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Your VST toolbox
Since I record mostly individuals in my home studio, I need to work
much with Plugins and those are harder to make sit in the mix correctly. They sound thin, fizzy and/or like mud. Maybe the question is: What is your basic VST MUST HAVE toolbox. Let's limit this to 3. (Analog gear is good also.) |
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"Julien BH" wrote in message s.com... Since I record mostly individuals in my home studio, I need to work much with Plugins and those are harder to make sit in the mix correctly. They sound thin, fizzy and/or like mud. Maybe the question is: What is your basic VST MUST HAVE toolbox. Let's limit this to 3. (Analog gear is good also.) How are they harder to make sit in the mix? I used to blame my plugins all the time until I got decent microphones, preamps, room treatments, and monitoring. I'd pick the following from Waves: Q10, TrueVerb, C-1 -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 5, 4:40 pm, "David Grant" wrote:
"Julien BH" wrote in message s.com... Since I record mostly individuals in my home studio, I need to work much with Plugins and those are harder to make sit in the mix correctly. They sound thin, fizzy and/or like mud. Maybe the question is: What is your basic VST MUST HAVE toolbox. Let's limit this to 3. (Analog gear is good also.) How are they harder to make sit in the mix? I used to blame my plugins all the time until I got decent microphones, preamps, room treatments, and monitoring. I'd pick the following from Waves: Q10, TrueVerb, C-1 -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Waves makes some great plugins, but they KILL my CPU. I'd need a new computer too I suppose. (p4 3.0ghz + 1gb ram) |
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Waves makes some great plugins, but they KILL my CPU. I'd need a new computer too I suppose. (p4 3.0ghz + 1gb ram) That's basically what I use except 2 gigs ram... runs like a charm as long as I don't attempt a convolution reverb of any kind. Maybe you need to tweak your OS a little. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 5, 4:45 pm, Julien BH wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:40 pm, "David Grant" wrote: "Julien BH" wrote in message ps.com... Since I record mostly individuals in my home studio, I need to work much with Plugins and those are harder to make sit in the mix correctly. They sound thin, fizzy and/or like mud. Maybe the question is: What is your basic VST MUST HAVE toolbox. Let's limit this to 3. (Analog gear is good also.) How are they harder to make sit in the mix? I used to blame my plugins all the time until I got decent microphones, preamps, room treatments, and monitoring. I'd pick the following from Waves: Q10, TrueVerb, C-1 -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Waves makes some great plugins, but they KILL my CPU. I'd need a new computer too I suppose. (p4 3.0ghz + 1gb ram) So it all comes to: Better preamp = 500$ Room treatment = 500-1000 for basic treatment. New Computer = 1000$ Monitoring and microphones I think I'm OK for now. Not too bad: only 2000-2500$ total  |
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Better preamp = 500$ Room treatment = 500-1000 for basic treatment. New Computer = 1000$ Monitoring and microphones I think I'm OK for now. Not too bad: only 2000-2500$ total I don't know about the Alto pres - i've never used them. I started with Mackie preamps and blamed them, along with many other folks on here, for years - just as i did with my VSTs. (Actually I tended to shift the blame in my studio around constantly depending on my mood, LOL). I can tell you that I've gone back to using the Mackies now that I've spent some serious money on microphones and they're not too bad at all. In retrospect I would have not upgraded my Mackie to RNP and put that $500 towards even better microphones. Your Alto's could be a seriously weak link, or not. Same goes for the computer. Room treatment however is a very safe place to invest. Just don't get scammed (it's easy). Read my post in the "what's your job title" thread for other recommendations. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 5, 5:15 pm, "David Grant" wrote:
Better preamp = 500$ Room treatment = 500-1000 for basic treatment. New Computer = 1000$ Monitoring and microphones I think I'm OK for now. Not too bad: only 2000-2500$ total I don't know about the Alto pres - i've never used them. I started with Mackie preamps and blamed them, along with many other folks on here, for years - just as i did with my VSTs. (Actually I tended to shift the blame in my studio around constantly depending on my mood, LOL). I can tell you that I've gone back to using the Mackies now that I've spent some serious money on microphones and they're not too bad at all. In retrospect I would have not upgraded my Mackie to RNP and put that $500 towards even better microphones. Your Alto's could be a seriously weak link, or not. Same goes for the computer. Room treatment however is a very safe place to invest. Just don't get scammed (it's easy). Read my post in the "what's your job title" thread for other recommendations. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. |
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Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. What have you compared them against? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 5, 1:40 pm, "David Grant" wrote:
How are they harder to make sit in the mix? I used to blame my plugins all the time until I got decent microphones, preamps, room treatments, and monitoring. Appropriate room treatment, good microphones, preamps and decent monitoring are all "must have" plugins as David said. Until those are covered the rest is all a waste. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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On 5 oct, 18:05, "David Grant" wrote:
Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. What have you compared them against? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I just have ears. |
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"Julien BH" wrote in message ps.com... On 5 oct, 18:05, "David Grant" wrote: Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. What have you compared them against? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I just have ears. I don't mean to be pushy or rude. You could very well be right, but i'm wondering how it is you can listen to your recordings and know for certain that it's your preamps that are at fault. What string of thoughts led you to believe its them? How have you singled them out? In my experience you have to be very careful in audio about the logic you use to problem solve. I don't doubt that your pres aren't helping any but they might not be as big an issue as you think. Course, there's only one way to know for sure. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 6, 1:08 pm, "David Grant" wrote:
"Julien BH" wrote in message ps.com... On 5 oct, 18:05, "David Grant" wrote: Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. What have you compared them against? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I just have ears. I don't mean to be pushy or rude. You could very well be right, but i'm wondering how it is you can listen to your recordings and know for certain that it's your preamps that are at fault. What string of thoughts led you to believe its them? How have you singled them out? In my experience you have to be very careful in audio about the logic you use to problem solve. I don't doubt that your pres aren't helping any but they might not be as big an issue as you think. Course, there's only one way to know for sure. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I never said it was my biggest hurdle... The main problem is the room. What company offers the best bang for the bucks for room treatment? I want to tame the ugly reverb going on here... |
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I never said it was my biggest hurdle...
