HiFi Overstock - Reputable?

[Mark A]

Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" > wrote in message
. ..
> Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?
>
> Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
> hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
> of.

frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your own
home, with your own gear.

If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
local car park, and buy from him.

As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
lousy


bassett

[Mark A]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
> any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your
> own home, with your own gear.
>
> If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
> local car park, and buy from him.
>
> As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
> lousy
> bassett

They are PMC, not PCM. I have heard them, and they outstanding, as anyone
who knows about speakers would have known.

My question was not about the speakers, but about the retailer, but you are
obviously too stupid to read with any level of comprehension.

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" > wrote in message
. ..
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
>> any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your
>> own home, with your own gear.
>>
>> If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
>> local car park, and buy from him.
>>
>> As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
>> lousy
>> bassett
>
> They are PMC, not PCM. I have heard them, and they outstanding, as anyone
> who knows about speakers would have known.

Outstanding compaired to " what "

> My question was not about the speakers, but about the retailer, but you
> are obviously too stupid to read with any level of comprehension.

So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.

So lets look at your speakers, firstly there nothing special, No
details of the Drivers used, No details about the crossover. or what
sort of compressed cardboard they used for the cabinets , Did they
use wood vineer, OMG, or plastic , it just gets worse. But a small
tip, if they used plastic, don't leave-um out in the Sun for too long,
in case they Peel.

Some get a 5 star rating from What-Hi Fi , others get a "Best Buy"
from Hi-Fi Choice, which tells us one something, unfortunatly it's not
about your speakers in cardboard box's but just how much they spent on
advertising.

And there's nothing wrong with my level of comprehension, "Petal" I
just read what's printed, and as far as your speakers are concerned,
that's very little. But if you want a slanging match, just say so,
And I'll accommodate you. I really like, exposing "septic's" for
just what they are. A large dense object, full of ****.

bassett

[Arny Krueger]

"Mark A" > wrote in message


> Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?

Who are they?

Do they have an address that you could give to say, your state's attorney
general?

I can't find that on their web site.

I checked their domain name registration, and came up with a PO box in
California. But that may not be where the company is.

> Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC
> speakers) but I am hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an
> internet company that I never heard of.

Their web site looks to me like it is pretty immature. The domain was
registered in feb 2007.

A little searching around suggests that their storefront software is
http://mycommerce.tv/concept/ .

Virtually every search engine hit I can find for it points to parked web
sites, not real information about the business.

I wouldn't start right out spending the big bucks with them. I might buy a
mid-priced CD player from them right off, but not a Krell.

[Mark A]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> Outstanding compaired to " what "

Compared to any other comparable speakers (they obviously have a wide range
of models). I have listened to them, and they are outstanding.

> So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
> your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
> with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.

Excuse me, but I believe that most all speakers come in cardboard boxes.
Since their are no retailers close to where I live, they will have to be
shipped to me regardless of whom I purchase them from.

> So lets look at your speakers, firstly there nothing special, No
> details of the Drivers used, No details about the crossover. or
> what sort of compressed cardboard they used for the cabinets , Did
> they use wood vineer, OMG, or plastic , it just gets worse. But a
> small tip, if they used plastic, don't leave-um out in the Sun for
> too long, in case they Peel.

PMC stands for Professional Monitor Company, and some of their professional
models have a composite finish, but the models designed for home use have
wood veneer finish. The model I am considering is the OB1 which retails for
$5,649.00 a pair and HifiOverstock sells them for $4,196.75. BTW, the OM1
uses Dynaudio drivers, including the Esotec 75mm soft dome midrange. Here
are the other specs from the manufacturer:

Usable frequency response: 28kHz

Effective line length: 3.3m (11Feet)

Peak SPL@1 metre: >110dB

Sensitivity: 87db 1 watt 1 metre

Crossover Frequency: 380Hz & 3.8kHz
24dB per Oct, Linkwitz Riley

Impedance: 6 ohms nominal

Recommended Amp power: Up to 300W

Drive unit complement: LF Doped, 170mm with cast alloy chassis
MF Doped, 75mm Fabric soft dome
HF 27mm, Silk soft dome, ferrofluid cooled

