Turntables and computers

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Does anybody have any idea how I can connect a turntable to my
computer and get some music onto the computer from vinyl records?

Thanks for any ideas or help.

Wayne

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

> wrote in message
...
> Does anybody have any idea how I can connect a turntable to my
> computer and get some music onto the computer from vinyl records?

**If your turntable doesn't have a phono preamp built in (some modern ones
do, some don't), then connect the TT to an amplifier, which has a phono
preamp (some do, some don't). Then connect the tape out to your computer
sound card and you're away.

Trevor Wilson

[Bill Riel]

In article >,
says...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Does anybody have any idea how I can connect a turntable to my
> > computer and get some music onto the computer from vinyl records?
>
> **If your turntable doesn't have a phono preamp built in (some modern ones
> do, some don't), then connect the TT to an amplifier, which has a phono
> preamp (some do, some don't). Then connect the tape out to your computer
> sound card and you're away.

To add to that - if you are using a notebook for capture, you probably
will need to get another sound card (there are several affordable USB
devices that work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a line-in:
most only have a microphone jack which is mono only.

Generally this is not a problem with desktop computer sound cards.

--
Bill

[Jenn]

In article >,
Bill Riel > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does anybody have any idea how I can connect a turntable to my
> > > computer and get some music onto the computer from vinyl records?
> >
> > **If your turntable doesn't have a phono preamp built in (some modern ones
> > do, some don't), then connect the TT to an amplifier, which has a phono
> > preamp (some do, some don't). Then connect the tape out to your computer
> > sound card and you're away.
>
> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for capture, you probably
> will need to get another sound card (there are several affordable USB
> devices that work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a line-in:

Macs do <eg>

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > Very few notebook sound cards have a line-in:

> Macs do <eg>

Thnak's Jennn for, admiotong Jennnn that your clueless-about the
modern-corperate world Jnne.

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > Very few notebook sound cards have a line-in:
>
> > Macs do <eg>
>
> Thnak's Jennn for, admiotong Jennnn that your clueless-about the
> modern-corperate world Jnne.

LoT"s

[Bill Riel]

I wrote:

> > To add to that - if you are using a notebook for capture, you probably
> > will need to get another sound card (there are several affordable USB
> > devices that work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a line-in:

Jenn replied with:
>
> Macs do <eg>

Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very nice machine. I do
like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing this on an old iMac that we've had for
years) but most of my professional life requires the use of Windows.

I haven't used the Mac for any audio capture, but I have used a Toshiba
notebook to record some vinyl. For that, I have to use a USB audio
device because the sound card only accepts a mono input.

But it works well, and I've got some pretty simple software on the
Toshiba that I like for doing the capture/CD burning and possible
cleanup of the captured files, though I often find I don't clean them
much.

--
Bill

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill Riel" > wrote in message

> I wrote:
>
>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
>>> capture, you probably will need to get another sound
>>> card (there are several affordable USB devices that
>>> work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a
>>> line-in:
>
> Jenn replied with:
>>
>> Macs do <eg>
>
> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very nice
> machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing this on
> an old iMac that we've had for years) but most of my
> professional life requires the use of Windows.

My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3 times what a similar
Windows laptop would have cost her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh
extended warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to send the whole
notebook out of town to be checked out. The repair facility said - hey
there's a tiny dent in corner of the case, the machine is therefore abused
and we won't honor the warranty.

I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!

> I haven't used the Mac for any audio capture, but I have
> used a Toshiba notebook to record some vinyl. For that, I
> have to use a USB audio device because the sound card
> only accepts a mono input.

Not only does the laptop input only accept mono, it also has too much gain
because it is a microphone input.

The good news is that USB audio devices that equal or better any laptops
line input are readily available and relatively inexpensive. One to avoid
is called the iMic. One to look for is the Behringer UCA 202.

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--BEHUCA202

Probably on the shelf at your local Guitar Center.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
>
> > I wrote:
> >
> >>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
> >>> capture, you probably will need to get another sound
> >>> card (there are several affordable USB devices that
> >>> work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a
> >>> line-in:
> >
> > Jenn replied with:
> >>
> >> Macs do <eg>
> >
> > Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very nice
> > machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing this on
> > an old iMac that we've had for years) but most of my
> > professional life requires the use of Windows.
>
> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3 times what a similar
> Windows laptop would have cost her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh
> extended warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to send the whole
> notebook out of town to be checked out. The repair facility said - hey
> there's a tiny dent in corner of the case, the machine is therefore abused
> and we won't honor the warranty.
>
> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!

Well, that settles that!

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
>>>>> capture, you probably will need to get another sound
>>>>> card (there are several affordable USB devices that
>>>>> work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a
>>>>> line-in:
>>>
>>> Jenn replied with:
>>>>
>>>> Macs do <eg>
>>>
>>> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very nice
>>> machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing this on
>>> an old iMac that we've had for years) but most of my
>>> professional life requires the use of Windows.
>>
>> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3
>> times what a similar Windows laptop would have cost her.
>> She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh extended warranty.
>> When she had a problem with it, she had to send the
>> whole notebook out of town to be checked out. The repair
>> facility said - hey there's a tiny dent in corner of the
>> case, the machine is therefore abused and we won't honor
>> the warranty.
>>
>> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!
>
> Well, that settles that!

Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art Sack-o-crapman down so
well. Will the Middiot promote you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate
along with with him?

[Clyde Slick]

On 30 Noi, 07:49, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in


>
> > Well, that settles that!
>
> Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art Sack-o-crapman down so
> well. Will the Middiot promote you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate
> along with with him?

"Well, that settles that!"
very toxic words those are, "At least" as
toxic as "been there, done that" or
"pot, meet kettle"

so, I'll tone down the rhetoric a bit and
just say that your toilet needs a good
scrubbing.

[George M. Middius]

It's Krooglish time!

> fuliminate

fuliminate (v.i.): to defecate; to evacuate; (coll.) to shop for dinner
[etym: cf /feces/ and /eliminate/]


Too bad you messed up that reference to Stereophile, Arnii. You almost
had a perfect "debating trade" month notched. ;-)

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> I wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
> >>>>> capture, you probably will need to get another sound
> >>>>> card (there are several affordable USB devices that
> >>>>> work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a
> >>>>> line-in:
> >>>
> >>> Jenn replied with:
> >>>>
> >>>> Macs do <eg>
> >>>
> >>> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very nice
> >>> machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing this on
> >>> an old iMac that we've had for years) but most of my
> >>> professional life requires the use of Windows.
> >>
> >> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3
> >> times what a similar Windows laptop would have cost her.
> >> She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh extended warranty.
> >> When she had a problem with it, she had to send the
> >> whole notebook out of town to be checked out. The repair
> >> facility said - hey there's a tiny dent in corner of the
> >> case, the machine is therefore abused and we won't honor
> >> the warranty.
> >>
> >> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!
> >
> > Well, that settles that!
>
> Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art Sack-o-crapman down so
> well. Will the Middiot promote you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate
> along with with him?

Well Army, the advanced reader will discern that I'm mocking your
attempt to turn a specific into a general.

[Marty Troum]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:36:05 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>Does anybody have any idea how I can connect a turntable to my
>computer and get some music onto the computer from vinyl records?
>
>Thanks for any ideas or help.
>
>Wayne


Try this
http://www.adstech.com/products/RDX-150/intro/RDX-150_intro1.asp?pid=RDX-150
I've converted a large portion of my record collection using this
device.
Marty T.

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > fuliminate

> Well Army, the advanced reader will discern that I'm mocking your
> attempt to turn a specific into a general.

"Mocking" does not compute. Please rephrase using known vocabulary
units. My Handy-Dandy Port-a-Kroo Translation Device™ suggests the
following vocab units as replacements:

measuring
quantifying
debating
fuliminating

Thank you in advance for pre-digesting your complex human-type thoughts
into 'borg-accessible pablum.

[Bill Riel]

In article >,
says...

> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3 times what a similar
> Windows laptop would have cost her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh
> extended warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to send the whole
> notebook out of town to be checked out. The repair facility said - hey
> there's a tiny dent in corner of the case, the machine is therefore abused
> and we won't honor the warranty.

Very sorry to hear that - our experience over the years has been quite a
bit more positive with Apple products. Certainly they've been easily as
reliable as any of the other PC products I've owned, and usually have
been better built.

