[nospam[_2_]]

Hello all,

I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding" a ringing
sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo wave file to the CD
formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio). I thought that the ringing was in
my mixdown and then I also heard on the vibe's track.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder, what do the
pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion could possibly alter the
sound? What software application do u use?

Thanks,
bruce

[Richard Crowley]

"nospam" wrote ...
I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding" a
ringing sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo wave file
to the CD formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio). I thought that the
ringing was in my mixdown and then I also heard on the vibe's track.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder, what do the
pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion could possibly alter
the sound? What software application do u use?

That seems extraordinarly bizzare. You are sure you were using
a native 16-bit 44.1KH sample-rate WAV file for a source and not
some compressed format like MP3, etc.?

[Scott Dorsey]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"nospam" wrote ...
I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding" a
ringing sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo wave file
to the CD formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio). I thought that the
ringing was in my mixdown and then I also heard on the vibe's track.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder, what do the
pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion could possibly alter
the sound? What software application do u use?

That seems extraordinarly bizzare. You are sure you were using
a native 16-bit 44.1KH sample-rate WAV file for a source and not
some compressed format like MP3, etc.?

I discovered a similar thing with iTunes, until I learned to turn off the
"sound enhancer" which is enabled by default. I don't know WHO decides to
set the default this way.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ...
"nospam" wrote ...
I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding" a
ringing sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo wave file
to the CD formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio). I thought that the
ringing was in my mixdown and then I also heard on the vibe's track.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder, what do the
pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion could possibly alter
the sound? What software application do u use?

That seems extraordinarly bizzare. You are sure you were using
a native 16-bit 44.1KH sample-rate WAV file for a source and not
some compressed format like MP3, etc.?


I agree... sounds almost impossible.

Use CD Architect.

[Arny Krueger]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"nospam" wrote ...
I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding" a
ringing sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo wave
file to the CD formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio). I thought that
the ringing was in my mixdown and then I also heard on the vibe's track.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder, what do the
pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion could possibly alter
the sound? What software application do u use?

That seems extraordinarly bizzare.

Last time I tried to burn "bit perfect" CDs with Roxio, I got good results.

You are sure you were using
a native 16-bit 44.1KH sample-rate WAV file for a source and not
some compressed format like MP3, etc.?

Possible cause.

[nospam[_2_]]

Eek. The wave file had a audio samplerate of 48k and not 44.1. (16bit and
stereo).
The Roxio version I was using was old - version 5 (came with my Dell).
I installed the latest Nero (v7) and it correct the problem.

So, maybe the latest Roxio works.

My questions is what do the "pros" use or do for this situation?
What app?
Do you convert the file to 44.1k CD format and then burn?


"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"nospam" wrote ...
I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding" a
ringing sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo wave
file to the CD formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio). I thought that
the ringing was in my mixdown and then I also heard on the vibe's track.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder, what do the
pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion could possibly alter
the sound? What software application do u use?

That seems extraordinarly bizzare. You are sure you were using
a native 16-bit 44.1KH sample-rate WAV file for a source and not
some compressed format like MP3, etc.?

[Richard Crowley]

"nospam" wrote ...
Eek. The wave file had a audio samplerate of 48k and not 44.1. (16bit and
stereo).

That would be suspect numero uno in my world.

The Roxio version I was using was old - version 5 (came with my Dell).
I installed the latest Nero (v7) and it correct the problem.

So, maybe the latest Roxio works.

Or it was upgraded with a better down-conversion algorithm.

My questions is what do the "pros" use or do for this situation?
What app?

People here use lots of different applications. From very pricey
professional apps to free- (or very-cheap-) ware. But we tend
to always feed them 16-bit and 44.1KHz sample-rate files to
avoid the possible artifacts that the CD burning software might
do when it has to down-sample for the CD Red Book standard.

Do you convert the file to 44.1k CD format and then burn?

If you don't, you run into problems such as you are hearing.

[Geoff]

Richard Crowley wrote:

Do you convert the file to 44.1k CD format and then burn?

If you don't, you run into problems such as you are hearing.

