[Mark A]

Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" wrote in message
news
Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your own
home, with your own gear.

If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
local car park, and buy from him.

As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
lousy


bassett

[Mark A]

"bassett" wrote in message
...
frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your
own home, with your own gear.

If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
local car park, and buy from him.

As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
lousy
bassett

They are PMC, not PCM. I have heard them, and they outstanding, as anyone
who knows about speakers would have known.

My question was not about the speakers, but about the retailer, but you are
obviously too stupid to read with any level of comprehension.

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" wrote in message
. ..
"bassett" wrote in message
...
frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your
own home, with your own gear.

If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
local car park, and buy from him.

As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
lousy
bassett

They are PMC, not PCM. I have heard them, and they outstanding, as anyone
who knows about speakers would have known.

Outstanding compaired to " what "

My question was not about the speakers, but about the retailer, but you
are obviously too stupid to read with any level of comprehension.

So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.

So lets look at your speakers, firstly there nothing special, No
details of the Drivers used, No details about the crossover. or what
sort of compressed cardboard they used for the cabinets , Did they
use wood vineer, OMG, or plastic , it just gets worse. But a small
tip, if they used plastic, don't leave-um out in the Sun for too long,
in case they Peel.

Some get a 5 star rating from What-Hi Fi , others get a "Best Buy"
from Hi-Fi Choice, which tells us one something, unfortunatly it's not
about your speakers in cardboard box's but just how much they spent on
advertising.

And there's nothing wrong with my level of comprehension, "Petal" I
just read what's printed, and as far as your speakers are concerned,
that's very little. But if you want a slanging match, just say so,
And I'll accommodate you. I really like, exposing "septic's" for
just what they are. A large dense object, full of ****.

bassett

[Mark A]

"bassett" wrote in message
...
Outstanding compaired to " what "

Compared to any other comparable speakers (they obviously have a wide range
of models). I have listened to them, and they are outstanding.

So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.

Excuse me, but I believe that most all speakers come in cardboard boxes.
Since their are no retailers close to where I live, they will have to be
shipped to me regardless of whom I purchase them from.

So lets look at your speakers, firstly there nothing special, No
details of the Drivers used, No details about the crossover. or
what sort of compressed cardboard they used for the cabinets , Did
they use wood vineer, OMG, or plastic , it just gets worse. But a
small tip, if they used plastic, don't leave-um out in the Sun for
too long, in case they Peel.

PMC stands for Professional Monitor Company, and some of their professional
models have a composite finish, but the models designed for home use have
wood veneer finish. The model I am considering is the OB1 which retails for
$5,649.00 a pair and HifiOverstock sells them for $4,196.75. BTW, the OM1
uses Dynaudio drivers, including the Esotec 75mm soft dome midrange. Here
are the other specs from the manufacturer:

Usable frequency response: 28kHz

Effective line length: 3.3m (11Feet)

Peak SPL@1 met 110dB

Sensitivity: 87db 1 watt 1 metre

Crossover Frequency: 380Hz & 3.8kHz
24dB per Oct, Linkwitz Riley

Impedance: 6 ohms nominal

Recommended Amp power: Up to 300W

Drive unit complement: LF Doped, 170mm with cast alloy chassis
MF Doped, 75mm Fabric soft dome
HF 27mm, Silk soft dome, ferrofluid cooled

Input connectors: 3 Pairs 4mm Binding posts
(Suitable for Tri-Wire or Tri-Amp)

Finishes Cherry, Oak, Black Ash,

Dimensions
H -1025mm (40.4 inches)
W - 200mm (7.9 inches)
D -325mm (12.8 inches)

Weight: - 21.5 kg (47.3 lbs)

Plinth: Minimum plinth spike height -
28mm (1.10 inches)

Options
Magnetic Shielding
Activation with Bryston PowerPacTM 120 or 250
Matching OB1 centre channel
Matching TLE1 Active subwoofer

Some get a 5 star rating from What-Hi Fi , others get a "Best
Buy" from Hi-Fi Choice, which tells us one something, unfortunatly
it's not about your speakers in cardboard box's but just how much
they spent on advertising.