Though in all honesty I haven't had any warranty work done in a very
long time. Oh, wait, that's not entirely true. There was some issue with
my wife's Macbook that was a warranty item, but I think it was more of a
recall to replace something.

It was handled locally, quickly and quite professionally.

> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!

I don't blame her at all if that was her experience.

--
Bill

[Bill Riel]

In article >,
says...

> Try this
> http://www.adstech.com/products/RDX-150/intro/RDX-150_intro1.asp?pid=RDX-150
> I've converted a large portion of my record collection using this
> device.

What a coincidence: that's the same device that I use for capture. It
works well, and is quite cheap. I didn't care very much for the capture
software it came with though (I think it's Nero), but there are lots of
choices there.

--
Bill

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
>>>>>>> capture, you probably will need to get another sound
>>>>>>> card (there are several affordable USB devices that
>>>>>>> work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a
>>>>>>> line-in:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenn replied with:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Macs do <eg>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very
>>>>> nice machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing
>>>>> this on an old iMac that we've had for years) but
>>>>> most of my professional life requires the use of
>>>>> Windows.
>>>>
>>>> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3
>>>> times what a similar Windows laptop would have cost
>>>> her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh extended
>>>> warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to
>>>> send the whole notebook out of town to be checked out.
>>>> The repair facility said - hey there's a tiny dent in
>>>> corner of the case, the machine is therefore abused
>>>> and we won't honor the warranty.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!
>>>
>>> Well, that settles that!
>>
>> Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art
>> Sack-o-crapman down so well. Will the Middiot promote
>> you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate along with
>> with him?
>
> Well Army, the advanced reader will discern that I'm
> mocking your attempt to turn a specific into a general.

The even more advanced reader will discern that is what all the Middiot's
posse do.

[John Stone]

On 11/29/07 9:03 PM, in article
, "Arny Krueger"
> wrote:

> Not only does the laptop input only accept mono, it also has too much gain
> because it is a microphone input.

I've got a MacBook Pro and the input is either stereo line level or optical.

[[email protected]]

On Nov 30, 12:57 pm, John Stone > wrote:
> On 11/29/07 9:03 PM, in article
> , "Arny Krueger"
>
> > wrote:
> > Not only does the laptop input only accept mono, it also has too much gain
> > because it is a microphone input.
>
> I've got a MacBook Pro and the input is either stereo line level or optical.

Ok, now I'm just getting confused. Do I go with Instant Music, iMic,
or one of the other devices that's been talked about here?

Wayne

[Bill Riel]

In article <b16337ee-ef63-4ca8-a7a7-
>,
says...

> Ok, now I'm just getting confused. Do I go with Instant Music, iMic,
> or one of the other devices that's been talked about here?

I don't know what hardware you've got - if you would be so kind as to
list what computer you were planning on using, whether or not you've got
a turntable and so on it would be much easier to give advice.

--
Bill

[[email protected]]

On Nov 30, 6:32 pm, Bill Riel > wrote:
> In article <b16337ee-ef63-4ca8-a7a7-
> >,
> says...
>
> > Ok, now I'm just getting confused. Do I go with Instant Music, iMic,
> > or one of the other devices that's been talked about here?
>
> I don't know what hardware you've got - if you would be so kind as to
> list what computer you were planning on using, whether or not you've got
> a turntable and so on it would be much easier to give advice.
>
> --
> Bill

Ok. I have a Dell PC and a tecnics turntable.

[Bill Riel]

In article <3396116f-257b-40a7-819b-9e5732c5fa80
@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, says...

> Ok. I have a Dell PC and a tecnics turntable.

Sounds good - do you have a receiver with a phono input? If so, you
shouldn't need any additional hardware (other than appropriate cabling).
You should be able to play your records on the turntable and run a cable
from your tape out into the sound card on your Dell.

You may want to get some software that helps with the capture/cleanup of
the records. There are a number of options out there, some of them free.

One shareware product that is pretty easy to use is called Spin It
Again:
<http://www.acoustica.com/spinitagain/>

It's not the most spophisticated software available for this purpose,
but it's very easy and the simplicity appeals to me.

Good luck!

--
Bill

[[email protected]]

On Nov 30, 6:51 pm, Bill Riel > wrote:
> In article <3396116f-257b-40a7-819b-9e5732c5fa80
> @s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> > Ok. I have a Dell PC and a tecnics turntable.
>
> Sounds good - do you have a receiver with a phono input? If so, you
> shouldn't need any additional hardware (other than appropriate cabling).
> You should be able to play your records on the turntable and run a cable
> from your tape out into the sound card on your Dell.
>
> You may want to get some software that helps with the capture/cleanup of
> the records. There are a number of options out there, some of them free.
>
> One shareware product that is pretty easy to use is called Spin It
> Again:
> <http://www.acoustica.com/spinitagain/>
>
> It's not the most spophisticated software available for this purpose,
> but it's very easy and the simplicity appeals to me.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
> Bill

You are very helpful! Yes, I do have a receiver with a phono input.
that's what it's connected to now. So, I need to cable from the back
of the receiver to the computer. Into the microphone jack? But I
will have to have software to capture the songs, right? I'm such a
novice at this.

[Bill Riel]

In article <1bd9776b-463f-4a57-81d7-ed50025e5a35
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, says...

> You are very helpful! Yes, I do have a receiver with a phono input.
> that's what it's connected to now. So, I need to cable from the back
> of the receiver to the computer. Into the microphone jack?

No - you should plug it into the line input on the sound card, not the
microphone jack.

> But I
> will have to have software to capture the songs, right? I'm such a
> novice at this.

I think you might be a good candidate for the software that I mentioned
above: http://www.acoustica.com/spinitagain/

The software has detailed instructions on hooking things up to your
computer and how to proceed with the recording. You can use the software
on a trial basis for 3 albums, after which you the software will cease
to work unless you buy it.

However, give it a try - I think you'll find that going through a couple
of albums will help you understand the process, after which you can
either buy the software or move on to something else.

The only thing that this software doesn't get quite right for me is the
song breaks on the albums. It's easy to go through after you've recorded
and set them correctly though, but it took me a couple of tries to
realize what was going on and to fix it.

--
Bill

[[email protected]]

On Nov 30, 8:26 pm, Bill Riel > wrote:
> In article <1bd9776b-463f-4a57-81d7-ed50025e5a35
> @y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> > You are very helpful! Yes, I do have a receiver with a phono input.
> > that's what it's connected to now. So, I need to cable from the back
> > of the receiver to the computer. Into the microphone jack?
>
> No - you should plug it into the line input on the sound card, not the
> microphone jack.
>
> > But I
> > will have to have software to capture the songs, right? I'm such a
> > novice at this.
>
> I think you might be a good candidate for the software that I mentioned
> above:http://www.acoustica.com/spinitagain/
>
> The software has detailed instructions on hooking things up to your
> computer and how to proceed with the recording. You can use the software
> on a trial basis for 3 albums, after which you the software will cease
> to work unless you buy it.
>
> However, give it a try - I think you'll find that going through a couple
> of albums will help you understand the process, after which you can
> either buy the software or move on to something else.
>
> The only thing that this software doesn't get quite right for me is the
> song breaks on the albums. It's easy to go through after you've recorded
> and set them correctly though, but it took me a couple of tries to
> realize what was going on and to fix it.
>
> --
> Bill

Thank you very much! I will give all this a try and see what happens.

Wayne

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
>> In article >,
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>>> message
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> >, "Arny
>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
>>>>>>>> capture, you probably will need to get another sound
>>>>>>>> card (there are several affordable USB devices that
>>>>>>>> work well). Very few notebook sound cards have a
>>>>>>>> line-in:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenn replied with:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Macs do <eg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very
>>>>>> nice machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing
>>>>>> this on an old iMac that we've had for years) but
>>>>>> most of my professional life requires the use of
>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3
>>>>> times what a similar Windows laptop would have cost
>>>>> her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh extended
>>>>> warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to
>>>>> send the whole notebook out of town to be checked out.
>>>>> The repair facility said - hey there's a tiny dent in
>>>>> corner of the case, the machine is therefore abused
>>>>> and we won't honor the warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!
>>>>
>>>> Well, that settles that!
>>>
>>> Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art
>>> Sack-o-crapman down so well. Will the Middiot promote
>>> you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate along with
>>> with him?
>>
>> Well Army, the advanced reader will discern that I'm
>> mocking your attempt to turn a specific into a general.
>
> The even more advanced reader will discern that is what all the Middiot's
> posse do.

