nuts that he'll never catch JA.

I could really care less about whatever JA does, except perhaps to critique
it if it is really bad.

> Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on
> a stereo to get good sound,

Never happened. Hence "mid-fi".

> when kids in high school
> dreamed not only of their first car but also of their
> first stereo,

Today, they dream about having both in the same place.


> It is my (****R) irrelevance as demonstrated by this lame post, that has
> driven
> me insane and led to his recent meltdowns.

Sorry to hear about that, ****R. Maybe Dr. Gindi has something for you, too.

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
: > This explains My master and commander 's desperate
attempts to get
: > accepted
: > as a "recording engineer".
:
: Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in
that capacity.
:
Where may the public be exposed to any example of this "near
over-employed" effort? To be that sort after you must be
good ;-)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

TT said:

> > Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in
> > that capacity.

> Where may the public be exposed to any example of this "near
> over-employed" effort? To be that sort after you must be
> good ;-)

Ask Turdborg to confess his hourly rate, and you'll see why he's "in demand".

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 3:31*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 16, 12:54*pm, George M. Middius >
> wrote:
>
> > The Idiot yapped:
>
> > > *What a waste of time that was.
>
> > How much time did it cost you, Witless?
>
> Lots less than it cost sshhtard, thank god.

I can knock something like this out in a couple of minutes.

You see, I'm a good writer. And what I said is accurate. ;-)

LoL

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 3:33*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 16, 1:07*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 2:42*pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 16, 12:39*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > *What a waste of time that was.
>
> > It's kind of like 'disussing' the military
>
> * disussing sounds like an appropriate description of what you do.

Good one, 2pid.

I can't wait until you bring the military up...again. I have so much
fun when you do. ;-)

Lol

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 2:48*pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> >>"
>
> Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on a stereo to
> get good sound, when kids in high school dreamed not only of their
> first car but also of their first stereo, perhaps GOIA has some
> relevance. But that era has passed. It is GOIA's irrelevance that has
> driven him insane and led to his recent meltdowns."<<
>
> *Horse****.

Prove it. ;-)

> *Average people don't keep high end saloons afloat, nor do they subscribe
> to the likes of Stereopile, Vacuum Tube Valley, or AudioXPress. This is in
> any of its aspects a highly specialized hobby, like foamers who dream of
> getting a GG-1 under its own power down the mainline or amateur musicians
> learning to play serpents, sackuts or sarrusaphones for "period"
> performances.

I was, of course, referring to the mid-fi that GOIA was
"knowledgeable" about.

GOIA never understood high-end. ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 3:34*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > My master and commander

Here's an idea to save time, GOIA: we'll assume that you go back and
change the quoted text to read this. We can then assume that I'll
change it to "peckerhead".

That will be much more efficient.

> tries to come off as a fount of "useful audio
> > knowledge".
>
> As compared with you ****R, who seems to have no useful knowlege at all.

What do you want to discuss, GOIA? This is the second time I've asked
you.

> > *Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do
> > not care about that any more. They are more concerned
> > with iPods and MP3 players.
>
> I can, and have worked with that.

Goody.

> > This explains My master and commander 's

See above.

> desperate attempts to get
> > accepted
> > as a "recording engineer".
>
> Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in that capacity.

With high school festivals. I was talking serious recording.

> > This is the only area that
> > will matter in the future as the buying publics' interest
> > in audio equipment and high- quality sound continues to
> > dwindle.
>
> That speaks to your misunderstaning of reality, ****R. People are still
> plenty interested in high quality sound. They just don't have the time or
> space to sit in a dedicated listening room in their homes and just listen to
> music. Hence mobile audio.

"High-quality" and "ear buds"? LOL!

Let's compromise: "acceptable" sound.

> > *But I *dawdled too long and the world has
> > passed me by.
>
> A surprising autobiographical comment, coming from you ****R. I guess all
> those people were wrong when they told me that you had no insight into
> yourself.

The "1,000s of lurkers"? LOL!

So how's Francis?

> >It's probably too late for him to catch up
> > with those that were working on this aspect of audio long
> > before My master and commander , like JA.
>
> That is simply not true. *JA was wandering in the wilderness back in the
> days when I had MP3 all sussed out.

What does that have to do with my comment, even assuming that your
"cliam" is true?

Nada.

> > And it must drive GOIA (even more) nuts that he'll never catch JA.
>
> I could really care less about whatever JA does, except I dream of JA
> doing me. It makes it hard to sleep sometimes.

Do you really want to continue down this childish road, GOIA?

> > Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on
> > a stereo to get good sound,
>
> Never happened. Hence "mid-fi".

Happened. A far greater pecentage of people back then were after
higher-quality sound. Stereos were status symbols. They are no longer.

> > when kids in high school
> > dreamed not only of their first car but also of their
> > first stereo,
>
> Today, they dream about having both in the same place.

The rolling boomboxes playing rap with distorted bass at 135 decibels?

> > It is my (****R)

Nice catch, GOIA. You almost poked yourself with your own reedit. LOL!

> > irrelevance as demonstrated by this lame post, *that has
> > driven
> > me insane and led to his recent meltdowns.
>
> I still want you. You are very smart and very handsome.
> Might I suggest a foursome with me, my wife, you and my daughter?

No thanks, GOIA. That sounds pretty dreadful and who knows what
diseases I'd catch.

[TT]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message ...
:
:
: TT said:
:
: > > Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed
in
: > > that capacity.
:
: > Where may the public be exposed to any example of this
"near
: > over-employed" effort? To be that sort after you must
be
: > good ;-)
:
: Ask Turdborg to confess his hourly rate, and you'll see
why he's "in demand".
:
He's cheap! Errr... free as well ;-)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Angry White Moron yapped:

> You really don't have a clue what content means.

I know you're not content. Admittedly, how many of us would be with your
handicaps? Still, you've had more than 50 years to get used to being the
slowest person in the group. You should have gotten past your anger by now.

