[Ty Ford]

Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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[Stephen Calder]

Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford



Sounds good whatever it is.

--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia

[drichard]

Hi,

Could you maybe give a hint or two?

Dean

On Aug 8, 6:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Mike Rivers]

On Aug 8, 7:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:

Can you tell me what they are?

A Studio Projects B1 mic and Gordon preamp?

What do I win? Eight SM58s and a rack of API 321s?

[Briboy W]

On Aug 8, 7:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:

Can you tell me what they are?

Hmm, this must be a trick question. Given that the sample tracks
sound nice, you must have used something unexpected to demonstrate
that good results can be achieved via low end equip...Fisher-Price
microphone?

-Brian
http://www.youtube.com/BriboyW

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:37:03 -0400, Ty Ford
wrote:

Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Maybe ObiWan could, but your point is surely subtler.

Thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck
"It's just this little Chromium Switch.
You people are SO superstitious."

[drichard]

Hi Ty,

Well, I have no idea which mic and preamp combo that is. But the
recordings sound good.

Dean

On Aug 8, 6:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[[email protected]]

On Aug 8, 3:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

AEA R92 + AEA TRP?

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

[[email protected]]

On Aug 8, 4:26 pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:

Can you tell me what they are?

A Studio Projects B1 mic and Gordon preamp?

What do I win? Eight SM58s and a rack of API 321s?

And the man wins the Rock of Gibraltar and 10,000 gallons of genuine
Niagara Falls water.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

[Misifus]

Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU


Wild stab in the dark: either Neumann U-84 into a Great River, or....



wait for it....








A Behringer B-1 into a Behringer Mic200.

-Raf

--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert

blog: http://rafsrincon.blogspot.com/
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

[drichard]

What the heck. I can do a WAG. (Wild ass guess.) I will say an MCA-SP1
mic and a Great River preamp.

On Aug 8, 6:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Don Pearce]

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:37:03 -0400, Ty Ford
wrote:

Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

No. But the mic is directional - I'm guessing cardioid. The vocal
track was close-miked, as I could hear from the honky, nasal quality.
In fact I had to use my "10cm cardioid eq" setting to get it sounding
reasonable, so I think you were recording from no more than six
inches.

The guitar track had a much flatter sounding vocal at the beginning
but the guitar was a touch boomy - it needed the 30cm cardioid eq to
get that right.

Unfortunately even after a bit of conditioning to make them "right" to
my ears, I can't say whether they are good or bad, because I haven't
heard you or your guitar in person.

Close?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:10:58 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:37:03 -0400, Ty Ford
wrote:

Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

No. But the mic is directional - I'm guessing cardioid. The vocal
track was close-miked, as I could hear from the honky, nasal quality.
In fact I had to use my "10cm cardioid eq" setting to get it sounding
reasonable, so I think you were recording from no more than six
inches.

The guitar track had a much flatter sounding vocal at the beginning
but the guitar was a touch boomy - it needed the 30cm cardioid eq to
get that right.

Unfortunately even after a bit of conditioning to make them "right" to
my ears, I can't say whether they are good or bad, because I haven't
heard you or your guitar in person.

Close?

d

Hang on - I think I may be changing my mind about the pattern. The
vocal on the guitar track sounds an awful lot like it close to the
null of a figure-8 mic, maybe even slightly "round the back". Is it?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Bill Ruys]

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 8, 3:37 pm, Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

AEA R92 + AEA TRP?

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

I'm also leaning toward a ribbon mic, and I know that both the AEA R92 and
R84 are being promoted as a combo right now with the TRP preamp. I think
Bob might be right with the R92, but just to be different, I'll say the R84.

The only thing throwing me off is that something in the sound is saying
tube/transformers to me - probably my cotton ears.

Bill.



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[Bill Ruys]

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:10:58 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

Hang on - I think I may be changing my mind about the pattern. The
vocal on the guitar track sounds an awful lot like it close to the
null of a figure-8 mic, maybe even slightly "round the back". Is it?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Yeah, I hear lots of room at the end of the guitar track, but also lots of
low end, maybe suggesting proximity effect. That says figure-8 to me, and
the slightly dark tone of the mic has me thinking ribbon.

Bill.



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[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:38:20 -0400, Bill Ruys wrote
(in article ):

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:10:58 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

Hang on - I think I may be changing my mind about the pattern. The
vocal on the guitar track sounds an awful lot like it close to the
null of a figure-8 mic, maybe even slightly "round the back". Is it?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Yeah, I hear lots of room at the end of the guitar track, but also lots of
low end, maybe suggesting proximity effect. That says figure-8 to me, and
the slightly dark tone of the mic has me thinking ribbon.

Bill.





Bob S and Bill Ruys are getting very, very warm........


Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Bill Ruys]

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:38:20 -0400, Bill Ruys wrote
(in article ):

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:10:58 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

Hang on - I think I may be changing my mind about the pattern. The
vocal on the guitar track sounds an awful lot like it close to the
null of a figure-8 mic, maybe even slightly "round the back". Is it?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Yeah, I hear lots of room at the end of the guitar track, but also lots
of
low end, maybe suggesting proximity effect. That says figure-8 to me,
and
the slightly dark tone of the mic has me thinking ribbon.

Bill.





Bob S and Bill Ruys are getting very, very warm........


Regards,

Ty Ford

I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to get much closer, I just don't know
the specific gear well enough. Are we closer on the mic or the preamp? I
*think* I'm hearing some harmonics down low that make me think tube, but I
also know that AEA's TRP ribbon preamp is FET, probably transformerless, so
something doesn't quite add up for me.

Bill.



--
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[Bill Ruys]

Bob S and Bill Ruys are getting very, very warm........


Regards,

Ty Ford

I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to get much closer, I just don't know
the specific gear well enough. Are we closer on the mic or the preamp? I
*think* I'm hearing some harmonics down low that make me think tube, but I
also know that AEA's TRP ribbon preamp is FET, probably transformerless,
so something doesn't quite add up for me.

Bill.

OK, just one last guess, AEA TRP and AEA R44. I figure if it were the R88
pair, you would have made a stereo recording of the guitar, but it's mono.
So I'm thinking maybe I'm hearing the transformer in the R44. Otherwise, I
give up.

Bill.



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[Scott Dorsey]

Bill Ruys wrote:

I'm also leaning toward a ribbon mic, and I know that both the AEA R92 and
R84 are being promoted as a combo right now with the TRP preamp. I think
Bob might be right with the R92, but just to be different, I'll say the R84.

I could go along with that. The nasal sort of thing also would match up
with the R84.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Roy W. Rising[_2_]]

Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

After reading others' input, I guess I'm lucky to be unable to download the
files.

Sheesh! What matter does it make? A mic is a mic and a preamplifier is a
preamplifier. We use the tools to develop a product. If it sells and we
all get rich, who cares about the hardware?

--
~
~ Roy
"If you notice the sound, it's wrong!"

[jtougas[_3_]]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:55:33 -0400, Ty Ford
trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write:

Yeah, I hear lots of room at the end of the guitar track, but also lots of
low end, maybe suggesting proximity effect. That says figure-8 to me, and
the slightly dark tone of the mic has me thinking ribbon.


Bob S and Bill Ruys are getting very, very warm........

Hmm... all things considered, I'm going to run with an inexpensive
ribbon mic, maybe one of those Cascade Fat Heads, and an RNP...
--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

[DC]

Roy W. Rising wrote:

After reading others' input, I guess I'm lucky to be unable to download the
files.

Sheesh! What matter does it make? A mic is a mic and a preamplifier is a
preamplifier. We use the tools to develop a product. If it sells and we
all get rich, who cares about the hardware?


If Ty was some troll, I could see your reaction, but why do it?

And why can't you download the files?

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:37:03 -0400, Ty Ford wrote
(in article ):

Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU


The answer awaits......

I recorded a tune (vocal and guitar in one pass with the mic and preamp) did
a bit of processing and cranked it out as a high bit rate stereo mp3.

I slated the gear at the beginning of the track.

Thanks for the input. I was actually pretty surprised I could get this kind
of sound from this sort of rig.

Regards,

Ty

PS; Hey Roy, are you still using DOS?

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
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[Bill Ruys]

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
news

The answer awaits......

I recorded a tune (vocal and guitar in one pass with the mic and preamp)
did
a bit of processing and cranked it out as a high bit rate stereo mp3.

I slated the gear at the beginning of the track.

Thanks for the input. I was actually pretty surprised I could get this
kind
of sound from this sort of rig.

Regards,

Ty



Which Crowley & Tripp mic, the Naked Eye? I knew it was a ribbon, but you
had me stumped on which one, or which pre-amp.

Bill.



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[Don Pearce]

On 09 Aug 2007 17:21:10 GMT, Roy W. Rising
wrote:

Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

After reading others' input, I guess I'm lucky to be unable to download the
files.

Sheesh! What matter does it make? A mic is a mic and a preamplifier is a
preamplifier. We use the tools to develop a product. If it sells and we
all get rich, who cares about the hardware?

Well, Mr. Crosspatch needs a coffee break, doesn't he!

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[The World Wide Wade]

sounds overly boomy here.

[Mike Rivers]

jtougas wrote:

Hmm... all things considered, I'm going to run with an inexpensive
ribbon mic, maybe one of those Cascade Fat Heads, and an RNP...

Is one of the things considered that if it wasn't either a very
expensive or very inexpensive mic, it wouldn't be "interesting?" The
RNMP has never really been recognized as a good preamp for ribbon mics,
mostly it makes SM57s sound better than they should. At the time that
preamp was designed, most "cheap" condenser mics were still in the $500
range, so that wasn't really its target application.