However, those who know something about logic recognize logical error when
they see it Arny:

* Jenn mocked you
* George always mocks you

therefore

* Jenn and George are partners

Back to your workbench, Arny.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
>>>>>>>>> capture, you probably will need to get another
>>>>>>>>> sound card (there are several affordable USB
>>>>>>>>> devices that work well). Very few notebook sound
>>>>>>>>> cards have a line-in:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenn replied with:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Macs do <eg>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very
>>>>>>> nice machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing
>>>>>>> this on an old iMac that we've had for years) but
>>>>>>> most of my professional life requires the use of
>>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3
>>>>>> times what a similar Windows laptop would have cost
>>>>>> her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh extended
>>>>>> warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to
>>>>>> send the whole notebook out of town to be checked
>>>>>> out. The repair facility said - hey there's a tiny
>>>>>> dent in corner of the case, the machine is therefore
>>>>>> abused and we won't honor the warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that settles that!
>>>>
>>>> Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art
>>>> Sack-o-crapman down so well. Will the Middiot promote
>>>> you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate along with
>>>> with him?
>>>
>>> Well Army, the advanced reader will discern that I'm
>>> mocking your attempt to turn a specific into a general.
>>
>> The even more advanced reader will discern that is what
>> all the Middiot's posse do.
>
> However, those who know something about logic recognize
> logical error when they see it Arny:
>
> * Jenn mocked you
> * George always mocks you
>
> therefore
>
> * Jenn and George are partners

Wrong. They are closer than that.

It looks like the JGH thing really has ticked off the monster ego that
animates the Middiot.

[George M. Middius]

MiNe 109 said to The Big ****:

> It's not the ego you should worry about, it's the monsters from the id.

Arnii's id was amputated during his affeciation process. The Beast as we
know him today relies heavily on his <ahem> superego.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >> message
> >> .
> >> com
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>>
> >>>> y.net
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >, "Arny
> >>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
> >>>>>>>>> capture, you probably will need to get another
> >>>>>>>>> sound card (there are several affordable USB
> >>>>>>>>> devices that work well). Very few notebook sound
> >>>>>>>>> cards have a line-in:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jenn replied with:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Macs do <eg>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very
> >>>>>>> nice machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing
> >>>>>>> this on an old iMac that we've had for years) but
> >>>>>>> most of my professional life requires the use of
> >>>>>>> Windows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3
> >>>>>> times what a similar Windows laptop would have cost
> >>>>>> her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh extended
> >>>>>> warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to
> >>>>>> send the whole notebook out of town to be checked
> >>>>>> out. The repair facility said - hey there's a tiny
> >>>>>> dent in corner of the case, the machine is therefore
> >>>>>> abused and we won't honor the warranty.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, that settles that!
> >>>>
> >>>> Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art
> >>>> Sack-o-crapman down so well. Will the Middiot promote
> >>>> you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate along with
> >>>> with him?
> >>>
> >>> Well Army, the advanced reader will discern that I'm
> >>> mocking your attempt to turn a specific into a general.
> >>
> >> The even more advanced reader will discern that is what
> >> all the Middiot's posse do.
> >
> > However, those who know something about logic recognize
> > logical error when they see it Arny:
> >
> > * Jenn mocked you
> > * George always mocks you
> >
> > therefore
> >
> > * Jenn and George are partners
>
> Wrong. They are closer than that.

Wow. Who knew?

Too much eggnog, Arny. (or not enough)

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >> > . ..
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >>
> >> >> gy.
> >> >> com
> >> >>> In article
> >> >>> >, "Arny
> >> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >> >>>> message
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> dig
> >> >>>> y.net
> >> >>>>> In article
> >> >>>>> >, "Arny
> >> >>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> To add to that - if you are using a notebook for
> >> >>>>>>>>> capture, you probably will need to get another
> >> >>>>>>>>> sound card (there are several affordable USB
> >> >>>>>>>>> devices that work well). Very few notebook sound
> >> >>>>>>>>> cards have a line-in:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Jenn replied with:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Macs do <eg>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Yes they do - my wife has a Mac Book that is a very
> >> >>>>>>> nice machine. I do like Macs quite a bit (I'm typing
> >> >>>>>>> this on an old iMac that we've had for years) but
> >> >>>>>>> most of my professional life requires the use of
> >> >>>>>>> Windows.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> My daughter has a Mac Notebook. It cost her about 3
> >> >>>>>> times what a similar Windows laptop would have cost
> >> >>>>>> her. She paid $100s more for a MacIntosh extended
> >> >>>>>> warranty. When she had a problem with it, she had to
> >> >>>>>> send the whole notebook out of town to be checked
> >> >>>>>> out. The repair facility said - hey there's a tiny
> >> >>>>>> dent in corner of the case, the machine is therefore
> >> >>>>>> abused and we won't honor the warranty.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I don't think she's buying another Mac real soon!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Well, that settles that!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Gee Jen, you're getting your role as the female Art
> >> >>>> Sack-o-crapman down so well. Will the Middiot promote
> >> >>>> you to be his arch-idiot, and fuliminate along with
> >> >>>> with him?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Well Army, the advanced reader will discern that I'm
> >> >>> mocking your attempt to turn a specific into a general.
> >> >>
> >> >> The even more advanced reader will discern that is what
> >> >> all the Middiot's posse do.
> >> >
> >> > However, those who know something about logic recognize
> >> > logical error when they see it Arny:
> >> >
> >> > * Jenn mocked you
> >> > * George always mocks you
> >> >
> >> > therefore
> >> >
> >> > * Jenn and George are partners
> >>
> >> Wrong. They are closer than that.
> >
> > Wow. Who knew?
> >
> > Too much eggnog, Arny. (or not enough)
>
> What you don't really see is that you have become
> Arny's anime.
> RAO is Rec.Arny.Opinion
> Arny is insane, Arny is a hypocrite, Arny is this, Arny is that.
> Without Arny pulling your string you got nothing.
> I don't bother with this cesspool for a few weeks and in catching up
> what do I find?
> Aside from a classical music post and another know nothings
> quest for guidance....RAO is all about Arny.
> He wants it that way and you let him have it.
> Who is the bigger fool?
> The fool or those played by a fool.
>
> ScottW

So I take it that you're done with Shhhh then?

[George M. Middius]

And now for something completely idiotic.

> Without Arny pulling your string you got nothing.

Scooter, every time you rev your "motor", you generate a surprise. Keep
up the weird work.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message

> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> And now for something completely idiotic.
>
> That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.

I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and thinking that they are so
arrogant that they think what they do does anything but make them look
completely stupid.

Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
to do.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > * Jenn and George are partners
> >> >>
> >> >> Wrong. They are closer than that.
> >> >
> >> > Wow. Who knew?
> >> >
> >> > Too much eggnog, Arny. (or not enough)
> >>
> >> What you don't really see is that you have become
> >> Arny's anime.
> >> RAO is Rec.Arny.Opinion
> >> Arny is insane, Arny is a hypocrite, Arny is this, Arny is that.
> >> Without Arny pulling your string you got nothing.
> >> I don't bother with this cesspool for a few weeks and in catching up
> >> what do I find?
> >> Aside from a classical music post and another know nothings
> >> quest for guidance....RAO is all about Arny.
> >> He wants it that way and you let him have it.
> >> Who is the bigger fool?
> >> The fool or those played by a fool.
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > So I take it that you're done with Shhhh then?
>
> You're so clueless. Ssshhhh is an ass, but he doesn't
> suffer the same illness you feed in Arny.

How has Shhh's posting rate changed since you've been away?

Please, teach us more "lessons"...

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
> > "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> And now for something completely idiotic.
> >
> > That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
>
> I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and thinking that they are so
> arrogant that they think what they do does anything but make them look
> completely stupid.
>
> Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
> that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
> to do.

THey are probably just trying to keep your career going.

[George M. Middius]

The Idiot yapped:

> No us...just you. George, Art, Stephen all know what Arny is.

We also know what you are.

> It's all fun and games to them.

Speaking for myself, if I had some anti-Scottie disinfectant, I'd use
it.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 3:51 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
> that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
> to do.

IOW, you're nothing more than an insane troll.

It's nice to see you admit that you don't believe what you post.

Who said the insane could not make progress? Neither do any of the
sane!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 4:47 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Anyway, I'm sure Ssssshhhh will find it quite amusing that you
> don't see the difference between him and Arny.

