OK, let's start discussing audio

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?

Vinyl? No.
Turntables? No.
Cartridges or stylii? No.
Wire and cables? No.
Amplifiers? No.
Preamplifiers? No.
Tubes? No.
CD/DVD players? No.
Ready-made room treatments? No.
SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.
Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.
Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.

All of these are "ripoffs" sanctioned and promoted by the EHEE (Evil
High-End Establishment, pronounced "Eeee-Heee"). These all represent
'solved' issues. There's no sense even discussing them! Discussing
them here simply wrecks this forum!

This leaves speakers and home-made room treatments. I move that this
forum be renamed "rec.audio.opinions-on-speakers.and.cheap-home-
made.audio.solutions" forthwith. Do I have a second?

[Jenn]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?
>
> Vinyl? No.
> Turntables? No.
> Cartridges or stylii? No.
> Wire and cables? No.
> Amplifiers? No.
> Preamplifiers? No.
> Tubes? No.
> CD/DVD players? No.
> Ready-made room treatments? No.
> SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.
> Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.
> Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.
>
> All of these are "ripoffs" sanctioned and promoted by the EHEE (Evil
> High-End Establishment, pronounced "Eeee-Heee"). These all represent
> 'solved' issues. There's no sense even discussing them! Discussing
> them here simply wrecks this forum!
>
> This leaves speakers and home-made room treatments. I move that this
> forum be renamed "rec.audio.opinions-on-speakers.and.cheap-home-
> made.audio.solutions" forthwith. Do I have a second?

"At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet subscriptions will keep
some little girls safe tonight.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article
> >,
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote:
>
>> The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?
>>
>> Vinyl? No.
>> Turntables? No.
>> Cartridges or stylii? No.
>> Wire and cables? No.
>> Amplifiers? No.
>> Preamplifiers? No.
>> Tubes? No.
>> CD/DVD players? No.
>> Ready-made room treatments? No.
>> SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.
>> Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.
>> Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.

>> All of these are "ripoffs" sanctioned and promoted by
>> the EHEE (Evil High-End Establishment, pronounced
>> "Eeee-Heee"). These all represent 'solved' issues.
>> There's no sense even discussing them! Discussing them
>> here simply wrecks this forum!
>>
>> This leaves speakers and home-made room treatments. I
>> move that this forum be renamed
>> "rec.audio.opinions-on-speakers.and.cheap-home-
>> made.audio.solutions" forthwith. Do I have a second?

> "At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet
> subscriptions will keep some little girls safe tonight.

Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.

I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?
> >>
> >> Vinyl? No.
> >> Turntables? No.
> >> Cartridges or stylii? No.
> >> Wire and cables? No.
> >> Amplifiers? No.
> >> Preamplifiers? No.
> >> Tubes? No.
> >> CD/DVD players? No.
> >> Ready-made room treatments? No.
> >> SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.
> >> Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.
> >> Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.
>
> >> All of these are "ripoffs" sanctioned and promoted by
> >> the EHEE (Evil High-End Establishment, pronounced
> >> "Eeee-Heee"). These all represent 'solved' issues.
> >> There's no sense even discussing them! Discussing them
> >> here simply wrecks this forum!
> >>
> >> This leaves speakers and home-made room treatments. I
> >> move that this forum be renamed
> >> "rec.audio.opinions-on-speakers.and.cheap-home-
> >> made.audio.solutions" forthwith. Do I have a second?
>
> > "At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet
> > subscriptions will keep some little girls safe tonight.
>
> Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.
>
> I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.

"Pity party"

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 10:46*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > wrote:
>
> >> The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?
>
> >> Vinyl? No.
> >> Turntables? No.
> >> Cartridges or stylii? No.
> >> Wire and cables? No.
> >> Amplifiers? No.
> >> Preamplifiers? No.
> >> Tubes? No.
> >> CD/DVD players? No.
> >> Ready-made room treatments? No.
> >> SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.
> >> Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.
> >> Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.
> >> All of these are "ripoffs" sanctioned and promoted by
> >> the EHEE (Evil High-End Establishment, pronounced
> >> "Eeee-Heee"). These all represent 'solved' issues.
> >> There's no sense even discussing them! Discussing them
> >> here simply wrecks this forum!
>
> >> This leaves speakers and home-made room treatments. I
> >> move that this forum be renamed
> >> "rec.audio.opinions-on-speakers.and.cheap-home-
> >> made.audio.solutions" forthwith. Do I have a second?
> > "At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet
> > subscriptions will keep some little girls safe tonight.
>
> Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.

What lies, GOIA? In the past week I've asked you:

What kind of music do you enjoy listening to?
What type of speakers do you like best (e.g. box, dipole, etc.)?
What vinyl you kept after claiming you'd sold it all?
What cartridges do you think sound best?
What are good turntables IYO?

The silence was deafening. I think you were probably too busy thinking
about little girls.