Input connectors: 3 Pairs 4mm Binding posts
(Suitable for Tri-Wire or Tri-Amp)

Finishes Cherry, Oak, Black Ash,

Dimensions
H -1025mm (40.4 inches)
W - 200mm (7.9 inches)
D -325mm (12.8 inches)

Weight: - 21.5 kg (47.3 lbs)

Plinth: Minimum plinth spike height -
28mm (1.10 inches)

Options
Magnetic Shielding
Activation with Bryston PowerPacTM 120 or 250
Matching OB1 centre channel
Matching TLE1 Active subwoofer

> Some get a 5 star rating from What-Hi Fi , others get a "Best
> Buy" from Hi-Fi Choice, which tells us one something, unfortunatly
> it's not about your speakers in cardboard box's but just how much
> they spent on advertising.

Maybe you should check out the PMC website ( www.pmc-speakers.com ) and not
the retailer website (but I am not sure if you understand the difference
between a manufacturer and a retailer). Don't forget to look at their list
of key customers ( http://www.pmc-speakers.com/keyclients/index.php ), which
includes many of the top recording studios in the world. PMC does not spend
much on advertising, so whatever accolades they received, they earned.

> And there's nothing wrong with my level of comprehension, "Petal" I
> just read what's printed, and as far as your speakers are
> concerned, that's very little. But if you want a slanging match,
> just say so, And I'll accommodate you. I really like, exposing
> "septic's" for just what they are. A large dense object, full of ****.
>
> bassett

The only thing you are exposing is that you are illiterate, and know nothing
about high-end speakers.

[Eeyore]

Mark A wrote:

> Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?
>
> Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
> hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
> of.

The idea that anyone overstocked on PMC loudspeakers is laughable.

Graham

[Eeyore]

bassett wrote:

> "Mark A" > wrote
> > "bassett" > wrote
> >
> >> frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
> >> any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your
> >> own home, with your own gear.
> >>
> >> If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
> >> local car park, and buy from him.
> >>
> >> As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
> >> lousy
> >
> > They are PMC, not PCM. I have heard them, and they outstanding, as anyone
> > who knows about speakers would have known.
>
> Outstanding compaired to " what "

You've obviously never heard any.

They are simply outstanding without reference to any comparison.

Graham

[bob]

On Dec 2, 1:02 am, "Mark A" > wrote:
> Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?
>
> Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
> hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
> of.

Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
by reputation, call the number first.

bob

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 07:08, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> Their web site looks to me like it is pretty immature. The domain was
> registered in feb 2007.
>


"At least" it is a lot more sophisticated than www.pcabx.com
LOL!!!

[Eeyore]

bob wrote:

> "Mark A" > wrote:
> > Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?
> >
> > Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
> > hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
> > of.
>
> Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
> phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
> by reputation, call the number first.

The site is also hiding its details using the possibly illegal tactic of using a
*private* registration. At least in the UK businesses may absolutely NOT do
this.

A word to the FTC might be in order.

Graham


Domain Name: HIFIOVERSTOCK.BIZ
Domain ID: D16343695-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 13
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: C117089309780581
Registrant Name: Steve Myers
Registrant Organization: Private Registration US
Registrant Address1: P O Box 99800
Registrant City: EmeryVille
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 94662
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Registrant Email:
Administrative Contact ID: A117089311130619
Administrative Contact Name: Admin PrivateRegContact
Administrative Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Administrative Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Administrative Contact City: EmeryVille
Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94662
Administrative Contact Country: United States
Administrative Contact Country Code: US
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Administrative Contact Email:
Billing Contact ID: A117089311130621
Billing Contact Name: Bill PrivateRegContact
Billing Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Billing Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Billing Contact City: EmeryVille
Billing Contact State/Province: CA
Billing Contact Postal Code: 94662
Billing Contact Country: United States
Billing Contact Country Code: US
Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Billing Contact Email:
Technical Contact ID: C117089309780579
Technical Contact Name: TECH PrivateRegContact
Technical Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Technical Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Technical Contact City: EmeryVille
Technical Contact State/Province: CA
Technical Contact Postal Code: 94662
Technical Contact Country: United States
Technical Contact Country Code: US
Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Technical Contact Email:
Name Server: NS1.HC.RU
Name Server: NS2.HC.RU
Created by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Last Updated by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Domain Registration Date: Thu Feb 08 00:05:46 GMT 2007
Domain Expiration Date: Thu Feb 07 23:59:59 GMT 2008
Domain Last Updated Date: Sat Apr 21 19:38:57 GMT 2007