Actually, I'm just gobstoppered that you entirely missed Jenn's point.

What a surprise.

[George M. Middius]

IKYABWAIBorg Jr. whined:

> > The Idiot yapped:

> >> No us...just you. George, Art, Stephen all know what Arny is.

> > We also know what you are.

> Thanks for admitting the truth of my words.

Sorry to disappoint, but I have no idea what the point of your rant was
supposed to be. Assuming you had a point, that is.

As far as knowing what the Krooborg is, do you actually believe any of
us was trying to hide that knowledge? You were the last RAO regular to
"admit" Krooger is crazy, so logically, it's you who should "admit" to
the truth of your own screed.

> >> It's all fun and games to them.

> > Speaking for myself, if I had some anti-Scottie disinfectant, I'd use it.

> Sure...but if you had some anti-Arny spray...you wouldn't use it.

There you go again, arguing with yourself inside your own head. I think
maybe your "motor" is revving too fast. You should have your interior
world checked for excessive carbon monoxide.

> You need him to play your favorite game.

Speaking of unintelligible babbling, have you learned to say "duh!" in
espanol?

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
>>> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And now for something completely idiotic.
>>>
>>> That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
>>
>> I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and
>> thinking that they are so arrogant that they think what
>> they do does anything but make them look completely
>> stupid.
>>
>> Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw
>> them a little meat so that they can keep on humiliating
>> themselves. It seems to be what they want to do.
>
> THey are probably just trying to keep your career going.

You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for this?

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Dec, 16:26, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > In article >,
>
> >> >> > * Jenn and George are partners
>
> >> >> Wrong. They are closer than that.
>
> >> > Wow. Who knew?
>
> >> > Too much eggnog, Arny. (or not enough)
>
> >> What you don't really see is that you have become
> >> Arny's anime.
> >> RAO is Rec.Arny.Opinion
> >> Arny is insane, Arny is a hypocrite, Arny is this, Arny is that.
> >> Without Arny pulling your string you got nothing.
> >> I don't bother with this cesspool for a few weeks and in catching up
> >> what do I find?
> >> Aside from a classical music post and another know nothings
> >> quest for guidance....RAO is all about Arny.
> >> He wants it that way and you let him have it.
> >> Who is the bigger fool?
> >> The fool or those played by a fool.
>
> >> ScottW
>
> > So I take it that you're done with Shhhh then?
>
> You're so clueless. Ssshhhh is an ass, but he doesn't
> suffer the same illness you feed in Arny.
>

arny requires no feeding from us, he eats
don't blame the rest of us for the arny phenomenum.
we are as little to blame for arny as you are for feeding shhh..

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Dec, 16:51, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> And now for something completely idiotic.
>
> > That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
>
> I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and thinking that they are so
> arrogant that they think what they do does anything but make them look
> completely stupid.
>
> Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
> that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
> to do.

you utterly lack any self awareness at all.
Nobody here has an ounce of respect for you as a worthwhile human
being
Name five who do.
Name one!

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Dec, 16:56, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
> > > "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> > >> And now for something completely idiotic.
>
> > > That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
>
> > I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and thinking that they are so
> > arrogant that they think what they do does anything but make them look
> > completely stupid.
>
> > Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
> > that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
> > to do.
>
> THey are probably just trying to keep your career going.

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Dec, 16:56, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
> > > "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> > >> And now for something completely idiotic.
>
> > > That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
>
> > I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and thinking that they are so
> > arrogant that they think what they do does anything but make them look
> > completely stupid.
>
> > Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
> > that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
> > to do.
>
> THey are probably just trying to keep your career going.

we even get residuals on our cut.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> .
> >> net
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > * Jenn and George are partners
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Wrong. They are closer than that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wow. Who knew?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Too much eggnog, Arny. (or not enough)
> >> >>
> >> >> What you don't really see is that you have become
> >> >> Arny's anime.
> >> >> RAO is Rec.Arny.Opinion
> >> >> Arny is insane, Arny is a hypocrite, Arny is this, Arny is that.
> >> >> Without Arny pulling your string you got nothing.
> >> >> I don't bother with this cesspool for a few weeks and in catching up
> >> >> what do I find?
> >> >> Aside from a classical music post and another know nothings
> >> >> quest for guidance....RAO is all about Arny.
> >> >> He wants it that way and you let him have it.
> >> >> Who is the bigger fool?
> >> >> The fool or those played by a fool.
> >> >>
> >> >> ScottW
> >> >
> >> > So I take it that you're done with Shhhh then?
> >>
> >> You're so clueless. Ssshhhh is an ass, but he doesn't
> >> suffer the same illness you feed in Arny.
> >
> > How has Shhh's posting rate changed since you've been away?
> >
> > Please, teach us more "lessons"...
>
> No us...just you.

Oh, OK. Please Scott, teach me more "lessons".

> George, Art, Stephen all know what Arny is.
> They just don't care. It's all fun and games to them.
> You seem to be uniquely clueless.

Oh, I have a very strong opinion concerning what Arny is.

>
> Anyway, I'm sure Ssssshhhh will find it quite amusing that you
> don't see the difference between him and Arny.

Wow. Whoosh!
No, there is a huge difference between Shhh and Arny. What I was
pointing out are the roles of Arny/me, Shhh/you.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> >>> wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And now for something completely idiotic.
> >>>
> >>> That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
> >>
> >> I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and
> >> thinking that they are so arrogant that they think what
> >> they do does anything but make them look completely
> >> stupid.
> >>
> >> Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw
> >> them a little meat so that they can keep on humiliating
> >> themselves. It seems to be what they want to do.
> >
> > THey are probably just trying to keep your career going.
>
> You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for this?

A lifetime of observing people.

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Dec, 20:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in


> You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for this?


Jenn did me just fine
it was like a dream

LOL!!!!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 6:15 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in ...
>
> > On Dec 1, 4:47 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> Anyway, I'm sure Ssssshhhh will find it quite amusing that you
> >> don't see the difference between him and Arny.
>
> > Actually, I'm just gobstoppered that you entirely missed Jenn's point.
>
> Something besides you and Arny are alike?
> Oh well.

I wonder why it is that when 2pid says something dumb, he just keeps
going on down the path.

Another surprise.

LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 7:08 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 1 Dec, 16:26, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > In article >,
>
> > >> >> > * Jenn and George are partners
>
> > >> >> Wrong. They are closer than that.
>
> > >> > Wow. Who knew?
>
> > >> > Too much eggnog, Arny. (or not enough)
>
> > >> What you don't really see is that you have become
> > >> Arny's anime.
> > >> RAO is Rec.Arny.Opinion
> > >> Arny is insane, Arny is a hypocrite, Arny is this, Arny is that.
> > >> Without Arny pulling your string you got nothing.
> > >> I don't bother with this cesspool for a few weeks and in catching up
> > >> what do I find?
> > >> Aside from a classical music post and another know nothings
> > >> quest for guidance....RAO is all about Arny.
> > >> He wants it that way and you let him have it.
> > >> Who is the bigger fool?
> > >> The fool or those played by a fool.
>
> > >> ScottW
>
> > > So I take it that you're done with Shhhh then?
>
> > You're so clueless. Ssshhhh is an ass, but he doesn't
> > suffer the same illness you feed in Arny.
>
> arny requires no feeding from us, he eats
> don't blame the rest of us for the arny phenomenum.
> we are as little to blame for arny as you are for feeding shhh..

Sorry, Clyde, you missed the 'point'.

Just ask 2pid.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 7:13 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 1 Dec, 16:51, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > > "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> > >> And now for something completely idiotic.
>
> > > That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
>
> > I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and thinking that they are so
> > arrogant that they think what they do does anything but make them look
> > completely stupid.
>
> > Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
> > that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
> > to do.
>
> you utterly lack any self awareness at all.
> Nobody here has an ounce of respect for you as a worthwhile human
> being
> Name five who do.
> Name one!

nob.

LOL!

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > Something besides you and Arny are alike?

> I wonder why it is that when 2pid says something dumb, he just keeps
> going on down the [same] path.

Scottie can't learn from his mistakes because he never makes mistakes.
I thought you knew that.

[Jenn]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 1 Dec, 20:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > "Jenn" > wrote in
>
>
> > You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for this?
>
>
> Jenn did me just fine
> it was like a dream
>
> LOL!!!!

DOH!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 5:32 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> IKYABWAIBorg Jr. whined:

George, 2pid blew by "idiot" and "moron" months ago and crash-landed
at "imbecile". Further, Santa has 2pid penciled for the latest edition
of "Hooked on Phonics", not a lump of coal. Santa feared that 2pid
would burn the coal out of spite, since 2pid is not bright enough to
understand the threat of GW.

Santa changed his database to reflect these changes in 2pid's status.
He's asked that you please consider updating yours.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 8:28 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 1 Dec, 20:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > "Jenn" > wrote in
>
> > > You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for this?
>
> > Jenn did me just fine
> > it was like a dream
>
> > LOL!!!!
>
> DOH!

It appears that here is yet another with whom you are "more than
partners".

Surprisingly, out of everybody on RAO, I did not see Clyde
coming... ;-)

[Jenn]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Dec 1, 8:28 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > On 1 Dec, 20:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > > "Jenn" > wrote in
> >
> > > > You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for this?
> >
> > > Jenn did me just fine
> > > it was like a dream
> >
> > > LOL!!!!
> >
> > DOH!
>
> It appears that here is yet another with whom you are "more than
> partners".
>
> Surprisingly, out of everybody on RAO, I did not see Clyde
> coming... ;-)

My Gosh, what a flussie I am!

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Dec, 21:45, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 8:28 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On 1 Dec, 20:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > > > "Jenn" > wrote in
>
> > > > > You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for this?
>
> > > > Jenn did me just fine
> > > > it was like a dream
>
> > > > LOL!!!!
>
> > > DOH!
>
> > It appears that here is yet another with whom you are "more than
> > partners".
>
> > Surprisingly, out of everybody on RAO, I did not see Clyde
> > coming... ;-)
>
> My Gosh, what a flussie I am!

do you mean floozie?

[Jenn]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 1 Dec, 21:45, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 1, 8:28 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > >,
> > > > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On 1 Dec, 20:06, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > > > > "Jenn" > wrote in
> >
> > > > > > You do Sackman so well Jenn. How long have you been studying for
> > > > > > this?
> >
> > > > > Jenn did me just fine
> > > > > it was like a dream
> >
> > > > > LOL!!!!
> >
> > > > DOH!
> >
> > > It appears that here is yet another with whom you are "more than
> > > partners".
> >
> > > Surprisingly, out of everybody on RAO, I did not see Clyde
> > > coming... ;-)
> >
> > My Gosh, what a flussie I am!
>
> do you mean floozie?

I guess that I'm not only a floozie, but a dumb one at that!

[George M. Middius]

Stupidity, let me be blind
To all the ills of humankind;
Fill me with simple sentiment
To walk the way my father went;
School me to sweat with robot folk
Beneath the yoke.
-- Robert Service


> Arny strives to make himself the center of attention.
> You grant him all that he seeks.

The "attention" that the Krooborg craves is the verbal equivalent of a
bath in raw sewage. That's one reason Turdborg is so closely linked to
scat.


> Nothing else remains here.

Vestige of Earthly Remains

Decline of the human empire
Mass existence has expired
Disintegration in a flash of light
Wreckage is what is left in sight
The scars of life are left behind
What has happened to mankind?
Now our world is left in rubble
We should have know we where in trouble
Vestiges and decay
The earth is left this way
Ashes the only trace
Now a lonely place
Shifting through remains
Nothing here to gain
Lifeless barren zone
And I'm here left alone
Human life is overthrown
Look at what I once called at home
This planet seen is left demolished
Entity is now abolish
Elimination we have achieved
From the power of mass greed
Ruins here and that is it
Earth is left a pile of ****



-- Defecation

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 00:05, "ScottW" > wrote:


>
> Arny strives to make himself the center of attention.
> You grant him all that he seeks.
>
> Nothing else remains here.
>
> ScottW

we tried having civil audio conversations, but it was he
who poisoned him, with his attempts
to invalidate every opinion that was not properly "ABX CERTIFIED"
your solution requires everybody to absolutely leave RAO.
better yet, humanity can pour into a giant spacecraft, and leave for
another planet, leaving arny all alone on earth.
look, this is OUR group, not his.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 01:06, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 2 Dec, 00:05, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> Arny strives to make himself the center of attention.
> >> You grant him all that he seeks.
>
> >> Nothing else remains here.
>
> >> ScottW
>
> > we tried having civil audio conversations, but it was he
> > who poisoned him, with his attempts
> > to invalidate every opinion that was not properly "ABX CERTIFIED"
>
> So he has won IYO. How wimp is that?

he hasn't "WON" anything,
he just pollutes and prevents discussions
of audio opinions.
he is waht we call an 'obstructionist"
the only effective way of dealing with him is fragging.
since we can't do that, we are just waiting
for the city bus to arrive.

>
> > your solution requires everybody to absolutely leave RAO.
>
> No, it requires you to quit feeding the beast.
> Just ignore him. You don't because you think it's funny
> to trash Arny.
>

ignoring him accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
NOTHING!!!!!

He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
thing his says or does.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 12:53 am, Clyde Slick > wrote:

> ignoring [GOIA] accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
> NOTHING!!!!!
>
> He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
> thing his says or does.

Just as 2pid has to be called on every stupid thing he ever says.

Hence, Jenn's comparison.

[George M. Middius]

The Idiot is still trying to change the reality constant of the
universe.

> > He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
> > thing his says or does.

> In fact, that's exactly what he wants.

Ya think? When human beings get what they want, they become satisfied
and stop seeking the same exact thing over and over and over again. How
about you compare this well-known principle to your pal Krooger. You say
he "wants" the opposition and obloquy, but he usually gets it, and
there's no sign of Krooger being satisfied.

Once again, Scooter, your "motor" has revved you into some weird
twilight zone of illogic and atrophied minds.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 11:53, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 2 Dec, 01:06, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > On 2 Dec, 00:05, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> Arny strives to make himself the center of attention.
> >> >> You grant him all that he seeks.
>
> >> >> Nothing else remains here.
>
> >> >> ScottW
>
> >> > we tried having civil audio conversations, but it was he
> >> > who poisoned him, with his attempts
> >> > to invalidate every opinion that was not properly "ABX CERTIFIED"
>
> >> So he has won IYO. How wimp is that?
>
> > he hasn't "WON" anything,
> > he just pollutes and prevents discussions
> > of audio opinions.
> > he is waht we call an 'obstructionist"
> > the only effective way of dealing with him is fragging.
> > since we can't do that, we are just waiting
> > for the city bus to arrive.
>
> >> > your solution requires everybody to absolutely leave RAO.
>
> >> No, it requires you to quit feeding the beast.
> >> Just ignore him. You don't because you think it's funny
> >> to trash Arny.
>
> > ignoring him accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
> > NOTHING!!!!!
>
> > He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
> > thing his says or does.
>
> Which also accomplishes nothing.

yes it does,
it doesn't get rid oif the lice,
but one has to call on this ****,
'
just like you do, on your issues, though your nemeses are
not going away, either.


> In fact, that's exactly what he wants.

Of course that is waht he wants
he is an insane masochist, with
paranoid delusions.


> Notice how many have said that Arny said or
> did something ****ty even when they were
> agreeing with him.
>
> You've fallen prey to his trap.
>

i hardly ever agree with him.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 12:11, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> The Idiot is still trying to change the reality constant of the
> universe.
>
> > > He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
> > > thing his says or does.
> > In fact, that's exactly what he wants.
>
> Ya think? When human beings get what they want, they become satisfied
> and stop seeking the same exact thing over and over and over again. How
> about you compare this well-known principle to your pal Krooger. You say
> he "wants" the opposition and obloquy, but he usually gets it, and
> there's no sign of Krooger being satisfied.
>
> Once again, Scooter, your "motor" has revved you into some weird
> twilight zone of illogic and atrophied minds.

Krueger is a clown who wants to have
pies thrown in his face, so, i'll
be one of the one's obliging him.
Arny always gets front row tickets to Gallagher,
being a 'real man', he eschews the apron.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 12:27, "ScottW" > wrote:

>
> Are addicts ever satisfied?
> I thought you were smarter than this, I was wrong.
>
> Krueger needs to be the center of attention on RAO.


i am a first class enabler
like a true NASCAR fan, I
am waiting for a big wreck.

[George M. Middius]

Witless yapped:

> > Ya think? When human beings get what they want, they become satisfied
> > and stop seeking the same exact thing over and over and over again. How
> > about you compare this well-known principle to your pal Krooger. You say
> > he "wants" the opposition and obloquy, but he usually gets it, and
> > there's no sign of Krooger being satisfied.