[Arny Krueger]

"MiNe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>> > wrote:
>
>>> "At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet
>>> subscriptions will keep some little girls safe tonight.
>>
>> Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.
>>
>> I want to go on record as being against the throwing of
>> such snot.
>
> Your own, Jenn's, or both?

I will follow Jenn's example and simply deny my fault related to anything.
;-)

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >> message
> >> .
> >> net
> >>> In article
> >>> >,
> >>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> >>> > wrote:
> >
> >>> "At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet
> >>> subscriptions will keep some little girls safe tonight.
> >>
> >> Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.
> >>
> >> I want to go on record as being against the throwing of
> >> such snot.
> >
> > Your own, Jenn's, or both?
>
> I will follow Jenn's example and simply deny my fault related to anything.
> ;-)

Yet another in a long line of false accusations.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg scolds itself.

> Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.
> I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.

See, Jenn? Arnii is against his own snottiness after all.

[George M. Middius]

Soundhaspriority said:

> My sympathies are with you, and Art, and George, and Jenn. But the guys
> you're trying to get are like steam engines. They don't have any spark; they
> will just ride their rails till the ends of their lives.

Why do you assume the game has an ending? It's just fun to play.

[Arny Krueger]

"Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message


> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in message

> ...
>> The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?

>> Vinyl? No.

I think that realistic factual discussions about vinyl are good fun.

>> Turntables? No.

Why not?

>> Cartridges or stylii? No.

What's wrong with that?

>> Wire and cables? No.

Again, does anybody have anything interesting to say about them?

>> Amplifiers? No.

Been there, done that and just lately.

>> Preamplifiers? No.

???????????

>> Tubes? No.

I'm still having fun over in RAT.

>> CD/DVD players? No.

Huh?

>> Ready-made room treatments? No.

What's wrong with Real Traps?

>> SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.

They were fun while they lasted.

>> Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.

How does one get a decent one for less than that?

>> Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.

Note that I recently cited an amplifier review that was DBT-less.

> I say, if it's audio, I want to hear it. ****y fits that
> result are completely acceptable, at least in comparison
> to the political/racists/adhominem rants that have made
> this a parody of a newsgroup.

OK, the OT was lame, but it was the lack of intelligence shown in the
actual discussions that were the nails in RAO's coffin.


> Let's face it: discussions about audio just don't have
> the drama and color of sticking it to a maniac.

Speak for yourself. I'd rather have no maniacs.

> By comparison, audio is a dainty pleasure.

Done right, audio is anything but dainty. Too bad we have people around
here who don't want to get their hands dirty, or even do much work.

> My sympathies are with you, and Art, and George, and
> Jenn.

???????????

> But the guys you're trying to get are like steam
> engines. They don't have any spark; they will just ride
> their rails till the ends of their lives. You can't get
> any juice out of them. Taunting them is like daring the
> old 4x6x4 to leave the tracks. It ain't gonna happen. And
> it's boring. I think everyone else has tuned out.

The reason for the mass exodus was the sort of bilge that Art, the Middiot
and ****R still grind out. There might be hope for Jenn, if you can get her
mad enough so that she actually starts to think.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> The reason for the mass exodus was the sort of bilge that Art, the Middiot
> and ****R still grind out. There might be hope for Jenn, if you can get her
> mad enough so that she actually starts to think.

lol

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

GOIA questions his own existence:

On Feb 7, 11:57*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> Speak for yourself. I'd rather have no maniacs.

No wonder you're such an asshole. You can't get away from yourself.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 11:57*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > wrote in message

> >> Tubes? No.
>
> I'm still having fun over in RAT.

Do the regulars on RAT there have "fun" when you're around, GOIA? Do
you add to the discussions there or do you detract from them like you
do here? Or do people just generally ignore you?

What is your definition of "fun"?

(BTW, since I crossposted to RAT, does anybody have any pro/con
opinions or experience for homebrews using PP or PPP EL38, 6384, or
KT8C/CV1079 tubes? And also, any currently-available transformer
recommendations for them?)

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > > "At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet
> > > subscriptions will keep some little girls safe tonight.
> >
> > Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.
>
> What lies, GOIA? In the past week I've asked you:
>
> What kind of music do you enjoy listening to?
> What type of speakers do you like best (e.g. box, dipole, etc.)?
> What vinyl you kept after claiming you'd sold it all?
> What cartridges do you think sound best?
> What are good turntables IYO?
>
> The silence was deafening. I think you were probably too busy thinking
> about little girls.

I have it on good authority that Krooger spends a fair amount of time
trying to defeat the alarm in his ankle bracelet.

[George M. Middius]

MiNe 109 said:

> > ;-)
>
> Does the winkie mean that you know it's not really Jenn's example but
> you're saying so anyway? Is that a joke? Irony?

Actually, it means Arnii scored some turds that he's especially proud to
add to his collection.