BTW, what did your therapist say about your resentment of your mommy and her
addictions?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 9:29*pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in messagenews:fi5e54lovrt3i9talm0t66pkm65b1n6nao@4ax .com...
>
>
>
> > The Angry White Moron yapped:
>
> >> You really don't have a clue what content means.
>
> > I know you're not content.
>
> George demonstrates that reading and writing are really
> different skills.

Fascinating take, 2pid.

Anyway, is a 155mm SP a "tank" IYO? Is it "Armor"?

C'mon, 2pid. There are 1,000s of lurkers worldwide wondering.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

In an interesting psychological experiment, it appears that being
really stupid is better than being totally insane:

On Jun 17, 12:42*am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> On Jun 16, 9:29 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > "George M. Middius" > wrote in
>
> > > The Angry White Moron yapped:
>
> > >> You really don't have a clue what content means.
>
> > > I know you're not content.
>
> > George demonstrates that reading and writing are really
> > different skills.
>
> Fascinating take, 2pid.
>
> :Anyway, is a 155mm SP a "tank" IYO?
>
> No.

Very good.

> : Is it "Armor"?

> They can have armor but that isn't what they're usually called.

It isn't what they're *ever* called.

> You'd think an ex-artillery guy like you would know its
> a howitzer.

Really? GOIA will be so disappointed.

Lol

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
>
> �What a waste of time that was.

I think he has a point. I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
downloading, etc. Arny's not the only one out there acting like
this. We've been getting threatening emails at the magazine from a
guy named Gerald Porzio who saying horrible things about the
publisher, his family, his children, etc. This is a guy in his 60s
who was a stereo repairman or something similar back in the day. If
you read these emails, you'd think he was a teenager. There was
actually a time when this guy was offering somewhat coherent views on
objective audio, and then he just cracked.

Fortunately, Arny has moved on to the world of computers and is still
probably able to make a decent living.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
> > On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > �What a waste of time that was.
>
> > I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
> > timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
> > precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
> > downloading, etc. Â*
>
> Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
> or so you've implied.
> I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> these days.
>
> > Arny's not the only one out there acting like
> > this. Â*We've been getting threatening emails at the magazine from a
> > guy named Gerald Porzio who saying horrible things about the
> > publisher, his family, his children, etc. Â*This is a guy in his 60s
> > who was a stereo repairman or something similar back in the day. If
> > you read these emails, you'd think he was a teenager. Â*There was
> > actually a time when this guy was offering somewhat coherent views on
> > objective audio, and then he just cracked.
>
> > Fortunately, Arny has moved on to the world of computers and is still
> > probably able to make a decent living.
>
> So we should devote another newsgroup to Gerald Porzio?
> Shhh may have a point Â*re Arny but I'll never understand why anyone
> would
> care.

Maybe you'll care about the quality of your newsgroup mates when
someone like Bob writes an email to your boss because you hurt his
feelings.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
> > On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > �What a waste of time that was.
>
> > I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
> > timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
> > precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
> > downloading, etc. Â*
>
> Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
> or so you've implied.

That's one of the reasons we're shifting the focus toward music.
Audio is full of so much bitterness these days. No matter what you
print about audio, someone is going to attack you for your views.

When you write about music, people thank you. They don't whine and
complain. What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?

Boon

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Vinylanach said:

> When you write about music, people thank you. They don't whine and
> complain. What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?

If you take the whining and complaining and throw in a plentiful supply of
turds, you've got Krooger's Kompyootur Repair Shop.

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 9:49*am, Vinylanach > wrote:
>

>
> * Odd perspective. *Their "precious" hobby is your career
> or so you've implied.
> I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> these days.
>

Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract the
twenty
somethings market!

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 11:30Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 10:51Â*am, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > �What a waste of time that was.
>
> > > > I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
> > > > timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
> > > > precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
> > > > downloading, etc. Â*
>
> > > Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
> > > or so you've implied.
>
> > That's one of the reasons we're shifting the focus toward music.
> > Audio is full of so much bitterness these days. Â*No matter what you
> > print about audio, someone is going to attack you for your views.
>
> I think if you're going to be in the public eye, no matter what you
> print,
> some nutball somewhere will take offense.
> Wait till you try to explain why you think some band has become
> formulaic
> or something and the rabid fans come after you.
>
>
>
> > When you write about music, people thank you. Â*They don't whine and
> > complain. Â*What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?
>
> Obviously the latter. Â* But a benign public environment in media or
> really
> any business doesn't exist IMO. Â*Audio squabbling isn't unique.
> Your lucky the crazies you
> face don't have the resources to hire whole law firms to think of
> ways to f'up your business. Â*Big corporations do that everyday.
> At our stockholders mtg the CEO joked that we're hiring 5000
> people in the next year and only 1500 of 'em wil be attorneys.
> Trouble is, the truth isn't too far from that.

Those are some good points. But the fact is, it's common practice
these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
crazies. For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. It's
better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. Plus,
it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
"letters" section in magazines.

I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
was my mistake. Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for business.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 12:51Â*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 12:25Â*pm, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 11:30Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 17, 10:51Â*am, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > �What a waste of time that was.
>
> > > > > > I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
> > > > > > timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
> > > > > > precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
> > > > > > downloading, etc. Â*
>
> > > > > Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
> > > > > or so you've implied.
>
> > > > That's one of the reasons we're shifting the focus toward music.
> > > > Audio is full of so much bitterness these days. Â*No matter what you
> > > > print about audio, someone is going to attack you for your views.
>
> > > I think if you're going to be in the public eye, no matter what you
> > > print,
> > > some nutball somewhere will take offense.
> > > Wait till you try to explain why you think some band has become
> > > formulaic
> > > or something and the rabid fans come after you.
>
> > > > When you write about music, people thank you. Â*They don't whine and
> > > > complain. Â*What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?
>
> > > Obviously the latter. Â* But a benign public environment in media or
> > > really
> > > any business doesn't exist IMO. Â*Audio squabbling isn't unique.
> > > Your lucky the crazies you
> > > face don't have the resources to hire whole law firms to think of
> > > ways to f'up your business. Â*Big corporations do that everyday.
> > > At our stockholders mtg the CEO joked that we're hiring 5000
> > > people in the next year and only 1500 of 'em wil be attorneys.
> > > Trouble is, the truth isn't too far from that.
>
> > Those are some good points. Â*But the fact is, it's common practice
> > these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
> > crazies. Â*For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
> > because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. Â*It's
> > better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. Â*Plus,
> > it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
> > "letters" section in magazines.
>
> > I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
> > was my mistake. Â*
>
> Â*and it's really sad that you have to do stuff like that.
> I don't think Bob understands the consequences of his actions.
>
> > Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
> > like newsgroups and dicussion forums. Â*They're bad for business.
>
> Certainly not good for it. Â*We're all just posters here.
>
> I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
> but still kind of interesting. Â*The media wars between the old
> newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
> AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
> AP stories. Â* There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
> all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
> The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
> banking their future on the internet. Â*It's a strange world.

Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
Who is Steve Sailer? Why should we care?

Boon

[BretLudwig]

Boon:

>>"Those are some good points. But the fact is, it's common practice
these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
crazies. For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. It's
better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. Plus,
it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
"letters" section in magazines.

I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
was my mistake. Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for business."<<


Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.

Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're (attempting
to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you ALWAYS
edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial, DIY,
or vintage stuff. And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd
estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your evaluations.

Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.

I've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I first noticed
it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My dad
idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said about
airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
took out many full page ads in the magazine.

Funny how that worked.

You can not put out a commercial publication without kissing ass or a no
advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
right now.

As to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to his web
site.

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[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 1:26�pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 1:15�pm, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
>
>
> > > I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
> > > but still kind of interesting. �The media wars between the old
> > > newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
> > > AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
> > > AP stories. � There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
> > > all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
> > > The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
> > > banking their future on the internet. �It's a strange world.
>
> > Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
> > Who is Steve Sailer? �Why should we care?
>
> I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. �But there's been lots
> of
> stuff on RAO I find annoying. �Weil vs Howard post #442 was
> particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
> Jenn analyzes Arny �for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
> again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.
> �I've been told I'm annoying by some people
> though I simply can't believe they mean it. �Seriously, how could
> that be? � :)
> While I do think the Arny resistance is more annoying than Arny
> and I'll always say so, there isn't much anyone can do about any
> of it besides ignore it or bitch about it or participate in it.
> Nothing good comes of going real world.
>
> So who's playing in your concert or whatever you're promoting?

I'd tell you the singer-songwriter's name, but Bob'll write him a
letter, too. It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
so.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 2:04�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> Boon:
>
> >>"Those are some good points. �But the fact is, it's common practice
>
> these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
> crazies. �For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
> because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. �It's
> better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. �Plus,
> it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
> "letters" section in magazines.
>
> I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
> was my mistake. �Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
> like newsgroups and dicussion forums. �They're bad for business."<<
>
> �Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.
>
> �Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're (attempting
> to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you ALWAYS
> edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial, DIY,
> or vintage stuff.

Wrong. We have monthly columns devoted to that stuff. We've recently
reviewed equipment from Luxman, Rotel, Sony and even Apple.

And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd
> estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your evaluations.

Based upon what facts? Have you even read the magazine, or are you
just guessing?

>
> �Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.

Whatever that means. Sounds like you're pulling the class card.

>
> �I've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I first noticed
> it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My dad
> idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said about
> airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
> were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
> took out many full page ads in the magazine.
>
> �Funny how that worked.

And yet we give great reviews to manufacturers who advertise (and who
have told us they never will), and we've given so-so reviews to people
who do. If you work it out statistically, there's no correlation
betwen our advertisers and our reviews. The only place we're accused
of doing that, BTW, is on Internet discussion groups.

>
> �You can not put out a commercial publication without kissing ass or a no
> advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
> only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
> Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
> basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
> right now.

There's some truth to that on a theoretical level. But realistically,
the manufacturers are tired of that argument as well. I've had two
manufacturers actually tell me to avoid writing a rave review and to
be candid with criticisms. We've had several manufacturers buy ads
because they found our honesty to be refreshing, and that we didn't
act as if we were in the pockets of the advertisers. In fact, we're
one of the few audio publications where a large percentage of our ads
are not related directly to audio. We have ads from computer
companies, jewelers, camera companies and even Porsche.

Besides, that whole argument has a big flaw in it. If we posted great
reviews of an advertiser's product, and it isn't great...our
reputation goes down the toilet. Neither the manufacturer nor the
magazine truly benefits from that. We've actually turned down ads
from companies because we didn't like their products, and we would
have felt like whores if we had gone ahead and cashed a check.

>
> �As to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to his web
> site.

I have. I still don't know his qualifications, or why you worship
him.

Boon

[UnsteadyKen]

Vinylanach said:

> It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
> so.

Can you post a link for tht? I've only just found your Vinyl
Anacrophile pages after following the link in 1st post in this
thread.
I've also realised I've been reading your name wrong all this time, I
thought you were Vinylarach, plastic spider? Double doh!
I'm off to choose a sensible font:-)
--
Ken
Contribute to: www.audiophilewiki.org

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 3:23�pm, UnsteadyKen > wrote:
> Vinylanach �said:
>
> > �It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
> > so.
>
> Can you post a link for tht? I've only just found your Vinyl
> Anacrophile pages after following the link in 1st post in this
> thread.
> I've also realised I've been reading your name wrong all this time, I
> thought you were Vinylarach, �plastic spider? Double doh!
> I'm off to choose a sensible font:-)
> --
> Ken
> Contribute to:www.audiophilewiki.org

Please e-mail me at . I don't want to give any
information to you-know-who.

Boon

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 17, 1:15*pm, Vinylanach > wrote:
> >
> > > I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
> > > but still kind of interesting. *The media wars between the old
> > > newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
> > > AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
> > > AP stories. * There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
> > > all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
> > > The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
> > > banking their future on the internet. *It's a strange world.
> >
> > Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
> > Who is Steve Sailer? *Why should we care?
>
> I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. But there's been lots
> of
> stuff on RAO I find annoying. Weil vs Howard post #442 was
> particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
> Jenn analyzes Arny for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
> again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.

