Hello,

I will be getting a TLM103 soon and it will be my main vocal mic. At
the same time I will be getting a pre that will hopefully compliment
the 103 as much as possible.
Budget isn't really an issue here, but from what I have read the 103
can be a bit finicky about what pre is used.
The RNP has been described as an "aggressive"? pre, and Ty Ford has
said that the HHB Radius 40 tames the highs and lows of the 103?
My main concern is that of sibilance which I have heard the 103
described as having from a few. The main vocalists I am working with
now are a somewhat sibilant female pop, and a very deep and very
powerful county vocalist (Hank Jr from hell, in a good way if there is
such a thing.)

Anybody else heard the HHB/103 used together?

Ty if you read this, when you achieved this result with the HHB Radius
40 were you only using the pre or were you using the compressor etc
that's built into it? Any audio samples? How would you rate the
separate components of the HHB Radius 40 (Pre compressor etc)? In
general does the HHB rate well with Great River, RNP, etc? Lastly,
where can the HHB Radius 40 be purchased from in the U.S.A (I live in
southern Indiana)? Ordering online is fine. If I go with the RNP I
will purchase it from Mercenary.
Later on I plan on getting at least one somewhat neutral Pre (GR
probably), but I am wanting my first decent pre to be as safe a bet as
possible with the 103 (fit in mix well, sibilance etc.) As my mic
closet grows I have no problem if this Pre is limited with other mics.

Thanks in advance,
Higgs

I recently compared 4 pre-amps/voice processors with matched TLM103 units.
I loved the Great River and Avalon
I liked the Focusrite Platium Voicemaster Pro
I also liked the HHB Radius 50
The RNP was good, not as smooth as the others

For HHB in the USA and a real review....

http://www.audiomedia.com/archive/re...us-0799-hhb.ht
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RON CHARLES


"Higgs" wrote in message
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Hello,

I will be getting a TLM103 soon and it will be my main vocal mic. At
the same time I will be getting a pre that will hopefully compliment
the 103 as much as possible.
Budget isn't really an issue here, but from what I have read the 103
can be a bit finicky about what pre is used.
The RNP has been described as an "aggressive"? pre, and Ty Ford has
said that the HHB Radius 40 tames the highs and lows of the 103?
My main concern is that of sibilance which I have heard the 103
described as having from a few. The main vocalists I am working with
now are a somewhat sibilant female pop, and a very deep and very
powerful county vocalist (Hank Jr from hell, in a good way if there is
such a thing.)

Anybody else heard the HHB/103 used together?

Ty if you read this, when you achieved this result with the HHB Radius
40 were you only using the pre or were you using the compressor etc
that's built into it? Any audio samples? How would you rate the
separate components of the HHB Radius 40 (Pre compressor etc)? In
general does the HHB rate well with Great River, RNP, etc? Lastly,
where can the HHB Radius 40 be purchased from in the U.S.A (I live in
southern Indiana)? Ordering online is fine. If I go with the RNP I
will purchase it from Mercenary.
Later on I plan on getting at least one somewhat neutral Pre (GR
probably), but I am wanting my first decent pre to be as safe a bet as
possible with the 103 (fit in mix well, sibilance etc.) As my mic
closet grows I have no problem if this Pre is limited with other mics.

Thanks in advance,
Higgs

Make an effort to test drive a Millennia HV-3b.I use it with my TLM-103
on piano and it sounds pretty amazing.Also sounds great on solo acoustic
guitar.

In Higgs wrote:
Hello,

I will be getting a TLM103 soon and it will be my main vocal mic. At
the same time I will be getting a pre that will hopefully compliment
the 103 as much as possible.
Budget isn't really an issue here, but from what I have read the 103
can be a bit finicky about what pre is used.
The RNP has been described as an "aggressive"? pre, and Ty Ford has
said that the HHB Radius 40 tames the highs and lows of the 103?
My main concern is that of sibilance which I have heard the 103
described as having from a few. The main vocalists I am working with
now are a somewhat sibilant female pop, and a very deep and very
powerful county vocalist (Hank Jr from hell, in a good way if there is
such a thing.)

Anybody else heard the HHB/103 used together?

