[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

And not with you...again.

Well, here we are, 2pid. You may have wondered why I laugh at your
lame "RIP" insults. The reason is simple: I know you are wrong. Lol!

"But what, Bob Schieffer asked, is a general to do? "We don't want
generals making policy. That's for the civilian leadership. But should
they resign? Should they be willing to speak out?" (Much the same
question has absorbed officers at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, "the
intellectual center of the United States Army," as Elisabeth Bumiller
reported today."

"Mr. McCain, son of an admiral, a U.S. Naval Academy graduate, and a
Navy pilot and prisoner of war in Vietnam, said the answer was simple:
First, they should always give honest responses when asked their
opinion.
And second, "If you think the country is going in the wrong direction
and it's going to cost the needless loss of young Americans' lives
then, of course, you should stand up and you should leave your
position. And I know that's a very tough decision for people to make."

McCain advocates RIPing, 2pid. McCain (like me) has FAR more military
experience than you do. (Of course, so does a new soldier on his first
day of BCT, or anybody else who wasn't AWOL in serving their country.)
What do you make of THAT, 2pid? Lol!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-and-genocide/

And wasn't it you who claimed that there were no negative impacts to
GEN Shinseki for telling the truth?

"No, Major Montague shot back, it was more complicated: the Joint
Chiefs of Staff and the top commanders were part of the decision to
send in a small invasion force and not enough troops for the
occupation. Only Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, the Army chief of staff who
was sidelined after he told Congress that it would take several
hundred thousand troops in Iraq, spoke up in public."

"You didn't hear any of them at the time, other than General Shinseki,
screaming, saying that this was untenable," Major Montague said."

"Yet, Major Hardaway said, General Shinseki had shown there was a
great cost, at least under Mr. Rumsfeld. "Evidence shows that when you
do do that in uniform, bad things can happen," he said. "So, it's sort
of a dichotomy of, should I do the right thing, even if I get
punished?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/us...=1&oref=slogin

Lol! What a ninny you are, 2pid. It's no wonder only two people here
(Clyde and Bratzi) like you. You are the largest imbecile I have ever
seen.

(BTW, 2pid, I graduated from a course at the Command and General Staff
College at Leavenworth (insert a 2pid mindless comment referring to
the federal prison there) in 1999.)

Thanks for the link, 2pid. As is always the case, your links prove my
points far more effectively than whatever 'point' it is you are trying
to make. Lol!

(One wonders when 2pid will realize what a shell (or even caricature)
of a man he is...)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 17, 6:13 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Oct 17, 12:15 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
And not with you...again.

Well, here we are, 2pid. You may have wondered why I laugh at your
lame "RIP" insults. The reason is simple: I know you are wrong. Lol!

"But what, Bob Schieffer asked, is a general to do? "We don't want
generals making policy. That's for the civilian leadership. But should
they resign? Should they be willing to speak out?" (Much the same
question has absorbed officers at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, "the
intellectual center of the United States Army," as Elisabeth Bumiller
reported today."

"Mr. McCain, son of an admiral, a U.S. Naval Academy graduate, and a
Navy pilot and prisoner of war in Vietnam, said the answer was simple:
First, they should always give honest responses when asked their
opinion.
And second, "If you think the country is going in the wrong direction
and it's going to cost the needless loss of young Americans' lives
then, of course, you should stand up and you should leave your
position. And I know that's a very tough decision for people to make."

McCain advocates RIPing, 2pid.

He's talking about a general...not a little peon like you.

So, using your 'logic', you can only have a conscience or think for
yourself if you attain a certain rank. Hm. Interesting (but very dumb)
position.

It's also another example of why McCain won't ever be president.
He doesn't think this stuff through.

I think he did, 2pid. One might wonder, based on history, if you are
capable of thinking anything through. What you want is a bunch of
mindless (it begins to make sense now, looking at who is advocating
this) droids marching in lockstep and "just following orders". Germany
had that in the 1930s and 1940s. Why would you want that?

Civilian rule is civilian rule.

Yup. Unless you delegate that authority to the military, as bushie has
done.

It isn't civilian rule only when the military agrees.