Again, you're a victim of the "glass houses" syndrome.

[BretLudwig]

Boon:

>>" like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for
business."<=
<
>
Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.

Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're
(attem=
pting
> to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you
ALWAYS
> edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial,
DIY,
> or vintage stuff.

Wrong. We have monthly columns devoted to that stuff. We've recently
reviewed equipment from Luxman, Rotel, Sony and even Apple.

And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd
> estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your
evaluations.

Based upon what facts? Have you even read the magazine, or are you
just guessing?

>
Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.

Whatever that means. Sounds like you're pulling the class card.

>
> =EF=BF=BDI've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I
first=
noticed
> it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My
da=
d
> idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said
about=

> airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
> were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
> took out many full page ads in the magazine.
>
Funny how that worked.

And yet we give great reviews to manufacturers who advertise (and who
have told us they never will), and we've given so-so reviews to people
who do. If you work it out statistically, there's no correlation
betwen our advertisers and our reviews. The only place we're accused
of doing that, BTW, is on Internet discussion groups.

>
> =EF=BF=BDYou can not put out a commercial publication without kissing
ass =
or a no
> advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
> only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
> Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
> basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
> right now.

There's some truth to that on a theoretical level. But realistically,
the manufacturers are tired of that argument as well. I've had two
manufacturers actually tell me to avoid writing a rave review and to
be candid with criticisms. We've had several manufacturers buy ads
because they found our honesty to be refreshing, and that we didn't
act as if we were in the pockets of the advertisers. In fact, we're
one of the few audio publications where a large percentage of our ads
are not related directly to audio. We have ads from computer
companies, jewelers, camera companies and even Porsche.

Besides, that whole argument has a big flaw in it. If we posted great
reviews of an advertiser's product, and it isn't great...our
reputation goes down the toilet. Neither the manufacturer nor the
magazine truly benefits from that. We've actually turned down ads
from companies because we didn't like their products, and we would
have felt like whores if we had gone ahead and cashed a check.

>
] to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to
hi=
s web
> site.

I have. I still don't know his qualifications, or why you worship
him."<<

I'm going by your comments here because I don't even know how to find
your magazine.

What you say may be so, I am not disputing it, but I can say I've heard a
general pro-current-expensive-saloonware current in your comments.
Particularly pro-ARC and Conrad Johnson, two brands that have cheapened
their lines in terms of construction quality and have had problems. I've
heard their stuff: I've heard lots of homebrews that sounded as good as
good or better. I think you were also pro-Linn Sondek rabidly, a piece
that is nothing more than the old AR turntable with better metal
finishing.

--
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[BretLudwig]

I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.

He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
biocentric causes of differential human behavior.

--
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[BretLudwig]

I don't recall having said, "Upon careful reading of this magazine, I
find...." I was going by your Usenet comments and never said otherwise,
although I will concede that arguably I should have said so.

What did Sailer's movie review factually misstate? You should probably
let him know, see what he says.


Give us a link to this publication's web site again, will you? I'll give
it the courtesy of a readthrough.

--
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[BretLudwig]

FWIW I have owned and/or repaired several Conrad Johnson pieces. They
aren't terrible but some have issues needing rework (which the factory did
acknowledge, sort of, but late and grudgingly) and they don't do a thing
sonically any of the classic Acro or RCA tube manual/HF-110 designs built
with halfway decent parts wouldn't.

--
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More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 4:42�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> Boon:
>
> >>" �like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for
>
> business."<=
> <
>
> Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.
>
> Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're
> (attem=
> pting
>
> > to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you
> ALWAYS
> > edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial,
> DIY,
> > or vintage stuff.
>
> Wrong. �We have monthly columns devoted to that stuff. �We've recently
> reviewed equipment from Luxman, Rotel, Sony and even Apple.
>
> �And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd> estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your
>
> evaluations.
>
> Based upon what facts? �Have you even read the magazine, or are you
> just guessing?
>
>
>
> Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.
>
> Whatever that means. �Sounds like you're pulling the class card.
>
>
>
> > =EF=BF=BDI've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I
>
> first=
> �noticed> it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My
>
> da=
> d> idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said
>
> about=
>
> > airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
> > were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
> > took out many full page ads in the magazine.
>
> Funny how that worked.
>
> And yet we give great reviews to manufacturers who advertise (and who
> have told us they never will), and we've given so-so reviews to people
> who do. �If you work it out statistically, there's no correlation
> betwen our advertisers and our reviews. �The only place we're accused
> of doing that, BTW, is on Internet discussion groups.
>
>
>
> > =EF=BF=BDYou can not put out a commercial publication without kissing
>
> ass =
> or a no
>
> > advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
> > only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
> > Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
> > basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
> > right now.
>
> There's some truth to that on a theoretical level. �But realistically,
> the manufacturers are tired of that argument as well. �I've had two
> manufacturers actually tell me to avoid writing a rave review and to
> be candid with criticisms. �We've had several manufacturers buy ads
> because they found our honesty to be refreshing, and that we didn't
> act as if we were in the pockets of the advertisers. In fact, we're
> one of the few audio publications where a large percentage of our ads
> are not related directly to audio. �We have ads from computer
> companies, jewelers, camera companies and even Porsche.
>
> Besides, that whole argument has a big flaw in it. �If we posted great
> reviews of an advertiser's product, and it isn't great...our
> reputation goes down the toilet. �Neither the manufacturer nor the
> magazine truly benefits from that. �We've actually turned down ads
> from companies because we didn't like their products, and we would
> have felt like whores if we had gone ahead and cashed a check.
>
>
>
> ] to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to
> hi=
> s web
>
> > site.
>
> I have. �I still don't know his qualifications, or why you worship
> him."<<
>
> �I'm going by your comments here because I don't even know how to find
> your magazine.

