[Jenn]

A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

A few of my favorite recordings:

London LP ffrr OS 26404 - Highlights from Rigoletto, with Sutherland and
Milnes. Wonderful performance, fine sound from London

Decca CD O Sole Mio: Neopolitan Songs

Decca CD Nessun dorma, Arias and Duets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATmgtmR5o4

RIP

[Jenn]

In article .com,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

[Jenn]

In article . com,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and undeniably great home run hitter?

[Jenn]

In article .com,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,





ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays (sic) standard.
Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

ScottW

I see. Well, thanks for your opinion. I believe that there are
undeniably great performers, events, etc.

[Jenn]

In article om,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:35 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,





ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn
wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays (sic) standard.
Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

ScottW

I see. Well, thanks for your opinion. I believe that there are
undeniably great performers, events, etc.

And you get to select them? How arrogant!

ScottW

Feel free to look up the definitions of "great".

And yes, we ALL get to select them. Most of us feel that the fall of
Hitler was a great event, for example. Pavarotti's ability to sing in
tune, with amazing technique, range, and expressivity is widely
considered to be "great" whether you like the music he sang or not.

[Bill Riel]

In article .com,
says...
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be undeniably
great?

So, what are you saying - are you denying that Pavarotti was a great
tenor?

--
Bill

[Jenn]

In article .com,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article om,





ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:35 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn
wrote:
In article
.com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn
wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time,
but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone
undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays (sic) standard.
Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

ScottW

I see. Well, thanks for your opinion. I believe that there are
undeniably great performers, events, etc.

And you get to select them? How arrogant!

ScottW

Feel free to look up the definitions of "great".

I guess he was "notably large in size".


And yes, we ALL get to select them.

Don't spin. I grant your right to believe he's great.
I object to your claim through undeniability that
a differing opinion has no merit.

Most of us feel that the fall of
Hitler was a great event, for example.

Brett challenges the undeniability of that.

Pavarotti's ability to sing in
tune, with amazing technique, range, and expressivity is widely
considered to be "great" whether you like the music he sang or not.

Widely considered is very different from undeniable.
You're drifting.

ScottW

Whatever. OK, from now on it's "undeniably great for a wide part of the
populace in both subjective and objective aspects of his art."

[George M. Middius]

Terrierdork howls in anguish.

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yet another word Witlessmongrel doesn't comprehend -- "opinion".

[George M. Middius]

Bill Riel said to Witlessmongrel:

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be undeniably
great?

So, what are you saying - are you denying that Pavarotti was a great
tenor?

Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his block.

[George M. Middius]

Witlessmongrel has a different "opinion".

A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

I am denying that it is undeniable.

According to ScottieLogic, all opinions are of equal value. Education,
talent, proficiency, and knowledge are all irrelevant. In a democracy, the
vote of a stupid person cancels out the vote of the best-informed, most
erudite mavens and experts. Scottie "denies" that Pavarottie was great, and
thus it is "proven" that he was not great.

[vlad]

On Sep 6, 9:57 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,



ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article om,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:35 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn
wrote:
In article
.com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn
wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time,
but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone
undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays (sic) standard.
Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

ScottW

I see. Well, thanks for your opinion. I believe that there are
undeniably great performers, events, etc.

And you get to select them? How arrogant!

ScottW

Feel free to look up the definitions of "great".

I guess he was "notably large in size".

And yes, we ALL get to select them.

Don't spin. I grant your right to believe he's great.
I object to your claim through undeniability that
a differing opinion has no merit.

Most of us feel that the fall of
Hitler was a great event, for example.

Brett challenges the undeniability of that.

Pavarotti's ability to sing in
tune, with amazing technique, range, and expressivity is widely
considered to be "great" whether you like the music he sang or not.

Widely considered is very different from undeniable.
You're drifting.

ScottW

Whatever. OK, from now on it's "undeniably great for a wide part of the
populace in both subjective and objective aspects of his art."