Maybe you should check out the PMC website ( www.pmc-speakers.com ) and not
the retailer website (but I am not sure if you understand the difference
between a manufacturer and a retailer). Don't forget to look at their list
of key customers ( http://www.pmc-speakers.com/keyclients/index.php ), which
includes many of the top recording studios in the world. PMC does not spend
much on advertising, so whatever accolades they received, they earned.

And there's nothing wrong with my level of comprehension, "Petal" I
just read what's printed, and as far as your speakers are
concerned, that's very little. But if you want a slanging match,
just say so, And I'll accommodate you. I really like, exposing
"septic's" for just what they are. A large dense object, full of ****.

bassett

The only thing you are exposing is that you are illiterate, and know nothing
about high-end speakers.

[bassett[_2_]]

"Mark A" wrote in message
.. .
"bassett" wrote in message
...
Outstanding compaired to " what "

Compared to any other comparable speakers (they obviously have a wide
range of models). I have listened to them, and they are outstanding.

So your going to shell out who know's how much money on
Speakers your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to
arrive, with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME
stupid.

Excuse me, but I believe that most all speakers come in cardboard boxes.
Since their are no retailers close to where I live, they will have to be
shipped to me regardless of whom I purchase them from.

So lets look at your speakers, firstly there nothing special, No
details of the Drivers used, No details about the crossover. or
what sort of compressed cardboard they used for the cabinets , Did
they use wood vineer, OMG, or plastic , it just gets worse. But a
small tip, if they used plastic, don't leave-um out in the Sun for
too long, in case they Peel.

PMC stands for Professional Monitor Company, and some of their
professional models have a composite finish, but the models designed for
home use have wood veneer finish. The model I am considering is the OB1
which retails for $5,649.00 a pair and HifiOverstock sells them for
$4,196.75. BTW, the OM1 uses Dynaudio drivers, including the Esotec 75mm
soft dome midrange. Here are the other specs from the manufacturer:

Usable frequency response: 28kHz

Effective line length: 3.3m (11Feet)

Peak SPL@1 met 110dB

Sensitivity: 87db 1 watt 1 metre

Crossover Frequency: 380Hz & 3.8kHz
24dB per Oct, Linkwitz Riley

Impedance: 6 ohms nominal

Recommended Amp power: Up to 300W

Drive unit complement: LF Doped, 170mm with cast alloy chassis
MF Doped, 75mm Fabric soft dome
HF 27mm, Silk soft dome, ferrofluid cooled

Input connectors: 3 Pairs 4mm Binding posts
(Suitable for Tri-Wire or Tri-Amp)

Finishes Cherry, Oak, Black Ash,

Dimensions
H -1025mm (40.4 inches)
W - 200mm (7.9 inches)
D -325mm (12.8 inches)

Weight: - 21.5 kg (47.3 lbs)

Plinth: Minimum plinth spike height -
28mm (1.10 inches)

Options
Magnetic Shielding
Activation with Bryston PowerPacTM 120 or 250
Matching OB1 centre channel
Matching TLE1 Active subwoofer

Some get a 5 star rating from What-Hi Fi , others get a "Best
Buy" from Hi-Fi Choice, which tells us one something, unfortunatly
it's not about your speakers in cardboard box's but just how much
they spent on advertising.

Maybe you should check out the PMC website ( www.pmc-speakers.com ) and
not the retailer website (but I am not sure if you understand the
difference between a manufacturer and a retailer). Don't forget to look at
their list of key customers (
http://www.pmc-speakers.com/keyclients/index.php ), which includes many of
the top recording studios in the world. PMC does not spend much on
advertising, so whatever accolades they received, they earned.