> Are addicts ever satisfied?
> I thought you were smarter than this, I was wrong.

Sorry, I forgot it was my job to read your mind.

> In the meantime you mourn his absences and cry about his
> return.

ahem... Please define "mourn" in Scottiespeak. Once again you've gone
off the Standard English reservation and bivouacked in your weird
dimension of melting dictionaries and psychedelic grammar.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 12:30, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 2 Dec, 11:53, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > On 2 Dec, 01:06, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >> >> > On 2 Dec, 00:05, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Arny strives to make himself the center of attention.
> >> >> >> You grant him all that he seeks.
>
> >> >> >> Nothing else remains here.
>
> >> >> >> ScottW
>
> >> >> > we tried having civil audio conversations, but it was he
> >> >> > who poisoned him, with his attempts
> >> >> > to invalidate every opinion that was not properly "ABX CERTIFIED"
>
> >> >> So he has won IYO. How wimp is that?
>
> >> > he hasn't "WON" anything,
> >> > he just pollutes and prevents discussions
> >> > of audio opinions.
> >> > he is waht we call an 'obstructionist"
> >> > the only effective way of dealing with him is fragging.
> >> > since we can't do that, we are just waiting
> >> > for the city bus to arrive.
>
> >> >> > your solution requires everybody to absolutely leave RAO.
>
> >> >> No, it requires you to quit feeding the beast.
> >> >> Just ignore him. You don't because you think it's funny
> >> >> to trash Arny.
>
> >> > ignoring him accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
> >> > NOTHING!!!!!
>
> >> > He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
> >> > thing his says or does.
>
> >> Which also accomplishes nothing.
>
> > yes it does,
> > it doesn't get rid oif the lice,
> > but one has to call on this ****,
>
> What does it accomplish?
> You admit below you give him what he wants
> so what is accomplished?
>
> A newsgroup devoted to Arny?
>
>

he actually wants to be worshipped as
the respected font of all knowledge.
but, on the other hand, he also actually craves to be
denigrated as the lowest scum on RAO,'so, either way, he wins!
I suppose that's some
sort of addendum to
the Debating Trade

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 12:36, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 2 Dec, 12:27, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> Are addicts ever satisfied?
> >> I thought you were smarter than this, I was wrong.
>
> >> Krueger needs to be the center of attention on RAO.
>
> > i am a first class enabler
> > like a true NASCAR fan, I
> > am waiting for a big wreck.
>
> Unlike a true fan, you keep hoping your
> driver is involved. Trouble is..in this race
> he will never be sent to the garage.
>
> Your wait is futile.

there is a city bus with his name on it.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:

>
> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
>

i'm cooking up a new batch.
an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > The Idiot is still trying to change the reality constant of the
> > universe.
> >
> >> > He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
> >> > thing his says or does.
> >
> >> In fact, that's exactly what he wants.
> >
> > Ya think? When human beings get what they want, they become satisfied
> > and stop seeking the same exact thing over and over and over again. How
> > about you compare this well-known principle to your pal Krooger. You say
> > he "wants" the opposition and obloquy, but he usually gets it, and
> > there's no sign of Krooger being satisfied.
>
> Are addicts ever satisfied?
> I thought you were smarter than this, I was wrong.
>
> Krueger needs to be the center of attention on RAO.
> He achieves it...wanders off satisfied temporarily
> ...comes back...does it again.
> In the meantime you mourn his absences and cry about his
> return.
> A strange symbiotic relationship you've grown dependent on.
> Jenn tried to study it and became entwined in it herself.

Somewhat true. I still find his way of dealing with the world to be
interesting. His huge and sometimes extremely mean overreaction to
situations is beyond anything I've ever seen and, on a personal level,
some things are not easy to forgive. But yes, I occasionally tweak his
nose. You do the same with Shhhh.

> Most people are sufficiently repulsed to just leave.
> Maybe there is a sadistic streak in you that craves Arny.
> Who knows? Who cares? Who's left?

A few. Including you, of course.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>>
>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
>>
>
> i'm cooking up a new batch.
> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.

Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know that the Middiot
has turned RAO into a wasteland with your help. Besides, there's nobody but
about 6 sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> > On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> >> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> >> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
> >>
> >
> > i'm cooking up a new batch.
> > an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>
> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know that the Middiot
> has turned RAO into a wasteland with your help. Besides, there's nobody but
> about 6 sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.

Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the sockpuppets, in your
eyes?

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 19:26, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> >> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> >> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
>
> > i'm cooking up a new batch.
> > an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>
> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know that the Middiot
> has turned RAO into a wasteland with your help. Besides, there's nobody but
> about 6 sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.


thanks for contradicting yourself, once again, in the pretzel logic
of your debating trade antics.
on one hand, when i launch a pie, "the rest of Usenet" laughs at me,
on the
other hand, only six sockpuppets are watching.
"At least you admit that you have no audience at all,
except for us six sockpuppets.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 19:33, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> > > On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > >> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> > >> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> > >> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
>
> > > i'm cooking up a new batch.
> > > an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>
> > Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know that the Middiot
> > has turned RAO into a wasteland with your help. Besides, there's nobody but
> > about 6 sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.
>
> Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the sockpuppets, in your
> eyes?

no way, arny had his eyes gouged out 8 years ago.
he is stumbling around blind.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 1, 7:14 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 1 Dec, 16:56, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >
> > > > "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ...
>
> > > >> And now for something completely idiotic.
>
> > > > That's true. Arny's pawns are complete idiots.
>
> > > I vacillate between thinking they are idiots and thinking that they are so
> > > arrogant that they think what they do does anything but make them look
> > > completely stupid.
>
> > > Mostly I don't think about them at all - I just throw them a little meat so
> > > that they can keep on humiliating themselves. It seems to be what they want
> > > to do.
>
> > THey are probably just trying to keep your career going.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What in the hell is going on here? I ask a simple question and the
conversation goes beserk. I do appreciate the help I was given but I
have no clue what the rest of this thread is all about.

Wayne

[George M. Middius]

Wayne said:

> I do appreciate the help I was given but I
> have no clue what the rest of this thread is all about.

Did you try reading the subject of the thread? That should help. The
only background info you need in addition to the subject is the
well-known fact that Scottie Witlessmongrel is a moron.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 6:26 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> >> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> >> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
>
> > i'm cooking up a new batch.
> > an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>
> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know that the Middiot
> has turned RAO into a wasteland with your help. Besides, there's nobody but
> about 6 sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.

Hm. Yet you do this to "humilate" people. Yet there's nobody here.

Insanity is such a curious thing to observe.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
>>>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
>>>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.

>>> i'm cooking up a new batch.
>>> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.

>> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know
>> that the Middiot has turned RAO into a wasteland with
>> your help. Besides, there's nobody but about 6
>> sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.

> Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
> sockpuppets, in your eyes?

God knows, I can only judge your actions.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 11:27 am, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Who knows? Who cares? Who's left?

Based on your output for the past couple of days, the obvious answer
is you.

[Arny Krueger]

"soundhaspriority" > wrote in message


> Lesbians by definition CANNOT be sockpuppets.

That would be false.

What sockpuppets can't do is be smarter than the person who animates them.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 5:48 pm, Jenn > wrote:

> But yes, I occasionally tweak his
> nose. You do the same with Shhhh.

Do you mean to imply that 2pid's stupidity is an act designed to
"tweak my nose"?

I disagree. I think it's real.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

- Show quoted text -
>
> What in the hell is going on here? I ask a simple
> question and the conversation goes beserk. I do
> appreciate the help I was given but I have no clue what
> the rest of this thread is all about.

Welcome to RAO!

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 21:54, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > In article >,

>
>
> >> Most people are sufficiently repulsed to just leave.
> >> Maybe there is a sadistic streak in you that craves Arny.
> >> Who knows? Who cares? Who's left?
>
> > A few. Including you, of course.
>
> It ain't to see who Arny ****es on next.

For me. its to see who ****es on Arny next.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 21:56, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in
>
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> >>> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >>>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> >>>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> >>>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
> >>> i'm cooking up a new batch.
> >>> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
> >> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know
> >> that the Middiot has turned RAO into a wasteland with
> >> your help. Besides, there's nobody but about 6
> >> sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.
> > Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
> > sockpuppets, in your eyes?
>
> God knows, I can only judge your actions.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > It ain't to see who Arny ****es on next.

> For me. its to see who ****es on Arny next.