It is a great loss for the world.

In my opinion he was a real genius, one of the few of our times. Not
only he was a great tenor,
but he was also a great actor - the quality that many superb singers
of today
do not have or neglect.

I'm going to spend quiet evening today watching DVD of "L'Elisir
D'Amore" with him and Judith Blegen.
His recording with Kathleen Battle has better video, but I prefer this
one.


The Vienna State Opera and the Salzburg Festival Hall flew black flags
in mourning.

London's Royal Opera House issued a statement saying,

"He was one of those rare artists who affected the lives of people
across the globe, in all walks of life.
Through his countless broadcasts, recordings and concerts, he
introduced the extraordinary power of opera
to people who perhaps would never have encountered opera and classical
singing.
In doing so, he enriched their lives. That will be his legacy."

vova

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,





ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Agreed, if someone is really serious about it. OTOH, the phrase "undeniably
great" is often hype, and not intended as a statement of generally agreed
upon fact.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays standard.

That may be true. But in his day, for his day...

Barry is not undeniably great either.

Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

A common failing of your correspondent, Scott. She's a world-class
authority in her own eyes.

[George M. Middius]

MiNe 109 said:

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

All you have to do is stomp your little feet and deny it. Ta-da! You win!

Typical of dunderheaded Scottie to pick a fight over an issue he doesn't
care about. "Opera is for pussies," says Witlessmongrel.

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"ScottW" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,





ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Agreed, if someone is really serious about it. OTOH, the phrase "undeniably
great" is often hype, and not intended as a statement of generally agreed
upon fact.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays standard.

That may be true. But in his day, for his day...

Barry is not undeniably great either.

Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

A common failing of your correspondent, Scott. She's a world-class
authority in her own eyes.

My God, what are the chances? Two of the most intelligent people on
Usenet agreeing about little 'ol me. Arny, you should take your newest
straw man and place it in some cavity or another.

[Jenn]

In article
,
MiNe 109 wrote:

In article

et,
Jenn wrote:

A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

A few of my favorite recordings:

London LP ffrr OS 26404 - Highlights from Rigoletto, with Sutherland and
Milnes. Wonderful performance, fine sound from London

Decca CD O Sole Mio: Neopolitan Songs

Decca CD Nessun dorma, Arias and Duets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATmgtmR5o4

RIP

For me, he was at his best in Tosca. "E lucevan le stelle":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mX7ugJ5NM8

Yeah, I love his Tosca as well. Less well recorded though, IMO.


Less reverent, but kinda amusing:

http://www.rathergood.com/elephants/

The better you hear Italian, the less funny it is, but I like it
nonetheless.

LOL

Stephen

[Jenn]

In article .com,
vlad wrote:

On Sep 6, 9:57 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,



ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article om,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:35 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn
wrote:
In article
. com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn
wrote:
In article
.com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn

wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all
time,
but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer
be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone
undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays (sic) standard.
Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

ScottW

I see. Well, thanks for your opinion. I believe that there are
undeniably great performers, events, etc.

And you get to select them? How arrogant!

ScottW

Feel free to look up the definitions of "great".

I guess he was "notably large in size".

And yes, we ALL get to select them.

Don't spin. I grant your right to believe he's great.
I object to your claim through undeniability that
a differing opinion has no merit.

Most of us feel that the fall of
Hitler was a great event, for example.

Brett challenges the undeniability of that.

Pavarotti's ability to sing in
tune, with amazing technique, range, and expressivity is widely
considered to be "great" whether you like the music he sang or not.

Widely considered is very different from undeniable.
You're drifting.

ScottW

Whatever. OK, from now on it's "undeniably great for a wide part of the
populace in both subjective and objective aspects of his art."


It is a great loss for the world.

In my opinion he was a real genius, one of the few of our times. Not
only he was a great tenor,
but he was also a great actor - the quality that many superb singers
of today
do not have or neglect.