Ty if you read this, when you achieved this result with the HHB Radius
40 were you only using the pre or were you using the compressor etc
that's built into it? Any audio samples? How would you rate the
separate components of the HHB Radius 40 (Pre compressor etc)? In
general does the HHB rate well with Great River, RNP, etc? Lastly,
where can the HHB Radius 40 be purchased from in the U.S.A (I live in
southern Indiana)? Ordering online is fine. If I go with the RNP I
will purchase it from Mercenary.
Later on I plan on getting at least one somewhat neutral Pre (GR
probably), but I am wanting my first decent pre to be as safe a bet as
possible with the 103 (fit in mix well, sibilance etc.) As my mic
closet grows I have no problem if this Pre is limited with other mics.

Thanks in advance,
Higgs

In article ,
(Higgs) writes:

I will be getting a TLM103 soon and it will be my main vocal mic. At
the same time I will be getting a pre that will hopefully compliment
the 103 as much as possible.
Budget isn't really an issue here, but from what I have read the 103
can be a bit finicky about what pre is used.
The RNP has been described as an "aggressive"? pre, and Ty Ford has
said that the HHB Radius 40 tames the highs and lows of the 103?

I have called the RNP aggresive although I have never meant that to say that it
is edgy or harsh in any way. It does seem to move a sound forward in the mix
though and for vocals this is usually desirable.
I'm not nuts about the 103 as a vocal mic and I have never tried it with the
RNP on vocals but it might be a good combo. On the other hand, the Great River
with the 103 is just too bright for my taste. I love the Great River, use it
every day, but not usually for lead vocals as it just seems a bit too honest
most of the time. The RNP seems to smooth things out a bit.
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

I have a Great river MP2 that i've never thought as too bright
more so a smooth solid midrange , but mine has the lundahl
xl input transformer another nice option for those without
enough !

I don't have a 103 to respond to the original question .

regards Greg

Garthrr wrote:

In article ,
(Higgs) writes:

I will be getting a TLM103 soon and it will be my main vocal mic. At
the same time I will be getting a pre that will hopefully compliment
the 103 as much as possible.
Budget isn't really an issue here, but from what I have read the 103
can be a bit finicky about what pre is used.
The RNP has been described as an "aggressive"? pre, and Ty Ford has
said that the HHB Radius 40 tames the highs and lows of the 103?

I have called the RNP aggresive although I have never meant that to say that it
is edgy or harsh in any way. It does seem to move a sound forward in the mix
though and for vocals this is usually desirable.
I'm not nuts about the 103 as a vocal mic and I have never tried it with the
RNP on vocals but it might be a good combo. On the other hand, the Great River
with the 103 is just too bright for my taste. I love the Great River, use it
every day, but not usually for lead vocals as it just seems a bit too honest
most of the time. The RNP seems to smooth things out a bit.
Garth~

"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

In Article ,
(Higgs) wrote:
Hello,

I will be getting a TLM103 soon and it will be my main vocal mic. At
the same time I will be getting a pre that will hopefully compliment
the 103 as much as possible.
Budget isn't really an issue here, but from what I have read the 103
can be a bit finicky about what pre is used.
The RNP has been described as an "aggressive"? pre, and Ty Ford has
said that the HHB Radius 40 tames the highs and lows of the 103?
My main concern is that of sibilance which I have heard the 103
described as having from a few. The main vocalists I am working with
now are a somewhat sibilant female pop, and a very deep and very
powerful county vocalist (Hank Jr from hell, in a good way if there is
such a thing.)

Anybody else heard the HHB/103 used together?

Ty if you read this, when you achieved this result with the HHB Radius
40 were you only using the pre or were you using the compressor etc
that's built into it? Any audio samples? How would you rate the
separate components of the HHB Radius 40 (Pre compressor etc)? In
general does the HHB rate well with Great River, RNP, etc? Lastly,
where can the HHB Radius 40 be purchased from in the U.S.A (I live in
southern Indiana)? Ordering online is fine. If I go with the RNP I
will purchase it from Mercenary.
Later on I plan on getting at least one somewhat neutral Pre (GR
probably), but I am wanting my first decent pre to be as safe a bet as
possible with the 103 (fit in mix well, sibilance etc.) As my mic
closet grows I have no problem if this Pre is limited with other mics.

Thanks in advance,
Higgs

Hi Higgs,

I may have used the internal compressor, but my comments about the Radius 40
taming the top and bottom were without the compressor. I was truly shocked
at how meaty the TLM 103 sounded through that preamp. It was totally UNlike
any other preamp I'd run the TLM 103 through.