[George M. Middius]

Yapper yapped:

> > The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?
> >
> > Vinyl? No.
> > Turntables? No.
> > Cartridges or stylii? No.
> > Wire and cables? No.
> > Amplifiers? No.
> > Preamplifiers? No.
> > Tubes? No.
> > CD/DVD players? No.
> > Ready-made room treatments? No.
> > SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.
> > Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.
> > Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.
>
> Is this an audio discussion or an Arny discussion?

You're an Arnii discussion. The available issues are whether you're in
love with the Krooborg, whether you voluntarily became its creature, and
whether you think Krooger is a good christian. Let me know which of those
issues you want and your choice of pro or con, and I'll pencil you in.

> I think all topics on your list are open.

I think your trap is open again.

> Lets[sic] start with this.
> What is your TT of preference and why?

My preference is a new line from the UK called "Dead Dogs Turntables".
Have you had a chance to audition one yet?

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message

>
> I can only say I want to be on record as truly saddenned
> that your audio interest has been diminished to this
> scope.

The Middiot's audio interest is not diminished, because it has never been
any larger than just about zero. Go into google and read his posts from the
first one - he has always been about redicule.

[George M. Middius]

If an idiot yaps in the privacy of his work-kennel, does his religious
instructor hear the yapping?

> > > Is this an audio discussion or an Arny discussion?

> > You're an Arnii discussion. The available issues are whether you're in
> > love with the Krooborg, whether you voluntarily became its creature, and
> > whether you think Krooger is a good christian. Let me know which of those
> > issues you want and your choice of pro or con, and I'll pencil you in.

> I can only say[snip]

Sadly, there's no "only" about it. Whatever you say, Witless, you say over
and over and over, regardless of how many times it's rebutted by regular
people.

Do us all (including your flea-bitten self) a big favor and go bury a
bone.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 2:29*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> The Middiot's audio interest is not diminished, because it has never been
> any larger than just about zero. *Go into google and read his posts from the
> first one - he has always been about redicule.

Speakers? Lies? Turntable/cartridge/tonearm combinations? Music?

I'm resorting to shorthand, GOIA, as I've asked you all of these
questions several times now. ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 1:50*pm, ScottW > wrote:

> Is this an audio discussion or an Arny discussion?

Don't distract him. I've been asking GOIA some audio questions for a
few days now. He doesn't seem to be understanding them.

I'd really like to know what vinyl he's kept (and why), or if he
didn't keep any and sold it all like he said he did, why he said just
said he had some. Isn't that strange?

Say, does GOIA have 'integrity' IYO? I've never lied here, you see,
and I apparently don't have any 'integrity'. GOIA just got caught in a
bald-faced lie. Color me curious.

> I think all topics on your list are open.
> Lets start with this.
>
> What is your TT of preference and why?

Not until you nag GOIA like you have been nagging Jenn. It's only
fair. You need to say, "I'd like to go on record that GOIA reminds me
of snot when I have a really bad cold".

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 4:25*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Feb 7, 1:52*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

> > Say, does GOIA have 'integrity' IYO?
>
> * Not generally. *Though in a serious audio discussion
> I don't think he overtly lies until someone shows him
> to have less expertise than he wished he had.
>
> > I've never lied here, you see,
>
> Not even regarding things I've said?

Nope.

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > > I've never lied here, you see,
> >
> > Not even regarding things I've said?
>
> Nope.

Do you think Scottie will ever say "I misspoke"?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 5:16*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > I've never lied here, you see,
>
> > > Not even regarding things I've said?
>
> > Nope.
>
> Do you think Scottie will ever say "I misspoke"?

Nope.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 12:22*pm, Bret Ludwig > wrote:
> > Do the regulars on RAT there have "fun" when you're around, GOIA? Do
> > you add to the discussions there or do you detract from them like you
> > do here? Or do people just generally ignore you?
>
> > What is your definition of "fun"?
>
> *Not what anyone else would consider fun.

I have noticed a rather underwhelming outpouring of support for GOIA.
I suspect his name in the subject line was enough to keep all of his
"friends" on RAT away.

> > (BTW, since I crossposted to RAT, does anybody have any pro/con
> > opinions or experience for homebrews using PP or PPP EL38, 6384, or
> > KT8C/CV1079 tubes? And also, any currently-available transformer
> > recommendations for them?)
>
> *Yes, avoid them.

For technical reasons? I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine for audio.

> *The 1625 is probably the best off-type value now. 807s are fairly
> economic also.

I have at least three dozen of each type on hand, so even if the 1625
(a 12v 807, isn't it?) was only .10 each it isn't a better value. I
even have some old Philips brown-base EL34s and some NOS Mullards.

I just want to make a couple of nice tube monoblocks.

Who's making the best trannies these days? I have a pair of military
UTC 6v 10a power trannies, so specifically I'm curious about currently-
made outputs.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 11:57 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > wrote in message

> >> Tubes? No.
>
> I'm still having fun over in RAT.