And there's nothing wrong with my level of comprehension, "Petal" I
just read what's printed, and as far as your speakers are
concerned, that's very little. But if you want a slanging match,
just say so, And I'll accommodate you. I really like, exposing
"septic's" for just what they are. A large dense object, full of
****.

bassett

The only thing you are exposing is that you are illiterate, and know
nothing about high-end speakers.
..For someone so highly informed as you profess to be, I still can't
get it round my head that you would shell out Dollars on Speakers
you haven't heard much less auditioned in your home environment

As for knowing about hi-end, the stuff your looking at is hardly
high end, it might rate as entry level, but even that's doubtful,
Some of the Krell models shown on there web site ARE high end, But
lets start talking Wilson, Gyphon, B & W 800 series, etc As for
Drivers, or modified drivers Scan Speak, Sea's or Jas-Audio.
Frankly I can't build for 4 grand, that would not cover the hardware
costs.

[Eeyore]

bassett wrote:

"Mark A" wrote
"bassett" wrote

frankly, you would be mad to shell out any cash on Speakers, or
any Hi Fi gear, that you haven't heard, tested, or played in your
own home, with your own gear.

If you want to buy unheard speakers, check out the White van in the
local car park, and buy from him.

As for the PCM speakers, they may be very good, they may also be
lousy

They are PMC, not PCM. I have heard them, and they outstanding, as anyone
who knows about speakers would have known.

Outstanding compaired to " what "

You've obviously never heard any.

They are simply outstanding without reference to any comparison.

Graham

[dizzy]

bassett wrote:

So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.

Try "you're", moron.

[bassett[_2_]]

"dizzy" wrote in message
...
bassett wrote:

So your going to shell out who know's how much money on Speakers
your buying of the internet, then wait for the courier to arrive,
with a couple of cardboard boxs . and Your calling ME stupid.

Try "you're", moron.


We write English the correct way, we don't corrupt it the way you
septic's do.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mark A" wrote in message
news
Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?

Who are they?

Do they have an address that you could give to say, your state's attorney
general?

I can't find that on their web site.

I checked their domain name registration, and came up with a PO box in
California. But that may not be where the company is.

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC
speakers) but I am hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an
internet company that I never heard of.

Their web site looks to me like it is pretty immature. The domain was
registered in feb 2007.

A little searching around suggests that their storefront software is
http://mycommerce.tv/concept/ .

Virtually every search engine hit I can find for it points to parked web
sites, not real information about the business.

I wouldn't start right out spending the big bucks with them. I might buy a
mid-priced CD player from them right off, but not a Krell.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 07:08, "Arny Krueger" wrote:


Their web site looks to me like it is pretty immature. The domain was
registered in feb 2007.



"At least" it is a lot more sophisticated than www.pcabx.com
LOL!!!

[Eeyore]

Mark A wrote:

Anyone bought from http://www.hifioverstock.biz ?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

The idea that anyone overstocked on PMC loudspeakers is laughable.

Graham

[bob]

On Dec 2, 1:02 am, "Mark A" wrote:
Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
by reputation, call the number first.

bob

[Eeyore]

bob wrote:

"Mark A" wrote:
Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
by reputation, call the number first.

The site is also hiding its details using the possibly illegal tactic of using a
*private* registration. At least in the UK businesses may absolutely NOT do
this.

A word to the FTC might be in order.