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 11:32, Eeyore >
wrote:
> bob wrote:
> > "Mark A" > wrote:
> > > Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?
>
> > > Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
> > > hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
> > > of.
>
> > Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
> > phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
> > by reputation, call the number first.
>
> The site is also hiding its details using the possibly illegal tactic of using a
> *private* registration. At least in the UK businesses may absolutely NOT do
> this.
>
> A word to the FTC might be in order.
>
> Graham
>
> Domain Name: HIFIOVERSTOCK.BIZ
> Domain ID: D16343695-BIZ
> Sponsoring Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
> Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 13
> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> Registrant ID: C117089309780581
> Registrant Name: Steve Myers
> Registrant Organization: Private Registration US
> Registrant Address1: P O Box 99800
> Registrant City: EmeryVille
> Registrant State/Province: CA
> Registrant Postal Code: 94662
> Registrant Country: United States
> Registrant Country Code: US
> Registrant Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> Registrant Email:
> Administrative Contact ID: A117089311130619
> Administrative Contact Name: Admin PrivateRegContact
> Administrative Contact Organization: Private Reg US
> Administrative Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
> Administrative Contact City: EmeryVille
> Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
> Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94662
> Administrative Contact Country: United States
> Administrative Contact Country Code: US
> Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> Administrative Contact Email:
> Billing Contact ID: A117089311130621
> Billing Contact Name: Bill PrivateRegContact
> Billing Contact Organization: Private Reg US
> Billing Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
> Billing Contact City: EmeryVille
> Billing Contact State/Province: CA
> Billing Contact Postal Code: 94662
> Billing Contact Country: United States
> Billing Contact Country Code: US
> Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> Billing Contact Email:
> Technical Contact ID: C117089309780579
> Technical Contact Name: TECH PrivateRegContact
> Technical Contact Organization: Private Reg US
> Technical Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
> Technical Contact City: EmeryVille
> Technical Contact State/Province: CA
> Technical Contact Postal Code: 94662
> Technical Contact Country: United States
> Technical Contact Country Code: US
> Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> Technical Contact Email:
> Name Server: NS1.HC.RU
> Name Server: NS2.HC.RU
> Created by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
> Last Updated by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
> Domain Registration Date: Thu Feb 08 00:05:46 GMT 2007
> Domain Expiration Date: Thu Feb 07 23:59:59 GMT 2008
> Domain Last Updated Date: Sat Apr 21 19:38:57 GMT 2007

BWIAN !!
where are you?

[dizzy]

bassett wrote:

>So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
>your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
>with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.

Try "you're", moron.

[Eeyore]

Clyde Slick wrote:

> On 2 Dec, 11:32, Eeyore >
> wrote:
> > bob wrote:
> > > "Mark A" > wrote:
> > > > Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?
> >
> > > > Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
> > > > hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
> > > > of.
> >
> > > Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
> > > phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
> > > by reputation, call the number first.
> >
> > The site is also hiding its details using the possibly illegal tactic of using a
> > *private* registration. At least in the UK businesses may absolutely NOT do
> > this.
> >
> > A word to the FTC might be in order.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > Domain Name: HIFIOVERSTOCK.BIZ
> > Domain ID: D16343695-BIZ
> > Sponsoring Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
> > Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 13
> > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > Registrant ID: C117089309780581
> > Registrant Name: Steve Myers
> > Registrant Organization: Private Registration US
> > Registrant Address1: P O Box 99800
> > Registrant City: EmeryVille
> > Registrant State/Province: CA
> > Registrant Postal Code: 94662
> > Registrant Country: United States
> > Registrant Country Code: US
> > Registrant Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> > Registrant Email:
> > Administrative Contact ID: A117089311130619
> > Administrative Contact Name: Admin PrivateRegContact
> > Administrative Contact Organization: Private Reg US
> > Administrative Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
> > Administrative Contact City: EmeryVille
> > Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
> > Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94662
> > Administrative Contact Country: United States
> > Administrative Contact Country Code: US
> > Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> > Administrative Contact Email:
> > Billing Contact ID: A117089311130621
> > Billing Contact Name: Bill PrivateRegContact
> > Billing Contact Organization: Private Reg US
> > Billing Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
> > Billing Contact City: EmeryVille
> > Billing Contact State/Province: CA
> > Billing Contact Postal Code: 94662
> > Billing Contact Country: United States
> > Billing Contact Country Code: US
> > Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> > Billing Contact Email:
> > Technical Contact ID: C117089309780579
> > Technical Contact Name: TECH PrivateRegContact
> > Technical Contact Organization: Private Reg US
> > Technical Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
> > Technical Contact City: EmeryVille
> > Technical Contact State/Province: CA
> > Technical Contact Postal Code: 94662
> > Technical Contact Country: United States
> > Technical Contact Country Code: US
> > Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
> > Technical Contact Email:
> > Name Server: NS1.HC.RU
> > Name Server: NS2.HC.RU
> > Created by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
> > Last Updated by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
> > Domain Registration Date: Thu Feb 08 00:05:46 GMT 2007
> > Domain Expiration Date: Thu Feb 07 23:59:59 GMT 2008
> > Domain Last Updated Date: Sat Apr 21 19:38:57 GMT 2007
>
> BWIAN !!
> where are you?

WTF are you on about ?

Graham


Also see regarding the 'registrar' ...........
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/667942.html


no need to go and visit this site, as it does not exist (well, there is no actual
website). However, if you google search it www.google.com.au/search...r=&start=30&sa=N
you will find plenty of info on it.

So, here is the story/question.

I suspect I am about to get scammed by the owners of this domain. As I am not 100%
sure, I will keep the specifics (names, other domains etc) generalised, as in the
event it is not a scam, I would hate to falsely accuse...

I have an online services business. The service we offer is very, very specialised,
and it is something that would only make sense to a small number of people, ie. it
would be like talking the specifics of brain surgery to Joe next door....

So, a few months ago, we get a new client, based in North America. We did a couple
jobs for him. He continued sending through the work, with promise of a lot more.

Being a small company, we were obviously excited. He was the type of customer we had
been looking for. I would not quite say he was too good to be true, because we know
that their are quite a few companies, like his, that could benefit from our service
and send us that volume of work.

He is quite a demanding customer, but we are happy to oblige to keep him happy. Also,
he knows his stuff. He can talk the talk, and knows all the right questions to ask
(remember, this is a very specialised field).

But, things just seem not quite right. Example:

1. We only have a phone number, and email for him (on its own, is not a big issue, as
we have a few customers like this)
2. The work we were doing for him seemed just a little strange. That is, it is work
that you wouldn't normally need our service for, BUT, you COULD use it if you really
wanted to.
3. Right after promising us more work the next day, he has been uncontactable for the
last week or so.
4. He is overdue a couple weeks with payment (which again, on its own is not a show
stopper, as in this industry, that is quite normal).

All together, things seemed a little bit odd.

So, I did a WHOIS on him domain name (incidentally, there is not actual website set
up). What I found, that it was registered through Melbourne It, and the contact email
address was

So, as per the start of this post, I Googled that domain name, and it came back with
pages and pages of other websites that have been seemingly registered to the same
person (as all the contact email addresses are the same).... basically, all the Google
information would suggest that these are all sites set up to Fraud you....

So...

my question:

1. Should I also assume that my customer (whos website seems to be linked to all these
other dodgy sites) is a fraud?
2. How is he planning to actually fraud us (as so far, all we have lost is out time.
It is not really the kind of service you would want to steal as such)
3. Has anyone else had experience with myprivateregistration.com?

If he is a Fraud, then man alive... he has either gone to amazing lengths to do it (as
he is too knowledgeable in this field), or he just happens to work in the industry.

Or, perhaps, he is legit......?