> Do the regulars on RAT there have "fun" when you're around, GOIA?

To quote a very knowledgeable retired BBC
engineer of my acquaintance: "I would rather have
cranial surgery than be involved in discussion
of any kind with Mr Krueger"

That will tell you how much fun Arny is.

Iain

[Clyde Slick]

On 8 Feb, 09:17, "Iain Churches" > wrote:


>
> To quote a very knowledgeable retired BBC
> engineer of my acquaintance: "I would rather have
> cranial surgery than be involved in discussion
> of any kind with Mr Krueger"
>
> That will tell you how much fun Arny is.
>
> Iain

Not that there is anythig worng with cranial surgery.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The question is, what topics are "OK" to discuss?
>>>>
>>>> Vinyl? No.
>>>> Turntables? No.
>>>> Cartridges or stylii? No.
>>>> Wire and cables? No.
>>>> Amplifiers? No.
>>>> Preamplifiers? No.
>>>> Tubes? No.
>>>> CD/DVD players? No.
>>>> Ready-made room treatments? No.
>>>> SACD/Blu-Ray, etc.? No.
>>>> Stereos costing more than a few hundred bucks? No.
>>>> Any audio review that does not include DBT? No.
>>
>>>> All of these are "ripoffs" sanctioned and promoted by
>>>> the EHEE (Evil High-End Establishment, pronounced
>>>> "Eeee-Heee"). These all represent 'solved' issues.
>>>> There's no sense even discussing them! Discussing them
>>>> here simply wrecks this forum!
>>>>
>>>> This leaves speakers and home-made room treatments. I
>>>> move that this forum be renamed
>>>> "rec.audio.opinions-on-speakers.and.cheap-home-
>>>> made.audio.solutions" forthwith. Do I have a second?
>>
>>> "At least" Arny changing the title in his Usenet
>>> subscriptions will keep some little girls safe tonight.
>>
>> Thus Jenn puts her approval on ****R's lies.
>>
>> I want to go on record as being against the throwing of
>> such snot.
>
> "Pity party"

I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
.fi
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in message
> ...
> On Feb 7, 11:57 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>> > wrote in message
>
>>>> Tubes? No.
>>
>> I'm still having fun over in RAT.
>
>> Do the regulars on RAT there have "fun" when you're
>> around, GOIA?
>
> To quote a very knowledgeable retired BBC
> engineer of my acquaintance: "I would rather have
> cranial surgery than be involved in discussion
> of any kind with Mr Krueger"
>
> That will tell you how much fun Arny is.

I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 8, 10:37*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> *I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.

Your record on snot speaks for itself, GOIA.

Cure yourself first. ;-)

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > *I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.
>
> Your record on snot speaks for itself, GOIA.
> Cure yourself first. ;-)

Been there done, that. Properly cured turds are a staple of the outdoorsy
borg's diet.

http://files.blog-city.com/files/aa/21864/p/f/turds.jpg

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 7, 6:09*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2:52*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Feb 7, 4:25*pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 7, 1:52*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> > > > Say, does GOIA have 'integrity' IYO?
>
> > > * Not generally. *Though in a serious audio discussion
> > > I don't think he overtly lies until someone shows him
> > > to have less expertise than he wished he had.
>
> > > > I've never lied here, you see,
>
> > > Not even regarding things I've said?
>
> > Nope.
>
> *A glimmer of hope.....dashed.

I've never had any hope that you'd ever learn English. If you did, my
advice would be not to dream impossible dreams.

Since learning English won't happen, another option is to learn to say
"Sorry, I misspoke."

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> Since [duh-Scottie] learning English won't happen, another option is to learn to say
> "Sorry, I misspoke."

You were right before. Scottie only knows how to say "You misunderstood
me, you $(*!ing &#!*head!"

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 8, 4:56*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > Since [duh-Scottie] learning English won't happen, another option is to learn to say
> > "Sorry, I misspoke."
>
> You were right before. Scottie only knows how to say "You misunderstood
> me, you $(*!ing &#!*head!"

That's because, as we've seen magnified to the fifteenth power over
this past week, everything is always somebody else's fault to 2pid.

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > > Since [duh-Scottie] learning English won't happen, another option is to learn to say
> > > "Sorry, I misspoke."
> >
> > You were right before. Scottie only knows how to say "You misunderstood
> > me, you $(*!ing &#!*head!"
>
> That's because, as we've seen magnified to the fifteenth power over
> this past week, everything is always somebody else's fault to 2pid.