I'm going to spend quiet evening today watching DVD of "L'Elisir
D'Amore" with him and Judith Blegen.
His recording with Kathleen Battle has better video, but I prefer this
one.


The Vienna State Opera and the Salzburg Festival Hall flew black flags
in mourning.

London's Royal Opera House issued a statement saying,

"He was one of those rare artists who affected the lives of people
across the globe, in all walks of life.
Through his countless broadcasts, recordings and concerts, he
introduced the extraordinary power of opera
to people who perhaps would never have encountered opera and classical
singing.
In doing so, he enriched their lives. That will be his legacy."

vova

Agreed, thanks.

[Jenn]

In article . com,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:57 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,





ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article om,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:35 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn
wrote:
In article
. com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn
wrote:
In article
.com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn

wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all
time,
but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer
be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone
undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays (sic) standard.
Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

ScottW

I see. Well, thanks for your opinion. I believe that there are
undeniably great performers, events, etc.

And you get to select them? How arrogant!

ScottW

Feel free to look up the definitions of "great".

I guess he was "notably large in size".

And yes, we ALL get to select them.

Don't spin. I grant your right to believe he's great.
I object to your claim through undeniability that
a differing opinion has no merit.

Most of us feel that the fall of
Hitler was a great event, for example.

Brett challenges the undeniability of that.

Pavarotti's ability to sing in
tune, with amazing technique, range, and expressivity is widely
considered to be "great" whether you like the music he sang or not.

Widely considered is very different from undeniable.
You're drifting.

ScottW

Whatever.

It is undeniable.

OK, from now on it's "undeniably great for a wide part of the
populace

Wanna bet? I doubt that a wide part of the populace gives a crap
about opera.
You're just mad that the pedestal you wish to ascend is eroding.

You're right, I'm just wanting to ascend a pedestal. Very clever of you
to notice.


in both subjective and objective aspects of his art."

What are the "objective" aspects of his art?

Before I bother to answer I just wish to know: is this a troll or do
you really not know?

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

What are the "objective" aspects of his art?

Before I bother to answer I just wish to know: is this a troll or do
you really not know?

It's well known that the length of his beard is a subjective matter.

[dizzy]

ScottW wrote:

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays standard.

All athletes were "relatively poor" by today's standards, including
hitters.

Athletes should be judged by what humans were like at that time, not
what they are like today.

Was Jesse Owens not fast?

[George M. Middius]

Bratzi tries to shake off the stink of the swastika.

Very few opera buffs and authorities-who are the
only ones that count-will say he was not a great opera singer.

I can name one "opera authority" who said Pavarotti was not a great singer
-- Pavarotti himself.

Now see if you can teach Terrierdork to fetch one of Krooger's turds.

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 19:42, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

there are even a few gems to be found in hip hop, songs and artists.

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 20:33, ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:



In article . com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Yes, I'm sure.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?

No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays standard.
Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

ScottW


no other 'fat man' of his era even came close.
much less any 'fit man'.

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 21:26, George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast . net
wrote:


Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his block.

LOL!!!!

make no mistake about it, Scott is my friend, and i like him a lot,
but, that was a
really witty line, George, even though i disagree with it.

[Clyde Slick]

On 6 Sep, 21:36, ScottW wrote:


I am denying that it is undeniable.

and your denial is undeniable

[Arny Krueger]

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 6, 2:49 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message

oups.com...



On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article
.com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn
wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Agreed, if someone is really serious about it. OTOH, the phrase
"undeniably
great" is often hype, and not intended as a statement of generally agreed
upon fact.

Oh, there certainly those who are "undeniably great" in the sense
it's undeniable a great number of knowledgeable people think they are
significant and of the highest caliber. Always there are people who
will prefer someone to someone else. But it's certain that Wayne
Gretzky and Gordie Howe were great hockey players, that Alan
Blumlein and Edwin Armstrong were great electronic engineers, that
John von Neumann was a great computer scientist, etc. In that sense
it's undeniable.