I'm not guessing. I don't even claim to be able to recognize an SM57
into a Mackie mixer with any reliability.

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:52:27 GMT, Mike Rivers
wrote:

jtougas wrote:

Hmm... all things considered, I'm going to run with an inexpensive
ribbon mic, maybe one of those Cascade Fat Heads, and an RNP...

Is one of the things considered that if it wasn't either a very
expensive or very inexpensive mic, it wouldn't be "interesting?" The
RNMP has never really been recognized as a good preamp for ribbon mics,
mostly it makes SM57s sound better than they should. At the time that
preamp was designed, most "cheap" condenser mics were still in the $500
range, so that wasn't really its target application.

I'm not guessing. I don't even claim to be able to recognize an SM57
into a Mackie mixer with any reliability.

I would go further. If this is a ribbon, and I strongly suspect it is,
then the preamp is definitely not an RNP. The noise would certainly be
audible.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:21:10 -0400, Roy W. Rising wrote
(in article ):

Ty Ford wrote:
Someone shipped me a mic and preamp to play with. I think they play well
together.

I have uploaded two files to my online archive and put them in a folder
called Mystery Mic and Preamp. These are raw wav files, no EQ or nothin'.

Can you tell me what they are?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

After reading others' input, I guess I'm lucky to be unable to download the
files.

Sheesh! What matter does it make? A mic is a mic and a preamplifier is a
preamplifier. We use the tools to develop a product. If it sells and we
all get rich, who cares about the hardware?



Roy,

I took a cheap shot at you yesterday and I apologize for that. What happens
when you try to download?

Regards,

Ty Ford


--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:49:57 -0400, Bill Ruys wrote
(in article ):

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
news

The answer awaits......

I recorded a tune (vocal and guitar in one pass with the mic and preamp)
did
a bit of processing and cranked it out as a high bit rate stereo mp3.

I slated the gear at the beginning of the track.

Thanks for the input. I was actually pretty surprised I could get this
kind
of sound from this sort of rig.

Regards,

Ty



Which Crowley & Tripp mic, the Naked Eye? I knew it was a ribbon, but you
had me stumped on which one, or which pre-amp.

Bill.





Hello Bill,

Yes. The Naked Eye, with the darker front side. They did that thing that
Royer did by having one side brighter than the other. I did flip it once
before recording and didn't hear a major difference. I'm going to listen for
that more closely.

The Pre was the TRUE P-SOLO Ribbon preamp. TRUE used to be distributed by
Sennheiser.

A little EQ and comp/limiting creates a nice edge that allows the mic to
sound a little brighter. You can hear the difference between the un-messed
with guitar and voice tracks and the stereo mix.

I thought the match between mic and preamp were very nice. Even my RCA 77DX
perked up. It sounded a bit boxy, but you can tweek the pattern to adjust
the EQ in addition to the music and voice settings. I didn't do a lot of
tweeking on the RCA yet.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Scott Dorsey]

Ty Ford wrote:

Yes. The Naked Eye, with the darker front side. They did that thing that
Royer did by having one side brighter than the other. I did flip it once
before recording and didn't hear a major difference. I'm going to listen for
that more closely.

Wes Dooley does this with the R84 also. I think it degrades the null at
high frequencies a little bit, but it seems to be popular with other users.

The Pre was the TRUE P-SOLO Ribbon preamp. TRUE used to be distributed by
Sennheiser.

Is this a super-high-input impedance preap like the AEA?

A little EQ and comp/limiting creates a nice edge that allows the mic to
sound a little brighter. You can hear the difference between the un-messed
with guitar and voice tracks and the stereo mix.

I haven't tried the Naked Eye, but I tried the Studio Vocalist and it was
a little less honky in the upper mids but very crisp on top. I don't know
how they are making their ribbons but they are much lower mass than the
old RCAs.

I thought the match between mic and preamp were very nice. Even my RCA 77DX
perked up. It sounded a bit boxy, but you can tweek the pattern to adjust
the EQ in addition to the music and voice settings. I didn't do a lot of
tweeking on the RCA yet.

I never found anything that sound better on anything but the figure-8 setting
on a 77DX, personally. I thought all the fancy pattern control was kind of
a waste. Maybe that's just me, though. And I'll say I was shocked at how
much the top end perked up on the 77DX with the high-impedance AEA preamp.
Maybe a little too much, in fact, for the things I tend to use the 77DX on.

I bet a nickel the 77DX improves with a modern ribbon transformer, too.
I have put the Lundahl transformers into BK-11 mikes and the improvement
in detail was considerable. I don't know who makes the transformers for
Crowley and Tripp and they won't tell me, but they are pretty impressive.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:57:59 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article ):

Ty Ford wrote:

Yes. The Naked Eye, with the darker front side. They did that thing that
Royer did by having one side brighter than the other. I did flip it once
before recording and didn't hear a major difference. I'm going to listen
for
that more closely.