Yep, that's how it looks. I wonder if he learned to 'think' like that in
church? He swallowed the "miracles" crapola whole, so he's probably
gullible enough for any dogma they toss at him.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 8, 5:09*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > Since [duh-Scottie] learning English won't happen, another option is to learn to say
> > > > "Sorry, I misspoke."
>
> > > You were right before. Scottie only knows how to say "You misunderstood
> > > me, you $(*!ing &#!*head!"
>
> > That's because, as we've seen magnified to the fifteenth power over
> > this past week, everything is always somebody else's fault to 2pid.
>
> Yep, that's how it looks. I wonder if he learned to 'think' like that in
> church? He swallowed the "miracles" crapola whole, so he's probably
> gullible enough for any dogma they toss at him.

Well, he was 'smart' enough to see a trap used by small children since
the beginning of time. Anybody would know that either way you answer a
question like "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" is no-win.
Everybody except 2pid, that is. Drill sergeants use the same tactic on
basic trainees, of course. They'll make a statement about somebody.
When the person disagrees, they'll say "Are you calling me a liar?"
"No, drill sergeant!" "Then what I said is true." "No, drill
sergeant!" and so on. It inevitably ends with lots of push-ups. :-)

I wonder if 2pid will ever realize that by answering "no" to my
question he did indeed confess to having oral sex with stray mongrels.
Answering "Yes" would have been an admission that he had in the past
but had stopped. He should not have misused his ellipses...again,
which compounded his error. A comma even might have saved him.
Omitting the "No..." entirely was his best bet. "I have never engaged
in that type of activity." would have certainly ended the matter
there.

But 2pid, with his infamous poor English skills, has instead chosen to
call me a "liar" after his confessing to having oral sex with stray
mongrels. Do I actually think that 2pid has oral sex with stray
mongrels? I'd sure hope not. But since he's chosen to admit it, who am
I to disagree?

BTW, have you seen 2pid's latest foray into the "confusing" world of
English with JA? LOL!

Neither 2pid nor GOIA can ever admit that they were wrong. They're
birds of a feather.

[[email protected]]

On Feb 7, 12:29�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
> > �I can only say I want to be on record as truly saddenned
> > that your audio interest has been diminished to this
> > scope.
>
> The Middiot's audio interest is not diminished, because it has never been
> any larger than just about zero. �Go into google and read his posts from the
> first one - he has always been about redicule.

I'd love to see George's first post here. It's probably more about
disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a retard like Krueger know
how to work a keyboard?"

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

> On Feb 7, 12:29?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ?I can only say I want to be on record as truly
>>> saddenned that your audio interest has been diminished
>>> to this scope.
>>
>> The Middiot's audio interest is not diminished, because
>> it has never been any larger than just about zero. ?Go
>> into google and read his posts from the first one - he
>> has always been about redicule.
>
> I'd love to see George's first post here. It's probably
> more about disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a
> retard like Krueger know how to work a keyboard?"

Thanks Boon for admitting that you are so dense that you can't figure out
how to obtain the Middiot's first post here.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 8, 9:22*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 12:29?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> ?I can only say I want to be on record as truly
> >>> saddenned that your audio interest has been diminished
> >>> to this scope.
>
> >> The Middiot's audio interest is not diminished, because
> >> it has never been any larger than just about zero. ?Go
> >> into google and read his posts from the first one - he
> >> has always been about redicule.
>
> > I'd love to see George's first post here. *It's probably
> > more about disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a
> > retard like Krueger know how to work a keyboard?"
>
> Thanks Boon for admitting that you are so dense that you can't figure out
> how to obtain the Middiot's first post here.

I've looked for yours, GOIA. It seems that you've gone through several
iterations of spellings of your name, for example. Why don't you post
some of your early gems? I'd like to try to find the exact moment that
your sanity slipped away from you.

Or was that long before you appeared here?

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> .fi
>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>> wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Feb 7, 11:57 am, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>>> > wrote in message
>>
>>>>> Tubes? No.
>>>
>>> I'm still having fun over in RAT.
>>
>>> Do the regulars on RAT there have "fun" when you're
>>> around, GOIA?
>>
>> To quote a very knowledgeable retired BBC
>> engineer of my acquaintance: "I would rather have
>> cranial surgery than be involved in discussion
>> of any kind with Mr Krueger"
>>
>> That will tell you how much fun Arny is.
>
> I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.


The man, a BBC engineer with almost 40 years
experience and several papers published,
spoke in all sincerity, and, having realised what
a foul.mouthed, thoroughly unpleasant character
Mr K was, moved to a closed group to which
he (AK) is denied access.

The absence of this cultured and well-informed
man is a loss to any audio group. But, what does
that matter as long as Arny is "having fun" ?

Iain

[[email protected]]

On Feb 8, 7:22�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 12:29?pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> ?I can only say I want to be on record as truly
> >>> saddenned that your audio interest has been diminished
> >>> to this scope.
>
> >> The Middiot's audio interest is not diminished, because
> >> it has never been any larger than just about zero. ?Go
> >> into google and read his posts from the first one - he
> >> has always been about redicule.
>
> > I'd love to see George's first post here. �It's probably
> > more about disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a
> > retard like Krueger know how to work a keyboard?"
>
> Thanks Boon for admitting that you are so dense that you can't figure out
> how to obtain the Middiot's first post here.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No, I'm just pulling an "Arny"...you know, feigning ignorance about
the Internet until someone does the work for me.