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" > wrote in message
.. .
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Outstanding compaired to " what "
>
> Compared to any other comparable speakers (they obviously have a wide
> range of models). I have listened to them, and they are outstanding.
>
>> So your going to shell out who know's how much money on
>> Speakers your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to
>> arrive, with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME
>> stupid.
>
> Excuse me, but I believe that most all speakers come in cardboard boxes.
> Since their are no retailers close to where I live, they will have to be
> shipped to me regardless of whom I purchase them from.
>
>> So lets look at your speakers, firstly there nothing special, No
>> details of the Drivers used, No details about the crossover. or
>> what sort of compressed cardboard they used for the cabinets , Did
>> they use wood vineer, OMG, or plastic , it just gets worse. But a
>> small tip, if they used plastic, don't leave-um out in the Sun for
>> too long, in case they Peel.
>
> PMC stands for Professional Monitor Company, and some of their
> professional models have a composite finish, but the models designed for
> home use have wood veneer finish. The model I am considering is the OB1
> which retails for $5,649.00 a pair and HifiOverstock sells them for
> $4,196.75. BTW, the OM1 uses Dynaudio drivers, including the Esotec 75mm
> soft dome midrange. Here are the other specs from the manufacturer:
>
> Usable frequency response: 28kHz
>
> Effective line length: 3.3m (11Feet)
>
> Peak SPL@1 metre: >110dB
>
> Sensitivity: 87db 1 watt 1 metre
>
> Crossover Frequency: 380Hz & 3.8kHz
> 24dB per Oct, Linkwitz Riley
>
> Impedance: 6 ohms nominal
>
> Recommended Amp power: Up to 300W
>
> Drive unit complement: LF Doped, 170mm with cast alloy chassis
> MF Doped, 75mm Fabric soft dome
> HF 27mm, Silk soft dome, ferrofluid cooled
>
> Input connectors: 3 Pairs 4mm Binding posts
> (Suitable for Tri-Wire or Tri-Amp)
>
> Finishes Cherry, Oak, Black Ash,
>
> Dimensions
> H -1025mm (40.4 inches)
> W - 200mm (7.9 inches)
> D -325mm (12.8 inches)
>
> Weight: - 21.5 kg (47.3 lbs)
>
> Plinth: Minimum plinth spike height -
> 28mm (1.10 inches)
>
> Options
> Magnetic Shielding
> Activation with Bryston PowerPacTM 120 or 250
> Matching OB1 centre channel
> Matching TLE1 Active subwoofer
>
>> Some get a 5 star rating from What-Hi Fi , others get a "Best
>> Buy" from Hi-Fi Choice, which tells us one something, unfortunatly
>> it's not about your speakers in cardboard box's but just how much
>> they spent on advertising.
>
> Maybe you should check out the PMC website ( www.pmc-speakers.com ) and
> not the retailer website (but I am not sure if you understand the
> difference between a manufacturer and a retailer). Don't forget to look at
> their list of key customers (
> http://www.pmc-speakers.com/keyclients/index.php ), which includes many of
> the top recording studios in the world. PMC does not spend much on
> advertising, so whatever accolades they received, they earned.
>
>> And there's nothing wrong with my level of comprehension, "Petal" I
>> just read what's printed, and as far as your speakers are
>> concerned, that's very little. But if you want a slanging match,
>> just say so, And I'll accommodate you. I really like, exposing
>> "septic's" for just what they are. A large dense object, full of
>> ****.
>>
>> bassett
>
> The only thing you are exposing is that you are illiterate, and know
> nothing about high-end speakers.
..For someone so highly informed as you profess to be, I still can't
get it round my head that you would shell out Dollars on Speakers
you haven't heard much less auditioned in your home environment

As for knowing about hi-end, the stuff your looking at is hardly
high end, it might rate as entry level, but even that's doubtful,
Some of the Krell models shown on there web site ARE high end, But
lets start talking Wilson, Gyphon, B & W 800 series, etc As for
Drivers, or modified drivers Scan Speak, Sea's or Jas-Audio.
Frankly I can't build for 4 grand, that would not cover the hardware
costs.