In other words, you thought you'd make general comments about my
magazine, and you don't even know what my magazine is. Got it.
>
> �What you say may be so, I am not disputing it, but I can say I've heard a
> general pro-current-expensive-saloonware current in your comments.
> Particularly pro-ARC and Conrad Johnson, two brands that have �cheapened
> their lines in terms of construction quality and have had problems. I've
> heard their stuff: I've heard lots of homebrews that sounded as good as
> good or better. I think you were also pro-Linn Sondek rabidly, a piece
> that is nothing more than the old AR turntable with better metal
> finishing.

I'm not pro-ARC. I do like CJ. I've had hundreds of hours of
experience with it. I'm not pro-Linn, either.

It helps to be armed with the truth before you try to engage someone
in a discussion.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 4:45�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> �I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
> unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
> really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
> concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.
>
> �He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
> biocentric causes of differential human behavior.

He's a ****ty movie reviewer. The last one you quoted was chock full
of misinformation. If he can screw up a mere movie review, how can we
take him seriously on the important issues?

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 17, 2:51*pm, ScottW > wrote:

> There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
> all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.

There was somebody here recently who linked the views of the Daily Kos
(IIRC) with the views of someone who replied to a blog on that site.
The funny thing was that the blogger had already been shot down at the
Daily Kos and the Huffington Post.

It's a good thing that someone like you would be 'smart' enough to see
through that. ;-)

Lol

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jun 17, 2:35 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW > wrote:
> > I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> > these days.
>
> Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract
> the twenty somethings market!

So I am told :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 5:42�pm, "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jun 17, 4:45?pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
>
> > ?I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
> > unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
> > really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
> > concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.
>
> > ?He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
> > biocentric causes of differential human behavior.
>
> He's a ****ty movie reviewer. �The last one you quoted was chock full
> of misinformation. �If he can screw up a mere movie review, how can we
> take him seriously on the important issues?
>
> Boon
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�-------------
> Exactly my complaint about you. An ass, a seat, and attitude.

Is this your idea of following me around, making my life miserable?
Hmmm. People will start to killfile you, just like Bwian. You've
just made your own nightmare come true, Bob. Bravo.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 5:08�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> �FWIW I have owned and/or repaired several Conrad Johnson pieces. They
> aren't terrible but some have issues needing rework (which the factory did
> acknowledge, sort of, but late and grudgingly) and they don't do a thing
> sonically any of the classic Acro or RCA tube manual/HF-110 designs built
> with halfway decent parts wouldn't.

We just received a MV-75 at the office, and we popped open the innards
and found a rat's nest. This isn't CJ's fault, just the fault of the
repair guy who worked on it once. Today's CJs are very impressive
from engineering standpoints, and garner the respect of most designers
in the field. They use the best parts available, such as RTI teflon
caps.

My next project is going to be a restoration of an MV-50. You can
find one for around $650 to $1000. Then I'm going to swap out the
caps and wiring with the current standard. It'll cost me $850 to
$1200 for the whole deal, and it will be one sweet-sounding amp. It
won't be a paragon of accuracy, but it will offer a nice, smooth,
pleasing and classic tube sound.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 16:26, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 1:15*pm, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
>
>
> > > I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
> > > but still kind of interesting. *The media wars between the old
> > > newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
> > > AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
> > > AP stories. * There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
> > > all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
> > > The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
> > > banking their future on the internet. *It's a strange world.
>
> > Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
> > Who is Steve Sailer? *Why should we care?
>
> I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. *But there's been lots
> of
> stuff on RAO I find annoying. *Weil vs Howard post #442 was
> particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
> Jenn analyzes Arny *for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
> again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.
> *I've been told I'm annoying by some people
> though I simply can't believe they mean it. *Seriously, how could
> that be? * :)

You and Shhh arguing military issues is a big yawn.
On BOTH sides.
But have at, and have fun doing it, I don't
have to read it if I don't want to.



> While I do think the Arny resistance is more annoying than Arny
> and I'll always say so, there isn't much anyone can do about any
> of it besides ignore it or bitch about it or participate in it.
> Nothing good comes of going real world.
>
> So who's playing in your concert or whatever you're promoting?
>
> ScottW

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 19:00, Vinylanach > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 3:23�pm, UnsteadyKen > wrote:
>
> > Vinylanach �said:
>
> > > �It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
> > > so.
>
> > Can you post a link for tht? I've only just found your Vinyl
> > Anacrophile pages after following the link in 1st post in this
> > thread.
> > I've also realised I've been reading your name wrong all this time, I
> > thought you were Vinylarach, �plastic spider? Double doh!
> > I'm off to choose a sensible font:-)
> > --
> > Ken
> > Contribute to:www.audiophilewiki.org
>
> Please e-mail me at . Â*I don't want to give any
> information to you-know-who.
>
> Boon


Just give us the wrong name, he can
letter bomb soem dude who has nothing to do with this.

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 20:33, John Atkinson > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2:35 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW > wrote:
> > > I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> > > these days.
>
> > Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract
> > the twenty somethings market!
>
> So I am told :-)
>

its the latest buzz

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 6:39Â*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 17 Iun, 19:00, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 3:23�pm, UnsteadyKen > wrote:
>
> > > Vinylanach �said:
>
> > > > �It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
> > > > so.
>
> > > Can you post a link for tht? I've only just found your Vinyl
> > > Anacrophile pages after following the link in 1st post in this
> > > thread.
> > > I've also realised I've been reading your name wrong all this time, I
> > > thought you were Vinylarach, �plastic spider? Double doh!
> > > I'm off to choose a sensible font:-)
> > > --
> > > Ken
> > > Contribute to:www.audiophilewiki.org
>
> > Please e-mail me at . Â*I don't want to give any
> > information to you-know-who.
>
> > Boon
>
> Just give us the wrong name, he can
> letter bomb soem dude who has nothing to do with this.-