Not if you use CD Architect. You can use almost any source media (bit
depth, sample rate, wav, mp3, etc) and it automatically converts in the burn
cycle.

geoff

[Richard Crowley]

"Geoff" wrote ...
Richard Crowley wrote:
Do you convert the file to 44.1k CD format and then burn?

If you don't, you run into problems such as you are hearing.

Not if you use CD Architect. You can use almost any source media (bit
depth, sample rate, wav, mp3, etc) and it automatically converts in the
burn cycle.

Duh. Any application that burns standard Red-Book audio CDs
must convert to 16-bit and 44.1KHz sample-rate. I was not saying
that you MUST convert, I was saying that it is more desirable to
do the conversion before feeding it to the cd burning application.

The problem is that you are at the mercy of whatever conversion
method the writers of the cd burning application chose to use.
In the case of the OP, it apparently wasn't a very good one.

That is why it is better to do whatever conversion yourself before
feeding it to the cd burning application so that you are sure of
how it is being done, and the quality, etc.

[Paul Stamler]

"nospam" wrote in message news:L33Di.868$eD5.544@trnddc07...
Eek. The wave file had a audio samplerate of 48k and not 44.1. (16bit and
stereo).
The Roxio version I was using was old - version 5 (came with my Dell).
I installed the latest Nero (v7) and it correct the problem.

So, maybe the latest Roxio works.

My questions is what do the "pros" use or do for this situation?
What app?
Do you convert the file to 44.1k CD format and then burn?

Yes. I'm still using an ancient version of Roxio which won't auto-convert,
so it *has* to be 16-bit 44.1k. Of course, I usually record at 44.1k 24-bit
anyway, so all I need to do is dither down to 16 bits and I'm ready to burn.

I also use Nero Express. I think I've maybe had two bad discs in the couple
of years I've used it. It's annoying that it defaults to having spaces
between the tracks on an audio disc, but I've developed the reflex habit of
clicking the box for "Remove Spaces".

Peace,
Paul

[Scott Dorsey]

In article L33Di.868$eD5.544@trnddc07, nospam wrote:
Eek. The wave file had a audio samplerate of 48k and not 44.1. (16bit and
stereo).
The Roxio version I was using was old - version 5 (came with my Dell).
I installed the latest Nero (v7) and it correct the problem.

So, maybe the latest Roxio works.

My questions is what do the "pros" use or do for this situation?
What app?
Do you convert the file to 44.1k CD format and then burn?

If it were me, I'd use a hardware converter, but that's just because I
know that my hardware converter works properly and I know what it sounds
like. There are plenty of sample rate conversion systems out there. The
good ones are very good (but may not be realtime). The bad ones, as you
have noted, are not so good.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

In article 2W1Di.7383$sf1.7301@trnddc01, nospam wrote:

I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding" a ringing
sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo wave file to the CD
formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio). I thought that the ringing was in
my mixdown and then I also heard on the vibe's track.

That's bizarre. Rip the disk that has the ringing sound, and do a bit for
bit comparison with the original file. Something bad is happening, and my
guess is it's something you can turn off.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder, what do the
pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion could possibly alter the
sound? What software application do u use?

There are lots of applications that promise and deliver bit-for-bit accuracy
and proper subcode. Nero should do it, and I know GEAR does. I am surprised
Roxio doesn't.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Peter Larsen]

nospam wrote:

I just discovered that the Roxio CD burning software was "adding"
a ringing sound to a guitar track - when going from a 16bit stereo
wave file to the CD formatted disc ( I guess Red Book audio).

Was this Roxio on its own or Roxio via Media (Bill knows what's good for
ya) Player?

I thought that the ringing was in my mixdown and then I also heard
on the vibe's track.

OK, so you burned a CD and it got changed in burning. I have had that
happen once, and once only, I trusted Media Player with the burning.

I tried Nero v7 and the ringing went away. So now I wonder,
what do the pros use to burn CD audio tracks if the conversion
could possibly alter the sound?

When you say this, then I start thinking that mebbe it wasn't a wave
file you started out withæ.

What software application do u use?

I use Feurio and I feed it files in the proper format.

bruce


Kind regards

Peter Larsen