So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?
No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays standard.

That may be true. But in his day, for his day...

Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

A common failing of your correspondent, Scott. She's a world-class
authority in her own eyes.

Pot. Kettle. Kroo.

You need to get out more, Bret. Get out more and find out what world-class
authorities are *really* like.

[Clyde Slick]

On 7 Sep, 14:24, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Sep 6, 2:49 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message

groups.com...

On Sep 6, 10:13 am, Jenn wrote:
In article . com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:42 am, Jenn wrote:
In article
.com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:20 am, Jenn
wrote:
A great, great artist. Not my favorite tenor of all time, but
undeniably great.

Since opera is not undeniably great, can an opera singer be
undeniably
great?

ScottW

Yes

Pavarotti aside, the idea that anyone can declare someone undeniably
great is more than a bit arrogant IMO.

Agreed, if someone is really serious about it. OTOH, the phrase
"undeniably
great" is often hype, and not intended as a statement of generally agreed
upon fact.

Oh, there certainly those who are "undeniably great" in the sense
it's undeniable a great number of knowledgeable people think they are
significant and of the highest caliber. Always there are people who
will prefer someone to someone else. But it's certain that Wayne
Gretzky and Gordie Howe were great hockey players, that Alan
Blumlein and Edwin Armstrong were great electronic engineers, that
John von Neumann was a great computer scientist, etc. In that sense
it's undeniable.

So was Babe Ruth and (sic) undeniably great home run hitter?
No, he was fat man who faced relatively poor pitching
by todays standard.

That may be true. But in his day, for his day...

Barry is not undeniably great either.
Claims of undeniability on a subjective matter is to claim
supremacy of opinion.

A common failing of your correspondent, Scott. She's a world-class
authority in her own eyes.

Pot. Kettle. Kroo.

You need to get out more, Bret. Get out more and find out what world-class
authorities are *really* like.

You can tell them apart by the brown stains at the rear of their
pants.

[Jenn]

In article .com,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 6, 2:30 pm, Jenn wrote:



in both subjective and objective aspects of his art."

What are the "objective" aspects of his art?

Before I bother to answer I just wish to know: is this a troll or do
you really not know?

No troll. I'm curious how art is objectively evaluated.

ScottW

Many aspects of technique are measurable objectively. Pitch accuracy,
volume, length of phrase, for example.

[Jenn]

In article .com,
ScottW wrote:

On Sep 7, 1:01 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article .com,

ScottW wrote:
On Sep 6, 2:30 pm, Jenn wrote:

in both subjective and objective aspects of his art."

What are the "objective" aspects of his art?

Before I bother to answer I just wish to know: is this a troll or do
you really not know?

No troll. I'm curious how art is objectively evaluated.

ScottW

Many aspects of technique are measurable objectively. Pitch accuracy,
volume, length of phrase, for example.

Has it ever been done?

Sure. One can take samples of recordings from, say, Audacity, and see
how close pitch is matched. Or once can consult someone with really
really good pitch sense. One can also time length of phrases and volume
in the normal ways.

I found an interesting brief discussion here
of a method of analysis of singers voice including an example of
Paverotti, but I find no reference indicating that an objective
analysis has ever been done that statistically shows Pavsrottis voice
is exceptional.
Can you point to such a reference?

Don't know if they are available on the web. I see such things in
scholarly books and journals, but I'll look around.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his block.

make no mistake about it, Scott is my friend, and i like him a lot,

I can't believe you admit such a thing in public.

[Clyde Slick]

On 8 Sep, 04:59, George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast . net
wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his block.
make no mistake about it, Scott is my friend, and i like him a lot,

I can't believe you admit such a thing in public.

i can't speak for Boon, but i would imagine he would say the same
thing as I.
difference is, we both know Scott personally, and you don't.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his block.
make no mistake about it, Scott is my friend, and i like him a lot,

I can't believe you admit such a thing in public.

difference is, we both know Scott personally, and you don't.