Boon

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 9, 3:47*am, "Iain Churches" > wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
> . ..
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> .fi
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> >> wrote in message
> ....
> >> On Feb 7, 11:57 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> >> wrote:
> >>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> >>>> > wrote in message
>
> >>>>> Tubes? No.
>
> >>> I'm still having fun over in RAT.
>
> >>> Do *the regulars on RAT there have "fun" when you're
> >>> around, GOIA?
>
> >> To quote a very knowledgeable retired BBC
> >> engineer of my acquaintance: "I would rather have
> >> cranial surgery than be involved in discussion
> >> of any kind with Mr Krueger"
>
> >> That will tell you how much fun Arny is.
>
> > I want to go on record as being against the throwing of such snot.
>
> The man, a BBC engineer with almost 40 years
> experience and several papers published,
> spoke in all sincerity, and, having realised what
> a foul.mouthed, thoroughly unpleasant character
> Mr K was, moved to a closed group to which
> he (AK) is denied access.

But... but... GOIA is always saying that those groups are where the
'real men' go to have audio discussions. The knowledgeable ones like
him. (But then, for some odd reason, he is always seen here. I find
myself wondering why.)

How can it be that there's a closed audio group of professionals that
won't countenance him?

> The absence of this cultured and well-informed
> man is a loss to any audio group. But, what does
> that matter as long as Arny is "having fun" *?

I'm sorry, but *I* drove all the people like that away. GOIA said so.

[George M. Middius]

Scottie pulls back the curtain a tad on the dementia that defines his
existence.

> It is sad that so many lack the stamina to endure the ridiculers
> whose sole objective is to force other people into like minded
> posting.

Can you please explain how anybody can "force other people" into making
any kind of posts?

Also, please explain what on earth "like minded posting" means. As
you're apparently not aware, posts don't have minds.

Sad to see your stupidity still dominates your own posts, Scooter.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
ti.fi

> The man, a BBC engineer with almost 40 years
> experience

IOW about retirement age.

> and several papers published,
> spoke in all sincerity, and, having realised what
> a foul.mouthed, thoroughly unpleasant character
> Mr K was, moved to a closed group to which
> he (AK) is denied access.

In fact, I'm have full access to every group that I wish to have access,
Iain. You're just throwing libelous snot.

Iain, it must really suck being you given the libel that you regale in.

[dizzy]

Arny Krueger wrote:

>> I'd love to see George's first post here. It's probably
>> more about disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a
>> retard like Krueger know how to work a keyboard?"
>
>Thanks Boon for admitting that you are so dense that you can't figure out
>how to obtain the Middiot's first post here.

Another lie from Arny. Documented.

[Arny Krueger]

"dizzy" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>>> I'd love to see George's first post here. It's probably
>>> more about disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a
>>> retard like Krueger know how to work a keyboard?"
>>
>> Thanks Boon for admitting that you are so dense that you
>> can't figure out how to obtain the Middiot's first post
>> here.
>
> Another lie from Arny. Documented.

Documented, where?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

Since 2pid is such a prolific poster, I thought it would be worthwhile
to help him with his English so that he can communicate his imbecilic
'thoughts' more clearly.

On Feb 9, 10:55*am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message

> > The man, a BBC engineer with almost 40 years
> > experience and several papers published,
> > spoke in all sincerity, and, having realised what
> > a foul.mouthed, thoroughly unpleasant character
> > Mr K was, moved to a closed group to which
> > he (AK) is denied access.

Look, 2pid! Here is a point that we will come back to later in this
post! That little "(AK)" is quite an important addition when one is
trying to insure readers understand what is being said! Reread that
sentence after removing it and see if the reason why can penetrate
your incredibly thick skull!

I put the answer down below!**

> > The absence of this cultured and well-informed
> > man is a loss to any audio group. But, what does
> > that matter as long as Arny is "having fun" *?
>
> It is sad that so many lack the stamina to endure the ridiculers
> whose sole objective is to force other people into like minded
> posting.

Posting on newsgroups is, after all, a test of 'manhood'. Posting
messages that show a truly messy and confused 'mind' (like this one of
yours) shows pure undiluted stupidity.

> But if they ever achieve their objective, they change, as the
> true objective is pure self-amusement with ridicule.

OK, 2pid, here is some more help with English for you:

You should (before posting) determine who "they" are and be clear
about it in your message. "They" here could mean either the people who
"lack stamina" or the 'ridiculers'. It would be better to specify, as
in "But if these 'ridiculers' ever achieve their objective...". Your
post would still not make any sense, but at least we'd know who it
didn't make sense about.