Nope. But you seem to 'think' that military people have to check their
brains and beliefs at the door. Note, 2pid, nobody is suggesting
anyone go AWOL (like you were in serving your country). So if you're
in and get deployed, you go and do the best job that you can. Been
there, done that.

I find it quite revealing of your many personality defects that your
attitude is, "Once you're in, you have to stay in regardless of your
personal beliefs." That is a stupid position to have, 2pid, but you
won't see that. I know officers who left before they had enough time
to retire. And do you know what, 2pid? It was the military's loss.

You don't get veto power over civilian rule.

So who suggested that? You do, however, get to decide whether you want
to stay and support a particular regime or a particular set of
policies. You get to look over the horizon and decide if you want to
play a long-term part or not. While such freedom is apparently an
abomination to you, thankfully all you get to do is whine about it.
You're good at whining, 2pid. Props.

Luckily for us...a couple nut jobs like you who don't understand
that don't impact the military's ability to carry out their missions.

Understand what, 2pid? That people should not be allowed to retire
when they want to? As I said, your position is beneath stupid. Now I
have to guess at your meaning here, as this is a very garbled
sentence. If you're saying that my retiring had little effect on the
military's ability to carry out missions, I agree. The military is
interchangeable parts. You do, I presume, know what "GI" stands for.

Further, he's not saying the general should retire.
He say he should leave his position
(and maybe then be lined up and shot).

Ah, the 2pid recourse for everything: "If you don't agree with me, you
should die." As I've said many times, 2pid, you'd be a disaster as a
military leader. You can't think clearly and your ideology seems to
blanket your thought processes. That's not a very good combination.

2pid, the military is not like working for some podunk little cell
phone company, even in lower management like you. You don't get to go
up and ask for a transfer to another department and then automatically
get one. What McCain meant was what he said: if you disagree, you
should leave your position.

That takes balls...what you supposedly did takes none,
and had that much impact as well.

Well, 2pid, we disagree. It takes balls to decide to close out a 22-
year career which was very enjoyable and challenging. The military
dangled a promotion to try to keep me. But they (unlike you) know what
a good leader looks like... Lol!

You can always go back and demand the firing squad
you never earned. I'll support you.

Of course you will, 2pid. I disagree with you and therefore I deserve
to die. Isn't it funny? I think you're the stupidest person I've ever
met. I disagree with virtually everything you 'stand' for. Yet I don't
wish you dead.

So who's the freedom lover here? You? Lol!

2pid, the only position you seem qualified for in any military in the
world is political commissar of the Red Army. Too bad they aren't
around any more. Lol!

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

What you want is a bunch of
mindless (it begins to make sense now, looking at who is advocating
this) droids marching in lockstep and "just following orders".

Actually, that's pretty much what we have now in our country. Everybody
who's left Bush's crew has reported that "loyalty" is the trait he values
above all else.

Germany had that in the 1930s and 1940s. Why would you want that?

Not to belabor a parallel, but Bush isn't crazy, just stupid.....

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 18, 3:17 pm, George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net wrote:
Shhhh! said:

What you want is a bunch of
mindless (it begins to make sense now, looking at who is advocating
this) droids marching in lockstep and "just following orders".

Actually, that's pretty much what we have now in our country. Everybody
who's left Bush's crew has reported that "loyalty" is the trait he values
above all else.

Fortunately the Army is encouraging soldiers to question what is going
on at the Command and General Staff College at Ft. Leavenworth.

Germany had that in the 1930s and 1940s. Why would you want that?

Not to belabor a parallel, but Bush isn't crazy, just stupid.....

Yes, George, but when 2pid asks for mindless and blind obedience in
the military, he's asking for the foundations of facism. The next guy
might indeed be crazy.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 18, 3:39 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Oct 18, 1:12 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:13 pm, ScottW wrote:

Well, 2pid, we disagree. It takes balls to decide to close out a 22-
year career which was very enjoyable and challenging.

Lol...its such a ball buster that every working person faces it.
Most of us in dynamic industries change careers more than once.
It really isn't the big deal you make it out to be.

More than likely having no other skills you've joined
that war profitteering military industrial complex you so
despise. Tell us ss****head...you're not a war profiteer...are you?