He already did. Jason Gross was the wrong guy.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 21:20, Vinylanach > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 5:42�pm, "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > On Jun 17, 4:45?pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
>
> > > ?I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
> > > unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
> > > really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
> > > concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.
>
> > > ?He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
> > > biocentric causes of differential human behavior.
>
> > He's a ****ty movie reviewer. �The last one you quoted was chock full
> > of misinformation. �If he can screw up a mere movie review, how can we
> > take him seriously on the important issues?
>
> > Boon
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------Â*�-------------
> > Exactly my complaint about you. An ass, a seat, and attitude.
>
> Is this your idea of following me around, making my life miserable?
> Hmmm. Â*People will start to killfile you, just like Bwian. Â*You've
> just made your own nightmare come true, Bob. Â*Bravo.
>
> Boon-

All Bob wants ios to be taken seriously.
He feels that you infringed on that
So he goes nuts, takes his feuds out Usenet,
acts like an ass, and the end result is that his
own behavior leads the rest of us to dismiss him. He has hurt
himself a hndred times worse than you have.
He is the one who is subverting his own goals.
He night as well pack it up, NOBODY
holds him in any kind of positive regard right now.
Nothjing he says is taken seriously,
and NOBODY want s to discuss audio issues with him.
We couldn't care less about his recordings
anbd his recording 'career', such that it is.

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 6:47Â*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 17 Iun, 21:20, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 5:42�pm, "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>
> > > "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
> > > On Jun 17, 4:45?pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
>
> > > > ?I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
> > > > unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
> > > > really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
> > > > concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more..
>
> > > > ?He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
> > > > biocentric causes of differential human behavior.
>
> > > He's a ****ty movie reviewer. �The last one you quoted was chock full
> > > of misinformation. �If he can screw up a mere movie review, how can we
> > > take him seriously on the important issues?
>
> > > Boon
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------Â*Â*�-------------
> > > Exactly my complaint about you. An ass, a seat, and attitude.
>
> > Is this your idea of following me around, making my life miserable?
> > Hmmm. Â*People will start to killfile you, just like Bwian. Â*You've
> > just made your own nightmare come true, Bob. Â*Bravo.
>
> > Boon-
>
> All Bob wants ios to be taken seriously.
> He feels that you infringed on that
> So he goes nuts, takes his feuds out Usenet,
> acts like an ass, and the end result is that his
> own behavior leads the rest of us to dismiss him. He has hurt
> himself a hndred times worse than you have.
> He is the one who is subverting his own goals.
> He night as well pack it up, NOBODY
> holds him in any kind of positive regard right now.
> Nothjing he says is taken seriously,
> and NOBODY want s to discuss audio issues with him.
> We couldn't care less about his recordings
> anbd his recording 'career', such that it is.

The sad thing is, I could have helped him with his recording career.
I'm helping others, that's for sure! But crazy people do self-
destructive things.

Once Bob emailed me and asked if I would review a recording he'd
done. I said sure, and even gave the crackpot my address. He never
sent me anything. I think he just wanted my address on file just in
case I ever crossed him.

Boy, am I glad that I moved from that address.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 22:00, Vinylanach > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 6:47Â*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 17 Iun, 21:20, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 17, 5:42�pm, "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>
> > > > "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> > > ...
> > > > On Jun 17, 4:45?pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
>
> > > > > ?I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
> > > > > unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
> > > > > really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
> > > > > concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.
>
> > > > > ?He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
> > > > > biocentric causes of differential human behavior.
>
> > > > He's a ****ty movie reviewer. �The last one you quoted was chock full
> > > > of misinformation. �If he can screw up a mere movie review, how can we
> > > > take him seriously on the important issues?
>
> > > > Boon
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------Â*Â*Â*�-------------
> > > > Exactly my complaint about you. An ass, a seat, and attitude.
>
> > > Is this your idea of following me around, making my life miserable?
> > > Hmmm. Â*People will start to killfile you, just like Bwian. Â*You've
> > > just made your own nightmare come true, Bob. Â*Bravo.
>
> > > Boon-
>
> > All Bob wants ios to be taken seriously.
> > He feels that you infringed on that
> > So he goes nuts, takes his feuds out Usenet,
> > acts like an ass, and the end result is that his
> > own behavior leads the rest of us to dismiss him. He has hurt
> > himself a hndred times worse than you have.
> > He is the one who is subverting his own goals.
> > He night as well pack it up, NOBODY
> > holds him in any kind of positive regard right now.
> > Nothjing he says is taken seriously,
> > and NOBODY want s to discuss audio issues with him.
> > We couldn't care less about his recordings
> > anbd his recording 'career', such that it is.
>
> The sad thing is, I could have helped him with his recording career.
> I'm helping others, that's for sure! Â*But crazy people do self-
> destructive things.
>
> Once Bob emailed me and asked if I would review a recording he'd
> done. Â*I said sure, and even gave the crackpot my address. Â*He never
> sent me anything. Â*I think he just wanted my address on file just in
> case I ever crossed him.
>
> Boy, am I glad that I moved from that address.
>
> Boon-

My real address is readily available from various net sources.
He doesn't need to ask.
He did, so I sent him one of my addresses.
this also was for a recording I will probably never get.

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 22:09, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 6:42*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 17 Iun, 20:33, John Atkinson > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 17, 2:35 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW > wrote:
> > > > > I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> > > > > these days.
>
> > > > Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract
> > > > the twenty somethings market!
>
> > > So I am told :-)
>
> > its the latest buzz
>
> *Ursus not doing it for you?
>
>

when back in the US, my only source is form California.
So when in the US, I drink Yuengling Traditional Lager
good, but very different.