Graham


Domain Name: HIFIOVERSTOCK.BIZ
Domain ID: D16343695-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 13
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: C117089309780581
Registrant Name: Steve Myers
Registrant Organization: Private Registration US
Registrant Address1: P O Box 99800
Registrant City: EmeryVille
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 94662
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Registrant Email:
Administrative Contact ID: A117089311130619
Administrative Contact Name: Admin PrivateRegContact
Administrative Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Administrative Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Administrative Contact City: EmeryVille
Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94662
Administrative Contact Country: United States
Administrative Contact Country Code: US
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Administrative Contact Email:
Billing Contact ID: A117089311130621
Billing Contact Name: Bill PrivateRegContact
Billing Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Billing Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Billing Contact City: EmeryVille
Billing Contact State/Province: CA
Billing Contact Postal Code: 94662
Billing Contact Country: United States
Billing Contact Country Code: US
Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Billing Contact Email:
Technical Contact ID: C117089309780579
Technical Contact Name: TECH PrivateRegContact
Technical Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Technical Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Technical Contact City: EmeryVille
Technical Contact State/Province: CA
Technical Contact Postal Code: 94662
Technical Contact Country: United States
Technical Contact Country Code: US
Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Technical Contact Email:
Name Server: NS1.HC.RU
Name Server: NS2.HC.RU
Created by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Last Updated by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Domain Registration Date: Thu Feb 08 00:05:46 GMT 2007
Domain Expiration Date: Thu Feb 07 23:59:59 GMT 2008
Domain Last Updated Date: Sat Apr 21 19:38:57 GMT 2007

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 11:32, Eeyore
wrote:
bob wrote:
"Mark A" wrote:
Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
by reputation, call the number first.

The site is also hiding its details using the possibly illegal tactic of using a
*private* registration. At least in the UK businesses may absolutely NOT do
this.

A word to the FTC might be in order.

Graham

Domain Name: HIFIOVERSTOCK.BIZ
Domain ID: D16343695-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 13
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: C117089309780581
Registrant Name: Steve Myers
Registrant Organization: Private Registration US
Registrant Address1: P O Box 99800
Registrant City: EmeryVille
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 94662
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Registrant Email:
Administrative Contact ID: A117089311130619
Administrative Contact Name: Admin PrivateRegContact
Administrative Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Administrative Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Administrative Contact City: EmeryVille
Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94662
Administrative Contact Country: United States
Administrative Contact Country Code: US
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Administrative Contact Email:
Billing Contact ID: A117089311130621
Billing Contact Name: Bill PrivateRegContact
Billing Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Billing Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Billing Contact City: EmeryVille
Billing Contact State/Province: CA
Billing Contact Postal Code: 94662
Billing Contact Country: United States
Billing Contact Country Code: US
Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Billing Contact Email:
Technical Contact ID: C117089309780579
Technical Contact Name: TECH PrivateRegContact
Technical Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Technical Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Technical Contact City: EmeryVille
Technical Contact State/Province: CA
Technical Contact Postal Code: 94662
Technical Contact Country: United States
Technical Contact Country Code: US
Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Technical Contact Email:
Name Server: NS1.HC.RU
Name Server: NS2.HC.RU
Created by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Last Updated by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Domain Registration Date: Thu Feb 08 00:05:46 GMT 2007
Domain Expiration Date: Thu Feb 07 23:59:59 GMT 2008
Domain Last Updated Date: Sat Apr 21 19:38:57 GMT 2007

BWIAN !!
where are you?

[Eeyore]

Clyde Slick wrote:

On 2 Dec, 11:32, Eeyore
wrote:
bob wrote:
"Mark A" wrote:
Anyone bought fromhttp://www.hifioverstock.biz?

Some of their stuff is fairly high quality (such as PMC speakers) but I am
hesitating to plunk down $4,500 to an internet company that I never heard
of.

Never buy from an Internet store that doesn't list an address and a
phone number on its Web site. And if you don't know the store at least
by reputation, call the number first.

The site is also hiding its details using the possibly illegal tactic of using a
*private* registration. At least in the UK businesses may absolutely NOT do
this.

A word to the FTC might be in order.

