[elkhound]

How are these machines for dubbing stereo recordings to ?

any opinions welcome, thanks

[jailhouserock]

On Mar 19, 12:54 pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
"elkhound" wrote in message

ps.com... How are these machines for dubbing stereo recordings to ?

any opinions welcome, thanks

Terribly bad idea, seriously behind the times. Go digital.

Bob Morein
Dresher, PA
(215) 646-4894


digital is too harsh, and too lossy

if they made a SACD recorder, I would though

[jailhouserock]

On Mar 19, 10:44 pm, "Bret Ludwig" wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:27 pm, "jailhouserock"
wrote:

On Mar 19, 12:54 pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:

"elkhound" wrote in message

ups.com... How are these machines for dubbing stereo recordings to ?

any opinions welcome, thanks

Terribly bad idea, seriously behind the times. Go digital.

Bob Morein
Dresher, PA
(215) 646-4894

digital is too harsh, and too lossy

As compared to 3 3/4 ips tape? Yerfulla****. Yerfulla****
yerfulla**** yerfulla****.

Anjyaknowit.


You obviously haven't done any back to back testing yourself...

I've compared a brand new NOS 8-track cartridge, to a brand new CD-
back to back, using the tape/source switch on my integrated amp.

Both were Rolling Stones Get Your Ya-Ya's Out LP. Both had the same
playlist, in the same order.

Cued up to beginning on both, let them roll, listened with headphones,
switched back and forth.

At first, the CD is blatantly obvious, less background noise- but
after about 4 minutes something interesting happens.

There's a lot more ambience, air, even order harmonics, presence- in
the 8-track cartridge at 3.75 IPS.

3.75 IPS on a 4-track 1/4" machine- there is no f-ing comparison. My
Sony EL-7 Elcaset makes any of my CD"s sound like crap in comparison,
and the Elky has better specs to back it up. It's a 3.75 IPS format
as well, see it he

http://i17.tinypic.com/2hsb0ao.jpg

place your cursor on the spec sheet, and a box at lower right will
appear- click on that box, to maximize and read the specs- we're
talking a 3.75 IPS machine he

15 HZ TO 27,000 HZ with Type II tapes (FeCr) (NAB)

15 HZ TO 25,000 HZ with Type I tapes (standard FeO2) (NAB)

I don't know how they did it, but they DID it- this deck sounds as
good as/better than a reel to reel at 7.5 IPS- and the Elcaset does
it
with 3.75 IPS. It MUST be the FeCr tapes- and some really high-end
circuits inside the unit.

Specs at +/- 3 dB rating are somewhat less, but still quite
impressive
for 1/4" 4-track analog tape at 3.75 IPS, again NAB:

25 HZ TO 22,000 HZ TYPE II (FeCr)
25 HZ TO 20,000 HZ TYPE I (standard FeO2)

The Elky accomplishes with standard tape, what a compact cassette gets
with metal tape at 1-7/8"


Recording/playback with analog tape isn't rocket science- there's
nothing complicated about it- make the tracks wide as possible, and
move it as fast as possible- to get maximum fidelity. The problem
with the compact cassette Philips format is this- it was never
maximized/hot rodded to its full potential in the first place. It
would be a much better performer at 3.75 IPS, with proper EQ and
biasing.

"digital is better" is an IQ test, if you believe it, you flunked.
The master studio techs listen to CD in public, then go home and play
vinyl and analog tape.


Basically CD quality or better, from 1/4" tape in a cartridge, at
only
3.75 IPS. With the FeCr tapes, a better top end than a CD- from a
home-made cartridge tape format. UNREAL !

[jailhouserock]

On Mar 20, 10:11 am, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
"jailhouserock" wrote in message

oups.com...



On Mar 19, 10:44 pm, "Bret Ludwig" wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:27 pm, "jailhouserock"
wrote:

On Mar 19, 12:54 pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:

"elkhound" wrote in message

ups.com... How are
these machines for dubbing stereo recordings to ?

any opinions welcome, thanks

Terribly bad idea, seriously behind the times. Go digital.

Bob Morein
Dresher, PA
(215) 646-4894

digital is too harsh, and too lossy

As compared to 3 3/4 ips tape? Yerfulla****. Yerfulla****
yerfulla**** yerfulla****.

Anjyaknowit.

You obviously haven't done any back to back testing yourself...

Sure have. It's crap.


what deck, tape, etc. ??