As to the problem of sibilance, this would certainly help in situations
where you'd be using the TLM 103. My preference is that sibilance should be
corrected at the source whenever possible. 4-6 sessions with a good speeach
therapist can do wonders. I've yet to hear a de-esser that doesn't impart
some sort of sound, but the de-esser in ProTools LE does a pretty nice job.

The Radius 40 woun't sound as open as the Great River, but then you're back
into sibilance problems. Consider the Radius 40 a character preamp; darkish
but not really in a bad way. If you want DC to light, it's not for you.

If this is your first "big mic", be aware that the low selfnoise of the TLM
103 will reveal noises you never heard before in your studio. It's generous
cardioid pattern will also let you hear more of your space. That may or may
not be a good thing.

What I'm saying is, this mic is s BIG step up for lots of folks. With wide
open preamps, expect to make some changes to your acoustics and noise
isolation. In the end that will improve everything you record. So consider
the TLM 103 a great mic and an acoustic diagnostic tool. I have two. I
like them a lot.


Don't know who sells the HHB.

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford

I am still very happy with the TLM-103 / VMP-2 combination. Put an RNC inline
after it and things can sound very nice.

jason

Web: www.mudstonemusic.com
E-mail:



In article , GKB says...


I have a Great river MP2 that i've never thought as too bright
more so a smooth solid midrange , but mine has the lundahl
xl input transformer another nice option for those without
enough !

I don't have a 103 to respond to the original question .

regards Greg

Garthrr wrote:

In article ,
(Higgs) writes:

I will be getting a TLM103 soon and it will be my main vocal mic. At
the same time I will be getting a pre that will hopefully compliment
the 103 as much as possible.
Budget isn't really an issue here, but from what I have read the 103
can be a bit finicky about what pre is used.
The RNP has been described as an "aggressive"? pre, and Ty Ford has
said that the HHB Radius 40 tames the highs and lows of the 103?

I have called the RNP aggresive although I have never meant that to say that it
is edgy or harsh in any way. It does seem to move a sound forward in the mix
though and for vocals this is usually desirable.
I'm not nuts about the 103 as a vocal mic and I have never tried it with the
RNP on vocals but it might be a good combo. On the other hand, the Great River
with the 103 is just too bright for my taste. I love the Great River, use it
every day, but not usually for lead vocals as it just seems a bit too honest
most of the time. The RNP seems to smooth things out a bit.
Garth~

"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

The Phoenix Audio DRS-2 preamp made my TLM 103 actually useable for the first
time. It's an absolutely wonderful combination, and the preamp is something
that will be flattering in your chain nine times out of ten. I think the
single channel version is a little over a grand--I got mine from Fletcher and
couldn't be happier.

-R

I would like to add just two more pre's to see if anybody has used
them with the TLM103. The Grace 101 and the John Hardy M-1.

Dude, that Hardy is a bad mamma-jamma. Smokes on vox. Smokes on
anything percussion related. Smokes on Rock guitar. It's kinda like
an API, but with a little more gel and less hair spray. It would be a
nice addition to your gear pile, cause it has that versatility thing.
Have used it with 103 and with 87, and works just dandy on vox. It
has some nice midrange-action goin on, smooth but strong.

Unfortunately I have not tried the other pre's mentioned.

However, I do have another all-in-one type box, and it seems that most
come up a little lacking in one or more of the components' quality.
The good gear is all made of separate modules because they need all
the space for the "magic" stuff.

Good luck picking one out. I've been trying to decide on what I want
forever.

Too much gear, too little money.


Kale Holmes

In Article ,
(Higgs) wrote:
Thanks to everybody that has responded.

That review (
http://www.audiomedia.com/archive/re...s-0799-hhb.htm
) has me wondering if the HHB Radius 40 might be a bit much for the
country vocals that I mentioned. I also wonder if the RNP might be
over the top with the female pop vocalist when combined with the 103.

I would like to add just two more pre's to see if anybody has used
them with the TLM103. The Grace 101 and the John Hardy M-1.

Of all the pre's I have mentioned I am sure any of them will be
"keepers" that will serve me well in the future. I realize that the
vocalists that I mentioned are fairly disparate in nature and that
what will work on one has a good chance of not being all that great
for the other. If I had to prioritize between the two, the country
vocalist would win out for now.

Thanks again for the help,
Higgs

Well you could always get a Miilennia Media STT-1. It's a great preamp with
equally great EQ section.

The new GML pre/EQ/comp just got here yesterday.I haven't opened it yet, but
based on my experience with four channels of straight GML preamp, my guess
is that it would also do the job quite well.

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford