[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

GOIA tries to come off as a fount of "useful audio knowledge".
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do not care about that any
more. They are more concerned with iPods and MP3 players.

This explains GOIA's desperate attempts to get accepted as a
"recording engineer". This is the only area that will matter in the
future as the buying publics' interest in audio equipment and high-
quality sound continues to dwindle. But GOIA dawdled too long and the
world has passed him by. It's probably too late for him to catch up
with those that were working on this aspect of audio long before GOIA,
like JA. And it must drive GOIA (even more) nuts that he'll never
catch JA.

Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on a stereo to
get good sound, when kids in high school dreamed not only of their
first car but also of their first stereo, perhaps GOIA has some
relevance. But that era has passed. It is GOIA's irrelevance that has
driven him insane and led to his recent meltdowns.

[BretLudwig]

"

Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on a stereo to
get good sound, when kids in high school dreamed not only of their
first car but also of their first stereo, perhaps GOIA has some
relevance. But that era has passed. It is GOIA's irrelevance that has
driven him insane and led to his recent meltdowns."

Horse****.

Average people don't keep high end saloons afloat, nor do they subscribe
to the likes of Stereopile, Vacuum Tube Valley, or AudioXPress. This is in
any of its aspects a highly specialized hobby, like foamers who dream of
getting a GG-1 under its own power down the mainline or amateur musicians
learning to play serpents, sackuts or sarrusaphones for "period"
performances.

--
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More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Idiot yapped:

What a waste of time that was.

How much time did it cost you, Witless?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 2:42*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:39*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:

*What a waste of time that was.

It's kind of like 'disussing' the military with you, 2pid. I provide
citations, sound reasoning, and logic. Yet at the end of the day, I'm
sure thatyou "believe" that you're still correct.

This took you the time to read three paragraphs. In your case you only
wasted two hours.

LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message


My master and commander tries to come off as a fount of "useful audio
knowledge".

As compared with you ****R, who seems to have no useful knowlege at all.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do
not care about that any more. They are more concerned
with iPods and MP3 players.

I can, and have worked with that.

This explains My master and commander 's desperate attempts to get
accepted
as a "recording engineer".

Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in that capacity.

This is the only area that
will matter in the future as the buying publics' interest
in audio equipment and high- quality sound continues to
dwindle.

That speaks to your misunderstaning of reality, ****R. People are still
plenty interested in high quality sound. They just don't have the time or
space to sit in a dedicated listening room in their homes and just listen to
music. Hence mobile audio.

But I dawdled too long and the world has
passed me by.

A surprising autobiographical comment, coming from you ****R. I guess all
those people were wrong when they told me that you had no insight into
yourself.

It's probably too late for him to catch up
with those that were working on this aspect of audio long
before My master and commander , like JA.

That is simply not true. JA was wandering in the wilderness back in the
days when I had MP3 all sussed out.

And it must drive GOIA (even more) nuts that he'll never catch JA.

I could really care less about whatever JA does, except perhaps to critique
it if it is really bad.

Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on
a stereo to get good sound,

Never happened. Hence "mid-fi".

when kids in high school
dreamed not only of their first car but also of their
first stereo,

Today, they dream about having both in the same place.


It is my (****R) irrelevance as demonstrated by this lame post, that has
driven
me insane and led to his recent meltdowns.

Sorry to hear about that, ****R. Maybe Dr. Gindi has something for you, too.

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
: This explains My master and commander 's desperate
attempts to get
: accepted
: as a "recording engineer".
:
: Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in
that capacity.
:
Where may the public be exposed to any example of this "near
over-employed" effort? To be that sort after you must be
good ;-)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

TT said:

Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in
that capacity.

Where may the public be exposed to any example of this "near
over-employed" effort? To be that sort after you must be
good ;-)

Ask Turdborg to confess his hourly rate, and you'll see why he's "in demand".

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 3:31*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:54*pm, George M. Middius
wrote:

The Idiot yapped:

*What a waste of time that was.

How much time did it cost you, Witless?

Lots less than it cost sshhtard, thank god.

I can knock something like this out in a couple of minutes.

You see, I'm a good writer. And what I said is accurate. ;-)

LoL

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 3:33*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 16, 1:07*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Jun 16, 2:42*pm, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:39*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:

*What a waste of time that was.

It's kind of like 'disussing' the military

* disussing sounds like an appropriate description of what you do.

Good one, 2pid.

I can't wait until you bring the military up...again. I have so much
fun when you do. ;-)

Lol

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 2:48*pm, "BretLudwig" wrote:
"

Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on a stereo to
get good sound, when kids in high school dreamed not only of their
first car but also of their first stereo, perhaps GOIA has some
relevance. But that era has passed. It is GOIA's irrelevance that has
driven him insane and led to his recent meltdowns."

*Horse****.

Prove it. ;-)

*Average people don't keep high end saloons afloat, nor do they subscribe
to the likes of Stereopile, Vacuum Tube Valley, or AudioXPress. This is in
any of its aspects a highly specialized hobby, like foamers who dream of
getting a GG-1 under its own power down the mainline or amateur musicians
learning to play serpents, sackuts or sarrusaphones for "period"
performances.

I was, of course, referring to the mid-fi that GOIA was
"knowledgeable" about.

GOIA never understood high-end. ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 3:34*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

My master and commander

Here's an idea to save time, GOIA: we'll assume that you go back and
change the quoted text to read this. We can then assume that I'll
change it to "peckerhead".

That will be much more efficient.

tries to come off as a fount of "useful audio
knowledge".

As compared with you ****R, who seems to have no useful knowlege at all.

What do you want to discuss, GOIA? This is the second time I've asked
you.

*Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do
not care about that any more. They are more concerned
with iPods and MP3 players.

I can, and have worked with that.

Goody.

This explains My master and commander 's

See above.

desperate attempts to get
accepted
as a "recording engineer".

Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed in that capacity.

With high school festivals. I was talking serious recording.

This is the only area that
will matter in the future as the buying publics' interest
in audio equipment and high- quality sound continues to
dwindle.

That speaks to your misunderstaning of reality, ****R. People are still
plenty interested in high quality sound. They just don't have the time or
space to sit in a dedicated listening room in their homes and just listen to
music. Hence mobile audio.

"High-quality" and "ear buds"? LOL!

Let's compromise: "acceptable" sound.

*But I *dawdled too long and the world has
passed me by.

A surprising autobiographical comment, coming from you ****R. I guess all
those people were wrong when they told me that you had no insight into
yourself.

The "1,000s of lurkers"? LOL!

So how's Francis?

It's probably too late for him to catch up
with those that were working on this aspect of audio long
before My master and commander , like JA.

That is simply not true. *JA was wandering in the wilderness back in the
days when I had MP3 all sussed out.

What does that have to do with my comment, even assuming that your
"cliam" is true?

Nada.

And it must drive GOIA (even more) nuts that he'll never catch JA.

I could really care less about whatever JA does, except I dream of JA
doing me. It makes it hard to sleep sometimes.

Do you really want to continue down this childish road, GOIA?

Back in the day, when average people would spend a ton on
a stereo to get good sound,

Never happened. Hence "mid-fi".

Happened. A far greater pecentage of people back then were after
higher-quality sound. Stereos were status symbols. They are no longer.

when kids in high school
dreamed not only of their first car but also of their
first stereo,

Today, they dream about having both in the same place.

The rolling boomboxes playing rap with distorted bass at 135 decibels?

It is my (****R)

Nice catch, GOIA. You almost poked yourself with your own reedit. LOL!

irrelevance as demonstrated by this lame post, *that has
driven
me insane and led to his recent meltdowns.

I still want you. You are very smart and very handsome.
Might I suggest a foursome with me, my wife, you and my daughter?

No thanks, GOIA. That sounds pretty dreadful and who knows what
diseases I'd catch.

[TT]

"George M. Middius" wrote in
message ...
:
:
: TT said:
:
: Accepted? I'm already approaching being over-employed
in
: that capacity.
:
: Where may the public be exposed to any example of this
"near
: over-employed" effort? To be that sort after you must
be
: good ;-)
:
: Ask Turdborg to confess his hourly rate, and you'll see
why he's "in demand".
:
He's cheap! Errr... free as well ;-)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Angry White Moron yapped:

You really don't have a clue what content means.

I know you're not content. Admittedly, how many of us would be with your
handicaps? Still, you've had more than 50 years to get used to being the
slowest person in the group. You should have gotten past your anger by now.

BTW, what did your therapist say about your resentment of your mommy and her
addictions?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 9:29*pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote in messagenews:fi5e54lovrt3i9talm0t66pkm65b1n6nao@4ax .com...



The Angry White Moron yapped:

You really don't have a clue what content means.

I know you're not content.

George demonstrates that reading and writing are really
different skills.

Fascinating take, 2pid.

Anyway, is a 155mm SP a "tank" IYO? Is it "Armor"?

C'mon, 2pid. There are 1,000s of lurkers worldwide wondering.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

In an interesting psychological experiment, it appears that being
really stupid is better than being totally insane:

On Jun 17, 12:42*am, "ScottW" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in
On Jun 16, 9:29 pm, "ScottW" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in

The Angry White Moron yapped:

You really don't have a clue what content means.

I know you're not content.

George demonstrates that reading and writing are really
different skills.

Fascinating take, 2pid.

:Anyway, is a 155mm SP a "tank" IYO?

No.

Very good.

: Is it "Armor"?

They can have armor but that isn't what they're usually called.

It isn't what they're *ever* called.

You'd think an ex-artillery guy like you would know its
a howitzer.

Really? GOIA will be so disappointed.

Lol

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:

�What a waste of time that was.

I think he has a point. I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
downloading, etc. Arny's not the only one out there acting like
this. We've been getting threatening emails at the magazine from a
guy named Gerald Porzio who saying horrible things about the
publisher, his family, his children, etc. This is a guy in his 60s
who was a stereo repairman or something similar back in the day. If
you read these emails, you'd think he was a teenager. There was
actually a time when this guy was offering somewhat coherent views on
objective audio, and then he just cracked.

Fortunately, Arny has moved on to the world of computers and is still
probably able to make a decent living.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:

�What a waste of time that was.

I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
downloading, etc. Â*

Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
or so you've implied.
I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
these days.

Arny's not the only one out there acting like
this. Â*We've been getting threatening emails at the magazine from a
guy named Gerald Porzio who saying horrible things about the
publisher, his family, his children, etc. Â*This is a guy in his 60s
who was a stereo repairman or something similar back in the day. If
you read these emails, you'd think he was a teenager. Â*There was
actually a time when this guy was offering somewhat coherent views on
objective audio, and then he just cracked.

Fortunately, Arny has moved on to the world of computers and is still
probably able to make a decent living.

So we should devote another newsgroup to Gerald Porzio?
Shhh may have a point Â*re Arny but I'll never understand why anyone
would
care.

Maybe you'll care about the quality of your newsgroup mates when
someone like Bob writes an email to your boss because you hurt his
feelings.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:

�What a waste of time that was.

I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
downloading, etc. Â*

Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
or so you've implied.

That's one of the reasons we're shifting the focus toward music.
Audio is full of so much bitterness these days. No matter what you
print about audio, someone is going to attack you for your views.

When you write about music, people thank you. They don't whine and
complain. What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?

Boon

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Vinylanach said:

When you write about music, people thank you. They don't whine and
complain. What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?

If you take the whining and complaining and throw in a plentiful supply of
turds, you've got Krooger's Kompyootur Repair Shop.

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 17, 9:49*am, Vinylanach wrote:



* Odd perspective. *Their "precious" hobby is your career
or so you've implied.
I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
these days.


Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract the
twenty
somethings market!

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 11:30Â*am, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 17, 10:51Â*am, Vinylanach wrote:





On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:

�What a waste of time that was.

I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
downloading, etc. Â*

Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
or so you've implied.

That's one of the reasons we're shifting the focus toward music.
Audio is full of so much bitterness these days. Â*No matter what you
print about audio, someone is going to attack you for your views.

I think if you're going to be in the public eye, no matter what you
print,
some nutball somewhere will take offense.
Wait till you try to explain why you think some band has become
formulaic
or something and the rabid fans come after you.



When you write about music, people thank you. Â*They don't whine and
complain. Â*What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?

Obviously the latter. Â* But a benign public environment in media or
really
any business doesn't exist IMO. Â*Audio squabbling isn't unique.
Your lucky the crazies you
face don't have the resources to hire whole law firms to think of
ways to f'up your business. Â*Big corporations do that everyday.
At our stockholders mtg the CEO joked that we're hiring 5000
people in the next year and only 1500 of 'em wil be attorneys.
Trouble is, the truth isn't too far from that.

Those are some good points. But the fact is, it's common practice
these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
crazies. For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. It's
better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. Plus,
it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
"letters" section in magazines.

I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
was my mistake. Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for business.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 12:51Â*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 17, 12:25Â*pm, Vinylanach wrote:





On Jun 17, 11:30Â*am, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 17, 10:51Â*am, Vinylanach wrote:

On Jun 17, 10:11Â*am, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 17, 9:49Â*am, Vinylanach wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:42�pm, ScottW wrote:

On Jun 16, 12:39�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:

�What a waste of time that was.

I think he has a point. Â*I'm noticing that a lot of these audio old-
timers and angry and ****ed off these days, lamenting how their
precious hobby has been ruined by the high-end, or by music
downloading, etc. Â*

Â* Odd perspective. Â*Their "precious" hobby is your career
or so you've implied.

That's one of the reasons we're shifting the focus toward music.
Audio is full of so much bitterness these days. Â*No matter what you
print about audio, someone is going to attack you for your views.

I think if you're going to be in the public eye, no matter what you
print,
some nutball somewhere will take offense.
Wait till you try to explain why you think some band has become
formulaic
or something and the rabid fans come after you.

When you write about music, people thank you. Â*They don't whine and
complain. Â*What kind of environment would you rather work in, Scott?

Obviously the latter. Â* But a benign public environment in media or
really
any business doesn't exist IMO. Â*Audio squabbling isn't unique.
Your lucky the crazies you
face don't have the resources to hire whole law firms to think of
ways to f'up your business. Â*Big corporations do that everyday.
At our stockholders mtg the CEO joked that we're hiring 5000
people in the next year and only 1500 of 'em wil be attorneys.
Trouble is, the truth isn't too far from that.

Those are some good points. Â*But the fact is, it's common practice
these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
crazies. Â*For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. Â*It's
better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. Â*Plus,
it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
"letters" section in magazines.

I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
was my mistake. Â*

Â*and it's really sad that you have to do stuff like that.
I don't think Bob understands the consequences of his actions.

Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
like newsgroups and dicussion forums. Â*They're bad for business.

Certainly not good for it. Â*We're all just posters here.

I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
but still kind of interesting. Â*The media wars between the old
newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
AP stories. Â* There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
banking their future on the internet. Â*It's a strange world.

Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
Who is Steve Sailer? Why should we care?

Boon

[BretLudwig]

Boon:

"Those are some good points. But the fact is, it's common practice
these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
crazies. For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. It's
better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. Plus,
it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
"letters" section in magazines.

I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
was my mistake. Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for business."


Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.

Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're (attempting
to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you ALWAYS
edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial, DIY,
or vintage stuff. And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd
estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your evaluations.

Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.

I've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I first noticed
it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My dad
idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said about
airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
took out many full page ads in the magazine.

Funny how that worked.

You can not put out a commercial publication without kissing ass or a no
advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
right now.

As to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to his web
site.

--
Message posted using http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/
More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 1:26�pm, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 17, 1:15�pm, Vinylanach wrote:



I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
but still kind of interesting. �The media wars between the old
newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
AP stories. � There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
banking their future on the internet. �It's a strange world.

Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
Who is Steve Sailer? �Why should we care?

I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. �But there's been lots
of
stuff on RAO I find annoying. �Weil vs Howard post #442 was
particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
Jenn analyzes Arny �for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.
�I've been told I'm annoying by some people
though I simply can't believe they mean it. �Seriously, how could
that be? �
While I do think the Arny resistance is more annoying than Arny
and I'll always say so, there isn't much anyone can do about any
of it besides ignore it or bitch about it or participate in it.
Nothing good comes of going real world.

So who's playing in your concert or whatever you're promoting?

I'd tell you the singer-songwriter's name, but Bob'll write him a
letter, too. It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
so.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 2:04�pm, "BretLudwig" wrote:
Boon:

"Those are some good points. �But the fact is, it's common practice

these days to complete isolate your business from the Internet
crazies. �For instance, we don't do a letters section in the magazine
because it's often just an outlet for people's negativity. �It's
better to promote a more positive image in the industry, IMO. �Plus,
it's been years since I've truly been interested in reading the
"letters" section in magazines.

I should have isolated myself a little better from Bob, though. That
was my mistake. �Like I've said, most companies stay away from places
like newsgroups and dicussion forums. �They're bad for business."

�Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.

�Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're (attempting
to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you ALWAYS
edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial, DIY,
or vintage stuff.

Wrong. We have monthly columns devoted to that stuff. We've recently
reviewed equipment from Luxman, Rotel, Sony and even Apple.

And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd
estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your evaluations.

Based upon what facts? Have you even read the magazine, or are you
just guessing?


�Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.

Whatever that means. Sounds like you're pulling the class card.


�I've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I first noticed
it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My dad
idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said about
airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
took out many full page ads in the magazine.

�Funny how that worked.

And yet we give great reviews to manufacturers who advertise (and who
have told us they never will), and we've given so-so reviews to people
who do. If you work it out statistically, there's no correlation
betwen our advertisers and our reviews. The only place we're accused
of doing that, BTW, is on Internet discussion groups.


�You can not put out a commercial publication without kissing ass or a no
advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
right now.

There's some truth to that on a theoretical level. But realistically,
the manufacturers are tired of that argument as well. I've had two
manufacturers actually tell me to avoid writing a rave review and to
be candid with criticisms. We've had several manufacturers buy ads
because they found our honesty to be refreshing, and that we didn't
act as if we were in the pockets of the advertisers. In fact, we're
one of the few audio publications where a large percentage of our ads
are not related directly to audio. We have ads from computer
companies, jewelers, camera companies and even Porsche.

Besides, that whole argument has a big flaw in it. If we posted great
reviews of an advertiser's product, and it isn't great...our
reputation goes down the toilet. Neither the manufacturer nor the
magazine truly benefits from that. We've actually turned down ads
from companies because we didn't like their products, and we would
have felt like whores if we had gone ahead and cashed a check.


�As to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to his web
site.

I have. I still don't know his qualifications, or why you worship
him.

Boon

[UnsteadyKen]

Vinylanach said:

It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
so.

Can you post a link for tht? I've only just found your Vinyl
Anacrophile pages after following the link in 1st post in this
thread.
I've also realised I've been reading your name wrong all this time, I
thought you were Vinylarach, plastic spider? Double doh!
I'm off to choose a sensible font:-)
--
Ken
Contribute to: www.audiophilewiki.org

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 3:23�pm, UnsteadyKen wrote:
Vinylanach �said:

�It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
so.

Can you post a link for tht? I've only just found your Vinyl
Anacrophile pages after following the link in 1st post in this
thread.
I've also realised I've been reading your name wrong all this time, I
thought you were Vinylarach, �plastic spider? Double doh!
I'm off to choose a sensible font:-)
--
Ken
Contribute to:www.audiophilewiki.org

Please e-mail me at . I don't want to give any
information to you-know-who.

Boon

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Jun 17, 1:15*pm, Vinylanach wrote:

I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
but still kind of interesting. *The media wars between the old
newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
AP stories. * There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
banking their future on the internet. *It's a strange world.

Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
Who is Steve Sailer? *Why should we care?

I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. But there's been lots
of
stuff on RAO I find annoying. Weil vs Howard post #442 was
particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
Jenn analyzes Arny for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.

Again, you're a victim of the "glass houses" syndrome.

[BretLudwig]

Boon:

" like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for
business."=


Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.

Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're
(attem=
pting
to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you
ALWAYS
edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial,
DIY,
or vintage stuff.

Wrong. We have monthly columns devoted to that stuff. We've recently
reviewed equipment from Luxman, Rotel, Sony and even Apple.

And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd
estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your
evaluations.

Based upon what facts? Have you even read the magazine, or are you
just guessing?


Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.

Whatever that means. Sounds like you're pulling the class card.


=EF=BF=BDI've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I
first=
noticed
it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My
da=
d
idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said
about=

airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
took out many full page ads in the magazine.

Funny how that worked.

And yet we give great reviews to manufacturers who advertise (and who
have told us they never will), and we've given so-so reviews to people
who do. If you work it out statistically, there's no correlation
betwen our advertisers and our reviews. The only place we're accused
of doing that, BTW, is on Internet discussion groups.


=EF=BF=BDYou can not put out a commercial publication without kissing
ass =
or a no
advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
right now.

There's some truth to that on a theoretical level. But realistically,
the manufacturers are tired of that argument as well. I've had two
manufacturers actually tell me to avoid writing a rave review and to
be candid with criticisms. We've had several manufacturers buy ads
because they found our honesty to be refreshing, and that we didn't
act as if we were in the pockets of the advertisers. In fact, we're
one of the few audio publications where a large percentage of our ads
are not related directly to audio. We have ads from computer
companies, jewelers, camera companies and even Porsche.

Besides, that whole argument has a big flaw in it. If we posted great
reviews of an advertiser's product, and it isn't great...our
reputation goes down the toilet. Neither the manufacturer nor the
magazine truly benefits from that. We've actually turned down ads
from companies because we didn't like their products, and we would
have felt like whores if we had gone ahead and cashed a check.


] to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to
hi=
s web
site.

I have. I still don't know his qualifications, or why you worship
him."

I'm going by your comments here because I don't even know how to find
your magazine.

What you say may be so, I am not disputing it, but I can say I've heard a
general pro-current-expensive-saloonware current in your comments.
Particularly pro-ARC and Conrad Johnson, two brands that have cheapened
their lines in terms of construction quality and have had problems. I've
heard their stuff: I've heard lots of homebrews that sounded as good as
good or better. I think you were also pro-Linn Sondek rabidly, a piece
that is nothing more than the old AR turntable with better metal
finishing.

--
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More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[BretLudwig]

I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.

He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
biocentric causes of differential human behavior.

--
Message posted using http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/
More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[BretLudwig]

I don't recall having said, "Upon careful reading of this magazine, I
find...." I was going by your Usenet comments and never said otherwise,
although I will concede that arguably I should have said so.

What did Sailer's movie review factually misstate? You should probably
let him know, see what he says.


Give us a link to this publication's web site again, will you? I'll give
it the courtesy of a readthrough.

--
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More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[BretLudwig]

FWIW I have owned and/or repaired several Conrad Johnson pieces. They
aren't terrible but some have issues needing rework (which the factory did
acknowledge, sort of, but late and grudgingly) and they don't do a thing
sonically any of the classic Acro or RCA tube manual/HF-110 designs built
with halfway decent parts wouldn't.

--
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More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 4:42�pm, "BretLudwig" wrote:
Boon:

" �like newsgroups and dicussion forums. They're bad for

business."=


Most businesses, qua businesses, figured that out by 1997.

Your problem is that you are neither fish nor fowl. You're
(attem=
pting

to) running this virtual magazine as a business, which is why you
ALWAYS
edify late model commercial high end gear and pooh-pooh commercial,
DIY,
or vintage stuff.