That just leads to an excretion race.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 21:56, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> God knows, I can only judge your actions.


Now I am going to have to try and find another appropriate sermon for
you

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 9:01 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Arny does have a life,

Prove it.

> George apparently only exists on usenet.
> Study of their interaction has proven addictive to some
> and intellectually debilitating.
> So your best advice is to ignore them and save your sanity.

Like you are.

So are you trying to create an insanity defense for your terminal
stupidity?

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Dec, 22:01, "ScottW" > wrote:

>
> Welcome to RAO.....where fully 90% of all posts are devoted to
> the study of sociopathic behavior.
> We have 2 subjects..Arny Kreuger (who occasionally also posts
> about audio) and George Middius who never posts anything but
> ridicule, either at Arny or those who don't see his point.
> Arny does have a life,

Goodie, let's study this.
Arny's life consists of:

basement training sessions with the neighborhood boys
builiding and marketing the sum of four abx boxes
graduating with a general engineering degree from a mediocre third
tier public university
a career designing ashtrays for the Dodge Horizon
publicly flogging himself over the untimely and unfortunate death of
his son
maintaining the exceptionally graphic www.pcabx.com website
fixing pc's for his neighbors
having a second career, a senet career purveying 'The Debating Trade"
spending his vacations communing with bears
and, most important of all, falsely accusing approximately thirty
people of sending him kiddie porn emails.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> >>>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> >>>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
>
> >>> i'm cooking up a new batch.
> >>> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>
> >> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know
> >> that the Middiot has turned RAO into a wasteland with
> >> your help. Besides, there's nobody but about 6
> >> sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.
>
> > Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
> > sockpuppets, in your eyes?
>
> God knows, I can only judge your actions.

So, in your judgement, am I? You seem to be sure about others.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The Idiot is still trying to change the reality constant of the
> >> > universe.
> >> >
> >> >> > He has to be publicly called on every ****ty
> >> >> > thing his says or does.
> >> >
> >> >> In fact, that's exactly what he wants.
> >> >
> >> > Ya think? When human beings get what they want, they become satisfied
> >> > and stop seeking the same exact thing over and over and over again. How
> >> > about you compare this well-known principle to your pal Krooger. You say
> >> > he "wants" the opposition and obloquy, but he usually gets it, and
> >> > there's no sign of Krooger being satisfied.
> >>
> >> Are addicts ever satisfied?
> >> I thought you were smarter than this, I was wrong.
> >>
> >> Krueger needs to be the center of attention on RAO.
> >> He achieves it...wanders off satisfied temporarily
> >> ...comes back...does it again.
> >> In the meantime you mourn his absences and cry about his
> >> return.
> >> A strange symbiotic relationship you've grown dependent on.
> >> Jenn tried to study it and became entwined in it herself.
> >
> > Somewhat true. I still find his way of dealing with the world to be
> > interesting.
>
> I don't know who is worse off. The sociopath or the buffoons who
> like to push his buttons.
>
> > His huge and sometimes extremely mean overreaction to
> > situations is beyond anything I've ever seen and, on a personal level,
> > some things are not easy to forgive. But yes, I occasionally tweak his
> > nose. You do the same with Shhhh.
>
> Much as dislike finding myself in the position of defending shhhh.
> You need to get off the Shhhh and Arny are alike rationalization.
> They're not even close.

Except I haven't done that.

[J. Clouse]

In article >, says...
>
>
>Welcome to RAO.....
>
>ScottW
>
>


Since the following is not pertinant to the topic, and is
somewhat off-color, then it is appropriate here in RAO...

There once was a man of good cheer
He loved his beans and his beer....
But in church he farted...
And a commotion it started,
So they threw him out the door on his ear.

Seasons greetings etc from Hammingaway

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 9:13 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 2 Dec, 21:56, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > God knows, I can only judge your actions.
>
> Now I am going to have to try and find another appropriate sermon for
> you

Bzzzzzzzzt.

God only knows because GOIA told him personally.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 9:23 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jenn" > wrote in
> > message
>
> > > In article >,
> > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >
> > >>> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > >>>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> > >>>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> > >>>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more pies.
>
> > >>> i'm cooking up a new batch.
> > >>> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>
> > >> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They know
> > >> that the Middiot has turned RAO into a wasteland with
> > >> your help. Besides, there's nobody but about 6
> > >> sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.
>
> > > Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
> > > sockpuppets, in your eyes?
>
> > God knows, I can only judge your actions.
>
> So, in your judgement, am I? You seem to be sure about others.

Jesus, Jenn, why are you arguing with someone who knows god personally?

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
>>>>>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
>>>>>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more
>>>>>> pies.
>>
>>>>> i'm cooking up a new batch.
>>>>> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>>
>>>> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They
>>>> know that the Middiot has turned RAO into a wasteland
>>>> with your help. Besides, there's nobody but about 6
>>>> sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.
>>
>>> Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
>>> sockpuppets, in your eyes?
>>
>> God knows, I can only judge your actions.
>
> So, in your judgement, am I? You seem to be sure about
> others.

It is the boring core sameness of the personas. RAO is like reading a story
written by someone who is really dumb but doesn't know it.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >> message
> >> .
> >> net
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
> >>>>>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
> >>>>>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more
> >>>>>> pies.
> >>
> >>>>> i'm cooking up a new batch.
> >>>>> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
> >>
> >>>> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They
> >>>> know that the Middiot has turned RAO into a wasteland
> >>>> with your help. Besides, there's nobody but about 6
> >>>> sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.
> >>
> >>> Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
> >>> sockpuppets, in your eyes?
> >>
> >> God knows, I can only judge your actions.
> >
> > So, in your judgement, am I? You seem to be sure about
> > others.
>
> It is the boring core sameness of the personas. RAO is like reading a story
> written by someone who is really dumb but doesn't know it.

So you're not sure about me, uh?

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > >>> Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
> > >>> sockpuppets, in your eyes?
> > >>
> > >> God knows, I can only judge your actions.
> > >
> > > So, in your judgement, am I? You seem to be sure about
> > > others.
> >
> > It is the boring core sameness of the personas. RAO is like reading a story
> > written by someone who is really dumb but doesn't know it.
>
> So you're not sure about me, uh?

Krooger is "sure" that you're 32 years old, that you only pretend to be
a musician, and that your chief purpose in playing on Usenet is to
torment and humiliate him. Plus you're woefully understocked in
"relevant facts".

It almost appears, Jenn, that you don't really want to join the cadre of
elite "debating trade" warriors. We've caught you admitting error more
than ten times, for God's sake. And now you're asking the Krooborg what
he's "sure" of? I think you'd better launder all your sockpuppets and
start fresh. You'll never achieve Stinky Floater status the way you're
going now.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> .
>>>> net
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Dec, 12:34, "ScottW" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's usenet. You can't touch him and he's laughing
>>>>>>>> at you behind an internet glass wall as you
>>>>>>>> furiously and futilely call for more pies...more
>>>>>>>> pies.
>>>>
>>>>>>> i'm cooking up a new batch.
>>>>>>> an i'm laughing at the clown each time i throw one.
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes Art, but the rest of Usenet laughs at you! They
>>>>>> know that the Middiot has turned RAO into a wasteland
>>>>>> with your help. Besides, there's nobody but about 6
>>>>>> sockpuppets to see you launch the pies.
>>>>
>>>>> Just curious, as I don't remember: Am I one of the
>>>>> sockpuppets, in your eyes?
>>>>
>>>> God knows, I can only judge your actions.
>>>
>>> So, in your judgement, am I? You seem to be sure about
>>> others.
>>
>> It is the boring core sameness of the personas. RAO is
>> like reading a story written by someone who is really
>> dumb but doesn't know it.
>
> So you're not sure about me, uh?

Unhh, my scientific attitude is that I'm not totally sure about *anything*.
Do we exist? What does existence mean? ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 3, 11:05 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in

> > So you're not sure about me, uh?
>
> Unhh, my scientific attitude is that I'm not totally sure about *anything*.

Except that which you consider overpriced. And that if people choose
to buy one of those items, they're absolutely positively wrong.
You're dead certain of that.

> Do we exist? What does existence mean? ;-)

It means that you just may be a sockpuppet of George's, as all the
rest of us are.

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > Do we exist? What does existence mean? ;-)

> It means that you just may be a sockpuppet of George's, as all the
> rest of us are.