I would *guess* your intent was for "they" to mean the 'ridiculers'.
Usually, however, "they" would refer to the subject in the preceding
sentence, and the subject in the preceding sentence was those who
"lack stamina".

As we've seen from you, if someone guesses the intent of your garbled
and nonsensical messages incorrectly, even though you may ridicule
them, it's their fault. They are, however, helpless to do anything but
guess. (See how that works? The words "their" or "they" do not refer
to you or your garbled message or your ridicule. They refer the the
subject in the previous sentence. The subject in that sentence is
someone who guesses the intent of your child-like and poorly-written
messages incorrectly.)

For further reference, please see:

http://www.arts.uottawa.ca/writcent/hypergrammar/subjpred.html

(I chose a Canadian site to be ironic. Even Canadians speak better
English than you do!)

LOL, ay?

**In Iain's sentence above, the subject was the BBC engineer. When
Iain used "he" later, Iain realized that, since "he" would refer to
the subject, he'd better clarify that he meant GOIA and not the BBC
engineer. Since Iain wrote so clearly, there was no chance of his
being misunderstood.

[[email protected]]

On Feb 9, 1:42�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> >>> I'd love to see George's first post here. �It's probably
> >>> more about disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a
> >>> retard like Krueger know how to work a keyboard?"
>
> >> Thanks Boon for admitting that you are so dense that you
> >> can't figure out how to obtain the Middiot's first post
> >> here.
>
> > Another lie from Arny. �Documented.
>
> Documented, where?

I don't think it's a lie as much as your poor reading comprehension
once again getting the better of you. You should have gone to a
decent college, Arny. You know, one that doesn't give degrees to
functional illiterates.

Boon

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> ti.fi
>
>> The man, a BBC engineer with almost 40 years
>> experience
>
> IOW about retirement age.

Correct.

>> and several papers published,
>> spoke in all sincerity, and, having realised what
>> a foul.mouthed, thoroughly unpleasant character
>> Mr K was, moved to a closed group to which
>> he (AK) is denied access.
>
> In fact, I'm have full access to every group that I wish to have access,


I don't think it is due to your lamentable English
syntax either. "I'm have full access" (sic) :-)

You are expressly denied access to at least two
closed professional audio groups to my
knowledge. There may be many more.
The reason is obvious.

Iain

[fredtroy]

Hi,

This is to Shhh, I've been listening to reason. About a year ago you posted about using KT8C in amplifier. Been considering trying this as replacement to KT66, could you please contact me?

Thank-you,

Fred

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi

>
> You are expressly denied access to at least two
> closed professional audio groups to my
> knowledge. There may be many more.
> The reason is obvious.

Name them.

[dizzy]

wrote:

>Arny Krueger wrote:
>> dizzy wrote:
>> > Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>> >>> I'd love to see George's first post here. ?It's probably
>> >>> more about disbelief than ridicule, as in "How does a
>> >>> retard like Krueger know how to work a keyboard?"
>>
>> >> Thanks Boon for admitting that you are so dense that you
>> >> can't figure out how to obtain the Middiot's first post
>> >> here.
>>
>> > Another lie from Arny. ?Documented.
>>
>> Documented, where?
>
>I don't think it's a lie as much as your poor reading comprehension
>once again getting the better of you.

Nope. It was a lie. Nothing like what Arny claimed was admitted, nor
even implied. Arny does this kind of thing *often*.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> i.fi
>
>>
>> You are expressly denied access to at least two
>> closed professional audio groups to my
>> knowledge. There may be many more.
>> The reason is obvious.
>
> Name them.

How would that help you? You would
still be denied access. One of the rules
of membership of a closed group is that
the subscribers do not post an address
link to anyone who is excluded. You
are such a person.

The infamy of Arny Krueger is spread
across several continents:-)

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
ti.fi
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> i.fi
>>
>>>
>>> You are expressly denied access to at least two
>>> closed professional audio groups to my
>>> knowledge. There may be many more.
>>> The reason is obvious.

>> Name them.

> How would that help you?

Iain, it wouldn't help me at all, but it would make someone *not* think that
as usual, you're making up a tall tale to express your hatred and fear of
me. It is very sad to think that an adult man would stoop to such childish
antics.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg's fabutastic derring-do unmasks yet another liar.

> >>> You are expressly denied access to at least two
> >>> closed professional audio groups to my
> >>> knowledge. There may be many more.
> >>> The reason is obvious.
>
> >> Name them.
>
> > How would that help you?
>
> Iain, it wouldn't help me at all, but it would make someone *not* think that
> as usual, you're making up a tall tale to express your hatred and fear of
> me.

Arnii, lately you've been boasting about the "hurting" you put on
Stephen, Jenn, John, etc. If you're not aiming to inspire hatred and
fear, why do you revel in the "hurting"?