Graham

Domain Name: HIFIOVERSTOCK.BIZ
Domain ID: D16343695-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 13
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: C117089309780581
Registrant Name: Steve Myers
Registrant Organization: Private Registration US
Registrant Address1: P O Box 99800
Registrant City: EmeryVille
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 94662
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Registrant Email:
Administrative Contact ID: A117089311130619
Administrative Contact Name: Admin PrivateRegContact
Administrative Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Administrative Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Administrative Contact City: EmeryVille
Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94662
Administrative Contact Country: United States
Administrative Contact Country Code: US
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Administrative Contact Email:
Billing Contact ID: A117089311130621
Billing Contact Name: Bill PrivateRegContact
Billing Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Billing Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Billing Contact City: EmeryVille
Billing Contact State/Province: CA
Billing Contact Postal Code: 94662
Billing Contact Country: United States
Billing Contact Country Code: US
Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Billing Contact Email:
Technical Contact ID: C117089309780579
Technical Contact Name: TECH PrivateRegContact
Technical Contact Organization: Private Reg US
Technical Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
Technical Contact City: EmeryVille
Technical Contact State/Province: CA
Technical Contact Postal Code: 94662
Technical Contact Country: United States
Technical Contact Country Code: US
Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
Technical Contact Email:
Name Server: NS1.HC.RU
Name Server: NS2.HC.RU
Created by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Last Updated by Registrar: MELBOURNE IT LTD
Domain Registration Date: Thu Feb 08 00:05:46 GMT 2007
Domain Expiration Date: Thu Feb 07 23:59:59 GMT 2008
Domain Last Updated Date: Sat Apr 21 19:38:57 GMT 2007

BWIAN !!
where are you?

WTF are you on about ?

Graham


Also see regarding the 'registrar' ...........
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...fm/667942.html


no need to go and visit this site, as it does not exist (well, there is no actual
website). However, if you google search it www.google.com.au/search...r=&start=30&sa=N
you will find plenty of info on it.

So, here is the story/question.

I suspect I am about to get scammed by the owners of this domain. As I am not 100%
sure, I will keep the specifics (names, other domains etc) generalised, as in the
event it is not a scam, I would hate to falsely accuse...

I have an online services business. The service we offer is very, very specialised,
and it is something that would only make sense to a small number of people, ie. it
would be like talking the specifics of brain surgery to Joe next door....

So, a few months ago, we get a new client, based in North America. We did a couple
jobs for him. He continued sending through the work, with promise of a lot more.

Being a small company, we were obviously excited. He was the type of customer we had
been looking for. I would not quite say he was too good to be true, because we know
that their are quite a few companies, like his, that could benefit from our service
and send us that volume of work.

He is quite a demanding customer, but we are happy to oblige to keep him happy. Also,
he knows his stuff. He can talk the talk, and knows all the right questions to ask
(remember, this is a very specialised field).

But, things just seem not quite right. Example:

1. We only have a phone number, and email for him (on its own, is not a big issue, as
we have a few customers like this)
2. The work we were doing for him seemed just a little strange. That is, it is work
that you wouldn't normally need our service for, BUT, you COULD use it if you really
wanted to.
3. Right after promising us more work the next day, he has been uncontactable for the
last week or so.
4. He is overdue a couple weeks with payment (which again, on its own is not a show
stopper, as in this industry, that is quite normal).

All together, things seemed a little bit odd.

So, I did a WHOIS on him domain name (incidentally, there is not actual website set
up). What I found, that it was registered through Melbourne It, and the contact email
address was

So, as per the start of this post, I Googled that domain name, and it came back with
pages and pages of other websites that have been seemingly registered to the same
person (as all the contact email addresses are the same).... basically, all the Google
information would suggest that these are all sites set up to Fraud you....

So...

my question:

1. Should I also assume that my customer (whos website seems to be linked to all these
other dodgy sites) is a fraud?
2. How is he planning to actually fraud us (as so far, all we have lost is out time.
It is not really the kind of service you would want to steal as such)
3. Has anyone else had experience with myprivateregistration.com?

If he is a Fraud, then man alive... he has either gone to amazing lengths to do it (as
he is too knowledgeable in this field), or he just happens to work in the industry.

Or, perhaps, he is legit......?