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 22:09, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 5:33*pm, John Atkinson > wrote:
>
> > On Jun 17, 2:35 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW > wrote:
> > > > I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> > > > these days.
>
> > > Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract
> > > the twenty somethings market!
>
> > So I am told :-)
>
> *DBTs of MP3 players might be a hit.
>

as well as a DBT's of tin cans attached by a string.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 17, 4:29*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *ScottW > wrote:
> > > On Jun 17, 1:15*pm, Vinylanach > wrote:
> >
> > > > > I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
> > > > > but still kind of interesting. *The media wars between the old
> > > > > newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
> > > > > AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
> > > > > AP stories. * There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
> > > > > all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
> > > > > The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
> > > > > banking their future on the internet. *It's a strange world.
> >
> > > > Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
> > > > Who is Steve Sailer? *Why should we care?
> >
> > > I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. *But there's been lots
> > > of
> > > stuff on RAO I find annoying. *Weil vs Howard post #442 was
> > > particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
> > > Jenn analyzes Arny *for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
> > > again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.
> >
> > Again, you're a victim of the "glass houses" syndrome.
>
> Plexiglass, now try not to be annoying.
>
> ScottW

Try not to toss stones while living in a glass house.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 17, 8:37*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 17 Iun, 16:26, ScottW > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 1:15*pm, Vinylanach > wrote:
>
> > > > I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
> > > > but still kind of interesting. *The media wars between the old
> > > > newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
> > > > AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
> > > > AP stories. * There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
> > > > all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
> > > > The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
> > > > banking their future on the internet. *It's a strange world.
>
> > > Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
> > > Who is Steve Sailer? *Why should we care?
>
> > I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. *But there's been lots
> > of
> > stuff on RAO I find annoying. *Weil vs Howard post #442 was
> > particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
> > Jenn analyzes Arny *for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
> > again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.
> > *I've been told I'm annoying by some people
> > though I simply can't believe they mean it. *Seriously, how could
> > that be? * :)
>
> You and Shhh arguing military issues is a big yawn.

Yup.

> On BOTH sides.

Nope. :-)

> But have at, and have fun doing it, I don't
> have to read it if I don't want to.

You and 2pid are very similar here. The difference is that 2pid
responds. LoL

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 17, 9:45*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 7:20*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 17 Iun, 22:09, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 17, 6:42*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On 17 Iun, 20:33, John Atkinson > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 17, 2:35 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW > wrote:
> > > > > > > I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> > > > > > > these days.
>
> > > > > > Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract
> > > > > > the twenty somethings market!
>
> > > > > So I am told :-)
>
> > > > its the latest buzz
>
> > > *Ursus not doing it for you?
>
> > when back in the US, my only source is form California.
> > So when in the US, I drink Yuengling Traditional Lager
> > good, but very different.
>
> *Stella Artois or Stone Porter. Everything else is
> **** cuz I say so.

Stella is OK for a beer that's available everywhere.

Pilsner Urquell on tap is one of my favorites, but it's hard to find.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message


> All Bob wants ios(sic) to be taken seriously.

Seems like.

> He feels that you infringed on that

He is at fault, which I can't admit to himself.

> So he goes nuts, takes his feuds out Usenet,
> acts like an ass, and the end result is that his
> own behavior leads the rest of us to dismiss him.

Just like most normal people dismiss you, Art.

> He has hurt
> himself a hndred times worse than you have.

Several times.

> He is the one who is subverting his own goals.

Just like you are, Art.

Nobody takes you seriously, not even the rest of your so-called friends here
on RAO.



> He night as well pack it up, NOBODY
> holds him in any kind of positive regard right now.

Art, you've shown that personal credibility is meaningless on RAO.

> Nothjing he says is taken seriously,

As if anything you say is really taken seriously.

You're the whack job who is still obsessing over some of the more obscure
consequences of my son's death, 9 years later.

> and NOBODY want s to discuss audio issues with him.

Half right - none of the Middiot clique want to discuss audio at all.

> We couldn't care less about his recordings

You could care less about good sound Art, that's why you bought those tubed
trinkets you've bragged about.

You're all about bragging rights.

> anbd(sic) his recording 'career', such that it is.

It ain't.

[BretLudwig]

>>"
> acknowledge, sort of, but late and grudgingly) and they don't do a
thing
> sonically any of the classic Acro or RCA tube manual/HF-110 designs
built
> with halfway decent parts wouldn't.

We just received a MV-75 at the office, and we popped open the innards
and found a rat's nest. This isn't CJ's fault, just the fault of the
repair guy who worked on it once. Today's CJs are very impressive
from engineering standpoints, and garner the respect of most designers
in the field. They use the best parts available, such as RTI teflon
caps.

My next project is going to be a restoration of an MV-50. You can
find one for around $650 to $1000. Then I'm going to swap out the
caps and wiring with the current standard. It'll cost me $850 to
$1200 for the whole deal, and it will be one sweet-sounding amp. It
won't be a paragon of accuracy, but it will offer a nice, smooth,
pleasing and classic tube sound."<<


Do put up before and after pictures.



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[Vinylanach]

On Jun 18, 5:17�am, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> >>"
> > acknowledge, sort of, but late and grudgingly) and they don't do a
> thing
> > sonically any of the classic Acro or RCA tube manual/HF-110 designs
> built
> > with halfway decent parts wouldn't.
>
> We just received a MV-75 at the office, and we popped open the innards
> and found a rat's nest. �This isn't CJ's fault, just the fault of the
> repair guy who worked on it once. �Today's CJs are very impressive
> from engineering standpoints, and garner the respect of most designers
> in the field. �They use the best parts available, such as RTI teflon
> caps.
>
> My next project is going to be a restoration of an MV-50. �You can
> find one for around $650 to $1000. �Then I'm going to swap out the
> caps and wiring with the current standard. �It'll cost me $850 to
> $1200 for the whole deal, and it will be one sweet-sounding amp. �It
> won't be a paragon of accuracy, but it will offer a nice, smooth,
> pleasing and classic tube sound."<<
>
> �Do put up before and after pictures.

It will probably be in the "Old School" column of our magazine when we
do. We're putting the MV-75 in the August issue, I believe, so I
don't know how redundant it will be to do an MV-50 an issue or two
later. We'll probably just put it on the website instead of the
actual magazine.

This won't be my actual amp for doing reviews, just the one I use to
kick back and have fun with.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 18, 12:41�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 9:45�pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 7:20�pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On 17 Iun, 22:09, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 17, 6:42�pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 17 Iun, 20:33, John Atkinson > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:35 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
> > > > > > > > these days.
>
> > > > > > > Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract
> > > > > > > the twenty somethings market!
>
> > > > > > So I am told :-)
>
> > > > > its the latest buzz
>
> > > > �Ursus not doing it for you?
>
> > > when back in the US, my only source is form California.
> > > So when in the US, I drink Yuengling Traditional Lager
> > > good, but very different.
>
> > �Stella Artois or Stone Porter. Everything else is
> > **** cuz I say so.
>
> Stella is OK for a beer that's available everywhere.
>
> Pilsner Urquell on tap is one of my favorites, but it's hard to find.-

Stella seems to be the trendy beer in LA right now. I had one and
that it was good, but I'd much rather have a Guiness or a Bass Pale
Ale.

Actually, I'd much rather have a Lagavulin.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Iun, 03:41, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:

>
> Stella is OK for a beer that's available everywhere.
>
> Pilsner Urquell on tap is one of my favorites

That's really fine stuff, I see it a good amount on tap in the east.
I still like the bottles too

Even better is what is called Czechvar in th US
In Europe it is called Budvar or ,actually, Budweiser or Budweis
NOOOOOO- not the same junk as it is here.

In Romania, I can get Romanian made Stella, Moretti, Carlsburg, Tuborg
all made in the same Bucharest plant by Inbev. they are different
from each other
and comparable to the originals, except for Moretti, which is
different
from the original Italian taste

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Iun, 06:56, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > All Bob wants ios(sic) *to be taken seriously.
>
> Seems like.
>
> > He feels that you infringed on that
>
> He is at fault, which I can't admit to himself.
>
> > So he goes nuts, takes his feuds out Usenet,
> > acts like an ass, and the end result is that his
> > own behavior leads the rest of us to dismiss him.
>
> Just like most normal people dismiss you, Art.
>
> > He has *hurt
> > himself a hndred times worse than you have.
>
> Several times.
>
> > He is the one who is subverting his own goals.
>
> Just like you are, Art.
> "

You don't know whaqqt my goals are.
Mostly it is just to 'redicule' you.


> Nobody takes you seriously, not even the rest of your so-called friends here
> on RAO.
>
> > He night as well pack it up, NOBODY
> > holds him in any kind of positive regard right now.
>
> Art, you've shown that personal credibility is meaningless on RAO.
>
> > Nothjing he says is taken seriously,
>
> As if anything you say is really taken seriously.
>

Most of the stuff I say is in jest. or is to
mock or 'redicule' you


>
> You could care less about good sound Art, that's why you bought those tubed
> trinkets you've bragged about.
>

The be all and end all of sound, for you
is a Bheringer. ugh!


> You're all about bragging rights.
>


The only thing I can brag about here
is a really fine sounding stereo.


> > anbd(sic) his recording 'career', such that it is.
>
> It ain't.

Like yours.

[Bill[_16_]]

In article <8cc1daa0-6579-419c-9af0-
>, says...
> On Jun 18, 12:41?am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> > wrote:

> > Stella is OK for a beer that's available everywhere.

Yeah it's not bad for a light pilsner, but there are plenty of more
interesting examples of the style.

> > Pilsner Urquell on tap is one of my favorites, but it's hard to find.

In the Czech Republic, fresh PU is amazing. That and Budvar - both beers
lose something in transit to North America.

> Stella seems to be the trendy beer in LA right now. I had one and
> that it was good, but I'd much rather have a Guiness or a Bass Pale
> Ale.

Loads of good local beers in California - I wouldn't bother with imports
when you've got such variety. Of course, your home town is about as good
as it gets for local beer!

> Actually, I'd much rather have a Lagavulin.

Heh, now that I like. It's become rather spendy around here the last
while so I've been getting my peat fix from other sources. But Lagavulin
is sure a classy malt.

--
Bill

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 18, 9:50�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 18 Iun, 03:41, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
>
> > Stella is OK for a beer that's available everywhere.
>
> > Pilsner Urquell on tap is one of my favorites
>
> That's really fine stuff, I see it a good amount on tap in the east.
> I still like the bottles too
>
> Even better is what is called Czechvar in th US
> In Europe it is called Budvar or ,actually, Budweiser or Budweis
> NOOOOOO- not the same junk as it is here.
>
> In Romania, I can get Romanian made Stella, Moretti, Carlsburg, Tuborg
> all made in the same �Bucharest plant by Inbev. they are different
> from each other
> and comparable to the originals, except for Moretti, which is
> different
> from the original Italian taste

That reminds me of how much better Mexican beers are...in Mexico. I
have found things floating around, though.

I've also heard that one of the world's best beers is San Miguel, but
only if you drink it in the Phillipines.

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 18, 12:02Â*pm, Vinylanach > wrote:
> On Jun 18, 9:50�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 18 Iun, 03:41, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > Stella is OK for a beer that's available everywhere.
>
> > > Pilsner Urquell on tap is one of my favorites
>
> > That's really fine stuff, I see it a good amount on tap in the east.
> > I still like the bottles too
>
> > Even better is what is called Czechvar in th US
> > In Europe it is called Budvar or ,actually, Budweiser or Budweis
> > NOOOOOO- not the same junk as it is here.
>
> > In Romania, I can get Romanian made Stella, Moretti, Carlsburg, Tuborg
> > all made in the same �Bucharest plant by Inbev. they are different
> > from each other
> > and comparable to the originals, except for Moretti, which is
> > different
> > from the original Italian taste

The Italians make a nice beer. Peroni is another. They're lighter, so
slugging one down after working up a sweat is nice.

What's different about the Romanian Moretti?

> That reminds me of how much better Mexican beers are...in Mexico. Â*I
> have found things floating around, though.

I have very fond memories of sipping Modelo Especial by the pool. It
was better there.

> I've also heard that one of the world's best beers is San Miguel, but
> only if you drink it in the Phillipines.

Both light and dark are very good fresh.