I may have several other RAOers dangling from my fingertips, but I can
assure you that Krooger is not one of them. I flush every time I make.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 3, 12:07 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > Do we exist? What does existence mean? ;-)
> > It means that you just may be a sockpuppet of George's, as all the
> > rest of us are.
>
> I may have several other RAOers dangling from my fingertips, but I can
> assure you that Krooger is not one of them. I flush every time I make.

Yes, but does GOIA know that? He seems trapped in one of Piaget's
early developmental stages.

[Bill Riel]

In article <54708ebc-8881-4c8c-b7b1-f7afa8ab38e4
@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, says...

> What in the hell is going on here? I ask a simple question and the
> conversation goes beserk. I do appreciate the help I was given but I
> have no clue what the rest of this thread is all about.

Wayne, welcome to RAO!

It is something of an insane assylum around here. Generally speaking,
most topics disintigrate into the kind of thing you are now seeing. As
far as I know RAO has always been like this, though the nasty battles
used to more objectivist vs subjectivist.

That doesn't mean it's not a good place to get advice or to discuss some
interesting music or a piece of audio gear, but be aware that someone is
likely to start sniping and then it starts again.

I hope that won't put you off asking more questions if you have them.
There really are good people here, even if they seem to be overshadowed
by some of the extremists.

If this is not to your liking, you will find the newsgroup
rec.audio.high-end mostly free of this kind of thing. It's a moderated
group though, and it can take a couple of days for your post to appear,
then a day or two more for responses to come in.

btw, have you been able to try doing an recording? I'm just wondering
how that's been going.

--
Bill

[George M. Middius]

Bill Riel said:

> ... RAO has always been like this, though the nasty battles
> used to more objectivist vs subjectivist.

Not really. We've had a few self-described "objectivists", but they
weren't really. They all ended up choosing their stuff using entirely
subjective means, playing trial-and-error like Normals have always done.

The big difference between RAO now and 10 years ago is we're down to one
or two 'borgs.

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill Riel" > wrote in message
t

> It is something of an insane assylum around here.

It used to be much less so - spell asylum as you will.

> Generally speaking, most topics disintigrate into the
> kind of thing you are now seeing. As far as I know RAO
> has always been like this,

Nahh, the slide downhill started with Allan/Ellen/Alan Derrida, and
continued with Singh. As more and more people abandoned RAO, the place
shrunk to the point where a mental midget like the Middiot could pretty much
dominate the pathetic remains.

[Bill Riel]

In article >, George M.
Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> says...

> Not really. We've had a few self-described "objectivists", but they
> weren't really. They all ended up choosing their stuff using entirely
> subjective means, playing trial-and-error like Normals have always done.

Quite true I suppose. I can't imagine anyone making purchases any other
way.

> The big difference between RAO now and 10 years ago is we're down to one
> or two 'borgs.

I believe most of the 'borgs have scurried to various web based
discussion sites.

--
Bill

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill Riel" > wrote in message
t

> In article >,
> George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> says...

>> Not really. We've had a few self-described
>> "objectivists", but they weren't really. They all ended
>> up choosing their stuff using entirely subjective means,
>> playing trial-and-error like Normals have always done.

Nonsense.

> Quite true I suppose. I can't imagine anyone making
> purchases any other way.

Doesn't address the tremendous increase in purchases over the web.

>> The big difference between RAO now and 10 years ago is
>> we're down to one or two 'borgs.

There never were that many so-called borgs here.

Middius doesn't want to admit to the fact that the non-borg population has
dropped far more preciptiously.

> I believe most of the 'borgs have scurried to various web
> based discussion sites.

As did dozens and dozens of the others.

BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of your last name. ;-)

<Can we get some fresh blood to write posts for all these sockpuppets and
put an end to the crushing sameness?>

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 3, 5:49 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> <Can we get some fresh blood to write posts for all these sockpuppets and
> put an end to the crushing sameness?>

I'm still trying to figure out if you exist, just like you are.

George, will you write something that doesn't bore GOIA? Use Bill's or
JA's name again.

[Arny Krueger]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>>> Lesbians by definition CANNOT be sockpuppets.
>>
>> That would be false.
>
> Your hand, my glove, our bullet!
>
>> What sockpuppets can't do is be smarter than the person
>> who animates them.
>
> True.. I am proof of that.

Oh my, Paul Dormer is doing that childish forgery thing agan.

Yawn.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg wallows in self-pity.

> Paul Dormer is doing that childish forgery thing agan.

How's your Fecology campaign coming along, Arnii? Did you get Oakland
Community College to accredit your syllabus yet? BTW, if the scientism
approach fails, you can always fall back on the Fecalism version for
Comparative Religion.

[Bill Riel]

In article >,
says...

> BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of your last name. ;-)

I'm sure you do.

BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is pronounced?

--
Bill

[George M. Middius]

Bill Riel said:

> > BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of your last name. ;-)

> I'm sure you do.
> BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is pronounced?

'mär-tin

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:

> Bill Riel said:
>
> > > BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of your last name.
> > > ;-)
>
> > I'm sure you do.
> > BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is pronounced?
>
> 'mär-tin

lol

[Bill Riel]

In article >, George M.
Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> says...
>
>
> Bill Riel said:
>
> > > BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of your last name. ;-)
>
> > I'm sure you do.
> > BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is pronounced?
>
> 'mär-tin

LOL! Very good!

--
Bill

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill Riel" > wrote in message
t
> In article >,
> says...

>> BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of
>> your last name. ;-)

> I'm sure you do.

> BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is
> pronounced?

Asked and answered if you can figure out what sounding out of your last name
would be highly ironic.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 4, 11:57 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Bill Riel" > wrote in message
>
> t
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >> BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of
> >> your last name. ;-)
> > I'm sure you do.
> > BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is
> > pronounced?
>
> Asked and answered if you can figure out what sounding out of your last name
> would be highly ironic.

"Real" would be ironic for a sockpuppet, as we all are. "Rile" would
be ironic for the effect he consistently has on you. "Insane" would be
highly ironic because...

Never mind.

[Clyde Slick]

On 4 Dec, 12:18, Bill Riel > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of your last name. ;-)
>
> I'm sure you do.
>
> BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is pronounced?
>
> --
> Bill

i 'REAL'ly don't know and it 'RILE's me.

[Bill Riel]

In article <6697f136-7911-45ad-b7dd-
>,
says...
> On 4 Dec, 12:18, Bill Riel > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >
> > > BTW Bill, I love the irony of the obvious homophone of your last name. ;-)
> >
> > I'm sure you do.
> >
> > BTW Arny, just how do you think my last name is pronounced?
> >
> > --
> > Bill
>
> i 'REAL'ly don't know and it 'RILE's me.

Heh, it's actually neither.

It's a French name and is pronounced with two syllables: "ree-ell" would
be about right. I'm trying to come up with a homophone of this from the
English language and I'm coming up blank. Perhaps Arny is thinking of a
Krooglish word?

--
Bill

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 4, 12:51 pm, Bill Riel > wrote:

> says...

> > i 'REAL'ly don't know and it 'RILE's me.
>
> Heh, it's actually neither.
>
> It's a French name and is pronounced with two syllables: "ree-ell" would
> be about right. I'm trying to come up with a homophone of this from the
> English language and I'm coming up blank. Perhaps Arny is thinking of a
> Krooglish word?

Do you suppose GOIA thinks "Riel" is pronounced "Poop"? The irony
there would truly be staggering.

[Bill Riel]

In article <f8d215e7-2b0e-43c5-a31e-32f2870891c8
@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, says...

> Do you suppose GOIA thinks "Riel" is pronounced "Poop"? The irony
> there would truly be staggering.

Who knows what goes on in the mind of a 'borg? I must admit I prefer to
not speculate!

--
Bill

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 5, 11:17 am, Bill Riel > wrote:
> In article <f8d215e7-2b0e-43c5-a31e-32f2870891c8
> @i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> > Do you suppose GOIA thinks "Riel" is pronounced "Poop"? The irony
> > there would truly be staggering.
>
> Who knows what goes on in the mind of a 'borg? I must admit I prefer to
> not speculate!

Fortunately we don't have to speculate because they offer daily
glimpses of how their mind works unfortunately.

[George M. Middius]

Bill Riel said:

> > Do you suppose GOIA thinks "Riel" is pronounced "Poop"? The irony
> > there would truly be staggering.
>
> Who knows what goes on in the mind of a 'borg? I must admit I prefer to
> not speculate!

It's only speculating if you take poop out of the scenario.