If he's so sweet in person, why is he such a schmuck on Usenet? Don't tell
us he's jealous of all the "attention" Krooger gets.

[Clyde Slick]

On 8 Sep, 20:08, George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast . net
wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his block.
make no mistake about it, Scott is my friend, and i like him a lot,
I can't believe you admit such a thing in public.
difference is, we both know Scott personally, and you don't.

If he's so sweet in person, why is he such a schmuck on Usenet? Don't tell
us he's jealous of all the "attention" Krooger gets.

If jealous of anyone, it would be JA.
Scott is a subjectivist, he thinks its alright for
hobbyists like him, but he thinks that reviewers
need to be objectivists.
I don't understand why he holds reviewers to a LOWER standard.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his block.

make no mistake about it, Scott is my friend, and i like him a lot,

I can't believe you admit such a thing in public.

difference is, we both know Scott personally, and you don't.

If he's so sweet in person, why is he such a schmuck on Usenet? Don't tell
us he's jealous of all the "attention" Krooger gets.

If jealous of anyone, it would be JA.
Scott is a subjectivist, he thinks its alright for
hobbyists like him, but he thinks that reviewers
need to be objectivists.
I don't understand why he holds reviewers to a LOWER standard.

I'm not going to try to parse that.

Why is he such a schmuck on Usenet?

[George M. Middius]

Witless lied:

If he's so sweet in person, why is he such a schmuck on Usenet?

I am a cordial hospitable person.

You're a petulant, neurotic, tiny-minded baby. Ask anybody.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 6, 12:53 pm, ScottW wrote:

Widely considered is very different from undeniable.
You're drifting.

You're an imbecile.

So where does that leave us?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 2:35 pm, "ScottW" wrote:
"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in messagenews:5nl5e35eugvunv5t41iaahtechd9evu3nd@4ax .com...



Clyde Slick said:

Scottie is always the last dog to realize the mailman has left his
block.
make no mistake about it, Scott is my friend, and i like him a lot,

I can't believe you admit such a thing in public.

difference is, we both know Scott personally, and you don't.

If he's so sweet in person, why is he such a schmuck on Usenet?

I am a cordial hospitable person. But I don't have to always agree
with my friends to remain friends.
For instance, Art and I don't agree at all on an acceptable noise
floor of tube preamps . Boon and I aren't going to agree on the Shunyata
or even using subwoofers.
But I always have fun visiting his place checking out the awesome
variety of gear he has and I hope he and Art had fun
visiting mine. Too bad both moved away but that's life.

So both met you and moved away.

Does this not tell you something?

using 2pid 'logic' here...

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

Widely considered is very different from undeniable.
You're drifting.

You're an imbecile.

Scottie needs a clear and unambiguous definition of imbecile so that he can
argue it's "very different" from retard.

So where does that leave us?

We Normals are looking down toward the bottom of the gene pool. Scottie is
looking up for some encouragement from Krooger.

[Sander deWaal]

"ScottW" said:


Atkinson ****ed me off as he intentionally misrepresented
what I've said in Sanderlike leftist nutterism.


???

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- Maggies are an addiction for life. -

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 2:49 pm, "ScottW" wrote:

I simply think a reviewer who subjects himself to little objective validation
would be helpful to sorting the signal from the noise.

One of these days I'll embark on a quest for the last speaker
I'll ever own. Sadly, I'm not looking forward to the smoke
inhalation I'll have to endure.

That's because you're an imbecile.

Objective reviews of speakers are nearly worthless. What sounds great
in one room may sound like crap in another.

Don't you trust your ears, 2pid? I wouldn't either, if I was you. The
processor they're connected to isn't functioning very well.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
oups.com...


Objective reviews of speakers are nearly worthless. What sounds great
in one room may sound like crap in another.

If you had two active brain cells 2 rub 2gther 2pid**2, you'd know that
makes all subjective reviews at least as invalid.