Damn, you're good. You've figured it out all on your own.

Yes, 2pid, anybody that sees what an imbecile you are either deserves
to die, or must have evil motives. Tell me, 2pid, what kind of person
'thinks' like this? Would you call a person who 'thinks' like this
'normal'? I wouldn't. Lol!

What does this company you've created really do?

I provide personal security in Iraq. That allows me to shoot people
who disagree with me, pretty much at will. It's a job you'd no doubt
like very much. The republicans love me.

Anyway what exactly did you accomplish by this great sacrifice?

I kept my integrity intact, 2pid. Don't worry: I already know this
will not make any sense to you. You're too confused to know what words
actually mean.

(And you're focusing on only one very small facet of my decision, but
that's probably all that you can handle given your mental
"limitations".)

Besides getting rich as you've claimed.

No claim like this has ever been made by me. Why do you feel the need
to resort to lying to make your 'point'?

Anything change?

Yes. I no longer had to wake up at 0430 to go run five miles. I could
have sex with female enlisted soldiers if I wanted to without UCMJ
action. And I can say whatever I want about bushie now. Imbecile.

Is your 'point' actually that, because the US Army is a big
organization, and because my retirement didn't shut them down for
business, or create some massive policy change, that I should have
stayed, against my personal beliefs? Lol! You're dumber than I
thought. Is that "integrity" in your 'mind'? Lol!

Did somebody sit up and notice?

Is that another way you define "integrity"? That's interesting, 2pid,
but not surprising.

I suppose the colonel who offered me a promotion to stay noticed. He
was sitting up when he offered it to me.

Anything on the news about your "retirement"?

Such as...

Or are you saying that only people who makes the evening news should
be allowed to retire? What exactly is your 'point'? Imbecile. Lol!

or was it just an impotent selfish gesture?

Lol! You were entirely AWOL in serving your country, 2pid. Vanished
without a trace. I was not. "Selfish" is yet another word whose
meaning you've managed to mangle... Lol!

You claim to know all about 'morality' and 'honesty' and
'integrity' (not to mention your preeminent knowledge of how the
military works...). Yet when someone walks the walk, you simply cannot
handle it. The two functioning synapses in your 'brain' start to
misfire. Poor 2pid! Lol!

You're stupid, 2pid. Stupid people, such as you, who are filled only
with political ideology and self-righteousness, and utterly lacking in
integrity, morals and ethics are perhaps the worst combination for a
nation. As I've said, you'd be a disaster in the military. There's not
much else to it. End of story, 2pid.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 18, 5:14 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:45 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
On Oct 18, 3:39 pm, ScottW wrote:

On Oct 18, 1:12 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:13 pm, ScottW wrote:

Well, 2pid, we disagree. It takes balls to decide to close out a 22-
year career which was very enjoyable and challenging.

Lol...its such a ball buster that every working person faces it.
Most of us in dynamic industries change careers more than once.
It really isn't the big deal you make it out to be.

More than likely having no other skills you've joined
that war profitteering military industrial complex you so
despise. Tell us ss****head...you're not a war profiteer...are you?

Damn, you're good. You've figured it out all on your own.

Yes, 2pid, anybody that sees what an imbecile you are either deserves
to die, or must have evil motives.

Nah....it's just you seem to be a slimey hypocrite with no
integrity. You'd turn your back on your own cause for a dime.
That's all.

And what is "my cause"? And have you looked up "hypocrite" yet?

I didn't think so.

Tell me, 2pid, what kind of person
'thinks' like this? Would you call a person who 'thinks' like this
'normal'? I wouldn't. Lol!

Tacit admission that this is correct.

What does this company you've created really do?

I provide personal security in Iraq. That allows me to shoot people
who disagree with me, pretty much at will. It's a job you'd no doubt
like very much. The republicans love me.

Why am I not surprised. So you're a slime or a liar...
and probably both.

Duh.

Bull**** questions deserve bull**** answers, 2pid.

Anyway what exactly did you accomplish by this great sacrifice?

I kept my integrity intact, 2pid.

We know what that's worth....

Well, *we* do. You have not shown that you know the meaning of the
word, 2pid. To the contrary, you have shown that you do not.

Don't worry: I already know this
will not make any sense to you. You're too confused to know what words
actually mean.

(And you're focusing on only one very small facet of my decision, but
that's probably all that you can handle given your mental
"limitations".)

Besides getting rich as you've claimed.

No claim like this has ever been made by me.

Actually you did way back when....

No, I didn't. Please provide a cite.

and since have claimed you won't even reveal your system
for fear of creating envy or ridicule or both.

No fear, 2pid.

Dish it out but can't take it.

Take what? Your stupidity? I'm trying.

Why do you feel the need
to resort to lying to make your 'point'?

Tacit admission of fact.

Anything change?

Yes. I no longer had to wake up at 0430 to go run five miles. I could
have sex with female enlisted soldiers if I wanted to without UCMJ
action. And I can say whatever I want about bushie now. Imbecile.

Self-centered stuff....figures.

I didn't want to talk about the near-collapse of the US Army or the
massive policy changes caused by my retirement from the military.
That's still classified.

What was the purpose again...you retired to get laid?

Isn't that why everybody retires? What do you 'think'? That I'm
getting my ass licked? Lol!

Imbecile.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 18, 9:22 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in oglegroups.com...





On Oct 18, 5:14 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:45 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
On Oct 18, 3:39 pm, ScottW wrote:

On Oct 18, 1:12 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:13 pm, ScottW wrote:

Well, 2pid, we disagree. It takes balls to decide to close out a 22-
year career which was very enjoyable and challenging.

Lol...its such a ball buster that every working person faces it.
Most of us in dynamic industries change careers more than once.
It really isn't the big deal you make it out to be.

More than likely having no other skills you've joined
that war profitteering military industrial complex you so
despise. Tell us ss****head...you're not a war profiteer...are you?

Damn, you're good. You've figured it out all on your own.

Yes, 2pid, anybody that sees what an imbecile you are either deserves
to die, or must have evil motives.

Nah....it's just you seem to be a slimey hypocrite with no
integrity. You'd turn your back on your own cause for a dime.
That's all.

And what is "my cause"?

"I, Shhhhhithead, do NOT solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will NOT bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I
will NOT obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of
the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of
Military Justice. So help me Satan"

Brilliant as usual, 2pid.

I'd suggest that you contact the FBI immediately with your 'evidence'.
I may be running for office soon.

Imbecile. The 'mind' of a child.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 18, 9:54 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in glegroups.com...





On Oct 18, 9:22 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in
oglegroups.com...

On Oct 18, 5:14 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:45 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
On Oct 18, 3:39 pm, ScottW wrote:

On Oct 18, 1:12 pm, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:13 pm, ScottW wrote:

Well, 2pid, we disagree. It takes balls to decide to close out a 22-
year career which was very enjoyable and challenging.

Lol...its such a ball buster that every working person faces it.
Most of us in dynamic industries change careers more than once.
It really isn't the big deal you make it out to be.

More than likely having no other skills you've joined
that war profitteering military industrial complex you so
despise. Tell us ss****head...you're not a war profiteer...are you?

Damn, you're good. You've figured it out all on your own.

Yes, 2pid, anybody that sees what an imbecile you are either deserves
to die, or must have evil motives.

Nah....it's just you seem to be a slimey hypocrite with no
integrity. You'd turn your back on your own cause for a dime.
That's all.

And what is "my cause"?

"I, Shhhhhithead, do NOT solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will NOT bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
that I
will NOT obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders
of
the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code
of
Military Justice. So help me Satan"

Brilliant as usual, 2pid.

I'd suggest that you contact the FBI immediately with your 'evidence'.
I may be running for office soon.

Why?...even as a wanna be criminal, you're a failure.

I see your 'integrity' is at work again...

Lol!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 18, 9:22 pm, "ScottW" wrote:

"I, Shhhhhithead, do NOT solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will NOT bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I
will NOT obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of
the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of
Military Justice. So help me Satan"

Hm. I think 2pid's gone off the deep end...again.

BTW, 2pid, what was the oath like that you took when you entered
military service? Was it different than this one?

Just curious.