> It is very sad to think that an adult man would stoop to such childish antics.

Yes, it certainly is. You would never do that, would you, Arnii? ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 11, 1:26*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> The Krooborg's fabutastic derring-do unmasks yet another liar.
>
> > >>> You are expressly denied access to at least two
> > >>> closed professional audio groups *to my
> > >>> knowledge. There may be many more.
> > >>> The reason is obvious.
>
> > >> Name them.
>
> > > How would that help you?
>
> > Iain, it wouldn't help me at all, but it would make someone *not* think that
> > as usual, you're making up a tall tale to express your hatred and fear of
> > me.

GOIA, have you ever heard of "three strikes. you're out"? You've been
banned from r.a.h-e. There is not one single reason to believe that
you have not been banned from other groups as well.

I'll bet a large majority would ban you from r.a.t and r.a.o and many,
many others if it was an option.

> Arnii, lately you've been boasting about the "hurting" you put on
> Stephen, Jenn, John, etc. If you're not aiming to inspire hatred and
> fear, why do you revel in the "hurting"?

Not to mention all the "fun" he has on RAT. Not one single person came
to his defense there or said he was "fun", note.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> ti.fi
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>> i.fi
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are expressly denied access to at least two
>>>> closed professional audio groups to my
>>>> knowledge. There may be many more.
>>>> The reason is obvious.
>
>>> Name them.
>
>> How would that help you?
>
> Iain, it wouldn't help me at all, but it would make someone *not* think
> that as usual, you're making up a tall tale to express your hatred and
> fear of me.

Anyone and everyone who belongs to the
two closed groups to which I have access,
is aware of the "exclusion list". Our mutual
friend, the gentleman from the BBC made
sure your name was right at the top. You
certainly know how to win friends and
influence people:-)

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
i.fi
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> ti.fi
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>> i.fi
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are expressly denied access to at least two
>>>>> closed professional audio groups to my
>>>>> knowledge. There may be many more.
>>>>> The reason is obvious.
>>
>>>> Name them.
>>
>>> How would that help you?
>>
>> Iain, it wouldn't help me at all, but it would make
>> someone *not* think that as usual, you're making up a
>> tall tale to express your hatred and fear of me.

> Anyone and everyone who belongs to the
> two closed groups to which I have access,
> is aware of the "exclusion list". Our mutual
> friend, the gentleman from the BBC made
> sure your name was right at the top. You
> certainly know how to win friends and
> influence people:-)

Why should anybody care if some superannuated duffers entertain themselves
by implementing an enemies list?

Thanks for admitting that I'm not the only person on the purported list. I
suspect that the other members of this list are as unconcerned as I.

[George M. Middius]

Liarborg lied:

> > Anyone and everyone who belongs to the
> > two closed groups to which I have access,
> > is aware of the "exclusion list". Our mutual
> > friend, the gentleman from the BBC made
> > sure your name was right at the top. You
> > certainly know how to win friends and
> > influence people:-)
>
> Thanks for admitting that I'm not the only person on the purported list. I
> suspect that the other members of this list are as unconcerned as I.

Is your "unconcern" why you demanded to know the names of the groups
that have proactively banned you?

The reality is, Iain, that the Krooborg is continually running from one
hotseat to the next. For the past week, he's been trying to inflame RAO
into a pitchforks-and-torches lynch mob. Before that, it was aus.hi.fi.
Before that, it was rec.audio.tech. The reason Krooger demanded to know
who had banned him is that he senses the possibility of creating rafts
of new enemies. A twisted paranoid nutjob like Arnii Krooborg can never
have enough enemies.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message

>>>>>> You are expressly denied access to at least two
>>>>>> closed professional audio groups to my
>>>>>> knowledge. There may be many more.
>>>>>> The reason is obvious.
>>>
>>>>> Name them.
>>>
>>>> How would that help you?
>>>
>>> Iain, it wouldn't help me at all, but it would make
>>> someone *not* think that as usual, you're making up a
>>> tall tale to express your hatred and fear of me.
>
>> Anyone and everyone who belongs to the
>> two closed groups to which I have access,
>> is aware of the "exclusion list". Our mutual
>> friend, the gentleman from the BBC made
>> sure your name was right at the top. You
>> certainly know how to win friends and
>> influence people:-)
>
> Why should anybody care if some superannuated duffers entertain themselves
> by implementing an enemies list?

Most of the senior staff of the major record and
broadcasting companies are to be found amongst
the membership, plus musicians and artists, composers,
and many good engineering people. There are sections
for visual arts, music, recording arts, audio technology
etc etc, An exclusion list is to keep out persons just like
yourself. The members vote to bring in new
members, often from open groups like this one,
and they also vote to exclude undesirables. I
am sure those that voted "No" had an
overwhelming majority in your case, Arny:-))

Good fortune
Iain