[bassett[_2_]]

"dizzy" > wrote in message
...
> bassett wrote:
>
>>So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
>>your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
>>with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.
>
> Try "you're", moron.
>

We write English the correct way, we don't corrupt it the way you
septic's do.

[Mark A]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> .For someone so highly informed as you profess to be, I still can't
> get it round my head that you would shell out Dollars on Speakers
> you haven't heard much less auditioned in your home environment

I have listened to them. I mentioned that in a previous post. Initially you
were just jumping to conclusions, but now you are proving that you are
completely illiterate.

> As for knowing about hi-end, the stuff your looking at is hardly
> high end, it might rate as entry level, but even that's doubtful,
> Some of the Krell models shown on there web site ARE high end,
> But lets start talking Wilson, Gyphon, B & W 800 series, etc As for
> Drivers, or modified drivers Scan Speak, Sea's or Jas-Audio.
> Frankly I can't build for 4 grand, that would not cover the
> hardware costs.

I don't think that a pair of speakers that lists for $6,500 (PMC OB1) are
entry level. PMC has other larger and more expensive speakers that can match
the Wilson, Gyphon, B & W 800 series, but I don't have the budget, nor the
room size for them.

I am not certain about all the drivers used in the OB1, but some (if not
all) are Dynaudio, which are among the finest in the world IMO. I have
listened to several speakers over the years that use the Dynaudio 75mm
Esotec dome midrange, and I prefer it to any other design I have ever heard.
I also spent several hours listening to the Dynaudio Evidence ($85,000 a
pair when I heard them about 5 years ago) and no one can tell me that
Dynaudio makes inferior drivers.

Judging by the PMC clientele (all of the top recording studios in the world,
plus Dolby Labs, DreamWorks, DTS labs, etc, etc), I would say that PMC is
one of the, if not the, most respected speaker companies in the world. The
fact that you have never heard of them (obvious by your posts and when you
called them PCM instead of PMC) shows your complete ignorance about high end
speakers.

[Mark A]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> We write English the correct way, we don't corrupt it the way
> you septic's do.

Even in the AU, I presume that the proper English is "you are" or "you're".
The word "your" as you used it is not correct in the context of your
original post.

You're (you are) completely illiterate.

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" > wrote in message
...
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> We write English the correct way, we don't corrupt it the way
>> you septic's do.
>
> Even in the AU, I presume that the proper English is "you are" or
> "you're". The word "your" as you used it is not correct in the context of
> your original post.
>
> You're (you are) completely illiterate.


Just a couple of very small points,
In your cut and paste of your speaker spec's you list the weight as
21.5 kg (47.3 lbs) It doesn't say much for the quality of the
product, or are you spending your pennies on bookshelf box's.

I,ve taken another look at your little internet site, and the only
traceable thing I can find out about them is a phone number [877] 224
2426. Or course that could also be the number of a call box on the
corner. the interesting question is which corner, in what town.
You also have to reply to a unknown e-mail addressed form, And
while you call me completely illiterate, that's a couple of points better
then being completely stupid, But if you want to part with your cash,
to an unknown internet site, without a traceable address, and a
questionable phone number, Your not only stupid, your also ****ed in
the head.

Might I suggest you check out some of the stuff on offer on AudiogoN, or
is that below your standard of perfection.
Frankly, If your spending series money, nothing beats a dedicated
Hi-Fi establishment, but as your obversely doing it on a budget, Good
luck.

bassett

[Mark A]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> Just a couple of very small points,
> In your cut and paste of your speaker spec's you list the weight as
> 21.5 kg (47.3 lbs) It doesn't say much for the quality of the
> product, or are you spending your pennies on bookshelf box's.
>
> I,ve taken another look at your little internet site, and the only
> traceable thing I can find out about them is a phone number [877]
> 224 2426. Or course that could also be the number of a call box on
> the corner. the interesting question is which corner, in what
> town.
> You also have to reply to a unknown e-mail addressed form, And
> while you call me completely illiterate, that's a couple of points
> better then being completely stupid, But if you want to part with
> your cash, to an unknown internet site, without a traceable address,
> and a questionable phone number, Your not only stupid, your also
> ****ed in the head.
>
> Might I suggest you check out some of the stuff on offer on AudiogoN,
> or is that below your standard of perfection.
> Frankly, If your spending series money, nothing beats a dedicated
> Hi-Fi establishment, but as your obversely doing it on a budget,
> Good luck.
>
> bassett

