(Ty Ford) wrote in message ...
In Article ,
(Mitaic) wrote:
I am sure someone would have an opinion on this...

For what purpose? Location, editing, mixing, V/O, casual listening?

He seemed pretty clear on this point to me:

I currently do not have a pair of decent cans and I am looking
for a pair that will serve the primary purpose of DJing, and a
siginifcant use for listening to other sources (TV, music on
subways, among other types of music).

To the original poster:

I have a couple of 7506's and while they aren't super high fidelity,
they are fairly comfortable and non-fatiguing to my ears. They
fold up small enough to be reasonably portable, too.

If you're DJ'ing, though, you might want to think about Sony's
"DJ" series (V-7000, I think). They're supposed to have better
(well, more) bass output and might have better isolation than
7506's. This helps for beat mixing or if your speakers are
far enough away that there's a time lag to screw with your
mix timing.

-DrBoom

In Article , "Geoff Wood"
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"DrBoom" wrote in message

I have a couple of 7506's and while they aren't super high fidelity,
they are fairly comfortable and non-fatiguing to my ears. They
fold up small enough to be reasonably portable, too.

If you're DJ'ing, though, you might want to think about Sony's
"DJ" series (V-7000, I think). They're supposed to have better
(well, more) bass output and might have better isolation than
7506's. This helps for beat mixing or if your speakers are
far enough away that there's a time lag to screw with your
mix timing.

Sure they are 7506s ? I can't imagine mine being described as lacking in
bass (any more might be totally unrealistic), or non-fatiguing to listen to
(unless upper mid-deaf already !) .....

;-)

geoff


And the 7506 have quite a sensitivity @ 60 Hz as well. If you want or need
more bass than that, I'd have a hearing test first.

More bass than the 7506 would indeed be more fatiguing. The question you
have to answer is whether you want a smooth ride, an accurate ride or one
that will give you a lot of over focused detail.

Smooth ride: Sennheiser 600, AKG 1000
Accurate ride: Grados
Over-focuse detail: MDR7506

Regards,

Ty Ford

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Just got a set of the Senn HD 280 pro's and returned them the same day.
Big 5 db drop in the midrange starting at 2.5k up to 10k.

While the 32db claimed isolation seemed to work they were very
uncomfortable to wear. Replaced them with another set of Sony 7506's.

Eric

"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message ...

[...]

Sure they are 7506s ? I can't imagine mine being described as lacking in
bass (any more might be totally unrealistic), or non-fatiguing to listen to
(unless upper mid-deaf already !) .....

Perhaps I should clarify:

There's more bass than you need for critical listening, but for DJ use you
(or at least *I*) probably want something with even more hyped low
bass to make cue track beats audible over a slamming PA subwoofer.
Better isolation is helpful, too, but you get so much low bass bleed from
bone conduction that sometimes you just need something that can
work like a bass shaker for your cranium.

As far as fatigue, I mostly mean in the comfort sense. I don't usually
drive headphones to a high enough level to cause any kind of hearing
fatigue, nor do I use them for critical listening -- they're mostly a
head-mounted "do not disturb" sign. :-)

-DrBoom

Eric Toline wrote:

Just got a set of the Senn HD 280 pro's and returned them the same day.
Big 5 db drop in the midrange starting at 2.5k up to 10k.

How did you measure this?



While the 32db claimed isolation seemed to work they were very
uncomfortable to wear. Replaced them with another set of Sony 7506's.

Different 'phones for different heads. I find them tight but
manageable. Anything less tight lacks isolation IME.

(Ty Ford) wrote in message ...
In Article , "Geoff Wood"
-nospam wrote:

"DrBoom" wrote in message

I have a couple of 7506's and while they aren't super high fidelity,
they are fairly comfortable and non-fatiguing to my ears. They
fold up small enough to be reasonably portable, too.

If you're DJ'ing, though, you might want to think about Sony's
"DJ" series (V-7000, I think). They're supposed to have better
(well, more) bass output and might have better isolation than
7506's. This helps for beat mixing or if your speakers are
far enough away that there's a time lag to screw with your
mix timing.

Sure they are 7506s ? I can't imagine mine being described as lacking in
bass (any more might be totally unrealistic), or non-fatiguing to listen to
(unless upper mid-deaf already !) .....

;-)

geoff


And the 7506 have quite a sensitivity @ 60 Hz as well. If you want or need
more bass than that, I'd have a hearing test first.

60Hz is low? Some of the techno stuff the original poster is talking about
would sound like a click track if you did a 60Hz highpass. I realize that
the "beat" is usually centered higher than that, but I've got a couple of
CD's around here with bottom octave bass lines that just make 7506's
spazz out.

More bass than the 7506 would indeed be more fatiguing.

To you, maybe. I can listen to boom, boom, boom all day (see my nom
de net) but loud mids and highs make me reach for earplugs fairly
quickly.

The question you have to answer is whether you want a smooth ride,
an accurate ride or one that will give you a lot of over focused detail.

Horses for courses, yes indeedy.

-DrBoom

Choosing btwn Sony MDR-7506 and Sennheiser HD-280 pro

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Wed, Jul 2, 2003, 10:32am (EDT-3) From:
(Kurt=A0Albershardt)
Eric Toline wrote:
Just got a set of the Senn HD 280 pro's and returned them the same day.
Big 5 db drop in the midrange starting at 2.5k up to 10k.