Wrong. �We have monthly columns devoted to that stuff. �We've recently
reviewed equipment from Luxman, Rotel, Sony and even Apple.

�And you have a extremely high correlation factor-I'd estimate.85 or .90- between goodness and high price in your

evaluations.

Based upon what facts? �Have you even read the magazine, or are you
just guessing?



Yet you want to play hipster too in with the little people.

Whatever that means. �Sounds like you're pulling the class card.



=EF=BF=BDI've seen this in NY and LA publishing types all my life. I

first=
�noticed it with Richard Collins, who was the editor of an airplane magazine. My

da=
d idolized him and J. Mac MacLellan, the other guy, and what they said

about=

airplanes was gospel. By reading the magazine I quickly discovered they
were merely shills for the light aircraft manufacturers in Wichita, who
took out many full page ads in the magazine.

Funny how that worked.

And yet we give great reviews to manufacturers who advertise (and who
have told us they never will), and we've given so-so reviews to people
who do. �If you work it out statistically, there's no correlation
betwen our advertisers and our reviews. �The only place we're accused
of doing that, BTW, is on Internet discussion groups.



=EF=BF=BDYou can not put out a commercial publication without kissing

ass =
or a no

advertising expensive newsletter without kicking ass. And those are the
only two models that work, unless you're independently wealthy like Ed
Dell or the guys who put out some of the more esoteric magazines for
basement machinists or steam engine buffs. And Ed isn't doing so well
right now.

There's some truth to that on a theoretical level. �But realistically,
the manufacturers are tired of that argument as well. �I've had two
manufacturers actually tell me to avoid writing a rave review and to
be candid with criticisms. �We've had several manufacturers buy ads
because they found our honesty to be refreshing, and that we didn't
act as if we were in the pockets of the advertisers. In fact, we're
one of the few audio publications where a large percentage of our ads
are not related directly to audio. �We have ads from computer
companies, jewelers, camera companies and even Porsche.

Besides, that whole argument has a big flaw in it. �If we posted great
reviews of an advertiser's product, and it isn't great...our
reputation goes down the toilet. �Neither the manufacturer nor the
magazine truly benefits from that. �We've actually turned down ads
from companies because we didn't like their products, and we would
have felt like whores if we had gone ahead and cashed a check.



] to who Steve Sailer is, it's easy enough to find out. Go to
hi=
s web

site.

I have. �I still don't know his qualifications, or why you worship
him."

�I'm going by your comments here because I don't even know how to find
your magazine.

In other words, you thought you'd make general comments about my
magazine, and you don't even know what my magazine is. Got it.

�What you say may be so, I am not disputing it, but I can say I've heard a
general pro-current-expensive-saloonware current in your comments.
Particularly pro-ARC and Conrad Johnson, two brands that have �cheapened
their lines in terms of construction quality and have had problems. I've
heard their stuff: I've heard lots of homebrews that sounded as good as
good or better. I think you were also pro-Linn Sondek rabidly, a piece
that is nothing more than the old AR turntable with better metal
finishing.

I'm not pro-ARC. I do like CJ. I've had hundreds of hours of
experience with it. I'm not pro-Linn, either.

It helps to be armed with the truth before you try to engage someone
in a discussion.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 4:45�pm, "BretLudwig" wrote:
�I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.

�He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
biocentric causes of differential human behavior.

He's a ****ty movie reviewer. The last one you quoted was chock full
of misinformation. If he can screw up a mere movie review, how can we
take him seriously on the important issues?

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 17, 2:51*pm, ScottW wrote:

There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.

There was somebody here recently who linked the views of the Daily Kos
(IIRC) with the views of someone who replied to a blog on that site.
The funny thing was that the blogger had already been shot down at the
Daily Kos and the Huffington Post.

It's a good thing that someone like you would be 'smart' enough to see
through that. ;-)

Lol

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jun 17, 2:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 17 Iun, 13:11, ScottW wrote:
I wonder what the average age of a s'phile subscriber is
these days.

Of course, if SP adopted DBT's, it would undoubtedly attract
the twenty somethings market!