The speakers are not mine, they are made by PMC (Professional Monitor
Company) of the UK. I am not sure your point about the weight, they are
relatively small floor-standing speaker, but that is good in my case since
my listening room is not large. Only a moron would judge a speaker quality
by its weight. But 47.2 lbs for a single speaker (not the pair) is not
exactly light-weight for a speaker of that size. Your continued criticisms
of the speaker, rather than the retailer, is completely back-firing, and
look like a fool.

The internet site of the retailer is not mine either (you really need to
work on your reading comprehension if you don't want to called illiterate).
I agree that it is a little suspect, and I have no intention of purchasing
from them, but I was a little curious. I have seen internet sites that are
reputable but have no permanent address (they are essentially businesses who
drop-ship and do not have a brick and mortar store).

I am aware of AudigoN, but the products offered at HiFI Overstock are
claimed to be new in-the-box (sealed) and not even opened boxes. But think I
will pass on them anyway. Sending a private individual $4000.00 in the mail
for used equipment is not my idea of a secure transaction either.

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" > wrote in message
...
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Just a couple of very small points,
>> In your cut and paste of your speaker spec's you list the weight
>> as
>> 21.5 kg (47.3 lbs) It doesn't say much for the quality of the
>> product, or are you spending your pennies on bookshelf box's.
>>
>> I,ve taken another look at your little internet site, and the only
>> traceable thing I can find out about them is a phone number [877]
>> 224 2426. Or course that could also be the number of a call box on
>> the corner. the interesting question is which corner, in what
>> town.
>> You also have to reply to a unknown e-mail addressed form, And
>> while you call me completely illiterate, that's a couple of points
>> better then being completely stupid, But if you want to part with
>> your cash, to an unknown internet site, without a traceable address,
>> and a questionable phone number, Your not only stupid, your also
>> ****ed in the head.
>>
>> Might I suggest you check out some of the stuff on offer on AudiogoN,
>> or is that below your standard of perfection.
>> Frankly, If your spending series money, nothing beats a dedicated
>> Hi-Fi establishment, but as your obversely doing it on a budget,
>> Good luck.
>>
>> bassett
>
> The speakers are not mine, they are made by PMC (Professional Monitor
> Company) of the UK. I am not sure your point about the weight, they are
> relatively small floor-standing speaker, but that is good in my case since
> my listening room is not large. Only a moron would judge a speaker quality
> by its weight. But 47.2 lbs for a single speaker (not the pair) is not
> exactly light-weight for a speaker of that size. Your continued criticisms
> of the speaker, rather than the retailer, is completely back-firing, and
> look like a fool.
>
> The internet site of the retailer is not mine either (you really need to
> work on your reading comprehension if you don't want to called
> illiterate). I agree that it is a little suspect, and I have no intention
> of purchasing from them, but I was a little curious. I have seen internet
> sites that are reputable but have no permanent address (they are
> essentially businesses who drop-ship and do not have a brick and mortar
> store).
>
> I am aware of AudigoN, but the products offered at HiFI Overstock are
> claimed to be new in-the-box (sealed) and not even opened boxes. But think
> I will pass on them anyway. Sending a private individual $4000.00 in the
> mail for used equipment is not my idea of a secure transaction either.


Your the one running your mouth and making a complete **** of
yourself, not me.

[Clyde Slick]

On 3 Dec, 20:09, "bassett" > wrote:
> "Mark A" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Just a couple of very small points,
> >> In your cut and paste of your speaker spec's you list the weight
> >> as
> >> 21.5 kg (47.3 lbs) It doesn't say much for the quality of the
> >> product, or are you spending your pennies on bookshelf box's.
>
> >> I,ve taken another look at your little internet site, and the only
> >> traceable thing I can find out about them is a phone number [877]
> >> 224 2426. Or course that could also be the number of a call box on
> >> the corner. the interesting question is which corner, in what
> >> town.
> >> You also have to reply to a unknown e-mail addressed form, And
> >> while you call me completely illiterate, that's a couple of points
> >> better then being completely stupid, But if you want to part with
> >> your cash, to an unknown internet site, without a traceable address,
> >> and a questionable phone number, Your not only stupid, your also
> >> ****ed in the head.
>
> >> Might I suggest you check out some of the stuff on offer on AudiogoN,
> >> or is that below your standard of perfection.
> >> Frankly, If your spending series money, nothing beats a dedicated
> >> Hi-Fi establishment, but as your obversely doing it on a budget,
> >> Good luck.
>
> >> bassett
>
> > The speakers are not mine, they are made by PMC (Professional Monitor
> > Company) of the UK. I am not sure your point about the weight, they are
> > relatively small floor-standing speaker, but that is good in my case since
> > my listening room is not large. Only a moron would judge a speaker quality
> > by its weight. But 47.2 lbs for a single speaker (not the pair) is not
> > exactly light-weight for a speaker of that size. Your continued criticisms
> > of the speaker, rather than the retailer, is completely back-firing, and
> > look like a fool.
>
> > The internet site of the retailer is not mine either (you really need to
> > work on your reading comprehension if you don't want to called
> > illiterate). I agree that it is a little suspect, and I have no intention
> > of purchasing from them, but I was a little curious. I have seen internet
> > sites that are reputable but have no permanent address (they are
> > essentially businesses who drop-ship and do not have a brick and mortar
> > store).
>
> > I am aware of AudigoN, but the products offered at HiFI Overstock are
> > claimed to be new in-the-box (sealed) and not even opened boxes. But think
> > I will pass on them anyway. Sending a private individual $4000.00 in the
> > mail for used equipment is not my idea of a secure transaction either.
>
> Your the one running your mouth and making a complete **** of
> yourself, not me.

Your out of you're mind!
LOL!!

[Mark A]

"Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message
news:38a3b270-01e7-4ce0-a5b8-
> PMC is well known for selling overstock as "white van speakers".
> Buyer beware.
>
> Bob Morein
> (215) 646-4894

What does that mean? I am not sure you know who PMC is. Check out their
website:
http://www.pmc-speakers.com/

BTW, as of a few days ago, HiFi Overstock no longer sells PMC. They also
quit showing Dynaudio on their website a few weeks ago.

[Bill Riel]

In article >,
says...
> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message
> news:38a3b270-01e7-4ce0-a5b8-
> > PMC is well known for selling overstock as "white van speakers".
> > Buyer beware.
> >
> > Bob Morein
> > (215) 646-4894
>
> What does that mean?

It means you've been trolled.

> I am not sure you know who PMC is. Check out their
> website:
> http://www.pmc-speakers.com/
>
> BTW, as of a few days ago, HiFi Overstock no longer sells PMC. They also
> quit showing Dynaudio on their website a few weeks ago.

As far as I know, PMC is a very well respected brand. I don't trust HiFi
Overstock though.

But before buying *anywhere* I would first contact PMC and find out
who's authorized to sell their products.

--
Bill

[Mark A]

"Bill Riel" > wrote in message
t...
> As far as I know, PMC is a very well respected brand. I don't trust HiFi
> Overstock though.
>
> But before buying *anywhere* I would first contact PMC and find out
> who's authorized to sell their products.
> --
> Bill

HiFi Overstock is not an authorized PMC dealer. They made that clear on
their website and stated that there is a one year warranty offered by them
(not by PMC). I would only consider something like that if I could save
several thousand dollars on a 6K product and it was a speaker without any
active electronics (I would never do that for active electronics).

As I mentioned, HiFi Overstock no longer has PMC on their website, and they
dropped Dynaudio just a few weeks ago. They were probably getting the stuff
via gray market from an authorized dealer and the manufacturers probably
found out who was supplying them.

I found a PMC authorized dealer that sells PMC at a substantial discount.
probably because they don't stock anything and have no inventory costs on
that product line (but I have heard the speakers elsewhere so that is fine
with me).