How did you measure this?

Didn't have to. That's what the frequency plot in the user guide showed.
I guess ror music listening they're fine but not for location dialog
recording, Isolation not withstanding.

Eric





While the 32db claimed isolation seemed to work they were very
uncomfortable to wear. Replaced them with another set of Sony 7506's.
Different 'phones for different heads. I find them tight but manageable.
Anything less tight lacks isolation IME.

In article writes:

Big 5 db drop in the midrange starting at 2.5k up to 10k.
How did you measure this?

Didn't have to. That's what the frequency plot in the user guide showed.

Oh, well if they showed that as a dip, they probably smoothed over the
really embarassing stuff. I wouldn't believe a published frequency
resonse plot for any electro-acoustic transducer unless it was from a
reliable lab test. But if you didn't like the way they sounded for
your application, that's what counts. You DID listen to them didn't
you?



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

Choosing btwn Sony MDR-7506 and Sennheiser HD-280 pro

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Wed, Jul 2, 2003, 9:57pm From:
(Mike=A0Rivers)
In article
writes:
Big 5 db drop in the midrange starting at 2.5k up to 10k.
How did you measure this?
Didn't have to. That's what the frequency plot in the user guide showed.

Oh, well if they showed that as a dip, they probably smoothed over the
really embarassing stuff. I wouldn't believe a published frequency
resonse plot for any electro-acoustic transducer unless it was from a
reliable lab test. But if you didn't like the way they sounded for your
application, that's what counts. You DID listen to them didn't
you?

Yes and I also found that the low end had a kind of strange quality that
I attribute to the drivers being further from the ear (about 1') than
the Sony 7506 where the drivers are much closer to the ear.

For the kind of work that I use head phones for, dialog recording for
film & TV, a dip in the midrange just dosn't cut it.


Eric





--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

"Ty Ford" wrote in message


Smooth ride: Sennheiser 600, AKG 1000
Accurate ride: Grados
Over-focuse detail: MDR7506

Actually I like the 7506 bass best ( coud *swear* it flaps my trouser legs
.....) , but overall I like the AKG K240S (new version) far better than my
K270s/7506 for extended listening.


geoff.

"Eric Toline" wrote in message
...

Choosing btwn Sony MDR-7506 and Sennheiser HD-280 pro

Why not buy both. I'm sure you can buy the pair for $150.

Norm Strong

Yeah but how do they sound? Which model?


I was presented with a pair of the new AKG phones. Altough they are more
efficient than the previous models, you still need a VERY healthy amp to
push them. Like the closed backs and auto cut-off switch though.

Regards,

Ty Ford

DrBoom wrote:
Better isolation is helpful, too, but you get so much low bass bleed
from bone conduction that sometimes you just need something that can
work like a bass shaker for your cranium.

ever tried a clip-on bone conduction transducer? (:

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"david" wrote in message news:050720030112286443%

I was presented with a pair of the new AKG phones. Altough they are more
efficient than the previous models, you still need a VERY healthy amp to
push them. Like the closed backs and auto cut-off switch though.



So does the S sound like the M model or do they sound different??

Sure would be nice to have a more efficient but same sounding 240.

Not being familiar with the 'M' , I can't say.

I gather that owing to the lower impedence (which AKG marketing dept seems
to find an end in itself) they go louder, and with lower distortion.

However they could be tricky to drive because of that same '55 Ohm' thing.
My desk, domestic CD players, and homemade 5523 headphone amp have no
trouble, but my discman caves in on peaks.

geoff

I

In article , david
writes:

So does the S sound like the M model or do they sound different??

Sure would be nice to have a more efficient but same sounding 240.


Not a huge difference but I think the older M model sounds better. Also I dont
think the newer model is all that much more efficient than the old one. I'm a
bit dissapointed with the S model.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

Actually I quite liked the AKG K1000. They require a power amp (really).
I drove them with an old Dynaco power amp and heard things on some
recordings I'd never heard before.

Like severe midrange resonances. Honk, honk, honk!

In article writes:

Ha! The new ones I have are the K271. About 10dB more sensitive than the
older ones due to an impeadnce differance, but they're still not as
sensitive as the MDR7506.

They also have a detachable cord that plugs into the left earcup and a
micrswitch that turns the phones off when you take them off. Have you ever
blown up a set of phones because you forgot they were plugged in and someone
wnated to listen to the mix or solo REALLY LOUD.

No, but I've had singers who want to hold one earphone over one ear
and let the other one dangle. Do you have to hold your head a special
way to get the headphones to turn on in that mode?



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

Actually I quite liked the AKG K1000. They require a power amp (really). I
drove them with an old Dynaco power amp and heard things on some recordings
I'd never heard before. I don't think most of us were ready for the K1000
when the came out.

Unfortunate choice of model number, though. People might think it refers to a
certain microphone.


Scott Fraser

In Article , "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:
Actually I quite liked the AKG K1000. They require a power amp (really).
I drove them with an old Dynaco power amp and heard things on some
recordings I'd never heard before.

Like severe midrange resonances. Honk, honk, honk!

Not on the ones I tried. I think they went through an evolution during their
early life.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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