Wes Dooley does this with the R84 also. I think it degrades the null at
high frequencies a little bit, but it seems to be popular with other users.

The Pre was the TRUE P-SOLO Ribbon preamp. TRUE used to be distributed by
Sennheiser.

Is this a super-high-input impedance preap like the AEA?

Hello Scott,

The specs say 10 K Ohm for input impedance, so no.

A little EQ and comp/limiting creates a nice edge that allows the mic to
sound a little brighter. You can hear the difference between the un-messed
with guitar and voice tracks and the stereo mix.

I haven't tried the Naked Eye, but I tried the Studio Vocalist and it was
a little less honky in the upper mids but very crisp on top. I don't know
how they are making their ribbons but they are much lower mass than the
old RCAs.

Yes and when I recorded using the back side of the ribbon today, there was
even more HF. I'm putting up that version to the same folder today just for
comparison.


I thought the match between mic and preamp were very nice. Even my RCA 77DX
perked up. It sounded a bit boxy, but you can tweek the pattern to adjust
the EQ in addition to the music and voice settings. I didn't do a lot of
tweeking on the RCA yet.

I never found anything that sound better on anything but the figure-8 setting
on a 77DX, personally. I thought all the fancy pattern control was kind of
a waste. Maybe that's just me, though. And I'll say I was shocked at how
much the top end perked up on the 77DX with the high-impedance AEA preamp.
Maybe a little too much, in fact, for the things I tend to use the 77DX on.

Hmm, interesting. My 77DX can sound a bit mechanical as I spin the "pattern"
wheel to get a more favorable EQ.


I bet a nickel the 77DX improves with a modern ribbon transformer, too.
I have put the Lundahl transformers into BK-11 mikes and the improvement
in detail was considerable. I don't know who makes the transformers for
Crowley and Tripp and they won't tell me, but they are pretty impressive.
--scott


I am now reconsidering a lot of my thoughts about ribbon mics based on this
experience.

Regards,

Ty Ford




--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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[Mike Rivers]

Ty Ford wrote:

The specs say 10 K Ohm for input impedance, so no.

Acutally, so yes. Super high impedance would be the Gordon, which is a
couple of megohms. The AEA is, I think, 18K, so it's in the same
ballpark as the True.

Yes and when I recorded using the back side of the ribbon today, there was
even more HF. I'm putting up that version to the same folder today just for
comparison.

When I had the CAD Trion ribbon in for review, I tried both sides to see
if they did the "Royer trick." I noticed that the front side sounded a
little brighter than the back side, but then when I inverted the
polarity of the back side recording, it sounded close enough to the
front side so that I couldn't say that it was different front to back. I
would expect that every ribbon mic does this. Maybe nobody ever noticed.
Try it on the C-T mic.

[hank alrich]

Ty Ford wrote:

Roy,

I took a cheap shot at you yesterday and I apologize for that.

Roy has some class, Ty, and he'd appreciate more expensive shots if
you're going to go there.

HTH

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Scott Dorsey]

Ty Ford wrote:
Is this a super-high-input impedance preap like the AEA?

The specs say 10 K Ohm for input impedance, so no.

I'd call that super high. Remember, these are mikes that were originally
intended to be operating into transformer inputs.

Yes and when I recorded using the back side of the ribbon today, there was
even more HF. I'm putting up that version to the same folder today just for
comparison.

Even more HF could easily become way too much HF.

I am now reconsidering a lot of my thoughts about ribbon mics based on this
experience.

You should try the AEA ribbon mike pre. I suspect you'll find that it
sounds pretty much the same way, since it also has a very high-Z input.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:19:59 -0400, hank alrich wrote
(in article ):

Ty Ford wrote:

Roy,

I took a cheap shot at you yesterday and I apologize for that.

Roy has some class, Ty, and he'd appreciate more expensive shots if
you're going to go there.

HTH



WelI do have an opened bottle of Van Gough Clocolate Vodka,,,,,,


Ty

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[Don Pearce]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:44:45 -0400, Ty Ford
wrote:

WelI do have an opened bottle of Van Gough Clocolate Vodka,,,,,,


You must try to post BEFORE you finish the bottle, not after...;-)

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Ty Ford]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:20:27 -0400, Don Pearce wrote
(in article ):

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:44:45 -0400, Ty Ford
wrote:

WelI do have an opened bottle of Van Gough Clocolate Vodka,,,,,,


You must try to post BEFORE you finish the bottle, not after...;-)

d



Thanks Don. You have given me much valuable information in the past, but
perhaps none as valuable as this. It explains a lot.

Regards,

Ty Ford


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