So I am told :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 5:42�pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
"Vinylanach" wrote in message

...
On Jun 17, 4:45?pm, "BretLudwig" wrote:

?I post a lot of Steve Sailer because 1) it annoys a certain type of
unthinking trendy leftish individual to no end and 2) Sailer has made a
really important contribution to social science; he has defined something
concisely and correctly that evaded definition for a century or more.

?He's also a decent writer on a variety of subjects, most related to the
biocentric causes of differential human behavior.

He's a ****ty movie reviewer. �The last one you quoted was chock full
of misinformation. �If he can screw up a mere movie review, how can we
take him seriously on the important issues?

Boon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------�-------------
Exactly my complaint about you. An ass, a seat, and attitude.

Is this your idea of following me around, making my life miserable?
Hmmm. People will start to killfile you, just like Bwian. You've
just made your own nightmare come true, Bob. Bravo.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 17, 5:08�pm, "BretLudwig" wrote:
�FWIW I have owned and/or repaired several Conrad Johnson pieces. They
aren't terrible but some have issues needing rework (which the factory did
acknowledge, sort of, but late and grudgingly) and they don't do a thing
sonically any of the classic Acro or RCA tube manual/HF-110 designs built
with halfway decent parts wouldn't.

We just received a MV-75 at the office, and we popped open the innards
and found a rat's nest. This isn't CJ's fault, just the fault of the
repair guy who worked on it once. Today's CJs are very impressive
from engineering standpoints, and garner the respect of most designers
in the field. They use the best parts available, such as RTI teflon
caps.

My next project is going to be a restoration of an MV-50. You can
find one for around $650 to $1000. Then I'm going to swap out the
caps and wiring with the current standard. It'll cost me $850 to
$1200 for the whole deal, and it will be one sweet-sounding amp. It
won't be a paragon of accuracy, but it will offer a nice, smooth,
pleasing and classic tube sound.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 16:26, ScottW wrote:
On Jun 17, 1:15*pm, Vinylanach wrote:



I think there might be one exception not at all applicable to you
but still kind of interesting. *The media wars between the old
newspapers and the internet outlets is fascinating.
AP recently changed their policy on bloggers linking or quoting
AP stories. * There has been some overt efforts to denigrate
all internet outlets credibility based on the crazy sites.
The newspapers are attacking the internet outlets while
banking their future on the internet. *It's a strange world.

Which is why the stuff that Bret Ludwig posts here is so annoying.
Who is Steve Sailer? *Why should we care?

I have no idea and I hardly give it a glance. *But there's been lots
of
stuff on RAO I find annoying. *Weil vs Howard post #442 was
particularly annoying only because I read the first 441 posts,
Jenn analyzes Arny *for the 4th time this year and gets frustrated
again is pretty dry and as devoid of life as Needles Ca in July.
*I've been told I'm annoying by some people
though I simply can't believe they mean it. *Seriously, how could
that be? *

You and Shhh arguing military issues is a big yawn.
On BOTH sides.
But have at, and have fun doing it, I don't
have to read it if I don't want to.



While I do think the Arny resistance is more annoying than Arny
and I'll always say so, there isn't much anyone can do about any
of it besides ignore it or bitch about it or participate in it.
Nothing good comes of going real world.

So who's playing in your concert or whatever you're promoting?

ScottW

[Clyde Slick]

On 17 Iun, 19:00, Vinylanach wrote:
On Jun 17, 3:23�pm, UnsteadyKen wrote:

Vinylanach �said:

�It'll be announced in my magazine in the next week or
so.

Can you post a link for tht? I've only just found your Vinyl
Anacrophile pages after following the link in 1st post in this
thread.
I've also realised I've been reading your name wrong all this time, I
thought you were Vinylarach, �plastic spider? Double doh!
I'm off to choose a sensible font:-)
--
Ken
Contribute to:www.audiophilewiki.org

Please e-mail me at . Â*I don't want to give any
information to you-know-who.

Boon


Just give us the wrong name, he can
letter bomb soem dude who has nothing to do with this.