Sorry, guess it was my bad assumption. The main problem is the room. What company offers the best bang for the bucks for room treatment? If you're willing to do-it-yourself, that's the cheapest way. It's also not very difficult. Read Ethan Winer's FAQ over at http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html Short story is buy some 4" thick rigid fiberglass and cover in fabric. I've had great results with this stuff. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 9, 6:46 am, Julien BH wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:08 pm, "David Grant" wrote: "Julien BH" wrote in message ups.com... On 5 oct, 18:05, "David Grant" wrote: Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. What have you compared them against? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I just have ears. I don't mean to be pushy or rude. You could very well be right, but i'm wondering how it is you can listen to your recordings and know for certain that it's your preamps that are at fault. What string of thoughts led you to believe its them? How have you singled them out? In my experience you have to be very careful in audio about the logic you use to problem solve. I don't doubt that your pres aren't helping any but they might not be as big an issue as you think. Course, there's only one way to know for sure. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I never said it was my biggest hurdle... The main problem is the room. What company offers the best bang for the bucks for room treatment? I want to tame the ugly reverb going on here...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I second David's recommendation. Visit Ethan's site and prepare to read for awhile. It will be well worth your time. If you don't already have a measurement mic or an equivalent flat omni, get a Behringer ECM8000 so you can quantify your room. Visit: http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/ to find a very useful, free acoustic measurement tool. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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On Oct 9, 12:14 pm, wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:46 am, Julien BH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:08 pm, "David Grant" wrote: "Julien BH" wrote in message ups.com... On 5 oct, 18:05, "David Grant" wrote: Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. What have you compared them against? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I just have ears. I don't mean to be pushy or rude. You could very well be right, but i'm wondering how it is you can listen to your recordings and know for certain that it's your preamps that are at fault. What string of thoughts led you to believe its them? How have you singled them out? In my experience you have to be very careful in audio about the logic you use to problem solve. I don't doubt that your pres aren't helping any but they might not be as big an issue as you think. Course, there's only one way to know for sure. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I never said it was my biggest hurdle... The main problem is the room. What company offers the best bang for the bucks for room treatment? I want to tame the ugly reverb going on here...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I second David's recommendation. Visit Ethan's site and prepare to read for awhile. It will be well worth your time. If you don't already have a measurement mic or an equivalent flat omni, get a Behringer ECM8000 so you can quantify your room. Visit: http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/ to find a very useful, free acoustic measurement tool. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaoshttp://www.bsstudios.com Hey thanks that's some great infos. I already have a EV 635A, will it do the job as a mesurement mic? Thx |
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On Oct 10, 5:21 am, Julien BH wrote:
On Oct 9, 12:14 pm, wrote: On Oct 9, 6:46 am, Julien BH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:08 pm, "David Grant" wrote: "Julien BH" wrote in message ups.com... On 5 oct, 18:05, "David Grant" wrote: Well I can tell you it's not the best pre's on earth from experience. What have you compared them against? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I just have ears. I don't mean to be pushy or rude. You could very well be right, but i'm wondering how it is you can listen to your recordings and know for certain that it's your preamps that are at fault. What string of thoughts led you to believe its them? How have you singled them out? In my experience you have to be very careful in audio about the logic you use to problem solve. I don't doubt that your pres aren't helping any but they might not be as big an issue as you think. Course, there's only one way to know for sure. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I never said it was my biggest hurdle... The main problem is the room. What company offers the best bang for the bucks for room treatment? I want to tame the ugly reverb going on here...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I second David's recommendation. Visit Ethan's site and prepare to read for awhile. It will be well worth your time. If you don't already have a measurement mic or an equivalent flat omni, get a Behringer ECM8000 so you can quantify your room. Visit: http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/ to find a very useful, free acoustic measurement tool. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaoshttp://www.bsstudios.com Hey thanks that's some great infos. I already have a EV 635A, will it do the job as a mesurement mic? Thx- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - While the EV635A is a very useful mic (I have one too that gets a lot of use), it's frequency response curve flat only from 150 Hz to 5 KHz. It has a roll off below 150 Hz where you really need to measure. An ECM8000 will cost around $50 and well worth having for this purpose. You could make a panasonic capsule based mic using parts from Digikey but it may not save that much money. Go here and download the product information for the EV635A and ECM8000 to see the frequency response curves: http://www.electrovoice.com/products/100.html http://www.behringer.com/ECM8000/index.cfm?lang=eng You might create a mic cal curve to put into RoomEQWizard to offset the low frequency roll off. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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On Oct 9, 11:54 am, "David Grant" wrote:
I never said it was my biggest hurdle... Sorry, guess it was my bad assumption. The main problem is the room. What company offers the best bang for the bucks for room treatment? If you're willing to do-it-yourself, that's the cheapest way. It's also not very difficult. Read Ethan Winer's FAQ over athttp://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html Short story is buy some 4" thick rigid fiberglass and cover in fabric. I've had great results with this stuff. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com What size should the fiberglass be? (Not the thickness, but the actual dimensions) |
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"Julien BH" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 9, 11:54 am, "David Grant" wrote: I never said it was my biggest hurdle... Sorry, guess it was my bad assumption. The main problem is the room. What company offers the best bang for the bucks for room treatment? If you're willing to do-it-yourself, that's the cheapest way. It's also not very difficult. Read Ethan Winer's FAQ over athttp://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html Short story is buy some 4" thick rigid fiberglass and cover in fabric. I've had great results with this stuff. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com What size should the fiberglass be? (Not the thickness, but the actual dimensions) I've only seen it in 2'x4' panels, but there might be other options. 2' wide is fairly practical and you won't want bigger than this unless you have lots of room and want really low frequency absorption. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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I second David's recommendation. Visit Ethan's site and prepare to read for awhile. It will be well worth your time. If you don't already have a measurement mic or an equivalent flat omni, get a Behringer ECM8000 so you can quantify your room. Visit: http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/ to find a very useful, free acoustic measurement tool. Also, If you're in Quebec (as I think I recall you saying) you might want to look for OFI-48, which is the Ottawa-manufactured equivalent to OC-703 everyone talks about. http://www.ofigroup.com/products/can...ibre_board.pdf Dave -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 10, 3:47 pm, "David Grant" wrote:
I second David's recommendation. Visit Ethan's site and prepare to read for awhile. It will be well worth your time. If you don't already have a measurement mic or an equivalent flat omni, get a Behringer ECM8000 so you can quantify your room. Visit: http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/ to find a very useful, free acoustic measurement tool. Also, If you're in Quebec (as I think I recall you saying) you might want to look for OFI-48, which is the Ottawa-manufactured equivalent to OC-703 everyone talks about. http://www.ofigroup.com/products/can...gid_fibre_boar... Dave -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Allright thanks for this info, very appreciated. I suppose I'll need some bass trapping too? What can I use for this? Same thing? |
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If you're in Quebec (as I think I recall you saying) you might want to
look for OFI-48, which is the Ottawa-manufactured equivalent to OC-703 everyone talks about. http://www.ofigroup.com/products/can...gid_fibre_boar... Dave -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Allright thanks for this info, very appreciated. I suppose I'll need some bass trapping too? Believe it or not, this is MOSTLY what you will need. Depending on the size of your room you will only need a few panels for mids to highs. Search around for what's an appropriate amount, you don't want to over-deaden. As for bass trapping, you can basically keep on adding panels and keep on improving things (although your free space will diminish quickly!). Bass trapping's not as critical for vocals (I wouldn't imagine... I don't record them often) but for anything containing significant energy @ 200Hz you'll be amazed at what it can do. What can I use for this? Same thing? Same thing, but I suggest going at least 4" thick. For extra benifit fill in behind too, like this fellow (scroll down for pics): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700442 Dave -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:45:07 -0700, Julien BH
wrote: Waves makes some great plugins, but they KILL my CPU. I'd need a new computer too I suppose. (p4 3.0ghz + 1gb ram) I don't know I have a 1.5 ghz with 1gig of ram and I often run several waves plugs, de-ess, rencompress, L3, including full convolutions plus some others like TL EQ1 without much problem. |
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On Oct 10, 11:57 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:45:07 -0700, Julien BH wrote: Waves makes some great plugins, but they KILL my CPU. I'd need a new computer too I suppose. (p4 3.0ghz + 1gb ram) I don't know I have a 1.5 ghz with 1gig of ram and I often run several waves plugs, de-ess, rencompress, L3, including full convolutions plus some others like TL EQ1 without much problem. Maybe it's just the way I use em. I put one effect per channel normally, but I suppose I could use the same plugin for more than one track in cubase? |
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